Here Today... Gone To Hell!

From the GNR press release Lisbon cancellation;

In the meantime rather than dwelling on the negative, Guns will be moving forward and surprisingly (without giving away any details) this unfortunate set of circumstances may have given us the opportunity to take our recording that one extra step further. Regardless we hope to announce a release date within the next few months.

ie. they have a new guitarist lined up who will not only help to finish the album but will also take it that 'one step further'.

From Wes Borlands Eat the Day website;

I also have another possible massively cool (in my book anyway) project coming up that I can't tell you anything about except that I think it's...well great, obviously."

Do the math. If Buckethead is leaving GNR and they are not touring without him then they are shopping for a new 3rd Guitarist. Borland would have to be on Axl's list of potential replacements and he would be the perfect fit for the new band! In terms of pulling power he would actually give the new GNR that extra bit of credibility to not only the record but also a tour.

If you are trying to appeal to the 'nu-metal' crowd then who better than THE nu-metal guitarist!

What's ironic that in some quarters Buckethead was always held up as a Borland wannabe!

Let's all hope that Borland helps finish the album, it's released for Christmas, he get's offered and agrees to tour and we can all get on with our lives! Enough already!

i don't think the words "credibility", "nu metal" or "limp bizkit" don't belnog in the same sentence.

JEEZ Christ!!
WES BORLAND CAN'T PLAY!!!!!! and i've heard his solo albums and they SUCK! he can't play!

this is just pure imagination.... but if axl was to find someone new, he could actually find someone who played guitar in the first place so just don't go there....

Gotta love how in the world of GNR we can all start believing that anyone doing some new project that they can't talk about automatically gets everyone believeing he is "the one"

No doubt....completely unrelated.

Welcome to the board - your first post fits in here!!!!

Buckethead a Wes Borland wannabe? Pllllleasssse....... - Not only was Buckethead first.... that just insulting..... no comparison.....

No way i dont want wes borland in GN'R, his style doesnt suit :no:

Buckethead is like 10 times better...

Although I can't see this happeneing, I will give you a connection. Borland hangs out with the Tool crowd and I believe Pitman does too. It is not far fetched that the two camps would know each other.

He'd be a welcome addition for sure

As much as I hate Limp Bizkit, and I dislike the noises that Wes has put out as solo projects, he is actually one hell of a good guitar player.

Joining GNR would actually give him solid credibility as a guitarist with the people who say he cant play just because he was in a band with a lame songwriter.

Perfect fit? Not really, Borland is a very average guitarplayer. Good showman (where have I heard this before?), but that s it.


He would surely give the band power in a live setting but that s it (again). Don t expect too much music-wise from him. Borland s biggest talents are his make-up skills and the jumping he does on stage (but then again he jumps really high).


I don t consider myself part of the nu-metal crowd. What has the new GNR to do with nu-metal?


No, what s ironic is that Buckethead was already playing like Satriani on acid when Borland couldn t even tie his own shoes. So who wants to be who? Borland probably wishes he could ever reach Buck s level of playing.


Let s hope he stays away from the album as far as possible! Have you ever heard Borland s solostuff? The best thing one could say about it, is that it s funny...

Nu-metal represents the dark-ages in guitarmusic. After years and years of great guitarmusic in the 60s 70s 80s, it single handedly turned the guitar into nothing more than a background instrument. A player coming from this background could never fit well in a band like GNR. Borland wouldn t recognize a guitarsolo if it bit him in the ass.

-PEACE-


No, I 've heard his solostuf it really sucks, both technical and musical....

Acctually.. i would be a great deal if Wes Joins GN'R and helps finishing the album... but acctually like someone said before Buckethead is a hell lot better so in this post im acctually neutral, i dont care what happens Gn'R has had so many guitarists in their lifes so im happy they release the album already... i mean come on... wewe been promised an album for a while now.. and acctually it has gone a hell lot of whiels now..

As long as Finck or Fortus aren't playing lead i don't care who is on lead, even if its Axl........

Just keep the rest of them from ruining any more solo's.....poor November Rain, poor Sweet Child.....u inhuman monsters!!!!!!!!

Limp Jizz-kit sucks the big fat bag and so does leslie borland. :yes:


Bunch of little fucking goofs. :yes:


[puke]

[puke]

and, [puke]


Thank you. [bow]

I will say that if a guy from Limp Bizkit joins Gnr, it is O-V-E-R. I could not think of anyone less suited to be in Gnr.  >:(

Indeed. Imagine those ugly guitar sounds (both clean and distorted channels) in some song like Oh My God (with barithon guitar, I guess). It would be lame! Fuck, Axl didn't look for players who has only "atittude" skills. He wants a good guitar player with experimental and unique sounds.
A good choice to replace Buckethead? Why don't you call Paul Gilbert, Axl?  : ok:  :beer:

In response to Slipdisc,
 
Perfect fit? Not really, Borland is a very average guitarplayer. Good showman (where have I heard this before?), but that s it.

- GNR already have Finck and Fortus, if they are going down the 3 guitar player route what they need is someone like Borland. He's contemporary, got a track record and is a great showman. Just what they need if they are to attempt tour the US again! He'll bring added interest to the record/tour package.

He would surely give the band power in a live setting but that s it (again). Don t expect too much music-wise from him. Borland s biggest talents are his make-up skills and the jumping he does on stage (but then again he jumps really high).

- GNR musically is a group effort so they don't need to rely entirely on him, though in my view he's underated solely because he used to be in LB. Live, yes he's great.


I don t consider myself part of the nu-metal crowd. What has the new GNR to do with nu-metal?

- By new metal crowd I am referring to pretty much the whole record buying/ concert going public under the age of 25. If GNR are to pick up where they left off then face it, they need the kids in the LB tee shirts at their gigs. They won't selling anywhere near the 10 million +units they need to of CD record otherwise.


No, what s ironic is that Buckethead was already playing like Satriani on acid when Borland couldn t even tie his own shoes. So who wants to be who? Borland probably wishes he could ever reach Buck s level of playing.

- Yet Borland, with laces flapping, would still probably sell more records and concert tickets in addition to adding  more 'buzz' to the new GNR than Buckethead. Buckethead probably wishes he could have the same impact as Borland did in his work with LB!


Nu-metal represents the dark-ages in guitarmusic. After years and years of great guitarmusic in the 60s 70s 80s, it single handedly turned the guitar into nothing more than a background instrument. A player coming from this background could never fit well in a band like GNR. Borland wouldn t recognize a guitarsolo if it bit him in the ass.

-This is 2004! I saw GNR in 1987 and there wasn't a keyboard player in sight. Now they have 2!!! Times change and like it or not Borland is held up as being probably the leader of the new wave of guitar player today and his joining the new GNR would speak volumes about them being a contemporary act.

I saw the new GNR live in 2002 and in my view Buckethead was always taking the piss playing Pirates of the Carribean crap. Why did he not just come straight out with it and admit to being a mercenary bastard who was in it for the money/profile.

Buckethead was the antithesis of Slash but now he's gone and GNR need a replacement, Borland fulfills the same role, is known to the new GNR camp (through Pitman) and about 5 million more people have heard of him than Buckethead.

Who would you have?

ps. Have you heard some of the bollocks Bucketheads done??? The kindest thing to say is that solo records are often no indication of ability!

mmmm........someone less suited howz about somebody from Blink 182, anywayz as for what if Wes joined i think it would suck he ain't anything special but i also don't think Axl would do something like that just to get more over with fans 2day i mean he ain't gonna get him for his talent

First off: Wes Borland isn't all that good.

Secondly: Why do they need a third guitar player anyway

and D.) If they do add a third guitarist why does it always have to be some reject from a bad metal band.......why not some unknown phenom out of the Berkley School of Music or something like that.......90 % of those kids could smoke Buckethead, Johnny5, and Wes Borland anyway

BS, maybe they can kick Borland's en 5's ass, but the only guy that could -smoke- Buckethead was Shawn Lane (RIP). Nobody else..

-PEACE-

People,   just LIVE with it!       GNR were over and DONE the day SLASH left!
IT wouldn't be GNR even if MATT,  DUFF and GILBY stayed.
But now?
This is AXL's   solo project called GNR.
Iam not saying this to offend anyone,  but for people who are above 20,  who used to go to their concerts,  who were 'there'  when they were 'there',  this is not interesting to say the least!
You'll never see Dead Horse,  Paradise city,  Estranged,  Nov.  Rain,  SCOM,  Breakdown,  Bad Apples,  Locomotive,  COMA,   WTTJ,  Don't cry,  Rocket queen,  Nightrain,   My Michelle,  Mr.  B,   Back off...,  the way there were.  NEVER!
That is the reason why most of the songs aren't even played since they left (a couple were from this list, a couple...).
AXL is aware nobody else can play them the guys did,  and he is not even trying.
I don't offend or provoke anyone,  but GNR as we liked them are DONE.
Nu-metal,  techno or whatever AXL is trying to appeal to new generations is bull shit.
GNR (just like NIRVANA,  PUMPKINS, ZEPPELIN,  PERAL JAM,   QUEEN...),  were so big they didn't need to care if someone likes them or not.
The day AXL did try to appeal, it DIED!
I don't care if its Borland,  Can head, Nu - Metal,  Rap or Techno,  IT IS NOT GNR anymore.
 

Im so smart..lol...I was the first person to suggest Wes Borland..as soon as Bucketface left i named some guitar players...and Wes was of them..since his departure with limp bizkit and he fits perfectly with GNR.....I think this is obvious..Borland aviasly listened to GNr growing up
   

And has anyone seen some of the Rio songs downloaded of kazza(Videos). It shows Wes Borland at the starting of all the videos... :yes: :confused: :rofl: :o :-\ :-*

AGH!!!!  :rant:
I hope that pet doesnt get into GNR... i want rock n roll guitar player not nu metal cunts!

Because the 2 they currently have are crap.........

Borland...now there's a great guitarist!

Why dont Axl hire the guy from Linkin Park as well, and we would really get the party started!

GNR CROATIA is a fukkin' wanker. YES YOU!!!!!
Man, you must have just got out of high school, na year 1 i bet. When will dick heads like you realise NU-METAL is dead n' stop trying to put that shit onto GNR.
1/ What is the difference between Matt n' Gilby being a replacement then what GNR is now, WANKER, please...
2/ I am fukkin' 21 in a month, no shit im not gonna hear some of the old school shit, the old school is gone, they left our favourite band, thanx Axl for not giving up.
3/ If Axl wanted to appeal to the new generation, he would get some fuck wit like Wes Borland in the band but he hassent n' wont. Thank fuck!!!
3/ When the fuck did Axl try to appeal.
4/ You live with the fact that your a follower who gose with the trendes n' wouldnt have the guts to say what music you really like.
5/ You suck!!!...


Does anyone actually think Wes Borland can pull off the shit they need......Just listen to Break Stuff, man those guitar chords are all over the place.....yep..he's the man????????
Its like American Idol shit hear.

Axl, maybee this world does'nt deserve GNR, couse corperate America will only expect whats exceptional, which is hip hop, have to be with the trend, yo i dig it fukkin' bull shit.
Just sing "It tast good...dont it" again Axl and you'll be there. The world (america) is tooooooo interested in a band who will sing about bitches n' ho's motherfucker i fuck you up fuck fuck fuck, ....what happen to the rock star???
Sorry 'bout the shit everyone,
over n' OUT!!!!!!

amen

Sometimes u lot puzzle me

Many people claim they don't want Wes Borland and his 'nu metal' in GNR - but raise no complaints to Nsync Fortus ???

I think we can all agree no matter how bad Limp Bizkit are, they are considerably better than Nysnc and Enrigue Inglesias.....

Sometimes people who don't understand the fact that he wasn't part of NSYNC puzzle me.  :P

It was a job just like GN'R. He's a professional musician, NSYNC paid him to play with them, so he did. It doesn't make him a band member.



/jarmo

I don't know anything abour Borland....but didn't he leave Limp Bizcuit because he was sick of Nu metal?  I thought he left Limp even before Nu Metal became uncool?  So labeling him a Nu Metal guitarist wouldn't make sense then would it?.....

I dunno, like I said...I don't know much about Borland.  Though I must say there's about a 0.08% chance that his message has ANYTHING to do with GNR

Jarmo, I know it is off topic, but I'd like to formally ask for a permanent, automatic spell-checker for anyone posting.  My brain hurts after reading some of these posts.  And yes, I am whining, but this is how I feel after reading some of this:  :drool:

Mike

I love how everyone hates Wes Borland, when in reality he can actually play. His solo record (not records) was a joke. It was called BIG DUMB FACE for Christ's sake. It had songs titled "Mighty Penis Laser" and the like. They weren't meant to be good - they were meant to be funny to the people that got it. Yeah, the fact that he was in one of the shittiest bands ever (LB) doesn't make him look good, but he can actually play the guitar - I've seen it.

Hate by association is stupid.

HEADLINE FROM THE FUTURE!:

WES BORLAND TO JOIN BLINK 182!!

 ::)

He could be doing anything...

If theres gonna be any limp dick shit in GNR I will fuckin remove my GNR tattoo and burn all my records with them!! That's how it is YO!!

Kindly get over yourself.

Robin Finck is the nuts of a guitar player, who unlike 98% of contemporary players puts real feeling into his guitar playing.

And like what Richard Fortus does aside from GN'R, he is a sturdy player himself who handles what he does absolutely fine.

Wes Borlands new project is with Rob Zombie not Axl...
Sorry to kill this rumor....

That?s exactly what I thought of Fink before he was in the band...and now look at him play and my mouth shut.

lb turned into real shit from being just shit after borland left so he might have something to add i guess, atleast when it came to lb, but the thought of a new metal guitarist in gn'r is like a bad dream.... bucket have got some serious skills and a unique sound, he really added something... don't see borland doing the same...

I don't see where i said he was member of Nysnc.....

u people will bitch regardless

it could be john frusciante joinin and u people would bash him

borland is not only an excellent guitarist he is also an excellent showman has great stage presence and is very creative

he would be excellent!

Izzy, why do you post here if you don't even like the band?  ??? Finck and Fortus are both just mind-boggling, IMO.

Because i'm a massive fan of Axl Rose. I can't help it if he surrounds himself with the musicians he does.

I continue to follow GNR because of Axl Rose. Unlike some people i don't automatically love whoever Axl works with.

When they produce quality music i will gladly applaud. But i'll wait till then before i run my mouth about how 'good' they alledgedly are.

the truth is there isn't ANYONE who could join that everyone would be happy with. ...... is there?

Slash
Izzy
Gilby

 this is just sad... saome patience man

I really don't understand people who are still saying things like you do Izzy. You guys must (still):

- be frustrated by the fact that Izzy and Slash are gone ,
- or be very limited in 'hearing' music (I am glad Axl is everything but that),
- want to be GN'R's guitarist yourselfs (is that it???),
- have little respect for people who work hard in an attempt to achieve great things,
- be unable to enjoy new things,
- or be a negative person in general

The good thing is however, all these things can be worked on!! You only need the will (to improve your life) and you can't be lazy.  : ok:

And please, try to give your upinion about a person or their work with respect in the future. Most of the times they deserve it. You'll find it will actually get you a lot further. 8)

Good luck and good bye!

N ! 3 |(

You don't wait Izzy! Instead you run your mouth about how 'bad' they alledgedly are!!

N ! 3 |(

Pathetic, absolutely pathetic

I disagree with you aboout music and i'm wrong? What kind of fascist are you?

Since when has there been one doctrine?

Ever heard of Michael Angelo, Tony Rice, John Petruccie, Yngwie Malmsteen etc..?

You are wrong about being disrespectful. Again.

N ! 3 |(

Izzy, the fact is that Finck and Fortus *ARE* both great guitar players, and I think you're just sour that Slash or Bucket isn't playing. I happen to love both of them, not just because they play behind Axl, but because they do the band and the music justice...

Stating opinions as fact?

Evidence please, for example: superb riff or solo they have written.

They are both competant guitarists. My whole point is thatr they aren't great though.


I don't try and psychoanalyse you. Please don't try and psychoanalyse me.


Good for you. Doesn't change their ability though.


Hmm, the way Finck butchered sweet child o'mine and November Rain inclines me to disagree

Finck's daft onstage movements and costumes also hardly do the band worthy.

As support players i don't have a problem with them. There good enough

As GNR's lead guitarists, as the men charged with replacing the ability of Buckethead and Izzy and Slash and Gilby....thats where i have a problem with them.

Yea.  You guys are right!  Any guitarist who can play Holy Wars...The Punishment Due, better than the guy who wrote it, is a really shitty guitar player.  Lets not get him in GNR.

Like I said, I'm not a fan of the guy, but I give credit where its due.  LB was kind of a restraining band-which is why he left them, and as said above-solo projects dont always show a players talent.  Buckethead has some tracks that just sound like odd sound effects for christs sake!

 :hihi: :hihi:Good One!!!
Fortus isn?t that bad but come on, Robin Fink??
He totally sucks!!!
Waaaaaait,dont talk that easy, It would be gnr?s apocalipsis if axl started to play lead!!!!!!

Do you know what hapens??
Slash, Izzy or Gilby are GnRs guitaar players.They are the only ones to fit there.Of course Buckethead plays fast, and Fortus isn?t bad, but they dont fit in in the REAL GnR.Know What I?m saying??

What makes Gilby more of a GNR player? Finck's been in the band longer than Gilby ever was. And Izzy, I'll call you and say I think Finck plays the SCOM solo *better* than Slash. Yep.

 :hihi: Izzy, let me take these one for you.
 :hihi:Seems a lot of people here make really good jokes.
First, Fink is a great guitar player :hihi:, and then Fink plays one of slash?s  best solos better than slash himself, for gos fucking sake!!!

Maybie the fact that he was chosen by the real GnR guitar player(slash obviously) and by the fact he was in the last GnR encarnation(the  one that didnt cancel tours and the one that  puted  out cds)
C?m on, I cant belive that there are people who think Fink plays better and fits better in GnR than Gilby....

Michael Angelo, Tony Rice, John Petruccie, Yngwie Malmsteen would all make me puke.

I want someone under the age of 80 in GNR. Let's suggest all the old farts!!!!!
Even Brian May....  too many horrible suggestions.

Michael Angelo sounds to ponsy anyhow.  I suggest he change his fake name to Leonardo DaVinci.

Damnit... If I wanted another 80's Cock-Rock band - I would be here - But I want something innovative....
If you had some taste and was considering Devin Townsend in your wet dreams of grandeur I would agree - but this whole conversation is lunacy.......

Wait and see.......but for god's sake no Malmsteen or anyone else out of the retirement home - get real!!!!

I really think Nigel Tufnel is the best replacement  :rofl:

BLASPHEMY!!!!!!

I'd take Nigel over Wes Borland anyday, seriously.  How is anything related to the vomit-inducing genre of nu metal "innovative" anyway???  

Axl has already shitted his credibility away, and hiring some goon like Borland would be the final nail in his coffin.  I think everyone here realizes that 95% of rock fans would never accept a clown like that playing for "Guns N' Roses."  Hell, 95% of rock fans are already pissed-off enough because Slash is gone.  Buckethead are Finck are bad enough (if for their freaky image alone; they are good, maybe even great, players, don't get me wrong) as the fans are concerned, but I have a feeling Axl would be receiving death threats if he were to ever stoop that low.

Sadly, I have a feeling Axl might actually consider a Wes Borland, knowing how desperate he seems to stay "relevant."  Hell, as long as he's making his alternative-rock album, he might as well get a guitarist from that era who can play.  I would suggest Jerry Cantrell, late of Alice in Chains.  Now, I think he could do Slash's solos justice in concert, and act some real creative spark to the band.  And he has credibility with rock fans, being as Alice in Chains were one of the most beloved rock bands of the ?90s - and rightfully so.  I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this (at least to my knowledge).

I agree I totally love him on SCOM, OTGM, TB and his parts in ISE, YCBM as well. I like his part in NR too, although I think he could do better.

I don't like Bucket's part in NR, I miss the (original) emotion there. However I love his parts on several other songs.

I'm impressed by Richards rhythm work but can't be that impressed by his solo parts yet. I look forward to his work on CD because Axl seems pritty impressed by him.

Slash still is a God I think for creating some of the most important guitar stuff in Rock 'N' Roll history.

N ! 3 |(

Hot damn, maybe the fact he's been on a GNR album? :hihi:


I feel some what vindicated by that stupid statement.

I take some satisfaction that no one has been able to give me a sensible argument for either Finck or Fortus. Saying their 'great' doesn't transform them into something else....

I notice the same people so deeply in love with Finck are often the same people who were so in love with Buckethead....but now despise him since he left......

Axl Rose isn't King Midas. Not everything he touches turns to gold.

Well Izzy..

You CONSTANTLY refer to him as Nsync Fortus..

And you compared peoples views on Wes Borland being from Limp Bizkit/the nu metal scene and 'Nsync Fortus', as if Fortus was a member of Nsync like Wes was in Limp Bizkit.

Again, he did some session/live stuff as a job! Nsync are hardly a proper band (I classify a band as a group playing the instruments) anyway, he was basically a background musician. I guess we'll go over this again next week with you.

Not only heard them but saw them live too (some)...

Buckethead and Lane are eons ahead any of those players. Lane is not only the best guitarist that even picked up the axe, he is also one of the best musicians of the past century. Both Buckethead and Lane admired each others work a lot (Lane was very impressed by Buck's crazy style and ability to create very ambient records like Colma).

The fact that Buckethead eventually found a way to play (in a live setting) a piece Lane constructed (by recording individual notes) of which he (Lane) thought it could NEVER be played live, earned Buckethead a lot of respect. Later Buckethead based alot of his style on this.

Lane is the one guitarist who humiliated both Vai and Malmsteen, by showing up at shows or clinics and then play pieces of which he knew that those players never really mastered them (like "Presto Vivace", Malmsteen still cries himself to sleep over this :P).

None of those players can stand in Lane or Buck s shadow. Angelo isn t even a real musician, the things he does are more suitable to be displayed in a circus, pure guitar-gymnastics.

-PEACE-


PS: I know offtopic, but I already gave my opinion on Borland (It hasn t changed :P  ;D).

Look i'm tired of this - i will remind u i didn't start this 'debate' anyway

Its the hypocracy that pisses me off

Its alright for people to not want Borland in the group because he was once with Limp Bizkit but its not alright for me to be annoyed because of the shit Fortus has played with in the past, wtf?

Do you see the lack of consistency??

I have never said he was a member of Nysnc..... ::)

At the end of the day i am entitled to my opinion. I don't like Fortus and i have limited faith in Finck's ability.

U disagree. Big deal.

I don't try and change your views on the band so why do u feel the need to attack mine?

I'm here for the genius that is Axl Rose. I don't have to like the fools he's surrounded himself with.

Too bad he can't play all the instruments by himself so that you could be happy....  :P



/jarmo

Dammit Jarmo, dont go giving him any more sly Ideas.  I dont want to wait 10 more years while he learns drums and bass!!

No kidding. Too bad Axl can't hook up with Prince. Prince will play all the instruments on the record, produce it and even sing the vocals that Axl doesn't feel like finishing.
:)

Or Lenny Kravitz, he plays the whole damn orchestra!!!!!

Izzy, you asked about some good original stuff by Fortus and Finck. Anything I'll say here you'll disagree but, it's a subjective thing anyways, so, we can stay only in one song: The Blues.
- Finck wrote that middle solo (not Zakky Wylde, please everyone, don't come with this bullshit again) and, for sure, it's amazing. I guess a lot of people thinks the same. It have soul, power and a big evolution with the wha-wha (reminds me a bit of Slash's solo in SCOM). Period. I'm talkin' about writing, not the performance (I know Finck screw up the solos and riffs sometimes - yes, sometimes, not all the time, as some likes to complain).
- Fortus played some incredible outro solos for this same song. In my opinion, the Pittsburgh one is the best, but he did an awesome job in other NA shows. He did improve Madagascar a lot too and, with Finck's guitar work in this song, it makes the tune very powerful.
As you know, we just know a few "new" songs, so I guess it's not that fair to compare to all the stuff Slash wrote. And, as you know too, it's not this guys fault that Axl want to hide his "big guns", as he said once (and so many doubt).
One more time: it's my opinion, you'll disagree for sure, but don't back with this:
I guess saying their "fools" doesn't transform them into something else either...

There's an attempt there at an argument

First off IF Finck did write the part in the Blues then that shows promise but to counter that i could point to the er....well his 'efforts' in NIN.........also while the Blues is a wonderful song the guitars are hardly awesome, they are good but lets keep this in perspective.

As for Fortus he wrote none of the new stuff, having joined after they had already performed those songs. Perhaps he is a creative genuis, we don't have the evidence to say either way. My problem with him is not really his guitar ability, i have already said he is very competant.

Anyway, i'm getting a little bored of this. Ultimately we're debating their potential for GNR. I don't think there up to it, other people think they are. Its not the end of the world.

I also thought this thread was about Wes Borland (a fine guitarist).......

Hmmmm, I think I'll write a post on topic.....  ;)

We are lead to believe that the songs on Chinese Democracy have been composed (i.e structure/solos/etc), and songs maybe for another couple of albums too.

Therefore if Borland were to come in, it would be to play these songs live for definate and maybe record parts for the albums.

There is no way Axl is gonna get someone in who can't do this, or someone who doesn't have as much of a contribution to make as Buckethead. That would be going backwards, and as we know, the man's a perfectionist.

It follows then that if Wes did join GNR, then musically Axl would see him as up to scratch, and the songs would be as good. So musically I don't have a problem with him joining.

As for commercial success. Now we're talking!!! Ex Limp Bizkit guitarist Wes Borland, Axl Rose, Guns N Roses. Old Axl fans, Bizkit/Borland fans. Like it or not, that album would sell like a motherfucker.

Of course you have to wonder how Borland's sound will effect future albums if he becomes a long term member. That might put a lot of traditional GNR fans off a lot. Then again some here would have you believe that Axl decides every note and the band are just puppets  :hihi:

@#$%Muther

Not in direct response to you Motherfunker, but I have to pick up on these points.

I haven't listened to a lot of LB but I know all the well known stuff obviously.  To put it bluntly the playing on their songs is diabolical, can you even name one song with an average solo?  I'm not saying that technical ability is everything, but there's only so much you can do without it.  Borland has managed to produce a couple of 'catchy' riffs but that's the limit.  Bucket could come up with millions times better stuff than every guitarist from nu-metal put together.

The other point is one I just don't get.  Why is it so important for people here that CD is a great commercial success?  What does it prove?  It's got to be quite marketable obviously in so far as it's on a huge record label (who want to be satisfied it can be sold in large quantities before releasing it at all), but I couldn't give a fuck about that personally and neither should anyone else here.  If it comes out it comes out and that's it.

To tell you the truth, I want the album more than anything whether it's commercially succesful or not. However, there is a side of me that wants to say to people "See, I told you so..... Guns N Roses are the fuckin best". The only way I'll be able to do that is if it makes a huge impact commercially. I suppose that's the reason for many people.

Your right about LB's music. There's nothing there to suggest musical brilliance. But like I say, if he does get into GNR, he must be capable of doing the job. Chances are he won't and he isn't.

@#$%Muther

Well, a topic about wes borland  ended un being a topic about the new Gnrs shity guitarrists...


:hihi:C?m on!!It isn?t a bad solo but I could make a better one myself.
Of course he didn?t!!!Zakk  is waaaaay better guitarrist and he could have made a magnificient solo!!
I?m definetley not a fortus hater but definetley a fink hater!!

I wasn't saying they should be in GN'R.  I was saying that they're all just as good if not better than Bucket.

And do you even know who Tony Rice is?

Michael Angelo is his real name.  And even if it wasn't, I'm sorry, I didn't realise you we're so against stage names...like AXL, IZZY, SLASH and DUFF...

Yeah, I didn't think you knew who Tony Rice was.

Well, yeah, Lane is better than all of them.  But Buckethead isn't.  I was talking about guitar playing ability, and Angelo is better player than Buckethead.Malmsteen...well that's debatable..(has been and will be for all eternity), I personally don't like him anywhere near as much as Bucket, but my main point wasn't to argue who was actually the best, it was that Buckethead and Lane aren't (/weren't RIP) the only people who could play the guitar.

Wes Borland is shit and don't deserves all this talking. But, anyways, I'm talking about how the actual GNR line up is good enough, despite what some people likes to say. Of course Borland is not welcome in this band. He has no skills to replace Buckethead. Period. It needs anything more to say?


Yeah, sure, you could do a better solo than anyone in any song. But you didn't. Malmsteen could do a better job than Hendrix, but he didn't. Maybe I could make a better job myself too, but I didn't. So what?
It's very easy to say that... As I said before, it's not like I'm the only person who thinks this solo is amazing. Even if it was, it's my opinion. Too bad you disagree. :no:


Yeah, Zakk is a fucking killer guitar player. But hey, maybe he would just shred and put his harmonics in this solo and could make a piece of shit near this Finck's solo. I know it wouldn't gonna happen this way, but I'm trying to explain how something just fit and it's good the way it is.


You're a Finck hater? No way dude, I'm shocked!  :o  :drool:  See? That's why anything I said here and in that another post above you will disagree. You just hate the guy and anything he play you'll dislike. It's just a taste thing...

Man, I hope tou?re joking... this two guys just can?t play... they just put and effect and play and aleatory note... just horrible...

I think it's important to some of us that CD do well because we're all rooting for Axl in one way or another. We (atleast the one who are anticipating CDs release) hope that his efforts pay off. We want to see him succeed.  Also, if CD does well, it will open up the door to many things we'd love - like encouraging him to put out follow up CDs, merchandise, tours, MTV coverage. If CD sells well, GNR will be huge again and for some of us that means that music/pop culture will be interesting again.

You are confusing Guns N? Roses and Britney Spears...

The project that Wes is talking about is Nine Inch Nails - not GNR.
Apparently, Trent has invited him to join the band when NIN's album is out and the band is ready to tour. So unless Axl can somehow pry Wes away from Trent, he won't be in GNR.  That's the talk on the street.

Thank you madison (for those who don't know, she doesn't speak "only to be heard" but rather speaks only when she "has something worthwhile to say").

By the way madison, I remember you heard during the ill-fated 2002 GN'R tour what the first single was going to be...........care to share?? or is "mum" still the word??


Regarding this topic........Wes Borland & Robin Finck in the same band doesn't "feel" right.

But I dont hate him because of anithyng.I just dont like him because  of his bad playing, his laughable stage precence and his horrible makeup.
In base of that I hate him.

Actually, his post on his site talks about the Zombie project and THEN says "I also have a super cool blah blah, can't talk about it, blah blah."

It also mentions solo material he is thinking of releasing.

Back on topic.  Wes Borland doesn't hold a candle to Buckethead.  Let's just hope for his return.

I don't understand why every one hates limp bizkit.  I think they have some really kick ass songs.  Their new album Results may very is alwsome.  I like the whole thing.  Of coarse I'm only 21, so maybe that's the reason I like them.  I don't know.

But as far as Wes Borland replaceing Bucket,  I guess I would be neutral.  I can't see that he would hurt or help the band.

He would fuckin' destroy it!

That bloke Robin F. is doing a pretty damn fine job of replacing Slash. Buckethead on the other hand (as good as he is) never really appeared all that busy when playing live. Why don`t they just get Izzy back, he dosn`t seem up to much these days  : ok:

...if he did, he`d probably set fire to his paper hat  :rofl:

I guess Izzy will replace Jhonny Thunders in New York Dolls, so...  :no: