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It?s sick :drool:

The song Slither has NO chorus >:(

It?s ridiculous.  :crying:

That "part" of the song ("here comes the water...") wich everybody (including the band) considers to be the chorus is actually a bridge to a chorus that NEVER comes.  ???

It?s the BIGGEST shame that Izzy is not on this band.  :'(

It?s a shame Slash did have "higher aspirations" to this band and did NOT want to throw the things in the Van and go out and play (with Izzy & Duff singing).  :no:

Because these guys (Slash, Duff & Matt) are the best in what they do and they can?t even get a chorus in their fucking FIRST SINGLE.  :rant:

Ok, if Slither was a filler (and it was said the album does not have any). But no chorus on the fisrt SINGLE?  :drool:

And the weird thing is, if they (Matt, Duff, Slash) had never been in Guns n Roses, they would be like the best band around today.  : ok:

But since it?s pretty hard to avoid comparing both... One can not help saying that they need Izzy so bad that it?s shocking.  :o

One day Izzy and Dee Dee Ramone will be recognized among the greatest songwriters of modern rock n roll.  :D

Fuck, listen to 53rd and 3rd  :crying: and Sweet Caress :love: !

Bah, so what.  GNR's greatest song, "Estranged" doesn't have a proper chorus either.  It only has a couple repeated mini verses.

comparing Slither to Estranged???  Those two songs should never be mentioned in the same sentence... no matter how small.....I always thought Slither sucks too...Set Me Free isnt that good either... The cover of Pink Floyd's "Money" was good but that was a cover.... I want to hear a full bootleg before i give this band any credit for thier original songs.... I think the ones Izzy wrote will be the best ones.... Slash and Duff and Matt are not very good song writers...

What are you talking about no chorus? :rofl: If that isn't a chorus, I don't know what definition you're using.  From the sound of the reviews, this band is doing just fine.  I love Izzy, think hes a songwriting genius...wouldn't mind him in the band.  However, if he and duff were singing, VR wouldn't be taken nearly as seriously as they are now.

I dig Izzy as well but agree with leadbelly fully.  Weiland gets them into places they couldn't even sniff with Izzy or Duff fronting the band (IE KROQ and other Modern Rock heavyweights).

Back on topic...

Who gives a fuck?  The song is getting played all over the place, climbing the charts,, et al.

Bitching about structure is just looking for something to bitch about IMO.

Its a popular song and the way VR plays it live would be a good closer, almost as good as negative creep was last night

is there any bootlegs or pictures yet??

Pics can be found here..

http://www.artgumbo.com/BE/VR/contraband_era_live4.php

Wait..so youre telling me that the part of the song Ive liked all this time isnt actually the chorus, but the bridge?!  Well this changes everything.  Im devestated.  ::)

What are you talking about?  How is that "part" not the chorus?

Rock n roll... Thanks dude.... :beer:

NO, GOD, NO!!! My WORLD is falling apart!

Welcome to non-standard music, it's good too.

You really need to find a hobby.

Just because the word "Slither" isnt said, doesn't mean there isn't a chorus in the song.

Man, what a stupid topic. :confused:

Slither rocks.

He didn't "compare" Estranged to Slither. He just said that neither had choruses. You my friend are in the minority saying that Slitehr sucks but everyone is entitled to an opinion.  As for the songs Izzy wrote being the best ones..well they didn't make the album so they won't be the best ones......

I love Izzy and think he's a great guitarist, but all these people keep saying how the best VR songs would be the ones written by him, when I've yet to hear any Izzy solo songs that are on par with GN'R material he wrote.

And people keep forgetting, VR is NOT GN'R so why should they sound exactly like GN'R???

They sound like a kickass modern hard rock band with hints of classic elements from STP and GN'R and that suits me just fine. :beer:

slither is a bad ass motherfuckin song

it kills anything by audioslave

it is better than chinese democracy the song

this song is growing like fuck on me, i love it! and when i see the video im proud as fuck of these guys!

they fuckin rock, get off velvet revolver slither is the shit!

and this is comin from an axl nuttswinger from hell!

and i said that they should not be used in the same sentence.. coz one is a masterpiece and one is a piece of something else... nothing like having to post the same thing twice... :confused:

reeeeeely? start a Poll and see...

how do you know this???

kockstar i love your posts i think u are an awesome dude! and i agree with almost everything u usually post

but dude slither is awesome!

true its not on estranged scale but then again what is?

but u cant really compare VR to GNR cause its totally different

i didnt like slither the first few times i heard it, but now i really really love it

just like oh my god by gnr i hated it the first 20 times i heard it, now its one of my favs

i hated garden of eden for 12 years now its one of my favs

Slither has an awesome riff, nice vocals, great solo, great energy its kick ass!

the videos kinda shit, i dont understand it at all but they look cool playin!

Man...talk about hijacking a thread. ::)

Slither has no chorus?

So..

At least they got together, recorded a song and are playing it.

I bet they show up to all their dates too.

No chorus...

I'm just glad to have a song!

Shit man, c'mon!

If you don't like...Don't listen.

:drool:

thats why i dont enter the VR section to often....

Chinese Democracy doesn't really have a chorus either. You guys can talk all you want about radio airplay and format....it doesn't mean shit. We will see what the record sells...that is ALL that counts. The radio and radio formatting is what has KILLED rock and roll. Fuck KROQ and Clear Channel and all the record companies. Fans buy records. This album will open with less than 100,000 units sold..just a prediction.

I'll make a note of that lol

Bloody hell man whats the music fan world coming to !? lol Moan moan moan.  Are you going to start a boycott now?

Believe it or not there is no law into how to write a song.  It's not just verse - chorus - verse chorus - solo.

Moaning about the structure of the song is just dull.  If you can do better - and i am not dobting that you can - but well then go and do it  instead of moaning.

Actually I think it's: Intro, verse, verse, bridge, chorus, verse, bridge, chorus, solo, chous, chorus...

You think Izzy wrote the best songs cos they were the ones that were the most classic rock-inflected, more Guns N Roses.

Duff is capable of writing very solid material, as Beautiful Disease shows.

REM's 'Losing My Religion' had no chorus and it's main instrument was a mandolin, and it was the hit of the summer. No chorus=no issue.

Boycott!!! Boycott every album with at least one song with no chorus! lol

no coz Izzy is a better song writer... im talking about lyrics... Slash and Duff and Matt have nothing to say... they can write amzing guitar and solos and bass lines... Sweet child, WTTJ, Estranged,  the Bass intro to Its so easy...

but lyricly they fall short... Izzy does not....

Yeh lol  well somehow i wouldn't be suprised eh? lol  It's like now music fans have an outlet with the net.
Anything that we don't agree with; Boycott! lol  

God help the guy if there's an instrumental on there lol

Lyrically, they wrote nothing on the new album.

who did??

Mr. Scotty Weiland as he did with all STP songs

ok i stand corrected... maybe it will be a decent album then... not like the Snakeshit

I thought all the songs were written prior to finding a lead singer.. thats why i dreaded hearing any lyrics written by Slash or Duff or Matt...

STP had some good tunes....

Im pretty sure Slash didnt write lyrics for that either.

The band wrote the music for about half of the songs (from what I've read) prior to Scott joining and some new music after he joined, but Weiland wrote all of the lyrics.

I disagree about the rest of the band being bad lyricists though, Duff has huge talent in that area, just check out anything from Beautiful Disease.

All the songs had good lyrics from what I heard

Can you describe the songs in any more detail from what you remember, could you compare any of the riffs to any GN'R songs? What about Slash's solos?

I love what I've heard of Sucker Train Blues too, did it sound just as powerful when they played it live?

Did Illegal I sound as punky as Duff has described it?

Well I don't remember much about suckertrain blues outside of it being a great opener. It was more of a what are they playing, this sounds good thing.

Fall to pieces was the most gnr sounding song of them all. It has an epic solo. The november rain comparisons are dead on.

Big Machine has a catchy chorus that everyone can sing along to.

"Be The Ball"
( Slash )



/jarmo

I think the lyrics of Be The Ball are funny. The paralel between pinball and life...Amazing.   ;D Anyway, it's not bad at all, however not a GN'R lyrics.

Dizzy,
"Estranged" and "Coma" both don?t have chorus and they are both GREAT : ok:. The PROBLEM is that everyone in VR thinks that Slither has a chorus (the part "Here comes the water") but that part is so boring that is doesn?t deserve to be repeated as a chorus and it can not be considered a proper chorus. So it?s like chorus was non-existent on the song, and there could be one, believe me, right after that part!

Kockstar99,
The ones Izzy wrote will NOT be the best ones because they will NOT be on the album  :no: (Slash said that in a recent interview)

oldleadbelly,
When I say "no chorus" I mean the chorus is so WEAK that it doesn?t even look like one. And if the guys in the band had tried just a little bit harder ;D  they could CREATE a proper chorus right after that part they consider the chorus.

And when you say that "if Izzy and Duff were singing, VR wouldn't be taken nearly as seriously as they are now", really man, I think this should not be important - to be taken seriously. The important thing is to have great music. Izzy, Slash, Duff & Matt could record ten albums by themselves and tour EASILY wherever and whenever they wanted, and I am sure there would be lots of recording companies trying to hook up with them.

Falcon,
When you said "Weiland gets them into places they couldn't even sniff with Izzy or Duff fronting the band (IE KROQ and other Modern Rock heavyweights)", would it really bother you if they were NOT on KROQ and had Izzy & Duff singing?

Back on topic... I give a fuck.  I wish the songs was better (had a better structure) and I couldn?t care less if it WAS NOT getting played all over the place. Appetite had to be around for a year until it got airplay. And it gets airplay up till today, because it is great. I don?t think Slither will be playing on radio too much in the future...

Bitching about structure is bitching about what needs to be bitched about.

Booker Floyd,
I am telling you that the part of the song you've liked all this time is not actually A chorus, because it sucks so bad to be one, it sound more like a bridge, and there could/should be a GREAT chorus right after it.
 
PeterCoffin,
Slither is totally standard music: intro-verse-chorus-verse-chorus-solo-chorus.

tomass74,
I have a hobby already. Discuss GNR related stuff here, that is.

metallex78,
Try Sweet Caress to see how good Izzy solo is. Oh, there ain?t much solo stuff from him that is on par with GN'R material he wrote because it was Axl & Slash & Duff & Steven that made Izzy material MORE than special on GN'R.

SLCPUNK
I'm just glad to have a song too! But I can?t help think how Slash & Duff & Matt were stupid to throw away Izzy?s call. Because they can not even make a decent chorus on their first single.

madagas,
I agree that radio airplay and format don't mean shit. Good music means a lot. What I am pissed about is that this song has a totally standard comercial format intro-verse-chorus-verse-chorus-solo-chorus but the chorus is so bad that it doesn?t even look like a chorus!

mrfarr,
BELIEVE ME I know there is no law into how to write a song. BELIEVE ME I KNOW it's not just verse - chorus - verse chorus - solo. But Slither is just verse - chorus - verse - chorus - solo. The thing wich I am trying to say is that the chorus sucks.

Oh, just for the record, I, alone, can NOT do better. But if I was the producer of VR I?d push them to WAY better stuff, no doubt about that.

blues_rock_axeman,
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU THAT No chorus=no issue. The problem is that the band thinks that the part "Here comes the water" IS the chorus, since it?s repeated several times on the song.

Kockstar99,
songwriting is where they fall short and Izzy does not...
 
mrfarr,
I love instrumental songs. The Blues Jam on Pasadena 87 is a must-listen on all the instrumental jams GNR has played. The Indiana 91 instrumental jam is great too. Just as much as the extended-intro and extended-final of DTJ on 1991-93 gigs.

You make me laugh  ;D
When I heard Slither for the first time (El Rey version) I thought it's the best chorus in about 10 years, so don't tell me that it sucks  ;D

luciano,
OK, point taken.  I disagree, but at least i know what you meant by no chorus.  I was a little worried about your ability to define song structure there for a sec ;D.  It's completely understandable if you dont like it though.

Slither is a great song! I agree with alot of you in that it definately grows on you the more you listen to it.  I was the same way with some songs on the UYI albums.  IMO, SLither blows away any of the stuff we have heard from nuGNR.  But that is just my opinion.  I can't wait for Contraband to hit the stores. I have a feeling that we are in for a real treat finally.

VR simply rules!!

-TyRod-

I don't know if it would "bother" me if they weren't getting run on
modern rock radio, however, it pleases me that they are though.
And yes, it would bother me if Izzy or Duff were singing.  Nothing against Izzy, but I can always get the enjoyment of his vocals on his solo records.  As for Duff, my ears bleed at the mere thought of it.

As far as Slither having any staying power, who knows?  I never compared it to anything AFD anyway..


As for the "Bitching about structure is bitching about what needs to be bitched about" comment, didn't you just shoot yourself in the foot on that one in your response to Booker?  Your reasoning
it's not a chorus being "because it sucks so bad to be one"...

nope, they only wrote the instrumental parts before Scott joined, I don't think they wrote all of them before, but most of it I guess.
I doubt they wrote lyrics for the songs they jammed out with Izzy either. from what Ive heard, it just sounded like they played together, making instrumental parts. but who knows, Izzy might have lyrics ready for the songs now, after all, it might end up on his next solo album! :yes:

on topic, OH DEAR GOD...it doesn't have a chorus??? :nervous: DAMN! it can't possibly be any good then, even though I like it..is it me there's something wrong with?? :nervous:

Thank you for saving me the time and effort, Falcon.

"I am telling you that the part of the song you've liked all this time is not actually A chorus, because it sucks so bad to be one"

Haha, what the fuck?  :confused: