Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Got this from Dust N' Bones, not really anything major or official, but somone mentioned that they are doing it right now, if it's true it is probably going to be out in time for velvet revolvers release.  Don't know if axl is even in it, but i would think that would be pretty dumb if they don't have any new interviews with axl. can anyone confirm or deny this? anyone else heard about it?

Axl giving an interview, that only happens once every few years.

   :confused:     Just when I have finally convinced myself to not pay attention to any rumors.  

It would be awesome if this were true, but I don't know that Axl would agree for the show to air in time for VR's release.  Wouldn't it be better for him to have the show air in time for CD's release instead?  

Maybe after the GH thing bringing them together to forge afront against Geffen , may be they would do it to mutally benifits eaches new endevour :nervous:

maybe they're doing it to coincide with CD release......remember Axl saying (without going into details) or some shit.......doubt it tho.....

However-Kurt Loder is the only man allowed to interview him as well.

VH1 is owned by Viacom-which also owns MTV...Loder is employed at MTV...Probably not, but you never know.

They CAN do the show without Axl. It won't be as good without him, but they can do it. If anything, all the other members showing up for a show about GNR and not him will continue to make him look like a baby. I can totally see Slash and them wanting to do this as a way of re-connecting themselves with GNR and getting their name back out there. It is a very smart decision if this is true.

I'm not sure they can...legally...at least if they have any intention of using "official" material (concert footage, videos, etc).  Axl owns the GnR trademark, so it might be dicey.  At best, it's a grey area, and, quite frankly, I don't think MTV/Viacom/VH1 would think it was worth doing without Axl.  I mean, what would be the point?

I've got a friend who works at RCMH, and he's worked with the MTV production staff a bunch of times, now.  I'm going to contact him and see if he can pry any info out of them about this...

I love the behind the music shows and always wished that there was one for GNR.  This would be awesome!  : ok:

I agree i love to watch these shows on the bands that interest me and i think they could make a GNR one the best Behind The Music of all time...Everyone would tune in..I hope its true

Why? ???


What's the difference anyway? :o

I say release everything right now. :nervous:

Why the fuck not? ???

The bottom line right now is releasing anything at all, is better than what we've all been getting.

Which is pretty much nothing except continuing bullshit and complete fuck-arounds. :rant:

Right?????  ::)

Actually I bet Axl would participate. BTM would be a huge spike for sales if he actually deigns to release this ridiculous album, and his participation in the show would only increase that effect.

There is no way Axl would agree to do a Behind The Music.  Especially since a great deal of the band's troubles paint him in a very bad light.  Whether they could go ahead and do it without him, I don't know.  It seems with the lawsuit though that Slash and Duff were trying to get on Axl's good side, I don't think the band would want anything divisive right now.  I don't know that Izzy would agree to do it either.  Steven Adler?  You know he'd be there with bell's on.  

Geez, it'd have to be a 4-hour special, as much as GNR's been through...

I thought I remember way back that Behind the Music tried to get them to do it but Slash and Axl said they never would do one.  Maybe they changed thier minds.  But I doubt it, I really don't think this would happen.  I think that these former bandmates just hate each other too much to do it and they would have a hard time talking about what had happened.

They did say that, but here's to hoping that they changed their minds!  ;D

A lot of other bands have done this after they split...

Where's pilferk? Hopefully he'll be back with some good news - we need it!  :yes:

True, from what I remember.

1) Axl was supposedly asked to do one after the Metallica BTM was done.  He flatly refused (from what I've heard/read/etc) and told them there was no way GnR was going to do one as long as he was alive. That's the "rumor" anyway.

2) Now, this part is fact.  Slash was doing an interview on a show...I swear it was the Man show, but I could be wrong (old age, and all that)...and the host (again, I swear it was Kimmel) asked him if he'd ever consider doing a BTM for GnR.  Slash said he'd never do one, and never be involved if they did do one, because he felt it violated the "spirit of Guns n Roses".

Edit:I haven't heard a word back from my friend.  Prolly busy.  If I hear anything this weekend, I'll be sure to post.  Given it's a "holiday" weekend (Good Friday) for many people (like ME!), there's a chance he may not hear anything, so I may not hear from him, til Monday!

Well that sure put a damper on my short lived party.  :(

Both those things happened quite awhile ago....the Axl rumor is at least 4 or 5 years old, I think (when did the Metallica BTM air?).  The Slash interview took place at least a couple of years ago, from what I remember..maybe even a bit longer....certainly before VR formed.  Either one, or both, could have changed their minds.

The Metallica Behind The Music came out to coincide with the release of "St. Anger" if I remember correctly.

I doubt it'll ever happen, because what's the point if neither Axl or Slash want to be interviewed?  That's what makes the show worth watching, interviews and retrospective insight from band members.  A BTM show without the two most recognizable members of GNR would be as bad as that godawful Sex, Drugs, and Rock n Roll DVD.

And VH-1 can air one without Axl's or Slash's consent, if they own the broadcast rights to certain GNR footage.

I don't think Axl and Slash hate each other, they just hate working with each other.

Not sure why personal animosity would interefere in a BTM.

To be honest i would prefer one interview with Axl where he gives a release date.

Maybe a BTM series!!! 50 episodes: First one about the early stages and the AFD era,second one about the UYI era,and the other 48,well...

Why would Slash care now? he's in a new band with albums to push.

My biggest fear is a huge expose on Axl's 'ego' and his inability to do anything with the CD album.  All this without Rose's interviews.

As for Guns footage, i think they could dig up enough festival footage (Freddie Merc, Rio....)to make a 60 min special.

You'd think axl would love to do one of these, then he get say what he has to say to set himself straight. Unless he knows theres no way he can do that because most things are true?

I heard that too, i hope they make it it'd be awesome :peace:

I saw an Elton John BTM,and after showing the Freddie Mercury tribute concert performance with Axl,Elton said:"Axl,I know you've been doing some gigs,but it's time to release that album"

It would be amazing if Axl where to sit down with VH1 and do a proper interview, how long has it been since he's done an interview like that?  It was good to hear him talk after the VMA's but that was hardly an in depth interview.

It would be better if they waited till CD was released before they did the show because those shows always follow the same plot.  A band is successful, they have problems but they get through it and start making music again.  CD would be a good ending for it.

Here's the response from my friend:

"asked around. nobody i talked to has heard about it. probably not true."

To clear this up: the Metallica BTM came out in either 1998 or 1999. I remember that the last item covered in the show was either "Garage, Inc." or "S&M" (however if they even covered "S&M", it was very brief).

Hope this helps in some way. Although it looks like the GNR BTM is probably not true. ???

Lies! The shocking Truth!

I used to live in Lafayette, IN and I worked at a record store in which Axl used to shop at, Shannon Hoon too.  Anyway, VH1 called the owner in the spring of 03 and wanted to interview him about Axl being from IN and all that jazz.  Long story short, VH1 never showed for the interview, they called back and rescheduled and didn't show again.  

CD will probably come out first. :yes:

Listening to Camp Freddy Radio, Dave Navarro mentioned he filmed a segment for it 2 days ago...

Matt said he was not asked to participate..

That's pretty awesome. I wonder when it will air? I'm assuming it will probably air timed around VR's release. If they have Navarro, I wonder if it's gonna be about the early day's when Jane's and GN'R were coming up together or if it's gonna be about his time with Axl? Maybe or probably both, I'd be interested to here what the rest of you think about that. MY only concern is, If Axl won't do it, it's not really worth doing, and would be a bad move on axl's part, they could talk all they want about him. But I highly doubt axl would want to help promote VR's new album.

They actually played "Oh My God", which Dave mentioned he played guitars on.  

Dave said Axl would call the studio and from the speakerphone he'd tell Dave to "play with more feeling"..

That said, Dave at one point he almost accepted Axl's offer to play in the band back in 92-93. ...Matt confirmed Axl's facination with Navarro and Janes Addiction, during the UYI days, Axl had Janes posters plastered all over his dressing room..

Matt said he hated "Oh My God" at first because he wasn't in the band, but since then it had grown on him, especially likes the guitars..

Thats great, not having matt involved at all. Whats next, slash not being mentioned?

hmm.. That's one thing I haven't heard that sounds kind of odd. No wonder it's taking so long if that's the way things are in the studio.

Not sure about who else is involved in BTM, but for the most part they spoke very positively about GNR, a few jabs at Axl, nothing too personal though.

Matt said he and Axl used to have "so much fun" it was it was insane.  He said the memories are "surreal"..

Heyyy now...

wasn't there a rumor awhile ago about how a GNR BTM would coincide with chinese democracy? i doubt it has much to do with vr as matt wasn't asked to contribute. I wonder if Slash, Duff or Izzy had any part in this. interesting....

Isn't this show on 103.1 in los angeles? Too bad its just out of my range to pick up.

You'd have to say this was a good move by VR, too bad the new gn'r have no idea how to market a band. Axl won't even probably have any say in this one, but I just can't imagine him not being on a GN'R behind the music, that's criminal. Can't wait for this though, even if i wasn't a fan of gn'r, i'd probably watch this one, probably one of the more interesting band's story wise.

They stream the audio..here you go..

http://indie1031.fm/

Is Camp Freddy's show over?

Yes..

To clarify, Matt said he hadn't been asked "yet" to participate so let's not jump to any conclusions..

On a side not not,CF Radio is hysterical, great stories from Matt
on the old GNR days, both Billy Morrison and Matt have tons of Cult anecdotes and Navarro is amazing, great stories of the underground days in LA..

It's a must listen..

I need to listen every week now

So do we know if Axl is going to participate?

When was this?  If this is true, then that's amazingly FUCKED UP.  Axl obviously had to approve this, but I never thought he would.  I thought it would take away from the new band, but after seeing the Greatest Hits success, maybe he changed his mind. :-\

Tonight.

Its pretty legit, one of my friends called me and was like dude I heard Oh My God on the radio today. And I was like tapping the bottle early tonight, and he's like no I'm serious.

Wow.  That rocks then.  I was against the idea of a Behind The Music, but I'll take whatever GNR I can get at this point.


I really hope that it is done well though.  Because remember, if this is the first experience for new fans out there, it will shape their view of the band.  First impressions are very important, and this is risky.  I hope it is an epic story.  I hope it is moving.  I hope it really shows what GNR was and how big they were.  It better be atleast 2 hours long.  If it is any less, than it will be impossible to tell the true story in its entirity.

axl is GNR and he isnt on the GNR behind the music?

to me it seems axl could sue them and serve a cease and desist and that show will forever be in the can

axl owns the gnr name so theres no way anyone can do a show like that without his consent

I think you misunderstood.  There is no way they could do this without Axl and his permission.  IMPOSSIBLE.  So yeah, Axl is involved.

so lets get the rumors flying

if axl is involved it is cause chinese democracy is coming out

he will do behind the music to explain his side of what happened to GNR in hope of everyone accepting NEW GNR

lets all start getting excited

i want to see 10 pages by the time i wake up tomorrow of posts!

Yes, it's definitly an indication of Chinese Democracy's imminent release.  Absolutely.  Now, will they show it before the release, or after the release?  That is the question.  If they show it before the release, then they are using it as promotion, but it could hurt the new band (unless they have the new band and it's mini story in the BTM).  But then again, maybe it wouldn't hurt the new band because look at the Greatest Hits album?  The old band's history could be used to boost the new band's success.  If they show it after the release, then the release of CD will boost the ratings of the BTM to massive levels.  And if it gets massive ratings, then everybody wins:  VH1, The old band, and the new band!(and possibly VR down the line).

I really don't see how he could sue.  If he could, then why would he allow GnR to be on shows all those other shows on Vh1 where they bash him.

 :no:


 :confused:

How do you figure that?

You think Courtney Love consented to Kurt & Courtney, a movie that basically accused her of murder?  You think Axl consents to the VH1 segments dedicated to his hair extensions and alleged plastic surgery?  You think every E! True Hollywood Story subject consents to the show?  Come on...Axl couldnt even stop his own record company from releasing that album.

The fact that the show has already begun filming indicates that its going to happen.  The people at VH1 arent dumb, they check this kind of stuff before making these programs.

Ill be glad to see it, its a great story.  Of course Axl wont participate...not sure about the others.  I think the only way Axl would possibly participate is if the other members had no part of it and he had editorial control.  

Hopefully this airs sometime around the release of Contraband, and if not, hopefully Chinese Democracy.

Someone at the GnRbar made a good point.

The fact that Sorum is not involved might be a clue that Axl is involved.  It might be one of his requests along with others for him to do the show.  If this was mainly a Slash and Duff thing, then why wouldn't they have Sorum on, their VR bandmate?

That's a great point.


Let's face it:  There can't be a BTM without Axl.  It CANNOT be pulled off.  Impossible.  I don't even think the other members would ever do a BTM without Axl.  They know this as well.

It can, it would just be very stupid, that's why the more I think about it, the more I think he will be in it. And axl would not be able to stop this show anyways if he was not in it, so he may as well say what he has to say. This is pretty sweet though.

They don't need Axl's consent whatsoever to do the show.

Jumping to conclusions like "CD release is eminent (sp)" is ridiculous.  Don't read too much into it.

Navarro said NOTHING of Axl's inclusion or exclusion, that's it.

I know speculation will run rampant, that's expected.  

Bottom line:  It's VH1's baby, the interviews they choose to do and air are their business and creative right.

So if Dave is involved then were talking about new music from the newer GN'R.  I think this is an indication of some sort of life out of Axl and his new band wanting to get out there and tear things up finally.  I seriously hope this is filmed soon and has something to do with CD, I want the wait to end!

if they are interviewing dave navarro about the new gnr lineup and his work with them early on, then clearly VH1 has no input from anyone in the guns n roses camp.

just think about his logically, we are on the verge of a major release from Velvet Revolver. They are most likely putting this together as a promo for Contraband with Slash, Duff, Izzy (who knows), Steven (he'd do it) doing the play by play. There are axl interviews with MTV that could be used to show his side, but all in all this will be a piece that tears axl a new a-hole if he is not present. The riots, the cancellation, the hospitalization (rumor)......I 'll say it again, it will end with "and with Chinese Democracy still no where in sight, Slash, Duff, and Matt have moved on and are on the eve of VR's premiere album......"

I guess it all depends if Axl is involved or not. If he is I'd bet CD will be released soon after. BTM is a great AD for buying new music CDs.

They always seem to end with "And with their new CD coming out next month, they feel like they've never been better." (Cut to musician talking)  :hihi:

Again, DON'T read too much into this regarding CD or anything VR related.  

It'sa merely a pseudo rocKumentary on a band.  That's it, nothing more, nothing less.

It's no different than A&E doing a "Biography" on someone whose heyday was years ago and how time has treated them
since..

that's where i would have to disagree with you. I don't think i have ever seen a behind the music premiere during a time when a band had nothing going on. Look back on all of the episodes, almost all of them, except the ones from the dead people, and sometimes even those were premiered to some sort of release. I am 100 percent sure this will be a marketing thing, however i am 99 percent sure it will not be marketing something of axl's. This will more than likely be out by the time vr's album drops in my opinion.

"The Cult's" BTM premiered in January of '02, a month after their tour ended promoting their 2001 release "Beyond Good and Evil" and 10 months prior to their DVD release "Music Without Fear".
Interviews were done in August of 2001 for that episode for a premier 5 months later.  

Navarro did his 2 days ago so do the math, we're looking at something in August or September at the earliest if history has anything to do with it...

we have been hearing about this behind the music for a couple of months now, they are probably about finished, but usually they do premiere in support of something, and i think it will be for vr's album, but i could be wrong. :yes:

Who knows, it's good news no matter when it gets out...

I just can't wait to see if they have any never before seen stuff or what not. We haven't had a show devoted to gn'r on mtv or vh1 for a long while, certainly nothing like behind the music. We just might hear some stuff we never heard before. i wonder when the last time show was all about gn'r? I know they have lots of foreign shows devoted to gn'r, but you usually only see gn'r as short little mentions on mtv and vh1, shows where they show other people talking about gn'r but not much of the band saying anything. And the interviews with izzy will kick ass because besides axl, he's the least heard of member.

im thinkin for axls part they may use old interviews around the illusion era or whatever that he gave

anyone ever seen that "driven" show?

other people tell the artists side, so i say someone will be the designated axl side of the story guy if he doesnt participate

great point about matt, if axl isnt involved u would think he'd be on there

i wonder if steven is going to be on there?

I think axl would be a fool to not particapate. And the more I think about it the more I think he will, my only doubt is that he would not do it if it was timed around a VR release, I think if Falcon is right, then we might see axl, and it probably means he's ready to release CD. But if the interviews and such are basically done by now and it's going to air when VR's cd comes out, I really doubt axl would do it. But remember his press release after buckethead left? Those details he wasn't going to get into? This could be one of those, maybe.

At this point I doubt that this has anything to do with promoting Velvet Revolver because at this stage Matt hasn't been asked to participate. I think they would have got in touch with him before they started filming if that was the case.

My first posts, yay!

That's a good point. Would be nice to hear if mysteron knows about this, he's been in seclusion for quite awhile now.

That was the very first thing a thought of. Maybe we will see a BTM without Slash, Duff, Izzy, Steven, Matt and Gilby.  >:(

Great news can't wait.

As much as i prefer steven adler, i'm a bit annoyed that matt wasn't involved, when matt was in the band he was as much a member as slash or duff

if axl is not involved vh1 might not get permission to use gnr music on it.

If Axl isnt on, they really are going to tear him apart...


and ill belive this show is gonna air when i see it....

You'd think that when this show was in the planning stages, all people they wanted to be involved would have been contacted before any filming started.

Therefore it seems Navarro is in it and Matt won't be.

I find it very strange that matt isn't in it. He would definately do it, so they must have a reason for not asking him. How can Slash and Duff be involved and not Matt?

Very odd things going on.

@#$%Muther

Why do you think this is a GN'R Behind The Music?


It might be a show about Axl....  ???



/jarmo

Axl..............GN'R...............some might say what's the difference [Yes D i mean you]

They already play GNR music on various other shows.  Geffen is the one who owns the master recordings, so they wouldn't need Axl's consent anyhow.

I agree with some of you and think that if this truly is a GN'R Behind the Music, Axl will most definitely be involved and it will coincide with the release of Chinese Democracy in some way.

Could VH1 do a Behind the Music without Axl's participation....sure they could. You don't need permission to air or print an editorial about someone/thing. However, you know how packed with music clips these shows are and that's where they'd run into trouble and would need the almighty Axl's authorization.

Be that as it may, I don't believe VH1 would even concider doing a Behind the Music on GN'R without Axl. Say what you want about the talent of the other members, Axl is the one who will draw the fans to this. We've heard over and over again Slash and Duff's side of the story. Axl's side (outside of a rant or two here and there) is still pretty much in the shadows (as is Izzy's). Love him or hate him, tell me you wouldn't want to hear from Axl's own lips the reason behind the break up of the greatest American hard rock band of all time? Shit, I can't remember the last televised interview he's done outside of the 30 second VMA interview.

I hope this comes to light and if it does, you know Axl will be involved and you know Chinese Democracy won't be far behind.

VH1 is owned by Viacom...who also own MTV.  Kurt Loder is the ONLY MAN IN THE WORLD who seems to be able to get an interview with Axl, and he works for MTV/VH1.

Also, when VH1 did the Megadeth Behind the Music, they had clips from The World Needs a Hero...the Deth album that was released most recent to the BTM.  They seem to always have soundclips from something recent.

I think they have given up trying to get axl for this feature and pretty much decided that slash and duff were enough coupled with archived footage of axl. Maybe toss in some scott and perhaps some steven, izzy (who knows) and they have enough to bash axl for an hour.

GnR is a great music story; i really think vh1 decided that they couldn't wait for someone who was never going to participate.

Metallica's BTM first aired the week Garage Inc. was released. Aerosmith's BTM first aired the week their latest greatest hits album (Oh, Yeah!) was released. I also believe that Brittany Spears latest album coincided with her BTM premiere.

If there's a GN'R BTM, I think we will see Chinese Democracy out soon after.  :yes:

There is now way Axl will speak on this behind the music.  For starters he will not want to give attention to the ex-members.  But mainly he will want to keep the aura of mystery that surrounds him.  I just can't picture him sitting there on camera talking about Slash and what went wrong.  I will agree that this may be something the record label wants out there timed with the release of Chinese Democracy.  However, we all know Axl and his label rarely see eye to eye.

 :o :o

Did he give any specifics?  Matt does try to be courteous - I've noticed that.  Remember when he was on the Sharon Osbourne show, and Sharon was making some remarks about Axl, but Matt defended him.

I really hope Axl participates. It might heal old wounds if they talk about the good ol' memories.  (No I am not implying a reunion), I just think it'd be nice if they were all friends again.

And Izzy better be included!!

Navarro specifically said he'd done a segment for "VH1's GNR, BTM".  

That's the only info he gave so that's all there's is to go on so far.  Whether it's true and Dave has his facts straight remains to be seen.

Again people, Matt said he had not participated, this does not mean he won't be asked to, who knows how far the interview process has gone.

As for them using GNR music within the body of the show, I wouldn't be too concerned about it.  VH1 has aired plenty of GNR music during their "When Metal Ruled the World", "The 50 Greatest Hair Bands" and "The 100 Greatest Hard Rock Bands"
shows.

As for all things GNR, I'll believe it when I"m sitting in front of the TV watching it, until then, it's tempered enthusiasm.

On a side note, Matt also mentioned how Axl got the rights to the GNR name, great story....

Def Leppard did theirs at a time when they had nothing to release.

While technically VH1 could do a Behind The Music without a band's consent, they have been giving bands a great deal of editorial control in order to secure their involvement. They are smart enough to know that a behind the music without new exclusive interviews would be a piece of shit and most people wouldn't care to see it. Using nothing but the 2 interviews Axl did with MTV to represent Axl would make VH1 look stupid and cheap.  

And why would a GUNS N' ROSES Behind the Music be used  to promote a band called VELVET REVOLVER? Sure, they both have a firearm in their name and 3 members of VR were in GN'R, but they are NOT the same band. A Behind the Music on GN'R might catch a few people's attention and inform them about VR, but it would do little to help Contraband sell.

 Not to be a jerk but axl probably wont show up for his interview anyway.

 Dont the BTM episodes end in a positive way, hopefully they will shed some light on the current situation.
  Thinizzy

how can they do a VH1 BTW on GnR in support of VR?

well, they could go with the angle that axl swindled the other members of the group out of the name, drove the band into the ground, while the real members have moved on together and now with a new singer front a group that is more GnR than the current line up boasting that moniker.

I don't agree with this portrayl, but i would think this travesty would be pumped out by VH1. That cursed VMA and US tour mess have soured MTV's regard for axl, i fear.

Could you tell us more about this?
Thanx! :)

Sure.

Matt said it was after a show back in the UYI days, typically, they were all wasted out of their minds when "lawyer types" presented them with papers to sign.  To there own detriment, they signed the documents in their impaired states and relinquished the rights to the name "Guns N Roses" soley to Axl Rose.  Matt took full responsibility for his actions and said he immediately realized that was in fact, the beginning of the end.

Matt spoke with no bitterness whatsoever although Navarro joked with Matt how turning down Axl's offer was the best professional decision he ever made.

by saying axl is gnr i mean currently axl is gnr

no way did i mean that from the old lineup he was gnr
cause i respect and know how valuable every member was

but in the present day and time GNR is axl rose

 :hihi:

Classic.

Well if they are interviewing dave I wonder if tommy,josh freese,richard,robin ,dizzy or chris will be interviewed

Normally, I would totally believe that this is a GN'R BTM which will be told from th mouths of Slash, Duff, Matt, Izzy, Steven, etc,,, everyone BUT Axl... just because that's the way Axl is - uninvolved and probably not interested in defending himself in a 5 to 1 way.

BUT the fact that Matt said that he was not asked to participate yet & the fact that he didn't mention anything else about it makes me doubt his involvement. I mean, think about it. It's been pretty much proven that BTM works with the artists to promote their work. If this was to coincide with VR's album, then why wouldn't Matt have anything more to say about it? Why would we be hearing about it from DAVE NAVARRO's mouth and not Slash or Duffs?

I believe that Axl is definitely behind this. Now... whether he changes his mind after it's taped and whether it airs or not is a-whole-nother issue.

Obviously there is more to this than meets the eye. Matt would definitely be involved if this was to be a promotion-vehicle for VR. Him not being involved is a huge hint that Axl is involved. Besides, I have a strong feeling that Axl is getting fed up with all the shit with the press and everything, and is really fixin' to let loose with his story. I have a good feeling about this one...

that sounds more like BTM on VR, not on GN'R. VH1 would look really stupid if they called it GN'R BTM.

That's a really good point. If this was a VR themed BTM, Matt would have been involved and Dave Navarro would not have been involved.

Also, it's hard to picture VR's management or publicity having the juice make this happen for their own purposes. If it were possible to do a BTM without Axl's approval it would have happened years ago. I don't even think VH1 would want to do one without Axl's involvement, apart from the issue of Axl stepping in to put the kabosh on it.

I don't understand

Why would Matt - with no claim on the GNR name at all be required to relinguish his claim to it ??? He was merely an employee of Guns N Roses.....

Also Slash tells it differently...

he says it was before a show - Axl refused to go on stage unless they signed a release saying that if they were to ever leave they would forfeit their claim to the GNR name and it would revert soley to Axl.......

Once again, VH1 doesn't need Axl's involvement, let alone approval to do a BTM episode on GNR.  His approval and participation would make for a better final product, no doubt.
But he's hardly necessary for them to produce the show.  He is absolutely powerless to stop the project, no different than the GH's legal BS...

And also, Navarro never mentioned this having anything to do with VR nor the promotion of anything VR related.

I realize we're all hungry for news and look for some sort of beacon pointing in the direction of an eminent release date for CD
but at least speculate in a logical manner and leave the conspiracy theories to Oliver Stone..

Not sure, just repeating what Matt said on the show..

Hey Izzy, was Matt ever considered a "full member" or hired gun?
I've never had clarification on that...

Well if Matt was being accurate - then he was a full blown member like Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy and Steven were.....

I have always assumed Matt was employed on a similiar basis that Finck, Fortus and that lot are - recieving a salary from the band...

Axl mentions the situation a few times but never really gives a good answer

Didnt Slash said once he would never do this type of shows??? Cant quite remember but me thinks he said it  :)
So it prolly either hsa Axl involved and new band with guys like Navarro or neither VR guys and Axl is involved... guess is a wait and see situation.

A few days ago this was posted on the NewGnr board :

 phc

Member#: 627

Usergroups: none

Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 6:56 pm    Post subject: you pricks!!!!  

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yes, i d/l it from STG and put it on ebay 1 day after i finished downloading. if i would have bought it 2 weeks before i would have sold it more fast. this means i also copied Johns setlist exactly he gave on STG. compare to my ebay auctions with always new accounts i am doing!
I DO HAVE THE ACESHIGH AND LANGLEY WEBPAGES,I CHECK THEM EVERYDAY...HELL,THE DUDE THAT RUNS ACESHIGH CONTACTS ME WHEN NEW SHIT COMES OUT!!!! I HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOREVER AND I HAVE ALOT OF THE SAME CONTACTS YOU PRICKS DO...now on a side note...this is for john...vh1 is doing a behind the music for gn'r and of course they contacted me to help out a little bit...now i told them to contact you john because that really is the right thing to do,hell you should have made the live era cd's!!!...i don't like how you have handled this whole situation but i still think gn'r deserves the right person for this show...now if you are interested,contact me at gayseller@crap.net and i'll give you the producers e-mail...i already gave her your webpage but it was down at the time...this is no bullshit this is for real...you have been giving me the blues for awhile but i still have respect for your contribution to the whole gn'r thing....

http://www.newgnr.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=4905&start=90 (http://www.newgnr.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=4905&start=90)

At the time i thought it was bs. However, maybe this guy has more info. than most of us, who knows  ::)

Well, it seems as though Dizzy won't be doing the BTM, as I just found out. That doesn't necessarily mean that it's pro or con Axl, but I just know Dizzy will not be interviewed...

what an exiting email... gayseller? loooooooooooool

well i havent seen many BTM , but i guess thay have some reputation no? so if they let Axl give his point of view and dont let Matt and the others to be in the show it would be like VH1 is taking Axl side and they will be compromising their reputation .  the show is for telling the real story of what happen behind the bands , you cant have the "Real" story if you just let Axl speak (im a huge Axl fan , but we all know what would happen).

Please explain...

"Well, it seems as though Dizzy won't be doing the BTM, as I just found out. That doesn't necessarily mean that it's pro or con Axl, but I just know Dizzy will not be interviewed... "

eh.... this would seem to mean that Axl IS NOT involved... who knows.... perhaps not even Slash, Duff, Izzy, or Steven will be included... this smells to me like its gonna be doen totally from the perspective of those 'close to' the band... but not too close...   no one who has been IN the band will be in it.  It'll be everyone else around them that will be called on for their 2 cents  :rant:

makes ya wonder what angle the show is gonna take....

I can't really go into detail, as I have with several people on here, but it's a source very close to the band, and they told me Dizzy will not be interviewed. I don't have sources as far as Mysteron, but I have a few things going on...

It's not just up to VH1. I remember reading something about how a former band member refused to be interviewed for BTM because the band had editorial control and he was afraid that the band would present the interview in a way to make him look bad. I think it was about the Megadeth BTM.

I'd prefer to hear Axl's story anyway. Slash and Matt have been all over the media saying what they have to say. There's not much new they could add. Perhaps they could get their story straight on exactly how it was they signed away their rights to the GN'R name, but that's about it.

I seriously doubt Axl would ever do a BTM.  They don't need him to anyway, they want people to talk about him, the dirt, and there's a lot to talk about.  I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that Steven Adler is in it.  Alan Niven too, I bet.  

There is a reason for this. VH1 wouldn't just do this show just because they decided to and not for any particular reason. If that was the case they could have done it at anytime. They even asked Axl and Slash at one point to be part of it but they refused so the project was scratched. So why suddenly in the year 2004 have they decided it's time for it? There is an impulsive behind this. It may be the Contraband disc,Greatest Hits,or maybe even Chinese Democracy. They want a show with good ratings and they want a quality show. The artists have to have some editorial control and I'm sure VH1 would want them to have so. Just don't forget this. There is an incentive to this whole deal and the choices are narrowing as this thread goes on. The reason for this sudden Behind the Music is what we must figure out.

As of right now all we know is Dave Navarro filmed an interview for a GNR BTM. Until the show comes out or other people confirm they are on it we have no idea what it will be about and who talks about it.

i agree with you , now it seems that Axl and Guns are popular again , more that in the past years , but im almost positive that this is not a sign for Chinese Democracy , i think theres no sign , when Axl appear at the VMA 2002 it was like the sign but nothing happen , then the tour and nothing , i think we should learn from the past and stop looking for signs , i dont think Axl has a plan for the release yet , and i dont think his wating for a big moment.

I wouldn't take this BTM to mean much, but it could mean something.  BTM's (apparently) are usually used to promote bands, but that's not always the case.

So far, it looks like neither Dizzy or Matt are involved.  Who knows, but that sounds like VH1 is just doing this on their own, probably because of the GH release, and VR, and the possibility that CD will be released this year.  That's just my guess.

Btw, as far as the "Axl demanding rights to the Gn'R name" thing goes... just to clarify, the so-called rights Axl had them sign over (which, to my understanding, he did in the way Slash indicated) didn't actually give Axl full control of the name right away.  The contracts said if any member of the band left the band, his rights would be handed over to Axl.  So, it wasn't until Duff left the band that Axl was entirely in control and had total ownership of the name.  That's why you hear conflicting stories as to when Axl gained ownership of the band.

Right now, anything related to GNR seems hot, VH1 would be crazy not to capitalize, whether any of the old or new members are involved or not. I'm almost betting this is souly a Vh1 thing. It's nice to think it has something to do with CD though.

  In my opionion this is a sign for Chinese Democracy.  First the greastist hits album and now the new album "roots of guns n roses"  comin out on june 1st. And now the Behind the Music.  I mean its as if there tryin to do this huge promotion with out lookin like there tryin to do any promoting.  Then boom I bet the album is out by fall this yr.  Why all of a sudden is all this guns n roses shit comin from everywhere there has to be a reason for it. anyways thats my thought on the whole deal.

Don't neccesarily take all these "events" as signs. First, GH was released against the will of both old and new GNR members. Secondly the Hollywood Rose thing is being put out on a label completely independent of Geffen. My bet is the VH1 thing is a cobbling of old interviews and newer ones with people who had brief associations with the name. Until Axl speaks, nothing is happening.

Dave is part of the new band/Axl project.  Why would they interview him if it has anything to do with the old band.  I think it has something to do with CD's release.  Why would they do it all the sudden just doesn't make much sense to me, anyone e-mail VH1 yet?
Took this from another board.

Josh Freese is awesome. I was and still am a bit sad the guy is out of G N' R -his drumming on Big Daddy SCOM and Oh My God rocks.

The Behind The Music episode is real interesting -I have a friend who works at VH1 and the producer he works for knows a lot of info on this. From what he last found out from her (this was about a month ago), the producers in L.A. putting it together were either going to do a visual episode of the SPIN and RS article that were written a few years ago, or do a "fair" and "non-biased" piece -but it all depended on a certain "someone's" participation to determine which way the pendulum would swing.
I dont see the latter happening, so I expect what you guys have already summarized and what my buddy told me last...-a visual of the Spin and RS articles, with comments from old managers, booking agents, club owners, bands that never got famous but were around when G N' R were playing all the clubs on The Strip (and now this is their 15 minutes), and some interview clips with Adler, Clarke...hey maybe even the 976-HORN section will make an appearance.
I expect the VH1 producers to hit the archives pretty hard -digging up the best Axl interview clips they can get from all these years to use whenever they need to.

I think they are aiming for a late July, August airing -I think new episodes of the show are starting at the end of June.

GUNS N' ROSES: VH1 Documentary To Air In June
 
 
VH1 is reportedly working on a "Behind the Music"-style documentary covering the early days of GUNS N' ROSES. Among the people that are set to contribute to the project are original members Slash, Duff McKagan and Steven Adler, plus Tom Zutaut (former A&R executive at Geffen Records), Josh Richman (video director), Teddy Andreadis (keyboard player), Dave Navarro (JANE'S ADDICTION, ex-RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS), Warren De Martini (ex-RATT), Gilby Clark (ex-GUNS N' ROSES) and Mike Clink (GNR producer). The documentary is scheduled to air first week in June, followed a week later by "The Making of Velvet Revolver", a behind-the-scenes look at how Slash and Duff's new band, VELVET REVOLVER, got constructed, from the songwriting process to the singer search and studio sessions. More information will be made available soon.  
 
Source(s): http://www.roadrun.com/blabbermouth.net/  
 
 
/jarmo

Uh oh, Axl's gonna be PISSED!!!! :nervous:

Not good, not good at all. But then again, it is blabbermouth, and they aren't that reliable.  They wouldn't know all the details anyway.  They probably just made the report out of what they heard on this site or the radio show.  They wouldn't know if Axl was participating or not.


But if Axl isn't participating, things are not going to be good.  But then again, maybe this will give Axl the hate he needs to drive him to succeed.  When you're off the streets and living in a mansion with money, it gets harder and harder to get angry with your life.  Maybe he needs this type of rage and hatred that could come from this. ???

If Axl isn't going to participate in this, and not use it to expedite the release of CD, then he is 1) Foolish and 2) Probably never going to release CD.

My two cents.

True, but not true.  Anything with an Axl writers credit (or a credit Axl was included in) they could not publish or rebroadcast without express permission.  Geffen may own the masters, but they don't "own" the actual material, itself.

HOWEVER, given there are videos of most of their well known stuff, and that MTV/VH1 has permission to play those videos, I'm not sure, legally, what Axl could do about inclusion of THAT material. Possibly nothing.

The fact of the matter is, if Axl didn't/doesn't agree to the show, they would be unable to  use any "official" GnR material that they don't already have permission to use.... the question is, though, what do they "have permission to use", at this point.  If, as I suspect, they can use all the videos (provided they show footage, not just audio), would they REALLY need any more material?

VH1 contacted some bigger collectors to get access for some more inside info and also some boots (!!). interesting fans are contacted for that, but also seems to me that there wont be unseen live material in the VH1 show, thats why they asked for boots probably.

Limulus

I am pretty sure VH1 has done this whole BTM thing enough times to know the procedure and make sure they don't get sued. We act like Axl is the only one in the world with lawyers on this board. Thankfully, I am happy that at least someone is taking advantage of the whole GNR BTM thing to promote an album. And then a making of VR the week after, that is shear marketing genius. You would have hoped it could have been GNR BTM and then the making of the New GNR, but I guess that would take too much common sense. I am just tired of seeing the great opportunities go by the way side becuase there is absolutely no album in site and everyone beats Axl to the punch. This is a major bummer. (Although it will be cool to see the VR stuff, sucks Izzy isn't participating though  :crying:)

Axl is most likely going to be pissed over this.  Especially since this is being used to promote VR.  I'm guessing this is what Slash meant by things having to be "worked out" with VH1 over their show being released.  I hope Slash and Duff have some control over the way VH1 editorialize their comments, but you know Adler is too stupid not to spill everything.  It will be interesting to hear Mike Clink speak, I can't wait to see it.  

What would they be asking Warren DeMartini about I wonder?

I don't see why he would be pissed though. They have obviously offered him a chance to appear on the show. From what we know so far, he has obviously declined as his name was not on the press release thing. If he doesn't like the way it comes out he has absolutely no one to blame but himself. He could easily go on the show and defend himself, but is instead choosing to let the media further smear his name. I am beginning to think he really is done because you don't just wake up one morning, decide your mentally stable, and decide today's the day I am going to embark on a 3 year journey of non-stop tourning and album releases. He is obviously not ready for press commitments or to show up to shows consistently, and I just haven't seen anything in the past 10 years that would suggest otherwise. It is really very very sad.

How it was on the Sunset Strip scene?  ???


/jarmo

Early days huh?  Sounds good to me, but they chose Teddy Zigzag over Izzy?  Maybe Izzy didnt wanna participate...   That sucks, his sense of humor alone would be the best part of the show.


I thought VR was not "in agreement" with VH1 over how the auditions would be portrayed?  Either they came to an agreement or something is strange with this news.

If this is true, it sounds like Slash and Duff are exploiting their past involvement in GN'R to promote Contraband while at the same time ambushing any plans Axl might have to release CD. If a BTM on GN'R as described by blabbermouth airs, it would probably bring about more delays to the release of CD than the failed tour did.

I agree this sounds like garbage...Axl said one day you would hear his side of the story...this is suppose to be it and with all do respect to slash and duff with gnr...There not Gnr anymore and the real GNR IS Axl...and from what i read axl isnt involved in this...come on..this is bull croap...i still cant wai tto see this but i think slash and duff are gonna use this to contribute to promotion for Contraband.....

Do you think Axl even knows about this?????

Again, he was asked to participate most likely given that it is a GNR BTM. If he chooses not to participate, who does he have to blame or get angry with about this other than himself. It is time for Axl to be a big boy and either piss or get off the pot. Can you blame Slash/Duff for doing this? They, unlike Axl, are trying to use the media to promote an album which their fans will actually see. There is nothing that says Axl can't do the same thing, he is just choosing not to. I am sure BTM would love to have him, but he doesn't want to participate. How is that Slash and Duff's fault, they would probably like to have him on it to. Those two were involved in everything that will most likely be talked about because nothing of substance with GNR has happened in 10 years, so I don't see what the big deal is. Its not like they are going to be talking about the CD recordings or anything like that.

No, you can't blame them for doing it.  I understand why Axl would never do anything like this though.  They would have to ask him about everything, the feuds, the riots, the lateness, OIAM, abuse allegations, control issues in the band.  I can see why he doesn't want to answer.  Certainly, this documentary will be discussing Axl a lot.  We'll just see if Slash and Duff have any influence over how Axl is portrayed, I know they don't like to bash him.  

my respect for slash and duff has just diminished. Why use the gnr name to promote another band.

thats gay.

Plus how can you do a btm of gnr without axl and izzy? makes no sense. If a serious documentary is to be done on gnr it has to be done properly not half ass. No1 cares about slash and duffs side of the story we have heard it countless times.

We all know how this btm is gonna air. its gonan document old gnr. and then when they talk about vr and new gnr its gonna paint a one sided picture. You have to have axl on the show in order for this to be legit.

 the fact that slash and duff agreed to this tells me that all they care about is using the old gnr name to promote vr. and thats dick. if they werent concerned about that they would have done it the right and fair way....whatever...

Im not saying we should all forget about slash and duff and that they arent entitled to their reconigintion in gnr. but if vr wasnt out this wouldnt be happening. just do it the right way is all im saying.and they aint doin that

They are using the name to promote themselves because there is somewhat of a GNR revival going on and they want to re-connect with the public that they were the ones who wrote and played those songs that are once again popular. Then people might once again get interested in their new band, and buy their stuff. I know you know that but I figured I would just throw it out there. Frankly I think its great at least someone is trying to use the GNR franchise for something productive because God knows Axl either doesn't know or has forgot how to do so. The name carries alot of clout, they want to attach their names to it for the same reason Axl insists on using it, that it is recognizable and has a built in fan base. I mean they did have their name on everything GNr has ever released short of Oh My God, so can you blame them for wanting to remind people it was them who played on all those classic songs while promoting their new stuff at the same time? A smart business man would do so, we just lose site of the fact that is what normal people do to actually promote an album because in GNR land we don't have a chance to see things like promotion for album releases. :crying:

But that's exactly what Axl did.

What a joke, this would be like doing a BTM for metallica with out Hetfield or doing a BTM for Pearl Jam with out Eddie Veddar.

I wonder if axl can stop this since he owns the name to guns n roses and not duff and slash.

I guess the more I think about it the more I don't see what the big deal is because if Axl really is GNR the way everyone seems to think he is, and if his current incarnation of GNR is truly GNR, then what is the big deal/threat about the old guys describing their experiences in GNR. I mean what can they really say that hasn't been said that would hurt the reputation/credibility of the current GNR anymore than has already been done. If anything, it will remind people that GNR still exists in some way shape or form and didn't die when slash/duff left the band for those who may have forgotten, which can only be a good thing. Of course it would be great for Axl to be on the show to defend himself and his actions, but he would then have to answer why we have no album and the tours and other things, but there is a better chance of the pope converting to judaism than there is of us ever getting a straight answer on those questions. So I totally see why he will never do one of those shows.

Yes there will be one... no Axl will not be in it.

Yes they can do one without him legally as it portrays to the old name and nothing into his new band.

Axl Rose will be one of those "Axl didn't agree to be interviewed and was unavailible" people like Alec Jon Such in Bon Jovi.

Can we all just accept this is happening, just like the Greatest Hits did, and no amount of legal rankling from Team Axl is going to stop it. If we don't like GNR BTM without Axl, we have one person to blame.

They shouldn't have quit the band if they wanted to continue using the name. And while I think Slither rocks, they sound like STP, so they are just fooling people by using the GN'R name to promote it.
It's sleazy.

I was really hoping this would delve into the aspects of NEW GNR with interviews from todays players as well as taking a look back to explore
the circumstances which led to the break up of the old band.  Obviously not focusing on everything post '96, but at least a good look from all sides.  It seems as though that's not the case.

I understand that the history of Guns is still an interesting tale, especially with the GH package selling well so I can't blame VH1 for going this route, It'll make for good ratings.

An educated guess would say invitations for interviews were sent out to Axl and company but declined so its more or less their own fault if the story isn't told from their perspective.  

I have no problem with whomever was interviewed or takes part I just would have rather seen full participation and a look into the future and some answers concerning the formation and activity of the new band.

Personal feeings aside, this seems like another genious move for VR and Co., capitalizing on the success of the GH package with the telling of the early days of GNR then moving directly into the documentary of the formation of VR.

Brilliant move on for sure..

Although Axl and Izzy have been left off the list of those participating in BTM, that doesn't mean that they may turn around and suddenly agree to an interview for the show before it airs...and you know VH1 will put the brakes on it if Axl finally decides to participate.

In fact, Axl may do just that. If Slash and Duff want to play games to promote their band by using the glory stories of days past, Axl may agree to an interview the week before it airs which will push the air date back, back, back until maybe late summer or early fall...right in time for Chinese Democracy. I know they bumped the Aerosmith BTM a month or so due to the fact the band wanted to contribute more footage of their then current tour.

Another thought...as this BTM is said (from Blabbermouth remember) to focus on the early days, perhaps there are plans for a two part BTM, the old and the new, where Axl's new line up and album are explained and his comments on the opinions expressed in the first installment are revealed.

Who knows? Just speculating here  :peace:

I don't think Axl would agree to an interview to promote VR with the GNR name.  :nervous:

Exactly. Axl did and does (when he feels like it) and these guys were all a part of GnR not just Axl. So they got all the right in the world.

And Axl hasn't done shit with it anyway. He introduced a few new songs and toured on the old ones. He doesn't even have an album. Still!

VR on the other hand has made a music video, are setting tv dates, are going to tour and is getting ready to drop an album.

So if they did use the GnR name, which they have EVERY RIGHT TOO, at least they are doing something with it.

This is 100% dead on. I can't believe people on here are getting all worked up about BTM as a platform for VR. Give me a break.

 Right now we don't know shit about this. Rumors will fly and we'll know how it really goes down when the show airs. Maybe Axl will have a lot more to do with it then we think. Maybe not. Maybe it will be totally unbias and at the end it'll say "Axl has reformed and is working (haha) on CD" and "The remainder have gone on to become VR". I have a feeling that is all it's going to be.

Now if the other guys give interviews and Axl doesn't, it's obvious that they can talk a bit about VR. But I really don't think more than 3-5 minutes of the show (assuming it's an hour show) is going to be about the new bands.

Without Axl and Izzy, something is gonna be missingfrom the show that's for sure.

But Izzy probably doesn't want to do tv and maybe Axl doesn't want to help promote VR....

Wonder if Axl would agree if no VR members were in it or VR wasn't mentioned at all?


/jarmo

I wondered the same thing, but odds are he wouldn't.  I can't see him participating in anything public until the release of CD is eminent.  Even then is stretch, PR has never been Axl's strong suit.

I wonder if VR will even be mentioned in this program prominently or just a s a segue into to VH1's VR special..

WRONG! They walked out on the band so:
1) they don't have the legal right to use it.
2) they don't have the moral right to use it to promote a DIFFERENT band.

TIMING is everything. If this came out at the time GH was released, or if it came out in December, or at any other time, I can see how this is just VH1 cashing in on the GN'R name. But this is timed to air the week before Contraband. I'm not that naive! VR's management has its hands all over this (if the rumor is true in the first place).

Saying in every press release that they are former members is fine, but putting on a show about the past of GN'R with the goal of promoting their new band is just sleazy marketing.

If they want to use the name, they shouldn't have quit GN'R. Axl is the one who soldiered on through all the shit and is still trying to get it together in spite of all the bullshit going on in the music industry. The least Slash and Duff can do is get over the fact that they are no longer in GN'R, and stop getting in Axl's way (after all, he does an excellent job of doing that himself, he doesn't need the extra help). VR should be able to stand on its own merits, they shouldn't have to exploit the GN'R name to get attention.

I'm guessing VR probably wouldn't be mentioned in it much, if at all. If the press release is true, it sounds like "GN'R" BTM is merely a prequel to The Making of Velvet Revolver.

I think it would be wise for Axl to avert this ambush by going to VH1 and saying that he will do GN'R Behind the Music, IF they push back the airing to coincide with Chinese Democracy and if GN'R are given full editorial control.

I understand where you're coming from Pop, but let's be realistic..

VH1 is doing some cross promotion for their own benefit while VR's management is doing everything they can possibly due to promote their client, I'd hold comments like " they shouldn't have to exploit the GN'R name to get attention." to yourself until
you actually see the program and how/if VR is even mentioned.
I mean seriously, why would Duff and Slash even consent to doing it if it wasn't beneficial to them, IE concurrent airdate?

Either way, this (in my eyes) can only help New GNR, it get's the name back out there and helps bring attention to the band in general, no different than the GH package has done already..

I don't think that they have to mention VR at all in order for it to promote Contraband. It's all in the timing. It's still exploiting the GN'R name for the promotion of VR because Contraband is coming out the week after.

Now that I think about it, you have a point about the show helping GN'R in the way the GH has, but then again, if this so called "GN'R" BTM does air, Axl will not have the option of making a BTM in support of the release of CD (if it ever comes out). So in the end I still don't like the idea of it.

Who's to say Axl didn't/won't have the opportunity for a BTM (or any VH1 special) when and if CD is released?  I would think he'd be a hot interview commodity no matter what the circumstance.  

The timing issue makes marketing sense for both VH1 and VR, it's just business.

He's had over 5-6 years now to use a GNR BTM to promote his Cd and got beat to the punch. I see nothing wrong with what VR is doing. They actually have a CD to share with the world and have decided to exploit their pasts as a marketing tool. If Axl worried as much about marketing and releasing cd's as VR does right now we would have CD and GNR would be the biggest band in the world. Instead we are going to have yet another documentary making him look like a chump who can't release a CD without Slash/Duff and company. This silence that everyone on this board perpetually supports is biting him in the rear. He could have done the same thing their doing, release a CD and use the BTM as a promotional tool. For whatever reason he just either can't or won't. You've heard the old saying, "The early bird gets the worm." In this case the worm was the GNR BTM. :rant:

It's a bit disappointing that Axl is not participating but it's not surprising in the least. It's obvious he doesn't want anything to do with the old band. Besides, he wouldn't be able to spin a story that is favorable to him if the others participate.

I'm more bummed that Izzy is not participating because it would be nice to hear from him. I also think it's weird that Matt has not been asked to participate yet Gilby has been asked.

I agree with SLCPUNK

It's just kinda sad that this is gonna be a promotional tool for Velvet Revolver. All we'll hear about is "how mentally unstable Axl is, and how he drifted away from the band's vision of the kind of music they wanted to make. Eventually, he became somewhat of a tyrant, and the guys couldn't take the abuse and unstability any longer, so they left to do solo projects while Axl, over the next 10 years, worked and worked on a new album, and while we're still waiting, the former members of GNR have come full-circle and they have a brand new album coming out in June". Blah blah blah.

The saddest part about the whole thing tied hands is what you described is the dead on truth. Just think of where this band was at one point and where they are no. It really is a shame.

Not at all...If this is all true, its great.  The old members are contributing to whats sure to be an interesting show, and pushing Velvet Revolver as well.  Why wouldnt you want to see Velvet Revolver tell their story and use the negatives of the past for a positive future...?

Ill answer - its because youre an Axl fan, not a GNR fan.  Well, Im positive that Axl had/has his chance to contribute and give his story and maybe push the new band in the process.  


Sounds pretty accurate to me. :yes:

Maybe the week before CD comes out VH1 will do BTM on Nine Inch Nails with just Fink, side people like Rob Halford, and no involvement from Trent Reznor or even Flood  ;)
That's the type of junk we have here. A Behind the Music on GN'R without Axl is gonna be LAME period. I can't believe that some people are actually so excited about getting the same old story repackaged as a BTM.

See the thing is, there are some people out there that don't know the story and don't know why the band originally broke up. Those are people that are going to want to watch this because they will remeber being fans, but always wondered what happened to those guys. If nothing else, this BTM will make Axl look even worse (and I didn't think it was possible) because he won't come on and it will be heavily slanted that Axl was the true reason behind GNR dissolving. People are going to believe what they see on TV, and Axl will have an even greater mountain to climb over when he decides to come out of hibernation. I am almost beginning to think his comeback is doomed because I just don't believe he is in touch with what it is going to take to be the biggest band in the world again in terms of promotion. I used to think he had a grand master plan, Now I just think he is lost and doesn't know any better.  :no:

It is my opinion that Axl does have a master plan, but it too closely resembles a Rube Goldberg machine for anyone else in the world to care (except his management, whom I believe is equally insane).

Also, it is my opinion that the blabbermouth thing is probably accurate, BUT may not be completed information. I'm not saying I believe for a second Axl will manage to get his shit together and appear on the BTM, I am saying it is POSSIBLE. "More information will be availble soon" is the last line of the article, I believe.

But like I said, I find it rather unlikely that Axl wil be on it. Why? Because it would make sense.

Also, this BTM is no doubt to me a VR publicity vehicle - those that say otherwise are naive. And it's not sleasy business to list past accomplishments to promote future projects. Ever listed someone as a reference on your application to work somewhere?

Thought so, "sleezeball."

Like I said, there's no problem with saying you were in GN'R, but to make a show about it to promote your new band is completely different. I would think Velvet Revolver can stand up on their own merits without Slash and Duff having to abuse the name of a band they quit 10 years ago.

Yeah, I know that the masses will be all over this show and VH1 will no doubt get huge ratings out of it. But that would be the same people who are buying the shitty GH package and going gaga over Sympathy For the Devil. I was surprised that there are people HERE (meaning particularly YOU and SLCPUNK) who are that excited about gating the same old crap repackaged as BTM.

Im all for Vr doing well and promoting their stuff.

Im not trying ot make this an axl vs vr thing either. Ill bet anything vh1 contacted axl about this. and he refused. his loss.

All im saying is that for it to be done right and objective a btm should include axl and of course izzy. thats all. If vr wasnt a band or coming out with an album they wouldnt be doing such a thing either.

Im totally for promoting what the old members of gnr did in gnr. im not trying to take anythign aways from them and they should be formally reconized in such a show like btm. But it has to to have axl and izzy. i mean cmon

and for those who do not htink that the show will paint a nice "survivor" type ending for the vr members and hwo they overcame the "selfshish crazy" redhead and formed there own band your completely wrong. and again theres nothing wron with promoting vr its just that the show is not going to include any interviews from the frontman. And thats not right.

Vr doesnt need a gnr btm to promote vr. they cpould have easily said we wont do this unless its done right. I thought that was there attitude and philosophy all along? o wellll

Riding on the Coat Tails of the GnR Name...

Au Contraire, mon frere.  I think Tied, as well as others voicing displeasure, are fans of GnR...which is precisely the point.  You're not going to hear the WHOLE story of gnr...you're going to hear Slash and Duff's version of that story (and I'm not saying Axl's version is MORE correct...it's just different).  There will be no "balance" from Axl, no explanations, there will be no insight into the creative process from Izzy (who, I think, was more important to the band than Slash, Duff, and Stephen combined), no one to contradict two guys who have "rehersed" their stories countless times, in countless interviews that we've all heard a million times.  And, to be perfectly clear, I wouldn't want a BTM without Slash, Duff, Steven, Gilby, and even Matt (I'm joking) involved, either.  They were all lin the band..they all deserve to say their piece.  To do it any other way just makes the project sorta...I don't know...wrong. Just as it wouldn't be fair to paint Axl as the asshole, it wouldn't be fair to paint him as the saint, either.  

 And, really, without BOTH sides of the story...there really isn't a story at all.  Calling it "Behind the Music" is a complete misnomer in this instance since, without Axl, and maybe even more importantly without Izzy, you have no music.

I don't know who your referring to here, but axl is just as much guilty of that as anyone. He toured and played a couple of new songs.but basically played all songs of which were partially created by the original members.

 Axl did nothing to distinguish the old gn'r from the new gn'r during the north american tour, he basically relied solely on appetite for destruction era songs to promote that tour. At least they are using the gn'r name for good to promote an album, not drag it through the mud by not showing up for shows and screwing fans out of a chance of seeing him in concert. And I would rather see axl's project, but I don't get how you can say that vr and co are riding on the coat tails of gn'r. They actually are out their trying to play new music, it's not their fault if axl is not proactive enough to do anything at all.

I still don't think this show will be any good without izzy or axl. They have the most interesting stories and the one's less heard by anyone.

For all intents and purposes, VR is already standing up on their own merits (single,vid, sold out tour, album release date etc.) without  "abusing the name of a band they quit 10 years ago." one iota.

Up to this point, they've been fairly diplomatic about Axl and their time in GNR when asked the inevitable questions regarding their collective pasts, while still focusing on VR in general.  

As I've said before, this will benefit GNR, hardcore fans are the only one's drawing battle lines.  The same people who bought the GH package will surely watch whatever VH1 shows GNR/VR related.

As Michael Corleone assured his brother Sonny, "It's just business, it's not personal."

One other thing, there's no doubt that BTM will spike the GH package sales as well as the back catalog, so to say it's purely a VR promotional vehicle is skewed at best...

I'm sure Geffen/Interscope is loving this...

It appears that some people still don't understand that Slash and Duff quit Guns N' Roses. Axl stuck with it. It's great that VR are out there playing their own music, which is all the more reason they shouldn't be milking the GN'R name.

Exactly! Which is what makes this all the more disappointing if these rumors are indeed true.

Indeed they are. I doubt it would help Contraband sell either because they sound a lot more like STP than like GN'R. But I also doubt it would get us any closer to a CD release date. If anything, it would piss Axl off and he'll just put things off longer.

Pop, so you agree they've been respectful of GNR's legacy and the timliness of the BTM won't help VR sales wise, what's you general problem with the idea, the non participation of Axl?
Wouldn't you agree he probably had the opportunity to tell his version but in all liklihood declined?

And as for your observation that it won't get us any closer to a CD release date and pissing off Axl to a point of putting things off longer, I agree fully.  There's no doubt in my mind it'll
further put him deeper and deeper in the throws of his own Axldom.  

I would think Velvet Revolver can stand up on their own merits without Slash and Duff having to abuse the name of a band they quit 10 years ago.

First of all you, or anybody else here don't know the entire content of the show.

And second if anybody has abused the name of the band they were in 10 years ago...it would be Axl. Not the other guys.

well put. And i don't really understand how this would delay the cd if axl actually had it ready, it seems everything axl has been doing lately just plays into the hands of somebody else. that's a self-destructive attitude, why wouldn't he just release the cd when its done, and stop all of the bitching about how other people are screwing him over?

It appears that some people still don't understand that Slash and Duff quit Guns N' Roses. Axl stuck with it. It's great that VR are out there playing their own music, which is all the more reason they shouldn't be milking the GN'R name.

How can you not see that these guys built GnR? Not just Axl. So what if they quit? They still made it what it was.

It's crazy to say that they are "milking" the name. How much more can they say about it? They WERE GnR just as much as Axl.

If you built up a restaurant and made is a success. Then after 10 years you sold your share to your partner because you grew tired of it. But you wanted to open another restaurant. You'd advertise it "From the Chef that created Bistro!" That's how shit works in the real world. You'd use the name that you worked hard for to market it. You'd be stupid not to.

Plus there is no denying who they are. They are legends for THEIR ROLE IN GNR. Everybody knows who Slash is. What they hell is the guy supposed to do? Say "No that wasn't me man".

C'mon...get real. Give up your argument. It has no validity or rational thinking behind it!

Hang on a minute, has everyone forgotten that slash said there would never be a reunion because Axl had soiled the GNR name, and he wanted nothing to do with it?

I thought he was moving on and leaving all Guns N Roses stuff behind, the way he was talking.

Now VR have an album, etc coming out, here he is being interviewed for GN'R BTM?

He has every right to be on the program, and if Axl doesnt participate it's his own fault. But why bother now after what he was saying before?

@#$%Muther

Even if he is doing the interview soley for the purpose of VR (which I don't think he is), the program is about GnR. Not VR. I still think it will be the typical format where they give the update in the last 5 minutes of the program.

Slash (and anybody else in the world) has been known to talk out of both sides of his mouth. And he also has the right to change his mind (like all of us).

No Axl + No Izzy= No legitimacy. More power for VR taking advantage of a situation....but how many shots will Axl let be fired at him this year without responding?

You know what?

I suggest everyone watch it............then post on it.

These assumptions of what will happen or what should happen are ridiculuos.

Wait until it airs......if it even does air.......then post away.

For now, this thread is useless. :yes:

This isnt a reunion...


Dont remember him saying that he "doesnt want anything to do with it".  Maybe you could refresh my memory with a quote?


Well, he is moving on, theres no question about that.  Dont remember him saying hes leaving it all behind, either.  Hes asked about GNR in every single interview he does, and hell continue to do so for the rest of his life.  He knows that theres no escaping the Guns N' Roses stigma.  So why not do a Behind The Music, give his side of the story on his largest platform yet, and promote VR in the process?  Because he thinks Axl fucked up the name and doesnt think a reunion is likely doesnt mean hes going to run away from "Guns N' Roses".  If that were the case, he wouldnt address the issue in every single interview.  Now he might get on BTM and answer whatever they ask him.  I would hope that all of the members participate, but if it doesnt happen, Im positive its the fault of those who did not participate.  

In a perfect GN'R world you'd have all the members in "factions" doing interviews like :

Slash, Duff and Matt

Izzy and Steve

Gilby, Dizzy and Teddy Zig Zag

Tommy, Robyn, Brain, Fortus and Pittman

Axl and Paul Tobias

Each group would give their own insight! :yes:

Because we have heard his side of the story countless times. Its not about whos right or whos wrong. Its about having a fair outlook on gnr - past, present, and future. And the only way you can have an objective outlook on gnr is if you have all of the members involved.

And dont give me that bullshit about telling his side of the story in a big setting like btm. Booker, do you honestly think that he would be doing this if he was releasing an album right now?

Im not against any type of promotions for vr. If axl was in this and they did this legit and when at the end they discussed what each member is doing and promoted vr from there thats totally fine. But ill bet you anything the segment will be the Slash and duff have are the heroes type thing. ANd thats fine. Its not right or worng. But we dont get the other side.

SLash and Duff wouldnt be doing a gnr btm if they didnt have a project goin on. case closed. So they are using their past legacies to promote their album which is gay. They dont need to do that. They can do it in a much different way.

lol its funny, its ok for slash to keep talking about his side of the story every time he interviews yet when axl says it in a press release people think hes an asshole and when he talks about his side a handful of times on tour hes an asshole. Yea i know Axl dropped an f bomb or something. WHat a bad guy.

SLash and Duff wouldnt be doing a gnr btm if they didnt have a project goin on. case closed. So they are using their past legacies to promote their album which is gay. They dont need to do that. They can do it in a much different way.


So what if they are using their past legacy to promote their album. Axl was doing the same thing to promote his new band by having his new band cover all the songs the old band wrote. If his new material was so good he would have never had to play old songs written by the others because the new material would certainly sell itself under your assumption. Of course they are going to flaunt their being in GNR. It is some of the best material ever written by any band. The would be stupid not to do so. If I was Slash I would be reminding everyone and their brother that that was me that wrote the solo's for PC, November Rain, Estragned, Nightrain, Sweet Child and about a million others. It will then register with people that "Hey, maybe if he wrote those killer riffs then, maybe their new stuff will be just as good" and then go by the album. What it is on their part is a SMART business plan. Something we are not accustomed to with the current incarnation of GNR.

Its a bummer that Axl and Izzy arent part of this (as of yet anyway) but you have to understand that Axl will probably never do a show like this where he is confronted with other versions because as much as we love him I suspect most are true and he cant handle it, he carries to much crap on his shoulders to come out looking good. If CD ever comes out he will probably do an interview but that wont include the old guys so the argument will probably be valid in that instance as well.

There's no need to condemn the people who actually had the nerve/balls/foresight/motive to participate in a show that's focusing on the early days of GNR, especially if they were actually in the band at that time.  And beyond that, without having seen or heard 1 word of the show yourself in the first place.

As long as Slash and Co are put in interview situations, they'll invariably be asked the GNR questions, get used to it.  It's not llike they're demanding "creative control" or prequalifying the questions.  

And you're right, they don't need this to promote their album, they've already had a charting single (Set Me Free) another blowing up radio as we speak, a sold out tour and a release date for a much anticipated album.  

Thank/Blame the success of the GH's, VH1 and good management for the timeliness of BTM.

You're all jumping to conclusions.  This report came from Blabbermouth, which got the original idea and details from this very site!!!  They relied on what a few people said on a message board.  They don't know anything at all.

Axl further delaying Chinese Democracy because of something past bandmates do that involves him? Yeah right. The one way to show they aren't in any way effecting him is to go on his schedule. He seems poised to do that.

Why play new songs when you arent ready to go ahead with the new material? When the ball finally gets rolling ill guarentee you that there will never be a future gnr set that has all of the old songs in it.

No shit,,,,im not disputing that


I wouldnt say its blowing up. Its doing well. Just like set me free. The hype will carry it. Lets see how long it lasts though. I havnt heard Set me free in months. Its not hwo it starts it about the shelf life.

Its an anticipated album i guess. Peopel are too wrapped up in it though so i wouldnt say much anticipated.

My point is I have no problem with slash and duff being reconzied for what they did in gnr. All im saying is that if theres going to be an offical show on gnr it has to include its pivotal member. and izzy too! I personally think Izzy is more important than slash and duff. Izzy is the diamond in the dirt.
 Even if axl declined why go ahead and do it? Again the only reason they are doing it is becuase of the album release.

I could care less. Im just bored of hearing slash and duff story. We know it already. You guys are the rebels and true rock n rollers and just wanna jam and stay with your roots and be punk and this and that and axl is a primadonna. We understand that. I dont need to hear it anymore.

I think its safe to say Slither will at some point hit number 1 on both rock charts. It is already in the top 10 after two weeks and they haven't even released the single yet I don't think, which is coming in a couple weeks. The video was just released, so more people will start to hear and see it. It will lay the ground work for a huge cross over smash song like you got no right/fall to pieces as a second single. The major advantage VR has going for them is K-roq. Had they chosen anyone other than Wieland no one would care about them, but K-roq loves Wieland and has always been good to STP. They fit into all genres of rock because of him, which is only going to help get them to exposed to a much larger fan base.

dude this isnt the 80's no1 buys singles anymore.

Im not saying they arent going to be a success. Im sure they will. All im saying is that smf started out hot and then qucikly faded away. Where was krock then? After 2 months of its release prob less, smf fell of the face of the planet. I havnt heard it in months.

Slither will last or fall based on how the follow up singles are and the album. If the singles are good and they can crack out 3 or 4 singles from the album then they will have a great shelf life.

Take a band liek audioslave. They released their singles and then album last year. I still hear there singles today. Actually multiple times a day. Thats a success. Whne you hear a bands new material played regularly and not judge it on its initial hype.

1 reason is due to the fact the GH's package has faired so well, it proves there's still interest in the band, most noteably, old GNR.

Obviously the suits at VH1 recognize this and are piggybacking their VR special with a BTM on the early GNR.  Axl's (and Slash and Co's) non participation in promotion of the GH's obviously proves there will be an interest in such a show regardless of who's included, or in Axl's case, excluded.

Ratings = money, and mark my words, VH1 will clean up.

 

 :hihi: I love the way you split sentences so you can respond to them.  :hihi:

Imagine I had said "There is no air on mars"......


Then what the hell am I breathing

Who said anything about mars, could you refresh me with a quote?

 :hihi:

My point was he clearly isn't interested in GNR being part of his future as he's never planning to go back.

He's been asked enough times about Guns N' Roses in almost every interview with him so why go out of your way to do a special interview on a subject he's been over millions of times on radio, on tv, and in print, on a band which he never wants to be in again?

That's the only answer I'm looking for.

@#$%Muther

Well, if Blabbermouth's report was accurate, then this is going to be one awesome "Behind the Music," and probably the most watched one as well.  I'm certain VH1 made an attempt to interview Axl.  Why the hell wouldn't they?  Obviously there's going to be a lot of sordid (but probably true) things said about him, but he won't take the opportunity to defend himself.  So anything they say about him is fair game as far as I'm concerned.  Furthermore, Slash and Duff (and Izzy) were the heart and soul of Guns N' Roses.  It was they who made GNR great.  They still have a financial stake in the GNR name, which is why they were involved in the lawsuit against Geffen along with Axl.  While they were getting their lives together after years of drug and alcohol abuse, they have had to watch as Axl has dragged the GNR name through the mud.  They've watched as Axl has insulted them every opportunity he got.  They saw Axl trying to fool people into believing he was the only reason GNR was popular - something Axl has failed miserably at doing, thankfully.  Axl, when and if we hear from him next, will probably be whining about how everyone treated him in the BTM special, but he'll have nobody to blame but himself (yet again).

I think Slash & Duff are doing this in order to redeem the GNR name after Axl has pissed all over it for the last ten years.  GNR still means a lot to them; it's their past and their legacy.  This is their way of saying to Axl "no, you're not the whole band, we made you who you were, this was OUR band, this is OUR story!"  And if they want to promote Velvet Revolver in the process, more power to them!  After all, it is VR who is picking up where GNR left off.  VR are the ones who are making kickass rock n'roll while Axl has spent all these years promising a "masterpiece" and not delivering because he is too busy sulking.  Anyone and everyone who ever loved GNR should be completely behind VR, and this will give the band even bigger publicity than they've already received.  As GNR fans, we should be thrilled that Slash & Duff are doing this.  VH1 has probably been wanting to do a GNR special ever since they began the "Behind the Music" series, and now, finally, we're getting it.  Again, if Axl isn't man enough to show up and defend himself, then that's just too bad.  Poor baby, wah wah!  The best thing he can do is release his record.  If Chinese Democracy is so fucking great, then prove it!  All he's proven over the last ten years is that he's a bitter and broken man too scared to face the world.  Slash, Duff, and Matt are delivering.

All that said, I really do wish Izzy was involved.

Maybe, he just hates the world.  It's terribly sad anyway don't you think?  The fact is; no, Axl wasn't the only thing that made GnR, but he is undoubtedly the favorite topic of discussion and fascination when it comes to GnR.  

It is terribly sad, no doubt.  I don't claim to understand what the hell his problem is, but I do know he could do something about it if he really wanted to.  You are right about him being the favorite topic of discussion concerning GNR, but it's for all the wrong reasons.  VR has got people talking about Slash & Duff again, though, and for all the right reasons.  These guys are a true inspiration, while Axl has turned himself into a disgrace; the general public, I think, is not ignorant of this.

Indeed, but Axl made them legendary

Aside from the cancelled tour how exacetly has Axl ruined the gnr himself? Its not his fault peopel make up rumors and people create theories about CD. Because he has chosen to remain silent people have jumped all over him.

Oh really? Ok so Axl releases a Press release and talks about the issue for the 1st time in years. Bad Axl. Axl goes on tour and in a handful of rants tells the fans how the old guys didnt want to do certain songs. Axl goes to rio and tells his fans that slash and co. ar eno lobegr his fans. Axl your such an evil guy.

NOw when do we start counting the endless times we have heard slash's story. Let me know when we can start counting them.

Its funny how its ok for slash to comment on gnr because hes "always being asked about it" yet when axl is asked about it hes an asshole and cant let go of the subject.

Very interesting sunking. May i ask how you come up with this stuff?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not taking anything away from the alumni in regard to their prior performances on record or touring to support the albums.
He as never said once any negatives about slash or the old band and their ability. He has never once said anything about vr. He has never once tried to fool peopel into thinking that he was soley gnr.

Where was this great devotion and calling from 98-2003?.....oh snap here it is:

Oh really? Thats a lot of expectations then. I guess SLither really reminds you of appetite? Go ask weiland about that thought. It can be argued that Axl cant even top what he did with old gnr, yet you tell me slash and duff will....i love it

Can we relax a minute. They have only released one single. Its a good single. Nothing special and nothing that compares to what slash did with gnr. Can we atleast wait till the album comes out and so we can hear this "kick ass" rnr you speak of.

Axl sulking? Again where do you come up with this stuff? By all accounts Axl has been living a great life since the old band left. Actually if he was wrapped up in "outdoing" his former bandmates we would have had multiple "new" gnr cds by now. The fact that he and the new lineup have remained quiet just doing their own thing and following their own plan makes me think they are pretty confident in what they are doing.

Yea its about time they do something that is of relevance.

Finally i agree

LOl, man talk about Axl loyalists around here. Seems liek you still havnt gotten slash's dick out of your ass since our last arguemnt....

Once again please show me how he is this bitter broken down man whos scared.

Delivering what. All they are doing is making music. I have yet to hear any material from them that compares to their previous efforts. SO far they have delivered average- to good songs that fit right in with what I have been hearing on the radio. Theres no uniquness to it . There snothing i have heard that comes close to their capabilities...I wonder why...... ;)


Well if Axl is not gonan be in it, might as well go all out and leave out the next most important member of old gnr......

Well, there you go; that aborted tour has done tremendous damage to the name "Guns N' Roses."  And I don't think remaining silent and going into hiding has helped him one bit.  This is America, we don't like people who hide.  All it has served to do is frustrate the living hell out of his supporters and given his numerous detractors a good laugh.  And I don't care what you say about the new band, in the eyes of the general public they are not legitimate.  All those people at the 2002 shows shouting "Buckethead Go Home" and "Where's Slash?" know they do not want Axl bringing in a bunch of replacements and calling it "Guns N' Roses."  Talented musicians they may be, but they are not a substitute for the real thing.  The general public will always see them as a bunch of hacks, whether its right or wrong, and therefore that hurts the name of Guns N' Roses.  I haven't even mentioned taking nearly a decade now to make his record, that's just ridiculous.  Maybe Axl's trying for a Guiness world record or something.


Well, you might have a point.  But it's just funny that the whole band has one story and Axl has another.  Maybe I am biased, but I'm far more inclined to believe Slash, Duff, et al.  I really have never gotten the sense they are trying to be malicious toward Axl, and I'm sure these days they would prefer not to talk about him at all.  They do because they know people ask them their opinions on the matter.  Axl, on the other hand, the few times he has spoken, does come across as malicious and hateful toward his former bandmates.  I guess that's the difference.  Let's face it, Slash, Duff, Izzy, are just so much more likeable than Axl is.


By going out on tour with a bunch of new musicians and calling it "Guns N' Roses," he was indeed trying to fool people into thinking he and he alone was the whole band.  I know that he's never impugned the ability of his old bandmates, to his credit, but it all boils down to one thing.  I really don't understand how you folks cannot figure out how using the GNR name without the actual GNR would piss people off.  All Axl had to do was come up with a new name for the group, and he couldn't even do that.  Call the band "Chinese Democracy," call it "Freakshow," call it anything, but it's not "Guns N' Roses."  It's just that simple.


I don't know.  Slash and Duff had a lot of other things going on in their lives at that time.  Only they could tell you why they are making their comeback now.  At least they weren't misleading the world the way Axl has.  And when they did promise new material, they came through in reasonable time.


No, I never said "Slither" reminds me of AFD, nor did I ever claim they're going to top the old GNR.  All I said is that "Slither" and "Set Me Free" are kickass rock n'roll songs, and I'm 100% confident the rest of the album will be a great listen.  That's all I'm asking for, and it's all that any GNR/VR fan can ask for.  On that count, Slash and company has delivered.


Well, I can't absoultely prove Axl has been sulking, nor could you absoultely prove Axl is living some sort of wonderful life.  It just seems to a lot of us here that Axl is in some sort of deep depression, hence sulking.  Seriously, why the hell is he so damn afraid to even show his face?  He comes back for a few weeks in 2002, and then runs away again for God only knows what reason.  And then he finally schedules another show (RIR) and then backs out, publically blaming Buckethead in that foolish press release.  If he were truly committed to appear, he could have found someone to fill in for the night.  Instead he acted like a baby about it.  

I think he if were so confident in his new material, we would have seen something by now.  He's too much of a perfectionist to ever be confident in anything he does.  It's sad, really.  If he just released "The Blues," for instance, as it was played in concert, he'd probably have a big hit on his hands.  Nothing's ever good enough for the guy.


Good one!  Yeah, I'm with Slash one-hundred percent, I don't deny it.  If Axl ever got his shit together and did something worthwhile, I would give him all the credit in the world.  Until then...


Maybe if he ever comes out of exile, Axl himself can tell you just what the hell he's so scared about.  I wish I knew exactly what the problem is here.  Quit hiding, Axl.

let me start out by saying that you have to be one of the most dumbest,ignorant posters on these boards...now ill respond....

LoL. Yep, so tremendous that they were given the oppurtunity to do rock in rio 4. So damaged that they wont be able to tour again? I think not. And when i say going into hiding i meant from 94-2002. Its not liek the band went into hiding after the failed tour. They came out of hiding and went on tour then went back into hiding.  ;)
Heres where the stupidity starts.
In the eyes of OLD GNR FANS all of what you said might be the case. Maybe if your lucky. Other than that, peopel could care less about gnr. The casual fan is not torn over the old vs new. And guess what....the casual fan, the new fan, and the old fans who liek the new band heavily out number the old bitter fans.

Again, you mean old gnr fans who are still bitter. Thats the group you are referring to.
The record hasnt taken a decade to make. 98/99- 2004 is 5/6 yrs. Not an absurd amount of time. Especially when constructing 3 albums...all potential masterpieces.

How do you know....more than half the time we are reading there comments and not hearing their tone of voice. You dont know how they are relaying htier comments on paper.
Axl hasnt been malicious either. Plus you hear him say it not just read it.

Oh really? That press release came across as bitter and malicious? The rio rant he sounded hurt and said that they were his former friends. And in a handful of 2002 tour rants he talke baout how the members didnt want to do certain songs. Yep real malicious.

Slash and Duff come across as nice guys because they are always out theor talking. Axl hasnt been seen or heard from at all. So he looks liek a dick. There all good guys. There all dicks. EVeryone is like that. But your a dick ;)

Thats your opinion...by him continuing the gnr name by getting a new lineup that serves justice to the past means to me that gnr isnt over and that some of the old players decided not to evolve....
Im not referring to their comeback..im saying how come they didnt file suit over this issue when they were doing absolutely nothing.

Heres another funny one...
Just because you believe the rumors,speculation, thoeries, internet and other bullshit doesnt mean its axls fault. All axl has said was that when its ready it will be out. He has mentions several possible timeframes which have all been followed by "if eveything goes right" etc....You chose to get wrapped up in the internet. Hes doing his own thing.


Yes i can...read all of the articles, interviews, fan stories, etc from 94 on......It will tell you about a much more different axl than you are trying to percieve....a much more mellow, caring yaydada good axl...thats what it all says....

BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you finally some sense.........
I want you to re-read that...now....

Everyone and especially you get so wrapped up in the whole Axl is an asshole, gnr are a bunch of freaks, Axl has ruined the gnr name, etc..that your all missing one thing. You arent bashing the music. Your bashing other irrelevant things. When the music is finally released and is a masterpiece all of that bullshit will go away once that last note of cd is heard. If gnr delivers a great album then all of the non music bullshit doesnt matter.
ALl im concerned about is the music. Thats why im here, thats what counts...

Axl/gnr will ruin the gnr name by releasing bad music. thats it. thas how you ruin the gnr name.
Whether you think this new lineup can deliver an album that meets or surpasses gnrs previous efforts is not the oint. The point is they havnt done that yet so till then you can continue to worry about axls braids. its about the music....thats what will make or break it.

Agreed 1000%!

Some of you guys are really getting worked up. Whadda you do with real life events? Yikes! :o

I hope Steven "Unintelligible is my Middle Name" is interviewed for it. THAT WOULD BE GOLD.  :rofl:


I'm sure 90 percent is bashing Axl, though.

Steven doesn't have a middle name.  And I too hope he is interviewed, because he's the original drummer and the fuckin' man.   8)

From Blabbermouth

GUNS N' ROSES: Ex-Bassist DUFF MCKAGAN Declines To Participate In VH1 Special - May 4, 2004
 
  Former GUNS N' ROSES bassist Duff McKagan has declined to participate in the upcoming VH1 documentary covering the early days of GUNS N' ROSES, BLABBERMOUTH.NET has exclusively learned. McKagan's non-participation in the "Behind the Music"-style show leaves Slash (guitars) and Steven Adler (drums) as the only original members of the group who have opted to actively co-operate with the show's producers. As previously reported, other people that are expected to contribute to the project are Tom Zutaut (former A&R executive at Geffen Records), Josh Richman (video director), Teddy Andreadis (keyboard player), Dave Navarro (JANE'S ADDICTION, ex-RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS), Warren De Martini (ex-RATT), Gilby Clark (ex-GUNS N' ROSES) and Mike Clink (GNR producer). The documentary is scheduled to air first week in June, followed a week later by "The Making of Velvet Revolver", a behind-the-scenes look at how Slash and Duff's new band, VELVET REVOLVER, got constructed, from the songwriting process to the singer search and studio sessions. More information will be made available soon.

Does this have something to do with the lawsuit? Will Slash be the next to say no comment?

loooooooooooooooool
If Duff wont participate will now people say that Slash will use it to promote VR alone? or if Slash declines to show for this too will people have wasted all this time discussing something they obviously didnt know but so oh vehemently affirmed???  ::)
Im loving this BTM thing, next week it will be informed that only that greek fatso Andreadis and Navarro will do comments on this special
SHYEAH!  :smoking:

Comedy gold.  No doubt he will be.  He's the best "this is your brain on drugs" commercial there is.  I know he talks that way because of the stroke, but that radio interview I heard with him, he still sounds drunk but with a stroke, which is completely hilarious.  He' seems honest but dumb, he doesn't know when to stop talking.  

I wonder why Duff isn't doing it.  He must be suspicious of how they will be portrayed.

Actually, he hardly speaks like that at all now.  His speech had greatly improved on the phone interview he did recently.  And it's no laughing matter any way you put it.  It's only laughable to people who (for some stupid reason) dislike Steven so much that they'll make fun of a person who had a stroke.

I think that's a good thing Duff won't participate. I bet he figured there was no use to do that show about Guns N' Roses if Axl and Izzy were not part of it. Axl and the other guys may not be friends now but I think they all recognize the fact that the original 80's GN'R was Axl + Izzy + Duff + Slash + Steven. I bet a good part of the show deals with that period.
Let's see now, so we've got Slash, Steven, Teddy and Gilby participating to that show right? I kinda wonder how it will look like (no sarcasm, just wondering).

I don't dislike him at all, he seems like a real nice guy.   But let's face it, he was never the sharpest knife in the drawer.  And his interviews are often a source of amusement.  As for the stroke, he inflicted that on himself.  I'm glad he's recovering, but on that radio interview?  Sorry, that was funny.

From Blabbermouth:

Former GUNS N' ROSES bassist Duff McKagan has declined to participate in the upcoming VH1 documentary covering the early days of GUNS N' ROSES, BLABBERMOUTH.NET has exclusively learned. McKagan's non-participation in the "Behind the Music"-style show leaves Slash (guitars) and Steven Adler (drums) as the only original members of the group who have opted to actively co-operate with the show's producers. As previously reported, other people that are expected to contribute to the project are Tom Zutaut (former A&R executive at Geffen Records), Josh Richman (video director), Teddy Andreadis (keyboard player), Dave Navarro (JANE'S ADDICTION, ex-RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS), Warren De Martini (ex-RATT), Gilby Clark (ex-GUNS N' ROSES) and Mike Clink (GNR producer). The documentary is scheduled to air first week in June, followed a week later by "The Making of Velvet Revolver", a behind-the-scenes look at how Slash and Duff's new band, VELVET REVOLVER, got constructed, from the songwriting process to the singer search and studio sessions. More information will be made available soon.

do you guys see something GOOD on this sentence ?  
or is just me ??  ???

They need to just cancel this shit... Its going to be stupid..

How can there be a documentary on the early days when people like Teddy Zig Zag, Dave Navarro, Gilby Clark are the ones telling the story...

For it to be a true behind the music it should have at least more than one original member....

Motley Crues BTM was bad ass... GnRs could be too if it was done right and for the right reasons... it looks like its being rushed to air before the VR video special...

I guess it's time for the duff bashers to recant...

Booker and Dizzy will catch you on this: Slash and Steven that's still two original members.

I basically agree though, saying they definitely need the 5 of 'em especially if it's about the "early days".

In all actuality, they don't need any of the guys to do the show.  Sure, it would be more credible, but let's face it,
it would be all over the place.  Blame here, blame there, etc.

Hell, it'll be nice to here from people like Clink and Navarro who have absolutely nothing to gain/lose by giving their opinions on the early days of GNR.

Unbiased opinions make for good TV as well...

I asked this on the new thread; do we know for sure that Slash is doing the show?  Or has he just not declined?