Here Today... Gone To Hell!

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Retort of the Month | 4/28/2004

Maxim Magazine, May 2004:

Say you're the guns behind Guns N' Roses and you need a frontman to replace eyebrowless loony tune Axl Rose. Where to turn? Obviously trolling rehab centers and bus stations, Slash and the guys found their man: former Stone Temple Pilot and career fuckup Scott Weiland! What could go wrong? Ignoring the offstage drama and giving Contraband a listen, we have to say ... not a damned thing. Although Rose was all maniac energy and Weiland is more boozy charm, Contraband sounds like these guys have been mainlining Appetite for Destruction. At first Weiland clearly struggles to keep up ("Sucker Train Blues"), but he finds his groove over the brash guitars and brawny drums. On "Dirty Little Thing," he knowlingly sings, "Get away from the man who's stealing your life/Get away from the drugs you're taking." He sounds like a man ready to slow down, yet he's as reinvigorated as his new mates. Welcome back to the jungle, guys.

---Jon Caramanica
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From Scott to Jon Caramanica;

In his review of our album 'Contraband', Jon Caramanica of MAXIM knows about as much about me and my legal situation as he does about our music. The article mentions my legal status which states that I will be eligible for release from rehab in July. Sorry to break your heart and take the wind from your sails but I was sprung from rehab on the 22nd of April. Now Jon, Jon, Jon - come on now - my "boozy" charm? Unless you were born yesterday you would know I was a dope fiend, not a boozer. Let's just get down to it Jon, this album sounds nothing like 'Appetite' and you know nothing about me, so if you're gonna make a record "Album of the Month" then stop the punk-ass back-handed comments!

Let's meet up face-to-face and see just how "boozy" I am in person - when I get "manic" on your ass motherfucker!

-Scott Weiland

Touchy, touchy.

It seems as though Scott's got a case of rabbit ears...

Seems a bit whingy to me, the reviewer didn't say that much bad about him in the review, it seems mostly pretty positive.
Is Scott trying to be like Axl???

This is funny as hell  : ok:

From http://www.belowempty.com/vr/articles/2004/040428_Retort_Of_The_Month.php :

Maxim Magazine, May 2004:

Say you're the guns behind Guns N' Roses and you need a frontman to replace eyebrowless loony tune Axl Rose. Where to turn? Obviously trolling rehab centers and bus stations, Slash and the guys found their man: former Stone Temple Pilot and career fuckup Scott Weiland! What could go wrong? Ignoring the offstage drama and giving Contraband a listen, we have to say ... not a damned thing. Although Rose was all maniac energy and Weiland is more boozy charm, Contraband sounds like these guys have been mainlining Appetite for Destruction. At first Weiland clearly struggles to keep up ("Sucker Train Blues"), but he finds his groove over the brash guitars and brawny drums. On "Dirty Little Thing," he knowlingly sings, "Get away from the man who's stealing your life/Get away from the drugs you're taking." He sounds like a man ready to slow down, yet he's as reinvigorated as his new mates. Welcome back to the jungle, guys.

---Jon Caramanica
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From Scott to Jon Caramanica;

In his review of our album 'Contraband', Jon Caramanica of MAXIM knows about as much about me and my legal situation as he does about our music. The article mentions my legal status which states that I will be eligible for release from rehab in July. Sorry to break your heart and take the wind from your sails but I was sprung from rehab on the 22nd of April. Now Jon, Jon, Jon - come on now - my "boozy" charm? Unless you were born yesterday you would know I was a dope fiend, not a boozer. Let's just get down to it Jon, this album sounds nothing like 'Appetite' and you know nothing about me, so if you're gonna make a record "Album of the Month" then stop the punk-ass back-handed comments!

Let's meet up face-to-face and see just how "boozy" I am in person - when I get "manic" on your ass motherfucker!

-Scott Weiland

Thanks for the heads up but there's already a thread about this:

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?board=15;action=display;threadid=12085

Bit harsh aye :rofl:

well Conny... and who're you to tell this?  ;D

A bit more practice, and Scott might reach Axl's classic "And I'm the fuckin Serpico!" level.

How long before he starts telling people to "suck his dick!!"    :rofl:

Anyway, I found it funny.

go Scott! : ok:

Very lame Weiland.  It was generally a positive review, what's to get upset about?  If being compared to Axl sets Weiland off, well then he's going to have to write a lot of letters to the press.  It's going to happen.  

While the critic forgot Weiland was a junkie, not an alchy, he sure has Botaxl figured out! Eyebrowless loony tune.........hilarious. :hihi:

Conny, chill the fuck out.  Weiland is a junky who is still detoxing...you'd be cranky too.  I can understand Scott being sensitive about the media, because he has been the target of a lot of undue criticism in the past (i'm not talking about the drugs either, he sets himself up for that criticism).  As far as Weiland trying to be Axl, give me a break.  Weiland has always been snappy and a bit quick to tell someone to fuck off.  It's not like he is new to the music scene.  he's been around since '92, and he's his own person.  He doesn't need Slash, Duff, or Matt to have an identity, anymore than they need him.  So get off this he's riding the gunners coattails shit.  It's dumb.  I know I'm on a GnR board and there is of course a lot of love for Axl.  I've got no problem with that.  He's a great frontman.  However, Scott gives anyone a run for their money live, and outside of the GnR core fanbase, Axl has squandered a lot of his mystique.

That's what I wonder too... ::)
Unfortunately for him, Scott doesn't have 10% of Axl's talent, influence and charisma. He should try to do something else...

that's right, he's got waaay more than 10%! : ok:

thank you kiedis.  like i said in my previous post.  Axl was a great frontman, but damn people, he didnt hang the moon.  I use was b/c what I saw on this last tour wasn't greatness.  Give Scott a fair chance.  He has no desire to be axl.  Axl didn't take out a patent on confronting the media.  If some of yall can get over your Axl fetish for just a little while, you will find scott to be a superb showman.

Weiland can be a good entertainer, but it seems from his rebuttal that Weiland took issue with the writer calling Axl "manic energy" and Scott more laid back.  If he's going to be so sensitive to those comparisons well then he's going to have a hard road to hoe.  And if we learned anything from Axl, it's when you threaten a magazine writer you better follow through, or they are always going to have the last word.  

I thought the retort was great.

A bit touchy, but who cares, it was very entertaining none-the-less.

 :smoking:

Weilands a joke :hihi:

When u have an arsenal of hits (and fans) behind u then maybe u can ''do an Axl''

But as drugged up loser that most people have never even heard of then he's gotta wait his turn

To be honest i found his reamrks quite funny in that he is sooooo desperatley trying to be Axl, especially the last part, ''when I get "manic" on your ass motherfucker!'', its 'get in the ring' u clown!!! :hihi:

To be fair the part of the review that bothered me was when he said the album was nothing like Appetitte....yay we have Stone Temple Pilots with different musicians!!!! Fuck.

STP fans will be over the moon, there fav band with 'upgrades' - however fans of good ol'rock and roll have gotta be feeling worried about now......

it's just the way Scott is, he's not trying to be a fake.
you accept Axl even after all the antics and stupid shit he's said, and yet, you won't even give Scott a chance....yeah yeah....a junkie loser? well if he is, then all the guys in the band is!
he's one of the best frontmen that has surfaced after Axl did.
some of you guys are just as openminded about Scott that you are about Steven Adler, I find that stupid.

I think everyone will be more favourable to what Scott has to say when we are assured of his ability, c'mon June.......

I don't know I mean the review as a whole I thought was good...He welcomed them back to Jungle didn't  he?
Scott's response sounds very bruised ego based and that's probably because to some extent, he's a bit embarrassed  :-[by the past couple of events that have happend in his life...being 30-something with a wife, kid and a knawing habit (which, I mean for awhile there, it was like, Dude you are lucky you have money behind you and rocknroll in front of you, because any other slob who was getting busted and making the choices you were making would be sitting in jail)
I didn't take it his comments seriously.  :hihi:
He just running his mouth, no harm no foul...alot like Axl...
...Axl's rants have a point -  LOL - No offense but,  :peace:
would we talking about the "I'm a victim" point, or the I'm the self absorbed, world is revolving around me" point :peace:
 

I just tried to get tix for the EFC show in Philly and I think the thing is sold out...they just went on sale this morning...

I'm chilled too now conny.  I shouldnt have said chill the fuck out, a bit rude on my part.  but yeah, i see your point.  Scott is a bit touchy, but again i think he is just a bit cranky, and trying to put his life back together.  I'm used to it being a long time STP fan, but I can def see how some of his comments worry or annoy those gnr fans that aren't used to him.  it shows a bit of instability on his part and scares us all who would like this project to succeed.  but i think all is good.

Izzy, if you're going to bash weiland, at least come up with some arguments that have merit.  you said earlier that scott is basically a no name...are you on crack?  You don't sell 28 million records and remain anonymous.  You don't write music with Aerosmith and the Doors and remain anonymous.  Unknown artists don't sell out concerts in 2 mins, which happened the last two times stp came to atlanta, not even at the height of their popularity.  You said he doesn't have an arsenal of hits?  Ok, ok, you arent on crack, now youre just drinking draino.  What do you call Sex Type Thing, Wicked Garden, Plush, Creep, Vasoline, Interstate Love Song, Big Empty, Big Bang Baby, Trippin on a Hole in a Paper Heart, Lady Picture Show, Down, and Sour Girl?  That's a list of hits, actual radio and video hits, that stand up pretty well against anyone.  It's your right to argue, but at least have some basis other than blind Weiland hatred.

Yeah i suppose u have a point.

My post was merely a comparison of STP and GNR due to the way Scott was trying to sound like Axl - in any comparison with GNR then STP do seem a nothing band.

28 million album sales - i read 14 million.....

I don't like Scott Weiland much (hopefully that will change) and what i have heard from VR is a bit dissappointing. I suppose i am just annoyed that something that had such promise.....well we will see in June whether it will live up to the hype, but i was hoping for something that wasn't STP with different musicians........

Yeah, i understand...just a big stp fan here (gnr as well), so naturally i'm going to defend scott.  yeah its 28 million, core alone has sold 8 million in the US, and Purple is approaching 7 million.  Hopefully, you'll find something more to your liking when the full album is released.

As far as I'm concerned, the only big hits there are Plush and Interstate Love Song.

I live in Europe, I guess it's different in USA. Maybe it was because Oasis was big over here when America was listening to STP.



/jarmo

From my own perspective, I agree with you.  In the 90's STP was "competing" with bands like the Pumpkins, Green Day, etc.  I'm not saying that STP didnt have great songs, they did.  But by and large, their hits were less visible than say, Smashing Pumpkins.

This is not an argument to say who is better.  It was just my observations from listening to the radio and watching MTV back in the day.  I watched a heck of a lot more tv back then than I do now.  Maybe it's because I dont have a tv now.  ;D

Jarmo, i think that's the difference in perspectives here.  A lot of y'all are from Europe so it is different.  STP wasn't nearly as big overseas as in America.  A lot of that had to do with STP not touring internationally that much because, you guessed it, weiland's affinity for smack.  In the U.S., however, all the songs i listed above were top ten singles, with the exception of down, and maybe one other, but all were successful, and still get frequent airplay on American radio.

Scott didn't say anything controversial today.

Well, unless you don't like his joke about tossing the salad

It got Howard Stern fined   :no:

well scott can afford it, I hope.

good call dude. though the comparison to Axl will doubtlessly (and somewhat correctly) be drawn when Weiland mouths off like that. From everything i've heard, this album sounds nothing like Appetite and everything like STP.
But it is absolutlely true that Weiland has nothing to prove about himself. He has over his career proved to be quite a unique talent (and a bit of a dick- always appreciated in rock and roll) and isn't riding anyone's coattails.
one thing though- this guy mentions jim morrison- has anyone ever made the comparison between scott and jim? (is it just the junkie lifestyle?) because i am a HUGE morrison fan and i never saw the comparison until now... is this something new?

Yea but at least all the member in this group will have their intruments plugged in... :hihi:

Unless Chris Pittman joins that is.... :hihi:

I disregard these jibes about poor Mr Pittman :hihi:

We all know he is the real genuis in GNR ;)

Anyway - strikes me that nobody's going to be a winner with VR's album

STP fans will find the album too 'rock' and GNR fans will find it too 'grunge'......well we will soon find out....

haha,  I thought you'd like the Pittman jab....

I don't think it sounds grunge at all.

I loved grunge in the day. And most people I know that liked those groups liked rock too. So IMHO I don't think that there will be that line divided like you said.

But who knows? :P

I think when their album comes out it will be the end of GnR (Waiting to get flamed). Only because Axl will never release the thing once VR is on the road, the radio and doing interviews. Just my opinion.

 :-\

I've always thought of Sex Type Thing as their biggest hit, or at least as well-known as Plush... and everyone knows Sour Girl.

Anyways, saying a lot of people haven't even HEARD of Scott Weiland is messed.

Scott is not trying to be an "Axl". Scott has been like thi sthe whole time. And where do you get this notion that no one has ever heard of Scott Weiland???

I don't think so.  Morrison was never a junkie, I mean he used, but he was really an alcoholic.