Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Yeah, I just saw it on MTV Brasil, the special will be broadcast the next fridey at 20:30 (brazilian time)...I don't know what they will do, but I think that's is not a big deal...but, still, it's huge because, who watchthe brazilian MTV know that they don't like 'em so mutch...

I go to the MTV Brasil site and there's nothing about it...but I just saw on the TV, so, I think it's true...whatever...


PS.: I know that GNR always win on VideoClash or CTRL Freak, but is it because the fans who go to the site and vote for GNR win...

Nice they will do it... and a really strange too...

We brazilians know how MTV Brasil seems anti-GN?R, since the VJs always says shit about Axl...

I think the answer to that special on MTV Brazil despite of their hate over GNR is simple:

 - UNIVERSAL IS PAYING LOTS OF MONEY TO PROMOTE GH IN BRAZIL -

I?ve seen GH comercial on MTV, BAND, SBT and GLOBO!! And now that MTV special... I bet they aren?t doing because they think GNR is cool or for the fans, etc.... Truth is: for money they even sell their souls...  :rant:

seriously that you seen the GH comercial on Band, SBT and even GLOBO?!?!?!?!? I did not seen this anywhere!!! Specialy globo...I can't believe...hauhauhaua, Imagina Silvio Santos singing Welcome To The Jungle!!! ahuahauhauhauahua

But, seriously, what hour this used to come out on this channels?!?

I just saw it again...there's say that's special is Unpublished, I hope that is something huge...whatever...

I did not seen it...

By the way, how is the selling of GH here in Brazil?

Silvio cantando Guns ia ser legal, afinal, Guns ? roque!!!

I don?t know about GH selling in Brazil, I always see #1 in everywhere, but never saw nothing about Brazil...

I saw in a store yesterday, it was 40 reais!!! Very fuckin? expansive...

I'm not talkin' about rate of exchange between Dolar and Real, But, If here in Brazil, the GH cost 10, 11 or 12, just like on US and Europe, maybe I buy it...but 40 is a insult to my inteligence! Why i will give away 40 reais on a CD that I already have the whole songs?!? Must to be crazy to do something like that...By the Way, the cd's here in Brazil is soooo expansive!! Sometime I go to a rock store here on Rio de Janeiro, and I pay 108 reais on 3 cd's! Rob Halford's resurrection, Manson's Golden Age of... and Skid Row's SubHuman Race...it's a lot of money!!If it was like US or Europe I must pay something like 40! (I'm not talkin' about rate of exchange...)

For that price is better to buy UYI II and Apettite... at least you'll get Estranged, So Fine, Mr. Brownstone, It?s So Easy and Nightrain!! On GH you won?t have them!

Sorry for the absence of translation below.. It?s a joke that wouldn?t make sense in other language than Portuguese.

Imaginem o di?logo (viagem):
Depois de um Domingo inteiro fazendo suspense (junto com o Gugu ? claro) pra ganhar audi?ncia, ?s 10 horas da noite no Topa Tudo Por Dinheiro (nem sei se ainda existe):

Silvio Santos: - Agora, no palco do nosso programa, uma banda q eu nunca ouvi falar, mas minha mulher ja escutou, minha filha ja escutou, meu cachorro ja ouviu e disseram q ? muito boa!!! GNR!! (pron?ncia: g?-?ne-erre)

Axl: - Good evening!

Silvio: - Ma, ma, qual de vcs ? o GNR (g?-?ne-erre)? (fora de sacanagem, ele j? perguntou isso pro Barao Vermelho!! Ele achava que o Frejat era "o Barao Vermelho"!!!!)

Axl: - Fuck You!!

- Roque!!!!! Tira esses man? do palco! Hahaeee!! Hihi!!!! Fala Lombardi!!! O q o Axl (pron?ncia: Ach?u) ganha por isso?

- ? isso a?, S?lvio!! Ele acaba de ganhar uma cesta de produtos Kolinos!!

Chinese Democracy starts now = Axl Rose vem a?, o l?, o l?, o l?...

hauhauhauhauhauahuahauhauhauahuahuahauhauhauahuahua

"Chinese Democracy starts now = Axl Rose vem a?, o l?, o l?, o l?..."

ahuahuahuahuahuahuahuahauhauhauhauhauhauhauahuahuahau

Yeah, this dialog is impossible to be translate without a loooooooooong history before to explain all this things...

PS.: it's time to the other users learn portuguese...hehehe, joke!

Yeah, it's called "jab?". But there's another thing...
I'm not sure if Universal is payin' that much money. You know, the GH is in top 5 in some sites like submarino.com. MTV knows that GNR = audience - now, more than  in later years - so they'll put this "unreleased" special (they said "in?dito"). It brings audience and the publicity will pay back.  :smoking:
You know, I hope they'll show some of the 2002 reports, so I'm gonna see it. Never seen those before in TV. I guess a lot of other fans here will also watch it.
S? espero que aquele idiota do L?o Madeira n?o apresente, metendo o pau e se achando muito engra?ado falando "toca guns, toca guns".  :rant:

That?s also a possibility, Bruno, but anyway... there we go again, MTV doesn?t like GNR, but to atract audience = $$$ will air it anyway... Indeed, their jokes about GNR sucks!! GNR fans deserve a little more respect !!!

About the jokes and the disrespect to gnr fans, I just say one thing: To MTV Brasil, The only bands who deserve some respect is Nirvana and Charlie Brown Jr., the others...there's Shaman too, but is because the vocal, Andr? Matos, is a boyfriend of Pen?lope (VJ)...

is anyone planning to tape the show? im from Mexico so i cant see it .

WOW!! Universal?s "jab?s" seems to be a LOT higher than I thought!!! Just hope the special is really something new and cool!!!

Seems like I was wrong. It's indeed a lot of money. I just saw in "Jornal da MTV" a small part of the upcomming special, and... er... It looks like it will be just the Tokyo show. I dunno if all the show will be with only this video, but the part was November Rain from Tokyo '02 for sure.  :nervous:

Yeah...I saw "Jornal da MTV" too and the Edgard (VJ) said that is it a sample of the GNR Special...and on the comercial that I saw on the first time, was Live And Let Die on Tokio too...anyway...but it won't be the whole show, because the special will have just an hour...

The VideoClash about GNR will be like this:

Eminem ? Without Me X Guns n Roses ? You Could Be Mine

Justin Timberlake ? Like I Love You X Guns n Roses ? Welcome To The Jungle

Jota Quest ? Do Seu Lado (Brazilian Band, shit all over the band...) X Guns n Roses ? Patience

Did you mean Tokyo 1992, or Tokyo 2002?
I'm pretty sure you meant 92 but it doesn't hurt to ask...

I'm almost shoot myself!

Another commercial of this special and they show "Patience" on Tokio 92...another song of this show...and there's a write where says "In?dito" (Unpublished)...If they broadcast this show, I will kill myself!!

It's unbelieveble!! They have a lot of material of GNR!!!As far as I know they have the Ritz 88, S?o Paulo 92, Rio de Janeiro 92, Tokio 92, Rock In Rio 2 and, correct me if I'm wrong, They have one show of american tour (2002)...they have all performances on the vma's, all the videoclips and a lot of interviews too, some never broadcast!! I mean, Why they do this?? Why they broadcast a show there's is available on DVD and the whole world have it!!

I think they do that because Geffen/ Universal asked [paid] them to (in order to sell more UYI Live In Tokyo DVDs)...

probable...I hate this...

It was also the Tokyo show that they broadcasted here in Finland a couple of weeks ago.

Right now VJ Sarah said that is a show from Use Your Illusion Tour...

(She can?t say "Illusion" !!!)

the "unpublished" "special" is done...they just broadcast a couple of songs o' this show...

PS.: just songs of the first DVD...

In Europe CD's cost anywhere between 18 and 22 ?.. not 10!

Well...I saw that price in one a selling site...but, must be in one country where euro is not the official money...

Uh... sorry, I meant 92... I guess I'm brainwashed with those 2002 bootlegs.  :drool:


I don't think that MTV has Tacoma 2002... It was just some footage to the news and interviews. They don't have to record all songs or get the entire pro-shot from the GNR crew. I know this because I'm journalist and I did some reviews of a bunch of gigs here in Brazil for a tv station.  :)

What a fiasco!!!!! MTV Brazil... always ignoring us, poor fans..
announcing for days that it was an unpublished special and then showing a gig from 10 years ago, that EVERYONE have already seen!! That doesn?t exist!

They?ll probably do the same thing next week for part 2.

Bruno, guess my "jab?" theory was right... unfortunately

See ya!

Yeah, I know now...  :'(

There?s a part 2 !?

"Show me the money!"  :smoking:
Why not put some 2002 interview? Maybe Universal has no needs to associate new GNR with the classic line-up, as they made with GH.  :-\

I think that way because they played songs from the first part of the show... maybe they'll also present UYI II... some famous songs such as SCOM, PC, YCBM and KOHD are there, so...
By the way, some guy here (from Australia or Finland, not sure) said his local MTV showed the exact same show they put here, and on the next day part II, so...

But, like Bruno said, would be great if they put the 2002 interviews... but I don?t expect anything good from MTV Brazil. :drool:

COOL if there?s a part 2 !  :)

Guys, face it.
GNR WAS the best band in the world... but they aren?t anymore!


WHY?

CAUSE THEY ARE NOT RELLEASING SOME "NEW SHIT"! THAT?S WHY!
we are hardcore fans, so that TOKYO SHOW is shit to be showed with the word "in?dito" ("unpublished"), but MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT BEGUN TO LIKE ROCK N ROLL IN THE 96/97 DON?T KNOW ABOUT GUNS N ROSES! so a lot of people just like that GNR for videoclips and old interviews...
and the "product" selling right now is a GREATEST HITS... and of course geffen/$$/marketing is running in their veins  :hihi:

so why they have to show other show and not show the "best" show that GNR released as "official" GNR LIVE PERFORMANCE?

MTV BRAZIL don?t hate GNR

GNR is a "joke" right now to the midia ... RESPECT? why? if neither AXL ROSE talk to his fans?

I don?t see pearl jam videos anymore on mtv ( and pearl jam is still "alive"...)
I don?t see skid row videos anymore
I don?t see alice in chains videos anymore

I LOVE AIC, but GNR is bigger that these 3
and OF COURSE we will see a huge marketing to this CHINESE DEMOCRACY thing, BELIEVE ME.

just my thoughs btw

c-ya

Yeah, right.

Anyway, maybe you should creat a blog or something where you can post your feelings on GNR everyday... cause it's getting old to read you saying the same thing over and over again.

They don?t hate GN?R, they love money, is different...

But they respect more Alice In Chains, Pearl Jam an "Skid Rola" than GN?R... they are always making stupid jokes about Axl, saying he?s fat... Penelope alwats says it, Didi sait in in the last Videoclash... Leo Madeira always say "toca Guns"... and Sarah... she don?t even knows if Chinese Democracy exists... maybe she thinks Slash is in the band too!!!

Sorry, Renato, but I disagree with you in some points... first...
GNR IS one of the best bands in the world, because people like them a lot, and they are relevant, and not because they release or not a new album...
The Beatles and Led Zeppellin ARE two of the best bands ever, they don?t exist anymore... but they?re so important that they are present on people' s music until now!! We can't say they WERE the best... cause they still are. Same with GNR, despite of members changes, the essential is still there...

I see very young people listening / wearing shirts / talking about GNR (not as much like they do about Britney, NSync etc, but you can say that's part of the MTV influence).


MTV Brazil don?t like GNR, just see the comments from the VJ's, see how many times a GNR video / special is broadcasted there... Although the bands you mentioned are cool they can't be compared to GNR.

Yes they're  a joke because of CD delays.. think that it never happened to anyone before... but it's a problem only to GNR and to the fans.. the media should report things, which is their role in this life,  and don't give unnecessary opinions, like they do.

RESPECT.. same thing above... if they don?t like GNR, that?s their problem... We do... and the audience must come in first place.. our interests must be above their particular ones. That?s what our law displays...C?digo de Defesa do Consumidor!

I AGREED WITH YOU DUDE.
I?m saying that this is not the 92/93/94 audience anymore on mtv ... and you know that
of course GNR is one of the best bands in the world, but TO US! "HARDCORE FANS", but the most part of the people that just "liked" GNR back in time NOW don?t know the things that WE know beeing averyday in a message board...

do you remember GAST?O talking about AXL ROSE and GNR?!
MAN !!!! HE LOVED THE BAND!
but the new mtv?s audience don?t even remember GNR anymore...

of course vj?s like penelope, leo madeira saying shit about the band is not cool, but we have to face that is just "some people" there ... not the whole MTV.








TO YOU MR. estranged.1098

Thread: Seriously People, what are you holding onto?, What keeps the faith alive?

"COUSE I LOVE ROCK N ROLL
I LOVE AXL AND THE NAME GNR
I LOVE THE OLD LINE UP AND THE NEW
GNR IS MORE THAT "JUST" AXL
I SEE VELVET REVOLVER AND I JUST SEE SOME MEMBERS OF GNR DOING SOMETHING DIFERENT
I SEE AXL AND I SEE MY IDOL, THAT FUCKER THAT MADE MY CRY WHEN I WAS 11 YEARS OLD LISTENING TO PATIENCE

I FUCKING LOVE THIS BAND SO MUCH THAT I CAN?T BELIEVE THAT SOMEONE IN THIS WORLD DON?T LIKE GNR, I JUST CAN?T BELIEVE!

I ALREDY CRIED HEARING TO LAYNE STALEY ( AIC ) LYRICS AND MELODIES... WHEN HE DIED I FELT A BIG PART OF ME DYING THAT DAY, I FUCKING CRIED LIKE A LITTLE GIRL IF YOU WANT TO KNOW MAN... ME, A GROWING MAN, A BRASILIAN... AND I PRAY TO AXL TO LIVE HIS LIFE WITH HEALTH TILL H?S 100 YEARS OLD, COUSE MAYBE WHEN I 99 I DIED AND I WON?T SEE THIS MAN DEAD BEFORE ME

that?s why brow... that?s why.

( sorry the caps lock guys, I?m not screaming... )

ps: and sorry my bad english too"

This post has been edited by RnT on Apr 21 2004, 04:00 AM



a thread at MYGNRFORUM

maybe I create a blog...  :smoking:

All I'm saying is that you post the exact same thing every now and then... that's unnecessary.

As for MTV Brazil, they have the right to state their opinions no matter what their audience thinks of GNR. If they feel GNR is a joke or whatever it's their problem, but they don't have to just read the news and keep their opinions to themselves.

Well, the problem is: they have a lot of stuff with GNR. It's not like they would put Tokyo '92 because it's the only material worth. You know, GH is selling a lot and the people who wants to see this show can buy or rent the fucking dvds or even the old vhs. I guess the reason is because Universal wanted to. And, of course, not wanted to associate the GNR name with this "joke" (not my word) that Axl made with the band.
You know, I don't think that the new GNR is actually a joke. I love this new band, even without Buckethead. But it's a undeniable thing that Universal and MTV Brasil thinks that way. That's why they don't put any 2002 stuff. Of course, MTV Brasil walks with hands very tied with Universal.  :beer:
Why not put any other show then? Because it's a standard video to bring new fans. That's why they don't want to put any Ritz 88 or any brazilian show in UYI Tour. Because they just want to sell GH and, of course, the DVDs.
My problem with this "unpublished special" is because this fucking thing was aired by other tv stations here in Brazil (like Gazeta). You can't use this word to tease fans. Period. SBT now has the rights to Warner movies and they put some movies that already had aired by Globo - and SBT didn't put as "unpublished".