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This is of pure curiousity. Does anyone of you on this board know which nationality Axl?s European ancestors had? I mention it because the old Guns N? Roses was a charming mixture of different national origins. This is what is official.

Slash = half English / half Afro American :)

Matt = Norwegian (mentioned by Axl 1993 at the Oslo concert)  :)

Steven = Jewish (Adler mentioned as a Jewish name)  :)

Of course they probably come from other nationalities too. I have no idea concerning Izzy, Duff and Dizzy but a guess about Axl is that he may be Irish / German by origin. Axl?s beloved grandmother had the lastname Lintner which sound German. And the red hair ..... well could be Irish. ;)

Guns N? Roses is always called an American band but I find it quite charming that the band consisted of so many impulses from all over the world. Perhaps that would somehow also explain why the temperament of the members are so different for instance the huge different in mood between Slash and Axl. ;D

I write about this topic because (almost) every time I talk to Americans they (you, if you are American) either mention which country their (your) ancestors came from or they (you) are searching for their (your) roots. :)

But what about Axl?  

I'm not sure about AXL but i know Duff has ancestors from Cork, Ireland. He mentioned it in a interview

I heard Axl was of Scottish decent, but I could be wrong.

thats what i think the kilt was about. don't you think.
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                                 half a moto'

A quick search online for names known gave me these in origin:

Rose - Scottish, French, German
Bailey - Irish, English (not his birth name, but this is the influence he grew up under).

If any know the maiden name of his mother, they'll be able to check the origins of that too.

h a that explains the temperment of axl then.
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                           my moto'

All ginger people come from Scotland  ;D

I reckon he has roots in Scotland...

I bet Axl has Irish/ Scottish blood in him...

Btw, what kind of "nationality" is Jewish?? It's like saying "I'm half-Catholic/ half-Muslim". This is a religion, not a nationality.

Well, no offence meant but unlike Christians and Muslims, it could be discussed whether being Jewish isn?t both a matter of nationality and religion. A lot of people convert to either Christianity or Islam but only a very few to Judaism (for instance Catherine Zeta-Jones). I am no expert but I think it is very difficult to go from being non-Jewish to Jewish especially because Judaism is very much connected to the fate of the state Israel.

But this thread is not about religion. The kilt thing at concerts - as pointed out - could suggest that Axl has a relationship to Scotland.  

Don't know if Adler "sounds" Jewish, but it's also a German word (it means eagle).

I think he is related to William Wallace.... :P

In the Slane Castle, Irish concert in May 1992 Axl told the crowd he is half Irish and Duff said he was Irish too. McKagan is a typical Irish name anyway. I have the video bootleg for proof. BTW it was a great concert that doesnt usually get mentioned on GNR boards. Check it out if you can!!!

As someone said before, i think he is scottish because in the NR clip he's wearing a kilt at the wedding

Bailey ( as in his stepfather) is scotish and the Bailey is a clan, related in history to King Bruce.

Rose is more complicated. There was an Irish clan ( before the 1200's) called ROSS. They emigrated to scotland and had a family feud over who was to be chief of the clan. They separated and one branch became ROSE. They are two separate clans nowadays. The ROSE clan are actually titled people whose family Motto is " Constant and True".

But then, no one knows is Rose wasn't a shortened version of Rosen, rosenberg, rosenthal, rosenburg....In the latter case, it if was shortened, it is probably german or polish or even from netherlands AND ....jewish.

Duff mentioned in a book that his family was a quarter black.

sure that wasnt about slash??

duff is a quarter black? must be joking about his dick probably  (not gay) :hihi:

what is Gilby?

oh! i know this one!! just let me think first.........!
Gilby is open the door and let it in!
-.....no, that is how to get an elephant in a frigde.... i give up..


Clark seems, to me, as a pretty anonymous name... prolly an cowboy from the west :p

Duff does say his family is a quarter black in the Nick Wahl book.  I dont know if he means he is or maybe some of his family married into it.  He does look as white as it comes.

I think Axl cud be Scotish becasue of the kilt, the red hair and the temper so doesn't all the evidence point 2 this?
Love Rach

Well, anyone can have a kilt, anyone can also have a design made for them and the so kilt.

But now, what's fun for some of you if you like is to find out if the design axl wore already exists and which clan it belongs to...

LOL...

Good luck.

PS : Lots of red hair in scotland due to viking invasions and nordes invasions. Lots of red hair in polland and russia too. Not much red hair in ireland. Irish are celts and celts are usually short, fair skinned, light colored eyes with BLACK hair ( like the girls in the Corrs, typically irish)... ;)

But as i said, no one knows if axl's dad hadn't shortened his name to Rose from Rosenberg or something....Axl's cheekbones and his jaw are not scottish looking at all. Out of any, they'd be polish like. ;)

But as i said, no one knows if axl's dad hadn't shortened his name to Rose from Rosenberg or something....Axl's cheekbones and his jaw are not scottish looking at all. Out of any, they'd be polish like. ;)

So Axl is Polish now?! Mmmm... Why do I like the idea?   :smoking:

Seriously, what's about his cheekbones and jaw, I wonder, that of all the nationalities you would pick Polish as his origin? Sure, the gentle outline of his face is undisputably attractive   ;D  but...

About the names you mentioned like Rosenberg or Rosenthal as possible linguistic roots of Rose, they sound nothing like Polish, where the common prefixes would be -ski or -wski like Sikorski or Pulawski.

Still, the concept of Axl being Polish sounds rather uncommon and intriguing.  ;)

Why did i pick polish ? simple :

Having polish and scotish roots myself, i know that polish people have a " look" about them. especially in the lower part of the face. If you look at people in the world, each country has something specific about them.  There is something in axl's face that could also be found in Ukraine.

Now, his nose is typically irish, but the rest of the face isn't. Plus, again, many russians i know have a similar nose.

As for the linguistic, i only agree with part of it since my family name finishes with OF and originates in both poland and lithuania.
But if you want to go to the roots, i'd say a name like Rosen, rosenberg, rosentahl would originate from germany most like it. Although, one can find many surnames of the kind in Holland as well as a small city close to belgium with that name.

But many german jews emigrated to polland or holland over the years, and then had to flee because of either pogroms or the second world war. Also, many just went abroad long before that because jews were not allowed to possess their land in germany for centuries and could only be " travellers", no one would give them work. So they'd usually work like gypsies : repair tables and chairs or sells fabrics from village to village, travelling by foot and sleeping outside, even in the winter.

Anyway..i'd love axl to be scotish somehow, but i think he is a mix of different cultures and nationalities.

There is an old adage :

We are what we look.

 ;)

The hebrews say : the truth is in front of your eyes.

Now, gotta find out if my eyes need glasses or not... :hihi: ;)