Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I think we should all boycott VRs new album for their latest stunt to fuck over axl.
Just when you think slash or duff cant get any lower they do.

I wont buy it... Ill steal it or download it... (only coz im curious and i want to be able to speak about it) not coz i like anything ive heard from them... i was going to buy it but now no... I swear to christ i wont buy this trash and help them to sue Axl Rose...  :no:

It's stupid. I won't boycott the Axl N' Roses album if it ever comes out, just because Axl stole the name. I will buy VR, because I'm interested in, as well in CD.

Yeah!  Im with ya guys!

 :beer:

I wasn't planning on buying it.  I'll put my $$ to better uses.  :peace:

Or you could just burn a copy from a friend that buys it, thats what I'm doing.  :beer:

That's the dumbest thing I've heard all day. Why don't I buy the music based on whether you like it or not, and you can boycott them as much as you wish.. I'm VR will care.  :'(

I don't know if I believe this whole story about Duff & Slash suing Axl, but even if it is true, it certainly won't change my mind in buying their album.

it's not a dumb idea at all. I will not buy music to fuel the disgrace and indignity of classless individuals.

what do you expect from David?

I will be first in line to buy it  :beer:. If I continue to wait until Axl releases something to buy a new album, I will be in a nursing home. At least this way I can hear Slash solo and help the album get to #1 and just keep the buzz going. There is nothing a little group of HTGTH boy-cotters can do to stop this run away freight train. : ok:

Why would I boycott this album?  I have no personal gain in the lawsuit or the sales of the VR album.  Slash and Duff have every right to sue Axl.  They worked just as hard to create that music as King Axl so why shouldn't they get their cut.  Realistically, it is probably just another way to get the VR name in the press to create more hype for their album.  If I had to guess, the case will get thrown out by the judge...

who ever has the nerves to boycott the album when they know they wanna hear it problably weren't planning on buying it to begin with. If thats the case then all Slash and Duff fans should boycott chinese democracy but no most are buying it because they know it will be good and are curious to hear it.  Dave you are no different then the Slash & Duff fans who say they are not buying an album from Axl if it doesn't have Slash and co on it.

You are such a stupid little immature twat. Can't you see that they are suing because Axl screwed THEM in the first place? He doesn't allow them commercial opportunities for songs THEY HELPED WRITE!

Everyone here knows that you love Axl beyond belief and would provide him with the best oral sex he's ever had in his life, not to mention have his children. It comes as no suprise to me... you were just waiting for a reason to say something like this, because you love Axl and hate the new band which is actually doing something.

Good, boycott it. I would be embarrased if I ever saw your waste-of-sperm, Axl-dick-sucking-groupie ass at a VR concert.


(NOTE: Axl is one of my favourite musicians, I have no hate for him. I just hate his sub 80 IQ groupies who would buy his sewage on Ebay with their life savings.)

Count to three before you even think of posting stupid shit like that.

Your IQ isn't exactly showing when you can't figure out a simple rule like "insults = not ok".  ::)



/jarmo

He was asking for it. You cannot look at this totally objectively. Observe his past trends in his blind Axl worship and his steadfast downplay of all old members. He came looking for a fight, and frankly I can't stand his childish nature. When you go to a board centered around Velvet Revolver and basically bash them without justification I think he should expect to be put in his place.

No he didn't. He said "boycott the album" and gave the reasons for it. He didn't insult you or any other VR fans.

Stop using the old "Axl worship" thing, it's old. Some of the ex-Gunner fans are the same way, whining about everything Axl does or doesn't do.



/jarmo

You made some good points but I will still buy the album 'cos I am interested in what VR have to offer.

And people can bash VR for suing Axl but if what they claim is true they have every right to sue him.

I like Axl but I still like the old guys and will not turn my back on them and boycott them 'cos they fell out with Axl.

true, true.

It's another sad moment... to see them argue over $$ like this, when all I (we?) really want is for them to be heal some old wounds.  

Damn!!  I was looking forward to the future and now I'm reminded of the bitterness of the past again! ugh.

Is your computer still working Dave or did your tears fo Axl damage the system. A boycott,just pathetic. Grow up. :rofl:

How are you gonna be first in line when I am already gonna be there?  I might even buy the 3 different covers... well maybe not.

I'll tell you what's pathetic, trying to act cool on the Internet by attacking another poster on a message board.

Especially when you know it's against the rules and it'll get your ass banned in no time.

Then it only gets more pathetic when you cry about nazi admins and how you were banned because you don't love Axl.

Now that's pathetic!  :hihi:




/jarmo

So we're boycotting a band that is fighting for  their creation, yet we continuallly support a band who constantly disappoints us and screws us over?

yep,thats the way its done around here,if its not Axl endorsed its abad bad thing and we are not allowed to mention it ,let alone buy it or listen to it. :peace: :peace:

Maybe its just me - but my decision to buy it will be based soley on whther its any good.....

Seems alot of you are going to buy it simply because Slash is in the band or not buy it simply because Axl isn't :P

Dave , Dave, Dave, do people stop , point and laugh at you in the streets?

You my friend need to sort your life out, boycott  VR`s record, how pathetic.

people like you are a minority dave, people like VR and most people dont like what axl has done with the GNR name and band.

So good luck to Slash and Duff!!!
Hope they sue some sense into him!

I agree to boycott...dave-gnfnr2k!
Boycott him.

Observation of the month, ladies and gentlemen!  :beer:

This is the truest, most honest to God comment that I've read so far today about all this bullshit.

Boycotting an album like this is just retarded, and won't accomplish anything.

I'm still going to buy VR's album because I've been waiting for it for the last 2 years, since Duff, Matt and Slash first announced their plans for a new band.

As for the lawsuit itself, I have no opinion. I'm in no place to give an opinion, since NONE of it has anything to do with me or 99.99% of all the people on all the GNR message boards. None of you boycotting "pioneers" are going to stop this lawsuit from going ahead, or change Slash/Duff's opinion of their entitlement to royalties. The fact is that they were there, they know what happened, and they have their reasons (other than the usual, narrow minded bullshit of "$lash is a publicity whore!!!"), and no one here can honestly say that they know what those reasons are.

It has fuck all to do with any of you. Go ahead, boycott VR's album, and then continue bitching about the lack of decent rock music in your delusional belief that a 42 year old Axl Rose will "rule rock n' rooll again!!"

I want a good rock album from VR, I like what I've heard so far, so I'm going to buy it, simple as that.

So very true.

I ordered my copies a couple of minutes ago. I think it's wrong to encourage people to a boycott. But i see what you mean. Can me a promotional trick.

Well, I for one will buy the album b/c I liked slither, I loved you got no right, and am excited to hear the rest.  I'd rather have chi dem in my hands, but to me its not a battle.  Its a band who went in two different directions and both have the opportunity to be very successful.  Granted, the split was not a generally happy one as far as we can tell, but nonetheless, the split was their decision, not ours.  

As far as the lawsuit goes, I'm surprised they did not do this sooner.  Maybe they were waiting until they needed some pr, maybe not, but if I put years into a band and got pushed out b/c axl was in an egotrip at the time, I'd want my possible royalties too.  They do deserve it, they are 2/5 of the band, which is more than axl's 1/5.  You gonna tell me that since the beatles split, if paul mccartney at the time took all the rights, that the rest of the band deserved nothing?  Gimme a break.

I want the best for both bands.  It has been said before, all axl has to do is release something.  I'm personally getting sick of his head games and excuses.  Yeah, I want the album to be perfect, but at the very minimum, six years is way too long for one album.  I know he wants to release several over a short time supposedly, but he is missing his chance.  Most critics have already written him off, and his band is continuing to morph.  If he could get past the demons in his head and the legal stuff, he could have something out.  Listening to VR do their interviews lately and reading their magazine articles, it is obvious that these guys are doing it b/c they love it.  Slash, Duff and Matt missed the connection they had from gnr, and needed a few more guys to fulfill the voids.  Too bad axl couldn't be there, but its not the right time.

Axl will release cd someday, and I will be first in line to buy it, just as I will be for VR.  I support both bands, and hope someday, before they hit 60, they can perform a few shows.  As someone said, Simon and Garfunkel reunited, and that was chalked up to a lost cause 25 years ago.

We can always hope...  :beer:

Mike

I think we should send you to live with Axl, his pseudo wife/mother Beta, and his pet reptiles in that big white mansion in Latigo where the the nearest convenice store is a 15 minute drive down the hill. ;D

I was always somewhat concerned of your blind loyalties to Axl. I know we once shared the same level of loyalty only 5 years ago. Since then, I've reduced my loyalties of Axl to focus on his music, lyrics and past performances (with the old GNR), while you insist on not only gassing yourself of the nuGNR, but joining Axl in your rhetoric against the old members, without whom you would have never heard GNR in the first place.

I am shocked to come to the VR boards and to see this shit plastered on here. :rant: :rant: :rant:
I thought that for the Axl fans it was all about the music. Now I see that its about personal antagonisms that have fermented after years of inactivity by the nuGNR and the sudden transformation of VR into radio and video staples as well as late night musical performers and guests on Letterman & Kimmel.
Sure "Slither" doesn't have the lyrical deepness of GNR - but it has an attitude and energy to it that has been lacking in many areas of Rock music for a while now. The video also kicks crazy amounts of ASS  :smoking:

VR also has grown up Rock Stars who have overcome addictions to all sorts of shit and who have nearly died on several occasions and who have come so far to putting their lives back together to such an extent that they now have a record poised at multi-platinum status and the restoration of the credibility of one of the greatest rock bands of all time. But you guys can't respect that. You only respect a frontman who can't get his life together. It makes me wonder if you and the Axl lovers have lives on your own.

Its people like you who are actually Axl's worse enemies. Duff said it right when explaining how all of Axl's "yes-men" screwed with his mind and stunted his productivity by being extra-flexible with him. Axl himself has told each of you how to live your lives and not worry about the new GNR until the time comes (or doesn't come).

Of all my years visiting this website, this is the lowest, dirtiest, scumbagged, desperate, retarded evil thing I have ever seen!!!
Im going out to have a fun time this summer in Israel with hot chicks, hookas, great food and parties with VR blasting in the background, mixed in with AFD and UYI.
In the meantime, you and the Axlovers can continue playing chess and debating among yourselves what the meaning of the various dubbed voices in "Madagascar" are. :rofl:

I don't give a fuck.
Velvet Revolver RULES! :smoking:
Mark N' Revolverz

I will probably not buy Contraband, not because I want to boycott VR but simply because I was not impressed by the music I heard so far. I think "Slither" and "Set Me Free" are not that good (especially SMF which, in my opinion, is pretty bad). Plus, I'm not a big fan of Weiland's voice so unless I am very impressed with the other tracks, I don't think I'll get it.

I'm not boycotting shit. In fact I'll buy two, one for me and one for my niece and nephew.

You don't know shit about what's gonig on. Neither does anybody on here. Nobody knows the little details that make up the whole story.



Poor Axl getting picked on.   ::)

I'll be the first to buy CB when it comes out!!! :beer:

What a great point. Thanks for posting that.

To the warriors of this noble cause...what if what Duff and Slash alledge is actually true?  That Axl, in numerous instances, ignored even consulting them for input on opportunities to use their creations in movies?

One thing Ive seen on here is praise for Axls integrity; that hes protecting the songs from being commercialized, etc.  Have we forgotten that GNR have been featured in plenty of movies since the beginning, and that continues to recent times, with Axl attempting (and in the case of Big Daddy, half-succeeding) to feature the new band playing old material for movie inclusion?  Personally, Im no fan of licensing music to lots of stuff, but thats irrelevant - its still the creators call, which includes Axl.  And the extent of that will be determined in court.

Oh come off it you goddamned hypocrite.  Don't even insinuate that Slash and Duff are the ones stooping and fucking Axl over.

Axl attempting to use shitty re-recorded versions in movies so that the original GNR members don't receive royalties is lower than low.  Even I didn't expect Asshole Rose to stoop this low.  Not only was that shitty version of "Sweet Child O Mine" in Big Daddy a slap in the ex members' faces, it was a slap in the fans' faces as well.

And now you're calling Slash and Duff low because they want to stop Axl from continuing to ruin their music and fuck them out of royalties?   ::)

Axl is the lowdown, egotistical bastard fucking them over, and it's blatantly obvious.  He doesn't give a fuck about anybody but himself, he'll stoop to any level to hog Guns N Roses, its music, and its legacy all to himself.

How about this Dave, I think I'll buy ten fucking copies of VR's album just on principle.

im not boycotting this, the case will be thrown out

the way most stuff works is every person involved in the project has to agree, it takes a unanimous vote, so if axl says no he can kill any deal so can slash and duff

only movie was big daddy that i can recall that had gnr material in it, im sure all agreed, a good compromise, some old scom and then the new!

I see this underground movement to boycott Contraband being as successfull as the GH boycott. Even if all 3300 members of HTGTH boycott this album it will still be a top three album. I'd say boycott Chinese Democracy when it comes out, but it would have to come out for me to do that.
Why is OK for Axl to constantly sully the name Guns N' Roses by never releasing CD and cancelling tour dates (that support an album that doesn't exist), but it is unthinkable for Former Members to use the name they built to further their careers.........and to expect to earn money for their writing credits, which are being guarded like treasure by a dragon (who refuses to use it, except to warm-up his psuedo GnR lineup)

Cant Hardly Wait was another.

Im not so sure all agreed.  I could be completely wrong, I probably am, but I would venture to guess that the reason for the morph (not to mention its inclusion deep in the credits and not in the soundtrack) is so that the old members get their royalties while Axl showcases the new band.  It might be perfectly legal, but Im not so sure the old band agreed to it, because in a situation like that  they probably dont have a say, since its only in the credits.  If anybody knows more about the situation, feel free to set me straight, because Im just guessing.

Not impressed with the tunes.

Not a fan of the singer.

Now those are good reasons not to buy a record.

Boycott?  Too bitter smelling for my blood...

I am immature when you are the one calling me names that is a good one.

Btw you really need t o get  your facts straight.
First off, slash was the one who nixed the idea of WTTJ being on the black hawk dawn sound track, so what do  you think of that?

Also, did you read those movies they want gnr songs in? They were trash, why should axl sell out, yes we all know slash likes to sell out but axl wont sell out to the highest bidder.
Gnr are not a corp rock band like aerosmith and bon jovi are, both who sell a lot of their songs to movies. You really want gnr to be viewed as that?

Do you really want to hear gnr songs as stupid gingles for car comericals or cerial comericals? I sure dont. Gnr were NEVER about that, so why start now?

Also if im not mistaken, doesnt axl also have a right to say no to having a song in a movie? You know that axl wrote 42% of AFD right?
That is more than any other member, so Id say axl has more right than any other band member to say what song can or cannnot be used in a movie.

Also why is it ok for slash to say no to having a gnr song in a movie but its not ok for axl to?
You didnt see axl try and sue slash when slash said no to having wttj in BHD but now of coarse we see slash and duff suing axl over a band they quit so long ago.

They are a joke.

BTW other people need to get their facts straight too.
The old guys still get roytalies for afd, lies, uyi, tsi, and live era as they do with GHs so I really dont see the problem.
The only album they wont get any thing from is chinese democracy.

BTW some of you crack me up.  I make a post about boycotting this album and most of you act like a bunch of 12 year olds and throw a hissy fit. LOL how mature.
 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Where did slash say that he didn't want the "original" Welcome to the Jungle on blackhawk down. If you beileve the rumors, it was nixed because Axl wanted to rerecord the track with the new band.

Second, don't start me on GNR not selling out to movies, they have music on some soundtracks.

End of Days
Days of Thunder
IWTV
along with a few others.

When a song is on a soundtrack, it sells copies. Each copy sold is a small precentage to the band that played on it. If Axl nixed 4 movies, thats a decent chunk that duff and slash don't get.

Axl Rose owns the name Guns N Roses, but he doesn't own all the music.

Please correct me if Im wrong with quotes/evidence proving otherwise, but it appears (from the few articles on this so far, as well as older quotes from music supervisors on BHD) that Axl wanted to include a re-recorded version of "WTTJ".  Anybody can understand the old band objecting to that.


1) Thats not even the issue, the issue is the members rights to consider their licensing.

2) Thats your opinion


You conveniently forget that Guns N' Roses music has been licensed to:

Jim Rome  Welcome to the Jungle (1998) Performer  
Original Soundtrack  Lean on Me (1989) Performer  
Original Soundtrack  Days of Thunder (1991) Performer  
Original Soundtrack  Interview with the Vampire (1995) Producer, Performer  
Original Soundtrack  Grosse Pointe Blank (1997) Producer, Performer  
Original Soundtrack  Can't Hardly Wait (1998) Performer  
Original Soundtrack  End of Days (1999) Performer  
Original Soundtrack  End of Days [Clean] (1999) Performer  
Various Artists  Nobody's Child: Romanian Angel... (1990) Performer  
Various Artists  Vid Grid (1994) Performer  
Various Artists  Rocks Off (1995) Performer  
Various Artists  Kuschelrock, Vol. 9 (1995) Performer  
Various Artists  Soft Rock: 36 Classic Rock Ballads (1996) Performer  
Various Artists  Best Rock Anthems In The World..... (1996) Performer  
Various Artists  Rocktober (1998) Performer  
Various Artists  Kuschelrock, Vol. 8 (1999) Performer  
Various Artists  Decline of Western Civilization,...  

...as well as Big Daddy.  And lets not forget the Terminator 2 commercial that was "You Could Be Mine".  So I guess its okay for Axl to "whore" out his music to 8 or 9 movies, but not 12 or 13 -  ???  And its especially okay if he re-records the songs to, right?


Where did you see anything about car/cereal commercials?  The discussion as far as I know, is movies - which as I just proved, is nothing new to GNR.


Thats what will be decided.  It seems that hes saying no without even consulting anybody else.


Regardless of whether they quit the band, Guns N' Roses and the music they made will be a part of the ex-Gunners (in a business sense) lives forever.  So they can easily "move on" while maintaing their rights to past music, and the notion that they arent moving on because of this lawsuit is preposterous.  Theyre moving on by creating new music with a new band, doing tours and promotion, etc.,  but that doesnt mean they should throw away their rights to the music they made.

Gee, I don't see why people can't see the wisdom behind Dave's idea.  I mean, when your favourite band hasn't released an album in over 10 years, the sole remaining original band member is now a dictator launching comeback attempts that his own inability to function help sink, and now a few of the original members are forming a band with a dynamic young frontman that's about to tour and actually release an album of kickass rock...well, why wouldn't you want to boycott the album?  Makes perfect sense to me. ::)

I, like most of the posters here, am buying the Velvet Revolver album.  Because I like to hear new music.  Because even though I greatly admire Axl (at least, the old Axl), I'm not blindly loyal to him.  Because Slash is, along with Tom Morello, one of the best guitar players in the world right now.  Because Scott Weiland looks and sings like a lean, drug-fuelled rock god.  Because Duff McKagan fuels their songs with a punk spirit.  Because Matt Sorum is a drumming demon.  Because Dave Kushner is an undiscovered guitar talent.  Because Velvet Revolver are a band with a firm future, an album they're not afraid to release, an aggressive rock 'n' roll sound, and in short, the balls to do what Axl still can't: present their music to loyal GN'R fans.

Yet, you're the one who acts like a 5 year old blinded by their idol worship. How lame can you be to try an organize a boycott because your idol is being called out for all the shit he has done. It's time to take off the blinders and take a look at the big picture around you.

I was a few seconds into an ass ripping editorial about you when I realized two things:

I was spending more than 5 minutes on you, and that Jizzo, Booker, and Mattman just utterly demolished your argument.

instead of boycotting contraband,(unless you really feel the music sux), why dont we just boycott the originator of this topic. This person will then realise what it is like to be ignored for no real reason other than us deciding they are not worth dealing with. I may sound pathetic suggesting it, but perhaps then the original poster will realise the stupidity of this post.
Im fully prepared to take any abuse, if its felt i deserve it, but velvet revolver should be allowed to gain fans through their own merit as guns had to do.

I wish velvet revolver all the best(im not sure if im a fan yet or not, time will tell) and also axl the best with guns new album.

I will not have some fuck tell me what to listen to.

That was beautiful, Mark. There is no possible rebuttal to that that could possibly make any sense(not that they won't try).

Also, what Mark said about this place turning dirtier & scummier than it's ever been is right on the mark too. One only has to look at this thread & the one on the GnN forum where all those Axl people are having heart attacks  to see how pathetically out of touch with reality some people are, & how it, it seems, these people were looking for SOMETHING, ANYTHING, ANYTHING AT ALL, ANY REASON AT ALL to denigrade the old members, yet again, and to, yes, YET AGAIN, defend good ole Axl from those mean old former members.

Good idea Dave, let's boycott the band that puts out albums!   ::)

hold it there dave! bon jovi had bad medicine in jay and silent bob strike back
i cant think of to many movies that featured bon jovi songs

young guns 2 was jon's solo project so dont even go there

dont include bon jovi in your arguments tryin to justify a boycott!

I'm with you!!! Just kidding. Get fucked...   up of course!!!  ;D But seriously, I'd like to say I think your idea sucks.

I will be buying the album, slash and duff and the rest always were cut out of profits and it's about time they put their foot down

EXACTLY!!
these guys were the real guns behind GNR and now u ppl hate them just because they want to sue axl
what about axl keeping the name all to himself....i mean we know that axl is great but he's not that great
and VR seems to be The band, these guys wanna play just for the sake of playing....these guys extrude energy and they look like they are gonna have a kickass album :smoking:
if anything we should boycott chinese democracy...i mean its about time that fucker was released ::)

hehehe, I hope you march in the streets with banners on June 8th as well! help create some free publicity, it never hurts :hihi:
I wasn't sure about it before, but yes, I think I'll buy a copy with each colours cover now! you inspired me...thanks dave : ok:

Buu-huu what a shame for little axl-baxl.
Give me a break man, its buisness and their in their good right. It seems like some people thinks that Axl it some sort of a Messiah and everything he does is soooo wonderfull and perfect and he`s just a little innocent boy whom everyone should do all the can to keep happy by whatever means. Whatever Axl does it`s not his fault , NOOO it`s always someoneelses fault.
Axl is far from an angel - his a fantastic musician but thats it. To boycot CB just because they don`t agree with Axls decision it just stupid and not exactly objectiv.

 By the way Axl suid Slash and Duff back in 2000.

You're as bad as the twats who say the same shit about Chinese Democracy in the Guns N Roses section.  Go away little boy and stop bothering us.

super idea dave, one of ur best. good to see ur still continuing from the old days at the GNRforum when it was :

buckethead kills slash
Axl now is better than the old days
silkworms n rhiad are the best rock songs in the world
maddy beats any UYI material
i owe axl so much it's my duty
velvet revolver are average
slither is average

dont know bout anyone else, but that list may be a littttttttttle bit biased ::)

Good luck with the boycott, maybe if u burn down all music stores worldwide, burn down RCA and then you may ruin all chances that the album may sell. Start ur own anti-velvet street team. or run for president and make velvet revolver a serious crime with the penalty being death.
Maybe if u had been in slash's shoes, seen what had happened and then seen some whining child (no offence to children) going on about boycotting ur music, u could really see that this argument is....how can i put it.....

































SHIT!!

Fish

 :hihi: What's a  :rofl: gingle??  ;D [geen-gull]

Do you mean jingle??  :yes:

Sorry dave.......just couldn't resist  ;)


So, boycott Contraband.........not if your life depended on it.  I'm starving for good rock cd's.

If I was the boycotting kind.......I would boycott Chinese Democracy to protest Axl not showing up in Philly.  

Driving in my car blasting good rock through my cd player 5-6 days a week helps me with work & life stress.

At this point I only care whether or not these guys put music to a cd and then release it so I can escape life for the 40-45 minutes I'm in my car each day while listening to it.

And while doing so.......I could care less about Axl's, Slash's or Duff's drama.  I got my own to live.

So good luck with your staying away from that one little cd.  You'll be able to walk so proud each day in doing so.  ::)

You guys just have to lay off poor old Dave. He is like that 10 year old kid who found out Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy aren't real and now he is lashing out at the world. Everything he has been told by his God Axl his entire life is that Axl made Slash, Duff and the others everything they ever were in life, and without him they are nothing. Well poor Dave is starting to see that VR is going to be hugely successful without Axl, and it is just crushing his world. He is just insanely jealous that there is nothing to get excited for about GNR (i guess 5-6 years of futility will do that to a guy) while VR is poised to rule the Rock world, so he has to vent his misguided frustrations at VR fans instead of at Axl, who is the one who needs to get his yang in gear. We should just keep him in our prayers that as he tells himself before he goes to bed at night I can Feel it: "YES!! CHINESE DEMOCRACY STARTS NOW!!!! :crying: :crying:) for the next 5 years with no results, that he some day sees the light and ends his little boycott so that he can listen to some real rock music.  

Vr may be hugely successful and I hope that they are ,but that depends on if Scott can keep clean .

the funny part is that Dave admitted in another gnr forum that he'll boycott Contraband but will download it. Man Dave is one funny guy :rofl:

excellent post!! you hit the nail right on the head lol

I agree with what you're saying about re-recordings there, some good points.

And as much as I like Axl, what you say about him is probably true, sadly.

Not only that, but what is a "comerical"?   (com-er-i-cal)    ???

And what is "cerial"?    ???  Could he have meant "serial" or "cereal"?  Oh, I get it, it's a serial cereal ad, and he just combined the two words.   :hihi:


Dave, I hope you're planning on limiting your boycott to this website, because if I had your spelling chops, I wouldn't write these kinds of things on posterboard and march around in public with them.   :hihi:

They are in a business partnership with axl, disagreements will happen. The only people who know all the facts are axl, slash and duff. That's the bottom line. None of us know the truth, so why waste your time getting all worked up about a situation that has nothing to do with us, with people who do not care what we think about it. It has no affect on our lives. You either like the music, or you don't. You can enjoy the music without liking the person. It doesn't make you a hypocrite, nor does it endorse their actions. If I applied your idea to every celebrity/rockstar, I'd never be able to listen to music or watch tv/movies.

Well, I am proud to say I will not be participating in any boycott of Contraband.  I will buy the album on June 8 and it will rock.  I'm already loving what I'm hearing from this band, and I firmly believe the album will be a huge success.  I just cannot figure out how anyone who loves Guns N' Roses can show such disrespect to Slash and Duff McKagan.  There never would have been a GNR without these guys!  "Sweet Child O' Mine" wouldn't be "Sweet Child O' Mine" without Slash.  And now they have started a new band because they know the audience is out there for it.  Every last one of us ought to sending these guys a thank you note for what they are doing.  FINALLY, we have a real rock n' roll band again (along with Jet, of course)!

I'm willing to wager that every single person who frequents these boards - the Axl geeks and the sane people alike - will buy Contraband on June 8.

Couldn't agree with you more, but if you're gonna mention real rock n' roll bands, particularly Australian ones, you can't go past the Screaming Jets, they are much better than this other pale immitation called "Jet".

I'll buy it, only because it's got three ex-Gunners on it.

I'm not sure if I'd buy it based on "Slither" alone.



/jarmo

boycott as much as you want, but at time you'll be listening to old GNR records over and over, I'll be listening to Contraband  : ok:

Each to their own I suppose, but I'm really surprised you haven't taken a liking to "Slither" yet Jarmo.

I started from thinking it was just ok, but now I f**king love the song, same with Set Me Free. They both have so much groove to them, especially if you crank them up on a good stereo. : ok:

I also worked out how to play the Slither riff on guitar and it's so much fun to play!

If Slither and Set Me Free are the weaker tracks on the album I think we're in for something really amazing. :beer:

Boycotting Contraband is foolish.  We are all starving for a great hard rock album, and now it is a month away, and there is talk of boycotting it?  I would boycott Chinese Democracy first.  Velvet Revolver is going to deliver on an album, and I will be buying it the day it comes out.

Thanx, Metallex.  I've never heard of the Screaming Jets, but if they make Jet look like a "pale imitation," then they must be pretty smokin.  I'll check them out.  "Cold Hard Bitch" is one of the best new songs I've heard on rock radio in a long time, though.  There are a few popular bands around right now making great rock music.  Queens of the Stone Age, Audioslave, The Darkness if they toned down the goofiness a bit, the White Stripes, the new Aerosmith record (a must-have for people who love real rock n'roll).  It's not enough, though, so thank God we have Velvet Revolver filling the void!

"Slither" just sounds better and better everytime I hear it.  "Set Me Free" kicks unholy ass and deserved to be a much bigger hit than it was.  Overall, I have a really good feeling about the whole thing.  There's a lot of energy and kickass attitude in these songs.  I'll say it again, Slash, Duff, Matt, Scott, and Dave deserve our eternal gratitude for getting this band together.

This is pathetic!
 
Let's all bash Dave for fun, let's go with the flow. Hiding behind a computer and humilliate another board member only because he's posted a negative comment on the VR section. How cool is that? There are like 25 posts bashing Dave, not his post, him personally. What the fuck is that all about? There are even posters whose counter is below 50 who are still bashing Dave just because everybody else is doing it....pathetic.

Yes, We al know Dave is an Axl Rose fan, prob the biggest on this board, but aren't we all? Bashing other members is not necessary. You may agree or not with him, but c'mon people! give the guy a break.

On topic, I will buy VR album and attend their show because of Duff, Slash and Scott. Never seen Weiland live, this is my chance. Seen Duff and Slash, but obviously looking forward to see them again.

Come on...Daves not getting bashed because its "cool"  or because everyone is doing it...its because his posts are ridiculous.  Hes not making a "negative VR statement," hes calling for a boycott.  If Dave doesnt want to get negative responses, it would be a good idea to stop posting ridiculous bullshit such as this.  Im sure some of the most overzealous Axl-diehards would agree that this is just retarded and child-like.  Its the original topic thats pathetic, not the responses.  Calling a boycott over a lawsuit involving your idol that you ultimately know nothing about is pathetic.  Criticizing Duff and Slash is one thing...something as bizarre as this is another.  And this is just one in a long line of Daves irrational post history, its not like a temporary absence of sense.


But do we go calling for "boycotts" of GNR members over some bullshit we know little-to-nothing about?

I really really-as much as i try lol.  Cannot understand this divided mentality from the fan point of view.  Can Dave or some others with this mentallity explain sensibly for me ??

I love all those that created the band that shook my world and who; due to every time i buy a  "new" old bootleg, just excite me so much  and i get even more into them with every listen.

Oh and by the way i'm just wondering if you were involved with the GH boycott because that was really successful wasn't it ..... lol

Now i can understand to a certain extent  Axl, Slash and Duff on a personal level have issues, that they have to deal with how they feel is right.  Just because we are fans doesn't mean we have rights to make judgements when it comes to their business, because that is what it is - their business.

I can tell already you will buy or at least "obtain" Contraband and before you have listened to it, you'r going to be on here 5 mins later slagging it off.  Just like some who will do the same with Chinese Democracy.  I really can't understand how you can approach music in that way- very modern and cold  and not what music is about.  

I'm approaching VR as a new band, so give them time to grow - as any band needs.  GNR had a couple of years before their defining moments arrived. So be cool 'cause i think it's going to be a decent band - i'm not expecting number 1 album or nothing like that, top 15-20 will be a great start, they will then hopefully have time to define themselves when they hit the live stage.  

Good post, however I think the top 7 is guaranteed, possibly top 3.  Especially when you consider that nothing substantial is really being released June 8th, or even before that, except for Avril Lavigne.

I think it will go to number 2 to start. I don't think it will go #1 because of the bad press they seem to be getting ie "Album's good, Scotts a fuckup"

all i know is that "slither" is already top 5 on the Billboard Rock Singles charts.
"Slither" is also the hottest debut on the Billboard Top 100 singles charts at #63 and I don't think it will be slowing down anytime soon. It will easily hit TOP 40, and I would even put $$$ that it may go TOP 30! :smoking:

Just as people say that "Madagascar" (could he go by the name DAVE?!) is better than any rock song out there  :P, I certainly believe that the same case could be made with "Slither", along with a video that is ulitimately cool with fans like myself (who don't carry Axl's grudges on their backs), with MTV and with VR most importantly. It will be getting some serious playing time, not to mention all the underground buzz that will emerge from all the clubs that VR play at in the coming month.

I will definitly buy this album. Even though I would wish that the band could put on some better lyrics for the music, the music is really great and fun! A hot rock n' roll soundtrack to what its turning out to be a hot summer
I guess that means that if Dave, and people wanna hate on this album and wanna debate the deep meanings of the chorus of Madagascar, then they don't know what it means to live - it means being able to live by your philosphies, not just sitting around typing away about them.
 :D
MNR

Sorry but that video isnt cool at all... Take a big cheese from your refrigerator, throw it in the TV and youll get the same result. The only thing that saves there is Slash, which is cool as always

So then you are saying Slash + Cheese = Still cool.

 ;D

No, I?m saying Slash looks cool in any ocasion.... Even in this cheesy video

I disagree. You may not agree with the guy, but making fun of him by pointing out his misspelling errors ( I'm not saying you have) is going too far.

 

No, Dave's getting bashed because that has always been the pattern on Dave's posts. Regardless the nature of his post, he always gets bashed because he is an Axl Rose die hard fan. Yes, I agree that boycotting an album over an issue we have no clue about is going a bit too far - I already said I liked VR, hence I'll buy the album - but truth is this, Slash and Duff suing Axl Rose one month before VR's album release could be interpretated as another band/artist using the name Axl Rose to get more publicity.



No I don't. And I don't think you do either, but what's the big deal anyway? the guy may be pre-judging over an issue we know nothing about yet, but isn't he allowed to pre-judge? We all do in this board, so does he.

To remain on topic, I don't think VR will hit the top 5. Slither is a decent song, but I would've thought they should've released a different single. You got no right is a ballad ( great second single) but didn't Scott say something about the song "Falling to Pieces" to be one of the songs which will be remembered in 30 years time? Is thgat song a ballad as well?

Looks like 4 of you will be boycotting the album. VR are screwed hahahahah!!!! Your always throwing around that people need to get their facts straight. Well the reason Slash rejected WTJ from beong in Black Hawk Down was because Axl wanted to give them a version of the song recorded by the new band.  Axl isn't trying to save the integrity of the band by not selling songs to movies. He is doing it so the ex members don't get a cut.  He didnt have a problem having songs on "End Of Days", "Days Of Thunder" , "The Dead Pool", "T2" and others.... It i sso obvious that the success of VR is eating you up inside. It is killing you.....

I bet if somebody put up this same boycott message on teh gn'r board about axl and chinese democracy it would already be "locked" and whomever said it would be "banned"

I think the lyrics to Slither are awesome!!!!!

I'll buy two copies. One to make up for Dave's boycott HAHAHAHAH.

when you're dealing with an album that will ultimately ship multiplatinum in the states alone, it won't matters.

meanwhile, I'm sure Dave will enjoy his continual analysis of the "recorded voices" that play during the chorus of Madagascar.

MNR

This must eat at the core of dave's stomach that a couple members of gn'r have gotten on the ball and decided to do something cool...................it's gotta hurt. Ouch.

I bet you don't have a clue about how this board works.



/jarmo

VR is what it is. Not much earth shaking and very predictable. If i don't hear (Contra)Band, I feel I have not missed much. Slither could have been released fifteen years ago and no one would have felt it's out of place. VR won't set the world on fire in the same way that AudioSlave didnt either.

HeHe, whatever, dude. You go to your room & listen to your boots of Madagascar & the Blues, & I'll be seeing VR live at Roseland, then I'll be buying their new CD on June 8th, & from what I've heard so far, it's gonna rock.

However, if damming them with faint praise, or minimizing what they are about to do somehow makes you feel better about Axl, go ahead.

We Velvet Revolver fans don't want the likes of you among our ranks, anyway.

huh? this is a message board, i posted my opinion. deal with it. I wouldn't join your "posse" anyway because i have a free spirit and mind.

Do you have a secret handshake?

As soon as somebody says anything even remotely negative about VR it's because the person is an Axl fan? I guess the magazines are full of Axl fans then....


/jarmo

Contraband is gonna rock plain and simple - one person boycotting it is one more CD and one more concert ticket for a real VR fan.

Maybe, just maybe --  and I'm going out on a limb here -- but MAYBE Velvet Revolver does not intend (or care) to set the world on fire or shaking the earth?  Maybe -- just maybe -- they're just intent on playing good ol' fashioned rock n roll music?  That's good enough for me.  No band needs to set the world on fire to garner my support.  They've just got to have the music there, that's all that matters.


No, because our hands are too busy pumping our fists in the air to VR's asskicking rock n roll! (http://www.ozzyhead.com/messageboard/8.gif)

That is because the FEW people here that have talked shit about VR happen to be known HUGE AXL FANATICS.  And Providman was replying to killingvector who is a known HUGE Axl supporter.

There are going to be certain people here that are actually threatened by VR's success and will not like them no matter what.  Slither happens to be a great song and it seems the rest of the nation agrees.  They are just having fun and making some kick ass music while doing it. They are not out to change the world. When you take rock to seriously you ruin it.  

BRAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA. I return to this board for the first time in like 8 months and DaveGnR3K9 is still posting his usual stuff.  Remember when I offered you a bet in 2002 that CD wouldn't come out by July 4, 2003? Ah the good ol' days.  Face facts, bud.  VR is red hot. Slither is lighting up the airwaves at top stations that wouldn't even play the new GnR.  The band is selling out all shows quickly. The album will be a hit. I have friends that have heard most tracks and all agree it rocks hard.  I could give two shits  if Duff and Slash sue Axl. Hell, he deserves it for ruining the greatest band in rock.  Now that bucketboy has deserted town too along with the other 75 before him, I would''ve thought that maybe, just maybe, you'd see the light.  By your post here, I guess the answer is a resounding "no".  I honestly believet that you are indeed Axl Rose.  If so - put out an album already!

It's statements like this ^^^^^^^ that fuel the feud between nuGnR fans and VR fans. If you want to appreciate the music for what it is, then I can appreciate and respect that. If you want to use it as a lynch pin to further berate axl for taking his time, procrastinating, or wigging out then you will hear from me. I won't buy this album because it sounds like something i've already heard and has not gotten me excited. I am more excited about Bucketheadland II than (Contra)Band. One is innovative, the other appears from what i hear to be redundant.

This is the exact type of post I expected when I saw your name.  Friends who have heard the album? Who would that be? Wouldn't happen to be people close to VR would it? Cuz if so, I really appreciate their unbiased opinion.

Contraband rocks hard? BWAHAHA,  you must be talking about the other 12 tracks, the ones that only your friends conveniently heard, not whats been made available.  

Stop comparing VR to Axl...alot of you Slash fans have the luxury of drawing attention away from any commercial failure he puts out and using Axl's lack of material as a way to comfort yourself.  For once, look at Slash's/Duff's/Vr's material without blatantly reminding yourself "Well I guess its better than Axl's no show".

If we look at Slither as a single from a new unknown band and if we dont compare it to Axl's failed attempts, it plummets down to a really average song.
By the way, I am a huge Slash fan,  I'm just being honest.
If I had to choose any word to describe VR...RED or HOT would probably be some of the last - stop acting like this is a reincarnation of Queen, they have a mediocre first single that manages to compete with other mediocre songs of today.  

one - My brother works in NYC for RCA Records and has heard Contraband in its entirety.  Two - I have a close friend who works on marketing for many major releases and bands including Coldplay, radiohead, the Darkness, and yes... VR. He's heard 6 tracks and said that all were terrific and rocked.

As for Slither - IMHO, the song is awesome.  When it comes on, I crank it up. When it comes on, I drive faster.  The guitar licks crunch hard.  I liked The Blues a lot. I thought madagascar was pretty good.  i didn't care for any of the other 'new' GnR stuff at all. IMO, Slither is better than all but The Blues.  

I went to the VR Smashbox Studios acoustic set last year.  I heard the other new VR song that has yet to be released "You Got no Right" or somethign like that.  It was STPish and is much better than Slither to me.  It is certainly as catchy as The Blues.

And what is this bs about it sounding like something you've heard. Of course it does. You've heard Weiland's voice and you've heard the band's signature sound.  I loved GnR and I loved STP so of course I like their combined sound.  

It's time for you Axl cronies to admit that the music world has moved on and that Axl has been left behind, botox and all.  By the time we hear CD, it will sound like something you've heard too - because it will be dated.

That's funny, you say a lot of stuff about Axl and you're not his biggest fan now are you?


I've seen "Slither" reviews that say the song is "ok", not anything special. Are those people Axl fans too?

I bet you think Snakepit made the best rock album of 2000?


/jarmo

This is really stupid when you think about I am really interested in the album, and if we see Chinese Democracy which is hangs in the balance is another issue but I wouldn't boycott the album for something stupid.

A couple points I'd like to make:

1) I like Set Me Free, better than Slither.  However, I also think Set Me Free, is just as good as any song the NEW GNR has put out.

2) Axl loyalists would be better off embracing Contraband, or at least giving it a chance.  Chinese Democracy is not coming out anytime soon.  

3) Don't underestimate the musical abilities of Slash, Duff and Matt Sorum.  Slash and Duff especially are responsible for the great music we heard from GNR recordings.

4) The bottom line is Velvet Revolver was able to get their shit together faster than new GNR's.  With that in mind, we all should look forward to Contraband, which chould be the best rock album since Use Your Illusion II.

Are you serious? The best rock album since UYI???? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH ::) This WHOLE board is becoming a massive joke...

Some of these people are the same "objective" fans who have been giving their "objective" opinions on the new GN'R tracks for years now.

I found this situation really funny. Some of you VR fans have been bashing a lot of the stuff Axl has done or hasn't done in recent years. Now that VR is releasing their single, video and album, as soon as somebody says something even remotely negative it's met with a "stay out of the VR section you Axl fan, at least VR are releasing something" reply.

If your attitude regarding "Slither" is "at least they're releasing something unlike Axl", then you'll be happy with the album without even hearing a single note of it.
 

Personally I think Contraband might be one of the better rock albums of 2004. But I'm not gonna say it'll be the best rock album since 1991 even before I've heard it..... Besides, many great rock albums have been released between 1991 and 2004.  :P



/jarmo


PS PhillyRiot, don't underestimate Izzy's songwriting abilities.

Were the UYI's even rock albums?

Yes



The best album Slash has put out since UYI, I do not doubt that. You know that there are other bands, which are amazing in their own right...

well most admit to liking madag and the blues. the other songs just don't deserve to be under the gnr name. It's that simple. That is the reason why nu-gnr fans are taking shots at VR fans because they can't accept the fact that only 2 of the 6 new songs they've heard in over 13 years are any good and there is no sign of a album arriving anytime soon. I'm gonna tell it like it madagascar and the blues are great songs but the rest are crap. So far VR is 3 for 3 with the songs we've heard. Now Axl can silence all the critics by simply releasing his "Big Guns" but he doesn't. Why?...because he doesn't have faith in them.

JARMO - I certainly do not underestimate Izzy's song writing abilities.  I wish he was a member of Velvet Revolver.  

MADAGASCAR - Contraband certainly can be the best rock album since UYI2.  I won't know until I own it.  I mean really how many good rock albums have there been since then?  Nirvana is good but doesn't really do it for me, so what other albums would they have to beat?

Oh my goodness, if you are even going to compare them,  why do you conveniently forget the Snakepit trainwreck and Believe in Me. So far they are 0 for 3 (or more) in terms of albums.

Almost any of the grunge albums from Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Alice in chains, and Soundgarden. Radiohead Ok Computer-The Bends, Tool -Lateralus and Aenema are flat out monsters, just off the top of my head.

Many Alice in Chains albums
Red Hot CHili Peppers
Pumpkins
Oasis
Possibly, The Black Album (released in 91...not sure about this one in terms of dates)

wow I can't believe what I just read. You think Slash and duff put those bands together because they wanted to rule the world like they are trying to do with VR? If you think that then you are really clueless because they did their solo albums and the snakepits and loadeds of the world for fun because they like to make music and at the time needed to stay out of the spotlight. Why do you think they waited 6 years to get back together?...Exactly

I don't see any STP in these lists :hihi:

So that's why they're editing their song(s) and doing all those interviews, they want to rule the world..... Where are the people screaming "sell-outs"?  :hihi:

I thought VR was for "fun" too.  ???


/jarmo

somebody help me out here...

of course VR is for fun too! it's just a much more series band now. The guys are through with staying underground. They got that off their chests. Now it's time to reach the masses again like they did with Gn'R. Why is that so hard to understand??

Maybe because they say they're a "dangerous" band. For me being dangerous doesn't mean you do all the things you have to to get popular.

What's more dangerous, to make a video and a show about it on MTV2 or no video at all?

I really hope these guys aren't gonna start compromising because they want to rule the world...



/jarmo

what do u want then? a boring anti-everything band that gives it's fan nothing?

How is VR selling out? They not doing what metallica did! and make a solo-less album with a nu-metal sound. The music, which is the main thing is still the same. Vocals, guitars, drums, bass and lots of solos? and lots of dirty songs unlike the usual 'You were born to be my baby' you get from bands like Bon Jovi.

 ???

Is doing interviews to promote an album anything new?  

GNR didnt do interviews?  Videos?  "Making Of" those videos?  "Behind-the-scenes" at their concerts with MTV?

Another unfair comment.  St. Anger didnt have a "nu-metal sound," and it was hardly "commercial".  The lack of solos is disappointing to most fans, however it certainly doesnt mean theyre selling out.  Its just a bad artistic move.  That album was very un-commercial, with very long songs and none being a distinct single.

Well they did up until about 1992 when Axhole decided to shut out the entire rest of the world.. ;D I think your boy Weiland would serve himself better by not talking to the press.

I'm so tired of the "sell-out" label that gets tossed around just because people they may not agree with a band handle things. I'm not just referring to VR, it's just unwarranted 99% of the time that it is used.

I think whoever said VR wants to rule is wrong to a degree. I don't think VR are too concerned with being on top, but obviously they'd like to be successful. I mean who doesn't want to have success? Overall, they are in this band for their love of playing music.

I can't really see how anyone would criticize them for their promotional tactics. Does that really make them less "dangerous" or less of a serious band? They're just trying to get their music heard - which is the goal of every musician out there.

What is a dangerous band anyway? It's just a silly label that doesn't matter, but you can easily argue that they are a "dangerous" band simply for the fact that they are not recording your typical radio friendly material. They're ignoring trends to make the music they are comfortable making.

In the end, it's only their music that matters. If you enjoy the music then who cares how they handle promotion or what labels they use? It's all about the music.

"I think whoever said VR wants to rule is wrong to a degree. I don't think VR are too concerned with being on top, but obviously they'd like to be successful. I mean who doesn't want to have success? Overall, they are in this band for their love of playing music."

yeah i was exaggerating....

Booker brought up a good point...Gn'R was a promotional machine!! you've seen interviews were Slash talks about how in the early days he used to tear other bands concert flyers off the wall and put their flyers there instead because it was 'pay to play' in LA at the time so as Slash said they had to fight tooth and nails just to get a gig. They didn't become the world biggest most dangerous band by accident!

Girl, IT IS RADIO FRIENDLY! That is my problem with Slither. It is clearly pandering to a modern rock format-(which is complete shit by the way). The tone of the guitars during the riffs is straight up cheesy and sounds like shit-weak shit. The song itself is structurally adequate and the solo is good, but the tone of the guitars was tweaked to sound more "modern". It is not classic Slash tone at all. There is absolutely no edge to it at all.

Great post!  

see that is the problem you are picking the song apart trying to find reasons to hate it.

How many songs have we heard the past 10 years with an awesome intro, chorus, solo, catchy-ness like Slither? And the best part is it doesn't sound like AC/DC or AFD part 2 and at the same time it does't sound like Slipknot, nickelback! What can you possibily expect?!

I think it is a mistake to call this band (and for them to call themselves) "dangerous". They are mostly fathers of small children who are either clean or relatively so (Scott obviously excluded). However, simply because they are not "dangerous" does not mean they are, by exclusion, mainstream.
Besides, the entire "i don't give a fuck" dogma is contrived bullshit. Everyone cares. Some are willing to pay a larger price to get fans, but like someone else pointed out, everyone wants their product to be accepted and admired. That does not mean they are selling out.

I agree the Dangerous notion is a bit silly. They are dangerous though in the sense that they are making the music they want to make and its so good that radio is forced to play their songs not just the nickelbacks and new found glory of the world lol

Excellent point. I don't see why the hell it would make them less 'dangerous' to get their names out there. It makes absolutely no sense why it's a bad thing that they made a freaking music video and a Making of on MTV. MTV is the best place to promote music. It's that simple.

Moreover, ^^^^, this whole "radio play" big-dick contest is political bullshit. People (specifically radio people) are snobs about music and enjoy being elitist regarding who they will or will not play (the listeners obviously supporting this practice). It's all a sham, in my opinion. Like Girl said, listen to what you like and fuck what everyone else says.
I would hardly judge a band's worth by whether or not certain stations want to play them.. ::) That's stupid and you will be missing out.

there aren't many of them...  :)

You made a good point,  Top Hat. These Axl people are so tired of seeing their boy get ripped a new asshole for all the stupid shit he's pulled over the years, & they've got so much misplaced anger,  they'e just dying, DYING, to be able to rip on VR likewise, so they'll create bullshit "issues" like calling VR sellouts, crucify Slash & Duff for having the gall to sue their man-child hero Axl, pick apart the songs we've heard already, (in their minds, Axhole has created an undisputed masterpiece, so, in their little minds, anything VR releases that isn't as earth-shaking, revolutionary, & mind-blowing as they IMAGINE Chinese Democracy is fair game to rip), &  even, if deep down they like the music, they'd never give a VR fan the "satisfaction" of admitting it, because in their own little worlds, that would be the equivilent of going against Axhole, & God knows that can't happen.

I can't tell you what makes them less dangerous but I sure would like to know what  makes them dangerous in the first place, how they claim to be.  I seriously want to know...since they proclaimed themselves as this in numerous interviews.

What makes them dangerous?  Well for one the lead singer has been in and out of rehab centers, and has been arrested on several occasions.

Seriously though, you guys can't tell me that you are not going to get Contraband.  There are 3/5 GNR, and we all love the old GNR right?

C'mon, man, off the top of my head, if VR, or even Axl, released an album as good as:

Wilco Yankee Hotel Foxtrot/Being There
Springsteen The Rising
RHCP BSSM/Californication
Extreme Three Sides to Every Story
Foo Fighters Colour & the Shape
Radiohead OK Computer/The Bends
Rush Vapor Trails
Everclear Sparkle & Fade
Smashing Pumpkins Gish/Siamese Dream/MCATIS
Weezer Blue Album/Pinkerton

I'd be doing handstands. Those, in my opinion, are just a few of what I consider some of the best releases of the last 10 years or so, I'm sure I missed at least 20 or so.

Ya, so has Whitney Houston.
That doesn't make him anything else but a poor guy with major problems (hope he gets better), and it certainly doesn't make the rest of the band the hardcore badasses they claim to be.

When they are described as dangerous, it's not the kind that is going to actually put your life in danger or anything, it's dangerous in the sense of you never know what's actually going to happen. What will Scott do on stage...will Scott even make it to the stage? Will he get thrown back in rehab again or arrested? Is he going to flip out if you say something offensive? It's the whole rock n roll lifestyle thing, I guess you could say.

The thing is, I asked WHERE the people screaming "sell-outs" were?

When a band starts doing promotion, videos and appearing in almost every magazine, some people are always using the word "sell-out" to describe that.

You never noticed that?  ???

I don't care about all the stuff that goes along with being a rock band. If they want to do a "Making Of...", good for them. Maybe that means MTV won't air some other crappy Making Of that often.

It doesn't bother me because it doesn't have anything to do with the most important thing, the music.

Personally I just don't buy the whole "dangerous" part, it seems funny to me. They're a rock band who wants their music to be heard, not a band that wants to change the way people think and tell people that things are wrong in today's society....

Even a band like Marilyn Manson seems more "dangerous" than VR to me.



/jarmo

I fully concur.  I've long said that the term "sellout" is hackneyed and overused, and untrue in most cases.

You musy be llistening to a different song to me, because the version I have sounds huge and crunchy as hell. Sure it's different to the sound of UYI or AFD, but they aren't trying to recreate that, this is a new band.

Besides, I bet if they sounded more like classic GN'R they'd be criticized for sounding the same.

I could care less anyway, to me Slither f**kin rocks.
I feel bad for those who haven't taken a liking to it.

Weiland having his new video have a "making of" is nothing new. A few sTP songs had them.

Your right I am not the biggest Axl fan. I actually for the most part don't even waste my time on him anymore and you don't see me talking shit. I used to be a big fan of him but actually cannot stand him now. I do give him credit when credit is due though. I liked a couple of his new tunes, but most sucked. I was rooting for him for awhile and he let me down. I saw the new band live and it sucked, I bought end of days, a bucket album. I really tried but he hasn't changed a bit. He is arrogant **** that treats his fans like shit.  

I also could give a shit if people don't like "Slither" whether they are an Axl fan or not. I could give a shit about Axl...... My only point is that the few peopel that support teh "boycott of Contraband" happen to be pronounced Axl supporters, followers, and defenders to a point where it turns peoples stomachs.

And another thing Jarmo, I thought Snakepit 2000 was one of the worst albums ever.  There were a couple ok tunes but most of them sucked.

That is your opinion...I think the guitar tone kicks ass!!! It chugs and is powerful. I thought Set Me Free was a good song. Not great but good. But Slither really kicks ass IMO and I consider it great.  I crank that shit up when I am driving and it really gets my blood flowing. It just sticks in my head.

I bet you hated Don't Cry, Nov Rain, Patience, Live And Let Die, sweet Child and many other GnR tunes because they were "radio friendly" hahahah

jarmo - i'm lost. i've never heard anyone describe a band as "dangerous" and i have no idea what it means.

could you describe?

thanks alot!

anyway, VR rocks!! i like what i've heard and i'm hoping the album meets my expectations. how can you call it selling out when they sound VERY similar to their previous work, but at the same time sound new and fresh. (which is very difficult to pull off.)

Jarmos reffering to Duffs use of the word in several interviews to describe the band.

I personally dont get the word...to me its like "contemporary".  Another word thats thrown around without any clear definition.

While I dont consider VR "dangerous" for the reasons many have pointed out - middle-aged, millionaire veteran musicians dont exactly make you think of danger - they sort of are in a sense.  In the same sense that Courtney Love, at 40 years old, is still "dangerous," so is this band - Weiland in particular.  Like Love, hes not necessarily the most stable guy.  And I think thats what Duff means by it.  In addition to the high-powered, violent live energy, I assume his use of "dangerous" is synonmous with "unpredictable."  I dont believe hes trying to pass the band off dangerous in the sense that Jarmo seems to interpret - as having some kind of message or something...or as literally dangerous.  Theyve got a raw, powerful energy and Scott can be somewhat unpredictable in his performing - diving into the crowd and what not - so thats my interpretation.

Whatever the case, its certainly a bad word to use, as it opens up this kind of criticism because its so vague.  Also, a band shouldnt label themselves as "dangerous," they should let the fans and press do that.  But for all intents and purposes, "dangerous" is a confusing, arbitrary description for a rock band.

I think Duff actually said something in a recent interview to the affect of (paraphrasing of course) "You never know when one of us will come off stage and kick some ass."

Puh-leaze...


Booker's "unpredictable" analogy better defines their
personality as a band..

"You made a good point,  Top Hat. These Axl people are so tired of seeing their boy get ripped a new asshole for all the stupid shit he's pulled over the years, & they've got so much misplaced anger,  they'e just dying, DYING, to be able to rip on VR likewise, so they'll create bullshit "issues" like calling VR sellouts, crucify Slash & Duff for having the gall to sue their man-child hero Axl, pick apart the songs we've heard already, (in their minds, Axhole has created an undisputed masterpiece, so, in their little minds, anything VR releases that isn't as earth-shaking, revolutionary, & mind-blowing as they IMAGINE Chinese Democracy is fair game to rip), &  even, if deep down they like the music, they'd never give a VR fan the "satisfaction" of admitting it, because in their own little worlds, that would be the equivilent of going against Axhole, & God knows that can't happen. "


what a load of crap. Pure speculation. Did it ever occur to you that some of us just don't like it. I find the lyrics bland. Weiland has such a great voice that he can make even the most boring words seem exciting but here it doesn't fool me.
When I hear Slither, I hear Snakepit with a better vocalist. Sorry if that offends you but that is my opinion. Personally, i have liked slash and duff alot more in the past when they walked away from axl and didn't wade around in the sewer. Clearly they stepped over this line with the lawsuit; if they are in the right, then get the rights acknowledged and move on, however, they have taken this to a much more personal level by seeking punitive damages to punish axl for their own ignorance of their rights. Since i have taken no pleasure from what i've heard from VR and didn't care for the timing of their suit, I have decided not to buy this. Don't like it? fine. have fun. I have plenty of other more 'dangerous' rock music to listen to.

Im curious to hear what Snakepit song "Slither" resembles, and what similarities each bear.  Because "Slither" sounds distinctly un-Snakepit to me, but maybe Im missing something?


So youre incorporating one event (one about which you ultimately have no clue) in your decision to buy VRs album.  But even after all of Axls antics (no-shows, cancellations, insults, re-recordings, etc.), you would never even think to incorporate them into your decision to buy his album, would you?  And while I hate to get hypothetical, Id venture to guess that if it was Axl who was seeking punitive action for whatever reason, you wouldnt think twice about it.

I find ones decision to factor a lawsuit that they know nothing about (especially when it comes to timing) and has nothing to do with them into whether or not to purchase an album (especially when its made by members of one of their favorite bands)...weird.  

But thats your prerogative - and it brings the Contraband boycott to a whopping two participants.  I hope the band can persevere through this devestating firestorm.

Tomass, I HATE Don't Cry!! LOL-I watched the Slither video again last night. Honestly, being completely fair, it is only small parts of the song that have that god awful high pitched tone on the guitar-not as much as I originally thought. The song is catchy and the band does seem very tight-it will be a good live show and I am truly happy for Slash that he has found a true frontman that he can connect with. I just wish the tone of the guitar was a little dirtier and rougher, because the structure and intro are cool and the melody is catchy. I really liked Slither at El Rey because it seemed looser and rougher. Even though I am in to more artier stuff these days like older Radiohead and Wilco, I'll be getting Contraband. Also, listening to alot of Alice in Chains now. Man, Axl could use a guy like Jerry Cantrell but the redhead may be a lost cause at this point. :beer:

Agreed completely.

Exactly, what I was talking about KV....you just look for reasons to hate them even if they are incorrect like saying Slither sound like Snakepit. You just proved my point.

how does that prove your point? you can't argue that my opinion is wrong. it's MY opinion. If i don't care for them, then that's that. It's not proof of some wider conspiracy. You see, some of you VR fans, just like jarmo said, take any criticism as some plot by axl fans to hate. It's not like that at all. I don't care for Slither. Sounds like STP mixed Snakepit. not a good thing. i really think axl brought out something in slash that is missing here. You can only remake Mr. Brownstone so many times.

btw, booker, way too many hypotheticals. I am angry at slash and duff because i feel that if CD had any chance of seeing the light of day this year, if i decide to heed the 'next few months' as some sort of bench mark, then this pretty much killed that. The timing of this suit is too uncomfortable for me to bear and their damages are excessive and cruel. Have a jude acknowledge your rights over the old catalog then go out and make your money, don't spank axl for their own negligence.  Call it a boycott if you want, but frankly i don't like the music or the men ; therefore call it a pass.


As for axl's behavior, I am not at all happy about losing the tour and b buckethead. i blame the redhead for this. Would i boycott CD? probably not because he isn't trying to sabotage and break someone else's life like slash and duff are. Axl can be mean, but he hasn't been this mean. Plus i have enjoyed the nu GnR alot more than VR. The potential seems there for something big; i would like to explore the potential more before deciding whether to buy it or not.

First it sounds like Snakepit, now its "Mr. Brownstone"?

You still havent explained what makes "Slither" similar to Snakepit, but judging from your last quote, youre just as confused about your opinion as I am...


...

There was one.


You 'feel,' yet you have no clue.  And your 'feeling' is based on what?  Axls own inability to deliver the album?  Dont blame Slash and Duff for that.  Im sure that he can deliver the album, or at least announce a date whenever he wishes.  Youre telling me he cant handle the lawsuit and carry on with his career simultaneously?  Doesnt seem to be hindering Slash and Duff.


Again..you are clueless as to why the suit is happening now, so to jump to conclusions is presumptuous to say the least.


Theyre seeking money that Axl allegedly deprived them of.  You should wait until a judgement is made before, once again, jumping to your own ininformed conclusions.


As Ive said...that you would say "I dont like the men" based on this lawsuit = weird.


 :confused:

And just when I think it cant get weirder...

By seeking money that Axl allegedly afforded them, theyre trying to break his life?  Are you serious?


 :'(

 ::)

Why am i clueless as to why they are going forward with this lawsuit? I have read the brief and understand their position. The timing is bad and the damages they seek are excessive.

Snakepit sounds as if it wants to remake Brownstone over and over again. VR so far follows that pattern. Sorry if you can't keep up with this argument. It's someone as thickheaded as you who can't understand that someone has a different taste. Don't insult me again, my opinion is what it is , but it's definately not confused.

I don't like the music and feel that Slash and duff are being vindictive. I won't buy it.

do you really think you are going to change my mind?

Youre clueless because you have no clue as to why the suit is taking place now.  Youre simply making up your own conclusions about "sabotage" and what not.  Who are you to comment on whats good-or-bad timing for this lawsuit?  And if the damages are excessive, surely the judge will determine that, however the brief indicates that this is money they missed out on because of Axl.  If it seems excessive, then it would appear Axl cost them an "excessive" amount of money.  And if all these claims are unfounded, then the judge will say so...but it seems youve already made your own verdict with the little information we have.


Again...an example would be great.


How so?  How does anything weve heard so far sound like a "Mr. Brownstone" remake?


Theres no argument to keep up with?  Youre just repeating the same thing and avoiding any explanation.  Ive simply asked for some kind explanation as to how VR souds like Snakepit...you respond with "Theyre remaking 'Mr. Brownstone'"?  Your opinion is what it is...very confused.


Yeah, theyre notoriously vindictive.  They should take after Axl mor...wait a minute.  ::)


Nope, your lack of reason or mature thought is overwhelming, Im afraid.

Once again, I've read the brief. It's obvious what the basis of their suit is. I am not in anyway saying they are wrong; they may very well have the rights to the catalog. However, ,the timing of the suit coupled with the demand for punitive damages to punish axl for acting on behalf of the gnr catalog when slash and duff were ignorant of their own rights leads me to the conclusion that this is a 'let's fuck over axl in front of the press' move.  Prove me wrong.

What am i saying is that slither sounds like a snakepit song to me with a better singer. Same boring lyrics, same signature, safe but decidedly undangerous slash guitarwork. I'm not impressed. most bands have one or two songs to hook you; neither SMF or Slither has proved to me that they are better than Be the Ball or Beggars. I would rather listen to the Pearl Jam, old STP, or Audioslave than bland, rancid rock.


i'm repeating myself because you can't get it through your thick head what i am saying. Perhaps I am not conveying my opinion well enough. If i don't care for the suit or the music, what compromise can we reach? I figure you won't stop attacking my taste until i admit you own me.


whatever dude. So I cannot be offended by whatever slash and duff do because axl tossed a piano out a window or didn't show up in philly? Get real.


 With this comment, i won't comment to you anymore. It was you who began berating me with your posts and there is no point carrying on a discussion with someone who falls back on insults.

"you are what you think you are."

i agree, it's such a vague term. which is why i don't understand why everyone is making such a big deal out of it. cause who knows what Duff's definition of "dangerous" is???

maybe it's just him being confident, in a semi-sarcastic kind of way.

You don't think this is kinda funny?

While Velvet Revolver inevitably offers a few echoes of its members' illustrious pasts, their sound is defiantly forward-looking and truly fresh in all senses of that word. "Our music is very aggressive," says Duff. "There's always that 'Fuck you' element to it. Really that's all we know how to do. We can't play nice or play radio. Slash, Matt and I were always that way in Guns N' Roses, and Scott and Dave are very like-minded. To me, this is the first dangerous band that's come around in a while ? truly dangerous. People are going to say, 'Oh a supergroup. These guys have everything.' And I can understand that, but we're not coming at this that way. We really hope to bring some chaos back into the whole world of rock."



/jarmo

Duff must be back on the bottle....

No doubt, probably taking shots in between finance classes
at the University of Seattle..

No offense to his fans in general, but Duff's goofy...

yes it's hilarious actually BUT VR is putting out a record and a very good one at that while we don't know what is going on with axl and new gnr. So why not just enjoy contraband.

WTF has his quote to do with Axl?  ???

They could put out ten of the best rock albums ever in one day, it's still funny to me.

Oops, I just said what Booker's supposed to say.  Sorry B! :hihi:



/jarmo

i don't find it funny, but i guess i see where you're coming from.

the thing is, i agree 100% with duff when he says that they're bringing something different to the rock music scene.

I agree that the dangerous label is a bit on the lame side, but I think they are just trying to establish that the are not the typical cookie-cutter band that gets mainstream airplay.

Well hopefully they release lots of cool dirty live shows for ya!!! Jerry Cantrell is DA MAN too!!!

Why is the timing so bad? Did you want them to wait til CD comes out??? It i sthe BIGGEST fucking joke in the world also , when people start saying that this lawsuit is delaying CD.  Chinese Democracy get delayed everytime Axl crawls out of his hole and see's his own pathetic shadow.

In the new fhm, Matt jokes that they will release 3 more records (in addition to contraband) before CD

It still amazes me how many people here are against VR and Contraband. I mean I love VR, but I'm still looking forward to the day that Axl actually releases CD too.

Here we have 3/5 of UYI era GN'R releasing a new album that they claim to be a kickass record (and from what I've heard so far, they're right!), but people still bitch about it.

Very strange... :confused:

Why is it strange? Some people just don't like the lead singer. Does it sound familiar?

Some others don't like the guitarist etc. etc.


/jarmo

All these people basically have said all I wanted to say to Dave

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& thats definately fair enough. I dont think anyone has a problem with people not buying because they just dont like the music on it, thats all good, but its a shame to see these few Axl brain washed idiots having so much hate for 2 great guys who gave us great music with Axl

I remember Daves predictions too, like he said he GUARANTEED it would be out by a certain date & its well past that now. Wonder what Dave has to say about that now

It's strange because it's a new band featuring 3 ex-GN'R members being discussed on a GN'R message board. And to not like like them is one thing, but to downright hate them is another, I've seen more of the latter on these boards lately.

I'm just saying that if I can like both Axl's new-GN'R and also like VR, why can't others?

You never noticed that certain people hate Axl? It's the same thing. It only seems to upset you because some fans hate the "wrong" people.




I think the majority does.



/jarmo

My interest in VR was about a 10, but after hearing Set Me Free and Slither, it dropped down to about a 6. I think some others feel similarly. Really, I don't care what they do on their spare time, I'll buy their CD if they make great music - something which I still haven't heard.  

Anyone who is boycotting this album because it's not Axl is a geeeeek.  At least these guys have the balls to put something out.  Personally, Scott is probably a better entertainer than Axl.  Don't be a loser and boycott the album.  Whatever is good you should buy it and this album is gonna be good.  

I'm going to buy Contraband, the first bought CD in a while. I look forward to the realease, as well as the Philadelphia show on May 28th. I have higher hopes for them showing up, unlike "Guns N' Roses" in December of 2003 who made a great fear of mine come true that night. I really don't care who sues who. I just want a fucking rock album again, a real one, and I hope that Velvet Revolver has created one.

***Edit***

2002

the timing is bad because they decide to sue on the eve of their maiden album and tour, as if the publicity of this action will help explain to fans what happened to guns n roses. I can see the suit's inclusion in the BTM special as some tacky tacked on narration over the last 30 seconds. The press will eat up the lawsuit and most likely we will see it referenced in every VR article in the run up to the album/tour. This shit should have been handled years ago instead of waiting for the crest of media attention.

People aleady know what happened to Guns N Roses. Axl has made them a joke.....

the timing is bad because they decide to sue on the eve of their maiden album and tour, as if the publicity of this action will help explain to fans what happened to guns n roses. I can see the suit's inclusion in the BTM special as some tacky tacked on narration over the last 30 seconds. The press will eat up the lawsuit and most likely we will see it referenced in every VR article in the run up to the album/tour. This shit should have been handled years ago instead of waiting for the crest of media attention.


Stop your whining, ole the timing is bad. If Axl would release something......something, or do something, full 100%, we would not be having this discussion.

Here's something for all you conspiracy theorists.  Maybe Dave is secretly a Velvet Revolver fan.  Knowing that many people on the board despise his relentless Axl-worship, he decides to use that to help promote the VR album.  People will buy the record just to spite his apparent boycott attempt.  Hmm...

hmmm.... i doubt it. The nightmare that is davegnfnr2k has been terrorizing our eyes for way too long to be a smart promotional tactic

Its sad, but unfortunately this kid really believes the diarhea that he hurls through his keyboard

Wow, it's amazing how some of you digress and personally attack somebody like dave whose opinion does not agree with yours. It's quite embarrassing to read some of these posts, and they generally fall along party lines, namely those siding with VR. I really hope Chinese Democracy sees the light of day and proves alot of you wrong; but i guess what will happen is that it will open up more opportunities for the proliferation of negativity that springs from VR, Slash, and Duff. It's a damn shame you can't live and let live. I don't plan on buying (Contra)Band because it don't care for what I hear. Add in the maliciousness of a lawsuit and my affinity for these old guys have diminished significantly, as well as their fans. Some of you should seriously focus on the positives and enjoy the fact that you have music. Axl isn't negatively effecting your enjoyment of this new band in the same manner Slash and Duff are hurting nuGnR's chances of appearing this year.  If you enjoy VR, great. I'm very happy for you, but show a little respect for christ's sake.

Why don't you follow your own advice and focus on the positives, if you can find any. Why are you so focused on the negativity you claim that springs from VR? If you don't enjoy the music that is fine, but don't let something as silly as a lawsuit cloud your judgment. It's not like they are disappointing you at every turn, but I digress.

People aren't attacking Dave for having a differing opinion. People are attacking Dave for acting like a 11 year old teenybopper blinded by their idol worship. I don't have a problem with him being against the lawsuit, but it's beyond ridiculous to try and start a boycott because someone messes with his idol, especially when he tries it  on a board that supports the group he is boycotting.

Half of us agree with Axl... Half with Slash.... Both are very talented. No one disagrees with that.

Look at what they accomplished...

VR can be a new leaf...... but

WE MUST JOIN TOGETHER TO BOYCOTT ADDLER'S APPETITE.

Boycott ADDLER'S APPETITE...

He is living off his 15 mins, with washed up musicians. I am glad his US tour messed up. Change Names

COKE'D up Steven is ruining AFD greatest. I have seen Kareoke better then Steven.

Christ, will you lay the hell off Steven?  In the whopping four posts to your name, this is the third damn post you've dedicated your stupid "boycott Steven" crap, all in completely unrelated threads.  And you can't even spell "Adler" correctly to boot.

And if you're going to insult Steven, try to do better than the hackneyed, cliched "coked up" (even though you didn't spell that right either).

This is a arwful thread.
This gnr2k comes here on a ''Velvet Revolver' forum, where all the people will buy this album, it is quite obviouse it is HE who is   inciting trouble and not simply    'expressing a  opinon'  
Idiot.

It is pretty obviouse everyone here except 1 or 2 will buy it

So then I guess it's not possible for someone to come on the VR board and criticize these guys? We should all revel in their magnificance and masturbate to their every note?

such hypocrisy here. I remember seeing alot of you on the GnR board trashing that band left and right, posting threads that ripped the music and the man, yet you were allowed to set up discussion pieces. Dave comes here, rightfully criticizes the timing of their suit and what do you guys do? you trash HIM! and then say he brought it upon himself???

Some of you should take a whiff of what you're shoveling.

Seriously, you VR fans have to learn that Slash, Duff, Matt, Scott and the other guy are not the saviors of rock, perhaps bland rock, but that's for another thread. there will be people who don't like them.

who cares if he wants people to boycott this album, it's not like he's gonna ruin their careers. my take on this is that it's a stupid move of duff and slash to sue axl now, no doubt it's for publicity. and if not, they are even stupider than i thought. they sold axl the rights to the name and thus he has some control over the songs... he DID write alot of the guns n' roses material. and if they were to drunk or stoned to realize what they did, well, their bad. i know i wouldn't throw my songs around to random movies and such. after all, axl is the only original member left in the band, PLUS he owns the name guns n' roses, so it's only fair that he gets to make descisions regarding the songs. personally i don't really care about velvet revolver. good for them, but nothing more. i kinda lost some respect for duff and slash and i don't like scott weiland, plus i find the music they have released so far boring.

I dont know if this has been asked yet but I also dont feel like going through all 10 pages of this thread  :hihi:  Dave, how are Slash and Duff "fucking over" Axl?  They are making music because its what they like to do, how is this fucking over Axl?  I suppose when Axl went on tour he was "fucking over" Slash and Duff, right?  Immaturity reigns.

I personally have no problem with him criticizing VR. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion even if they are blinded by their loyalty. However, it's just stupid to attempt to organize a boycott on a VR board. How many people on this board did he think would go along with him?

FYI, Dave didn't come here to post about the boycott, I moved the thread here.  :P



/jarmo

there is such a huge buzz for this album. everyone is spreading the word. i know tons of people here in philly that are gonna buy it.

and i plan to buy several copies to give to friends that won't buy it. just to support these guys!!!

the Summer of Velvet Revolver has begun!!!!

Criticism?
''boycott'' thats harldy constructive  critisism is it?

Stupidiy, music is bought if you like it or not.

So if Gary Glitter writes a kick ass record from his Thailand prison cell, you would buy it?

Doesn't an artist's reputation, credibility, and likeability play a huge roll in drawing consumers?

I think pulling out this lawsuit at this time is pure balls; in fact, it's designed to kick axl in his proverbial man package. Bullshit move and demonstrates an incredible lack of class.

Let me answer this, its easy.
Why is it that I am an idiot for making a post like this on a VR board, yet there are tons of people on the gnr board that are always bashing Axl and the new band?
People like you crack me up, can you say hypocrite?

I find it funny that all the Axl bashers and new gnr hates love the anti axl and anti new gnr theads yet the second there is a negative thing said about slash or vr they do off the deep end.  ::)

This coming from a person who blindly supports a musician who cannot keep a band together, cannot string together a tour, and cannot release an album. Let's not forget that this person has known to be abusive to fans (both physically and verbally), abusive to women, and has ripped off people he has worked with in the past. You sure do nothing but support model citizens.

I guess you're right, VR are destroy all their credibility by fighting for songs they helped create. They are just as horrible as that pedophile, Gary Glitter. Thank you for showing me the light.  ::)

huh? I don't think you know how to read. Reread or try to read your previous post and my response and tell me what you missed.

Oh yes, I blindly support losers since I have selective amnesia. You sure are a perceptive bloat. Perhaps I can offer you some advice: get a brain, learn how to read and reason before replying to me again.

Your litany of axl abuses is quite thorough, but very few are fact. Since no one has spoken up about the tour and the album, we don't know exactly what is going on. It's easier to blame crazy axl as you have chosen to do. Even if he couldn't handle the pressure, why does this demonize him? He's obviously someone who suffers from depression and paranoia but this doesn't make him a bad person. Millions of people live with these problems every day. Does that make them bad people? I doubt seriously axl was wringing his hands, laughing at all the fans who were anxiously waitng for that philly show. The reason he didn't show was probably due to some physical and mental breakdown. Axl has a very fragile pscyhe.

But of course axl abuses women. Why? well he was sued by two ex's and of course a women has never tried to sue a past partner to get back at him for a fucked up relationship?!? A woman has never struck a man, cheated on a man, and fucked over their partner?!? Also, a woman has never cried rape to get back at an ex?!? Every civil allegation is a mirror of the truth?!?  Don't be so naive. Learn some facts before brandying about innuendo. No one knows the facts of the case and why it was settled. Not me, not you.

And oh yes, axl rips off and abuses those around him. Sure, right. Wasn't Axl the person who let Adler come back, gave him some of his publishing rights to come back, then was sued by said individual? But of course axl was doing the ripping off.

this all presupposes that slash and duff are angels too. They never had drug issues, bad relationships, committed adultery, or whatever. But I don't blame them for this behavior because there is a standard of behavior which which rockstars are allowed. As long as the actions are criminal, it's their lives. Let them screw it up if they will

this lawsuit  however is a cleverly constructed yet malicious, publicity driven attempt to add a clever endnote to the BTM documentary; an attempt to villify axl and explain why these guys have been away so long. Of course it has nothing to do with a pile of stank solo albums. It is an attempt to cover up the truth.  If they are legally right, then this issue should have been handled years ago. If they just discovered it now, then they should seek the required acknowledgement of their rights and move on. This is not in Slash and Duff's character though, they must seek millions of dollar to whom they feel  that they are owed.

No this isn't correct.  Steven sued the entire band, not just Axl.  Furthermore, you're distorting two separate stories.  

Firstly, Steven demanded writing credit for AFD and GNRL because the rest of the band received it even on songs they didn't all write together.  For instance, "Think About You" was written solely by Izzy.  But if you read the writing credits on AFD, the entire band is credited.  Apparently, Steven was left out when the writing credits were originally formulated, because as Axl says "he didn't write one goddamn note".  But the rest of the band also didn't contribute to certain songs here and there (a la "Think About You") but they all got credit for them anyway.  So Steven's logic was the he should too, and that's a valid enough argument.

Secondly, Steven sued the band because they not only fired him, but deprived him of his publishing, playing, and merchandise royalties for the first two albums.  They just handed him about $2,000 and told him to get lost, like he never existed.  He sued them to get the money back that they owed him for every CD sold, every GNR t shirt sold, etc. and to regain the rights to future sales of said items and the like.  And obviously, he had a solid case, because the jury agreed with him and ruled in his favor.

I have to admit...........I wouldn't come to these boards if killing vector and davegnr2k didnt' post here. Their posts are absolutely hilarious, especially when dave makes fun of slash's beer gut, and killing vector comes up with philosophical posts. Keep up the good work guys.

Can't wait to see VR in 2 weeks at 9:30 club

WOAH, I never thought of that..

Velvet Revolver is a new band. There is no reason to post here if you don't like the fucking band..People (myself included) would go to the GnR boards because there were always posts about the old members. Also because Guns N Roses at one time was my favorite band and Axl keeps dragging the name in the dirt. To tell you the truth when I first started posting I was happy to see Axl come back and supported him. It seemed as though he had changed. Turned out he is worse than ever...... If he wants to release shitty music under a different band name thats cool. Do it as GNR and there are problems..

Thanks Dizzy for clearing that up. I was going by the Over the Top book by Putterford which carries Axl's description of the Adler suit which is ALOT different from the depiction you have given.

Tomass, is this a 'if you don't like it, get off the board' post? Now, i don't see you too much on the Guns boards so perhaps my next comment isn't directed toward you but if the anti nu GnR people refrain from slamming the new band in the vile, debasing manner with which they pen their responses then I will remove myself from this forum. But i would rather that these forums be open enough to empower the thoughts of both camps in a mature manner.

Now, next comment, If you find my posts so funny, i'm happy. I am also happy that you like VR. Go with it, I won't deprive anyone of their happiness. What I won't stand for is the senseless criticism and bashing of Mr. Rose and anyone who is actually looking forward to this lost album. There is quite a double standard here, some VR fans are quite cruel to the new band and its fans while any criticism of VR is met with 'get off the board' or worse comments that ooze with insult, viciousness, and bias. If nuGnR fans can take the criticism then VR fans should be stand up enough to take it maturely as well. Since all music is subjective, the spirit of the debate should bring us closer, but lawsuits, boycotts, and insults have divided the guns n roses community. And it has happened.

Just to prove that i am an upright fellow, I will buy (contra)band the first day it comes out and give an objective review on the music and not the men. I would hope that when the day comes for CD to be released (knock on wood), you all would do the same. Helll, it's alot better than a new Bizket CD.

you might think slash & duff fucked over axl,but don't forget how many times axl fucked over you and his fans and you don't wanna talk about it,please stop lickin'
axl's butt,you've been doing that for 3 years now,what you should do is get ready to buy one hell of a good album coming up on june 4 instead of comin' here to post nonsense.            cheers :beer:

It's been atleast 4 years...

killingvector, my point obviously went way over your head.  You're acting like this lawsuit has destroyed VR's credibility. I'm trying to point out that you have no problems with following someone else who has credibility issues yet you continually point out something that shouldn't have anything to do with Vr's credibility. I know neither band is perfect, but I don't understand how you can always give one the benefit of the doubt after all the disappointments but you dismiss the other for fighting for the songs they helped create. It makes you look silly.

Exactly, I dont think it applies to just killing vector, there are a number of people here who need ask themselves the questions you just asked vector

"killingvector, my point obviously went way over your head."

Honestly, there is nothing that you could write that would go over my head. Don't give yourself too much undeserved credit.

And yes, Slash and Duff's credibility has been damaged by this lawsuit, because of its timing and the damages it seeks. At least in my eyes.  I make distinctions between private lives and public lives; it's impossible to know what happens in one's private life exactly there judgements are pending. But this suit is very public and divisive. I really think they should have handled this suit differently.

Not everything I mentioned was private, but that's not the point.  The point is you have no problem with giving Axl the benefit of the doubt, which is perfectly fine, but then you turn around and jump to your own conclusions about Velvet Revolver. It's hard to take anything you say seriously when you are so clearly biased.

Did you ever stop to think that just maybe Slash and Duff just want the rights to their songs? Did you ever stop to think that just maybe their accusations are true? I agree that the timing of their law suit is suspect, but we don't know the real story behind it so stop trying to pretend like you do know what is going on.

If the situation was reversed and Axl decided to sue them around the time CD was to be released, would you think that hurt his credibility and decide not to buy CD? Of course not. You just don't like the fact that your hero is being sued and decided that the plantiffs must be bad people for suing him.

I would like to buy the fuckin' album, in my oppinion the boycott of the album was absolutely childish ...

I'm new here

I like both VR and GnR. Slash and Duff are smart. They seen what sueing Geffen did for the Greatest Hits CD. It gave the cd tons of free publicity. Even though it didnt hit #1 in the states it still sold a lot, not to mention how it sold throughout the world, when most GnR true fans already had all the songs (except SFTD).

Slash and Duff now need to keep they argueing and lawsuit fresh and in the news. It only helps hype their new CD and in return boost sales.

Just like how Scott keeps his name in the news.  Nothing is better then free publicity.

We can just hope VR sells very well for Rock's Sake and For Slash's sake, because its depressing to see Rap dominate the charts.

What publicity has this gotten them?  A small MTV.com news brief and some message board buzz?  Theyve done nothing to publicize this case, so theres no reason to believe that publicity was in any their motivation.

Gary Glitter looked at  Child Porn which  uses and abuses innocent children.
Slash and Duff are declaring a lawsuit over a band and songwriting credits they were 'involved' in.
Bit of a differance
Your attemps to potray Slash and  Duff as the manson family are lame.

Face facts, they are many fans who would prefer the name 'Guns N' Roses' to rest in Slash's palm, these are the same fans who see this lawsuit as a just andfair procedure.


I am not even the biggest Slash fan ,  I prefer Duff.
Were you not the same person who was sucking Bucketheads balls the last few years ago?
''Buckethead blows slash away''
Be done with you

"Gary Glitter looked at  Child Porn which  uses and abuses innocent children.
Slash and Duff are declaring a lawsuit over a band and songwriting credits they were 'involved' in.
Bit of a differance
Your attemps to potray Slash and  Duff as the manson family are lame. "

You're an idiot.

I wasn't comparing slash and duff to Glitter or the Manson family. The question was whether an artist's reputation can affect  whether people buy the albums. I gave Glitter as an extreme example. Never have i equated what Slash and Duff are doing to child pornography. Only someone with a swiss cheese brain would mix up the two.

I am not biased. You are condeming axl based on innuendo. What happened in Philly? Do you have any first hand account of why he didn't show up? did he have a breakdown or just didn't show up? NO ONE KNOWS. DON'T ASSUME. what happened during the Everly-Seymour court case? what was proven? No? Personal lives are personal, very few are given the access to what happens behind closed doors. Are there rational explanations to these events? I don't know and really don't care. It's not my business.

What does bother me is when one side tries to sabotage the other. This lawsuit may have merit, i admit that; after one read, i was quite concerned for axl's livelihood. It looks really bad for him. What I don't appreciate is the timing of the suit and the excessive damages sought for transgressions in which slash and duff were ignorant of their rights. Don't reward ignorance. If they deserve the rights, fine, that is ok with me. But they should have decided to do this quietly, well outside of the publicity machine driving VR now.

As i said earlier, I will buy the VR album. I would done it if i hadn't read the brief; but in lieu of that, I see a case although their aim for axl's juggular is quite vindicative. But that's me.

If you don't agree...fine. I respect that. But I do not respect people laughing, insulting, and berating me and others for their opinions. this is a messageboard, a place for mature discussion. Leave the childishness at home.

You mean like assuming that the timing of this case has anything to do with publicity...?  : ok:


 :'(


Youre the one constantly talking about it...they havent said one word.

Regardless, assuming they do deserve the rights, they should wait even longer so that it doesnt appear to simple-minded, conclusion-jumping conspiracy theorists that theyre doing it for publicity?  Sounds like some people are a little out of touch with reality...



 : ok:

Agh I only want Duff and Slash to win the lawsuit and maybe they will release some cool DVDs or unreleased tracks or whatever. They will use the old catalog way better than Axl cuz he seems so against giving us cool shit to enjoy.  :peace:

I have to say I agree.  And its not about Slash/Duff Vs. Axl thing, or seeing Axl "get his"...not for me.  Its what I think will be most beneficial for fans...And to reach this conclusion, two comments come to mind:

"If I had my way, Id put out the rough tracks for Use Your Illusions without all the overdubs." - Slash on Virgin Superstars Radio a couple of months ago.

And Duffs comment about the tour footage that fans would like to see.

I feel that Slash and Duff would be more aware and willing to provide fans with stuff theyd like to see than Axl has been.

That would be so awesome. Appetite has withstood teh test of time because of it's raw honesty. The Illusions in my opinion were tarnished by Axl over doing everything.

I have a few of the demos, they are pretty cool

"I feel that Slash and Duff would be more aware and willing to provide fans with stuff theyd like to see than Axl has been."


I think it's actually pretty cool GnR isn't overexposed. Personally I don't need to hear WTTJ or PC in some lame comedy. The instances they did appear, save The Dead Pool, have been pretty lame. Even Oh My God, a song I enjoyed, was decidedly out of place in End of Days; I guess Satan loves nuGnR to screw to.

I would look forward to the concert footage though. I don't know what has been holding that up.

Without taking sides, I'd say Axl is probably holding that up. I mean why would he want to release footage of the old band when he has put so much effort towards a new GN'R line-up?

Maybe this lawsuit will help Slash & Duff have more say in that old stuff being released, which is all the better for us fans. :beer:

I wonder if he loses the suit, whether he scraps the name. Duff and Slash could possibly mass release tons of old GnR materials while the new band is gearing up for an album or tour (i'm in somewhat of a fantasy world right now in which there is a Chinese Democracy album on the horizon). It would be quite confusing to have two bands called GnR on the market which. since they appear to be quite different in sound, could undermine the record..



I would actually prefer that he rename this band if he does lose the rights. Let the old band ride off into the horizon and start fresh. This could however initiate some legal hassles with the label who were promised a new GnR record.

That's a good point, killing vector. I wonder what would happen if they did win. I mean, would they need his permission to use the name or what? It would be a bizarre seeing two Guns N Roses releasing material. Although, it could benefit Axl because the old material would keep a buzz on GNR going.

would it really benefit or perhaps hinder them? I am operating under the impression that this new record would be a sizeable departure from the old GnR; there maybe alot of confused people out with CDs and DVDs of different GnRs in the bin. of course a comparison is inevitable.

I guess it could go either way. The hype of old GNR would keep the name out there and perhaps more would become interested in the new band, but it could also keep the notion alive that this band is not GNR. It will be interesting to see how this unfolds.

We are talking more about maybe a scrapbook of live performances on DVD and shit. We don't care about soundtracks. And GnR has been i alot more movies than EOD and TDP.  Also Paradise City was in some cheesy comedy movie already. It was some lame movie and some kid was lip syncing it at a party. It was a really a bad movie. Axl isn't keeping these songs from movies for integrity, it is mostly so his ex-band mates don't get a cut. Thats why he wanted to re-record Jungle for Blackhawk Down.

That all sounds good to me...