Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I?ve just read Mark Putterford?s Over The Top The True Story of Guns N? Roses and I must say I was shocked of reading the way Axl treated his fans. In particularly on page 106 it says:

"A senior (who?) music business figure told the author ... I can remember an occasion when a young fan of the band managed to smuggle himself into a party they were throwing. When Axl found out he had two of his minders drag the poor kid outside and hold him down while he kicked the shit out of him. That?s typical of how they (GNR) treat people. They don?t give a shit."

This makes the present discussion whether Axl treats his fans good or badly sounding like a tragical joke. I?ve never heard Rose apologize for this disgusting behaviour during the resent years and in that light I don?t find it any surprise that he hasn?t even bothered to tell his many faithful fans about the delay of the new cd up till now where Buckethead seems to be a "perfect" scapegoat. There will be no Chinese Democracy ever - trust me - but I am sure that we will all hear the pieces after 2010 when no one fucking cares ! Sad but true. >:(  

I think this is absolute bullshit..axl wouldnt kick a kid..this is a huge lie..and if he did hed face a lawsuit

Bullshit i say :hihi:

I haven't read that book, but I view anonymous quotes like that with suspicion.  Certainly, Axl isn't known for his empathy, but I don't believe he does it on purpose or with intentional malice.  

i read that book somewhat recently and the author definitely demonstrates a bias toward Axl, and on the negative side.
Question: when, during the Illusions tours, did they do the "making fucking videos" for DC, NV and Est...? Because the author contends that by the second leg of the illusions tour, the band was pretty much disintegrating (as a result of Axl's chronic lateness and overall "issues"), but when i rewatched the making of (at least DC), they all looked like they were really jelling... so, does anyone know when the videos corresponded with the tour?

All I am going to say is that I hope that William Hung......the she bangs dude from American Idol is a GNR fan and Axl does indeed beat the shit out of him :yes:

What is this world coming to?  How in the fuck did HE get a record album? :nervous:


On topic........I doubt Axl Rose would beat up a fan.........but who knows........he's human like you and me and I am sure people piss him off as they do you and I.

I only see Axl starting something if he is provoked.  

You mean like he didn't attack and maul that fan in the infamous St Louis incident?   :P

I think I heard that Axl looked into the audience and saw this fan beating his girlfriend.  That is why Axl jumped off stage and beat him up.

I forget where I heard this.  I could be wrong but oh well.  

Axl just strikes me as the guy who is really nice......but has his limits with people. :smoking:  

No, what happened was Axl caught somebody videotaping him from the audience and security wouldn't apprehend the guy, so he jumped in the crowd, punched him in the face, and stormed off stage, starting a riot.

As for Axl being a nice guy....

"Throwing folding chairs at fans off a hotel balcony... that's just being mean."
-Henry Rollins, on Axl

There's more to the St. Luis incident. Apparently Axl told the security about the guy and they didn't do anything, because that person was from a local gang and had some deal with the security to tape the show. So Axl was pissed off and jumped on the guy and then left the place claiming security problems, being supported by the band in doing so.

"As for Axl being a nice guy" none of us can really tell, because no one here lives with him.

It's not all bad stuff:

June 13th, 1992 - Brian May joins GN'R at Wembley Stadium in front of 72,000 people to perform Queen's "Tie Your Mother Down" and "We Will Rock You".
This show is regarded as the hottest show on the tour so far. During the show Axl has one trouble-making drunken fan removed from the crowd. Later he stops the show so that security can help a young girl, who he spots in distress at the front of the crowd.

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 ;D


/jarmo

With this band a lot of shit turns out to be rumours, so i will say that if it's true axl= a real cockhead

If it's false=Writers and magazine journalists should shut the fuck up about axl

How about on Live Era (the song eludes me) where Axl stops the show and has the house lights all turned on, and asks the entire crowd to take a step back because the people up front are getting crushed???

Thats a real dickhead thing to do to your fans, isnt it?

Everyone has behaved badly in their lives (even Henry Rollins). Am I excusing it, no, but at the same time I don’t want to judge it (playing judge and jury is a waste of “my fucking” time.  When Axl does do mean things, then fine, it’ll come back to him (I think 2002 was proof of that-LOL), and once in a while, (all of us) let go of our egos, realize the world is not revolving around us, that we’re not “special, and actually extend kindness to our friends, family, strangers, with no attachment to the outcome…just because.  ;D

Yeah like Jarmo said. It's not all bad:

06.05.91 - Richfield Coliseum, Richfield, OH
opening act: Skid Row
set: Nightrain, Mr. Brownstone, Bad Obsession, Welcome To The Jungle, Double Talkin' Jive, Dust N' Bones, Don't Cry, Civil War, I Was Only Joking [Intro] / Patience, Drum Solo, Guitar Solo, Godfather Theme, Rocket Queen, Pretty Tied Up, November Rain, 14 Years, You Could Be Mine, Only Women Bleed [Intro] / Knockin' On Heaven's Door, Live And Let Die, Estranged, Bad Time [Intro] / Sweet Child O' Mine, Paradise City
audio/video recording?: audio
notes: Slash had to pay $1000 for opening the show with 'Nightrain.' Axl mentions how he feels great and recounts a story of him smoking opium on an airplane with Sebastian Bach. Axl says that without the music of Nine Inch Nails he would have overdosed on drugs and died. 'Knockin' On Heavens Door' is dedicated to a Cleveland fan who died and was buried with a GN'R t-shirt on. Axl asks the people in the front row how much they paid for their tickets, to which they reply $125. Then he goes off on ticket scalpers.

06.19.91 - Capitol Centre, Landover, MD
opening act: Skid Row
set: Pretty Tied Up, Mr. Brownstone, Bad Obsession, Welcome To The Jungle, Dust N' Bones, Double Talkin' Jive, Perfect Crime, Civil War, Live And Let Die, I Was Only Joking [Intro] / Patience, November Rain, Drum Solo, Guitar Solo, Godfather Theme, Rocket Queen, Only Women Bleed [Intro] / Knockin' On Heaven's Door
audio/video recording?: video, audio
notes: Axl rants on fans who just want to hear AFD and not the new songs. Once again Axl goes off on Geffen for wanting the record to come out too early. Towards the end of 'Civil War,' Axl jumps into the crowd to stop a security guard from beating up a fan. The show is ended early because of a local curfew.

Thanx to:gnrontour

 :yes:

Thats an outrageous lie, if there was a gleam of truth to it Axl would be behind bars.

The author needs to check his sources more carefully...

Axl is no angel but he's not the psychotic monster the media loves to present. Daft little anecodotes sell magasines, ignore them.

who knows..as Axl being a huge mind fuck I think that there lives two different persons in Axl, good and
bad..now and then the "bad" gets over him and he do bad things, like treating fans like shit etc. That doesn't surprise me at all. It doesn't surprise me that both of ex-wives have sued Axl for beating them.  for examble Erin has told that Axl tore her nibble ring off.  :) I know I shouldn't smile but then again..true or not. We don't know.  

you can't be that naive...oh comon..behind the bars..yeah right. Where's the evidence for the poor kid and like he had the balls to go to the police station and say that "Big bad Axl gave me a few punches 'cause of I smuggled to their party..now, go and rest him!!" yeah right...I guess the poor kid ran away for licking clean his wounds.

Wow!  :oGood to know, obviously he had treated fans better than security people or ticket touts and those gangs come with the music business.
We can see where all the negative stories come from, can?t we? >:(

According to a reliable source, ?Nice Guy!? is Buckethead. BH is not AXL, thus he is no ?NG!?----any holes?

I wonder why there is no footage of the wembley shows? That would be kickass

well I guess you haven't seen "Bohemian Rhapsody" with Axl and Elton and Axl singing "we will rock you". They are all  over the Kazaa.

opening acts: Soundgarden, Faith No More
set: It's So Easy, Mr. Brownstone, Live And Let Die, Bad Obsession, Attitude, You Could Be Mine, Wild Horses [Intro] / Patience, Double Talkin' Jive, Civil War, Welcome To The Jungle, Nightrain, It's Alright [Intro] / November Rain, Drum Solo, Guitar Solo, Godfather Theme, Sail Away Sweet Sister / Bad Time [Intro] / Sweet Child O' Mine, Only Women Bleed [Intro] / Knockin' On Heaven's Door, Tie Your Mother Down [w/ Brian May], We Will Rock You [w/ Brian May], Don't Cry, Paradise City
attendance: 72,000
audio/video recording?: audio, video [incomplete]
notes: Great Queen covers! Special guest performance by Brian May.


Taken from gnrontour.com :)

OK,  when we go with info from www.gnrontour.com,  just for sake of Jarmo and couple of others,  a FACT has to be mentioned.

8 June 91. '..... a fan jumps on the stage and charges towards Axl.    Two security guys jump on him and as they hold him,  Axl stomps on him twice!!!!'.  

True,   anyone who gets on stage is a potential danger for entertainer.
BUT,  if the guy bought the ticket,  he most probably was dead drunk and just wanted to shake Axl hand.
It is mostly upon entertainer to have him stay there or be dragged off.
BUT TO STOMP ON HIM TWICE WHILE SECURITY HOLDS HIM!????

Such person is insine no matter if his name is Axl Rose or whatever the fuck else.

Yeah, and what about this:

"When the band finally hit the stage with ?You Could Be Mine? the effect was like that of a pressure valve being engaged, the steam from the increasingly impatient crowd being released at last. (-) Next came Izzy?s chance to shine, as Axl handed over the microphone for ?Dust And Bones?. But seconds into the song Axl barked an order and the band shuddered to an ugly halt. The incensed singer pointed out someone in the crowd who?s been giving me the middle-fingered salute, and demanded his immediate ejection from the arena. As members of the security staff climbed over seats to seize the offending party Axl screamed abuse at the sorry individual for a full five minutes, stamping his feet like a three-year-old having a tantrum.

You fucking asshole! You fucking scum! You think you?re tough, do you? You think it?s cool to give me the middle-finger, do you dickhead? Fucking dickhead! You wanna cause another St. Louis right? You wanna provoke me, huh? You want me to jump in the crowd and kick your ass, huh? Get the show abandoned, huh? Well, wrong! Wrong asshole! Wrong! Wrong! You?re going home, motherfucker! You?re going home right now! Fucking waste of money, huh? You?ve just wasted 30 bucks, asshole! We?re gonna have a good time here tonight, and you are going home, motherfucking asshole!

When the abuse had stopped the band tried to pick up the pieces of Izzy?s long-forgotten song, and the roadies on the mixing desk exchanged relieved smiles. Izzy, however, simply looked pissed off." (Putterford - page 71-72)


What a nice guy Axl was.  ::)

What? Where you the one that was kicked out or something? Crybaby. Was that Axl tamtrum thingy something new to you or...?  :hihi:

There are good things, there are bad things and there are things in the middle. The press usually points out the bad coz they don't have nothing better to do. Besides: Axl is Axl. End of discussion

Fuck yeah!!! :yes: : ok:


I would've stomped on him 5 fucking times!!!!! ;D :beer: :smoking:


That's great!!! Good for you Ax-Hole!!! :nervous: :confused:

Does this not bore you?

Axl did this... Axl did that!!!  :confused:
I'm sorry but the whole Axl thing is getting boring!  :nervous: