Here Today... Gone To Hell!

On the eve of the 10-year anniversary of Kurt Cobain's passing, NME.com (http://www.nme.com/features/108043.htm) has posted a short testimonial to NIRVANA penned by METALLICA drummer Lars Ulrich. It reads as follows:

"In 1991 there was a kind of shift in rock music in America ? it was shifting away from all the hair bands in L.A. And with Kurt Cobain you felt you were connecting to the real person, not to a perception of who he was ? you were not connecting to an image or a manufactured cut-out. You felt that between you and him there was nothing ? it was heart-to-heart. There are very few people who have that ability.


"I never met him but our guitarist Kirk Hammett had a relationship with him. We were doing this tour with GUNS N' ROSES in the US in 1992 and we wanted NIRVANA to come out and join us. Kirk asked Kurt, but while Cobain said he would play with METALLICA anywhere in the world, at any time, on any stage, he would not step up on the same stage as GUNS N' ROSES ? obviously he felt that Axl was the antithesis to what he was.

"As I said, I never met Kurt, and he's probably the only guy in rock'n'roll that I have never met that I really wanted to ? other than Bon Scott maybe. What a sad thing we can't hear the fourth NIRVANA album. It would have been so great to be able to see how that would have evolved."

http://www.roadrun.com/blabbermouth.net/index.aspx

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I'm expecting to see a bunch of "Kurt sucks" posts now.....  ::)


/jarmo

erm....well.......Kurt sucks

to quote axl
kurt talks big shit for a man with no head! :hihi:

thats funny as fuck D,  when did Axl say that?

Also what was the Fourth album that Lars is talking about??

Whats the scoop on that?

kurt sucks :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

i like nirvana not as much as GNR, which is more like an obsetion but it is to bad that we never got to see more nirvana cause of cobain killing himself, but hey if he didnt want to share the stage with GNR well the hell with him in that sense. i for one would not have wanted to see gnr and nirvana on the smae stage just cause the vibes given by the bands where completely diffrent


peace :peace:

he was saying it was a shame that their WASNT going to be a 4th album from Nirvana.  Their past ones were 'Bleach', 'Nevermind' and 'In Utero'  : ok:

Did Axl really say that?  So many things can be said after someone is dead.  I personally think Lars is full of shit.  James Hetfield has a redneck, macho persona that Cobain would have considered his antithesis as well.  I wouldn't dispute Cobain's talent, but he was 27 years old when he died, as you get older, you realize, he didn't know very much.  He acted like a petulant little boy at times, and was more concerned about his image than he let on.  

It's unfortunate, because Axl liked Nirvana and I think felt stung by Kurt's condemnation.  Also, the fervor that these two hated each other with, suggests a real competitive streak.  I saw/read many interviews with Kurt where he would bring Axl up....just because.  And then of course, Axl responded from the stage.  

Oh ok thanks... The way he was talking it made me think there was a fourth disc already recorded that they didnt release...

I don't think Axl ever said that. Kurt died in 1994 and Axl didn't give any interviews anymore by then.   ???

I'm surprised Kurt would have shared the stage with Metallica. He seemed to despise metal ....

Im positive that he didnt...Another one of Ds delusions perhaps?

 Kurt died in 1994 and Axl didn't give any interviews anymore by then.   ???


Kurt didnt exactly despise metal...but he certainly didnt appear to be a fan.  He was actually weary of former guitarist Jason Everman after discovering he was a fan of speed metal.  Then again, he was a huge Sabbath fan and Im sure he appreciated other metal acts.  Whether or not he said that about Metallica, who knows?  I dont really have any reason to believe that he didnt.  



Actually, Know-It-All, Incesticide is simply a collection of B-Sides and rarities - hardly a proper album.  

Nirvana and Guns N' Roses were never meant to be friendly - it just couldnt happen.  Both are great, legendary bands that stood on opposite ends of the spectrum.  

I was never convinced by Cobain's supposed media shun. I think he thought himself the next John Lennon and most likely on a superior intellectual level to that of Axl and that the whole wild rock lifestyle that Axl was associated with was a cliche. He had much too high an opinon of himself and his music. To say that GNR's music was terrible, or words to that effect, clearly demonstrates ignorance. Even if he disliked the lyrics, on a technical level Slash and Izzy were a killer guitar combo, vastly superior to anything Nirvana done. Appetite is widely regarded as one of the greatest albums ever made and in my mind much superior to Nevermind. On the illusion albums they performed extroardinary songs, Estranged, Coma etc, demonstrating an expansive ability with music, they may have looked like alot of other 80's band but under the surface they were much, much more, perhaps he should have looked a little deeper.
As for touring with Metallica and not GNR well  ??? ??? ???

Nirvan dont deserve to share the same fucking Stage as Metallica... Metallica are fucking Gods....

Kurt is WAY over rated as a songwriter..
Dave Grohl is the only member worth a shit from Nirvana

The only reason Kurt is still popular is coz hes dead..

Lars isn't insinuating that Hammett and Cobain had a 'relationship' as in gay relationship? Am i wrong to take the quote that way?

I think Lars U. is lying through his teeth. No way Kurt would said he woulkd have shared the stage with Metallica ANYTIME, ANYWHERE. Please. I'd wager that Cobain had more respect (albiet only a fraction at most) for GNR than Metallica anyway. GNR are they real deal. Met. are a lousy band IMHO, and now are a bunch of greedy phonies. Im not even reffering to all the napster bullshit. What, they are now proclaiming to play different setlists every night so they can move thier official bootlegs. Play songs cause you want to play them, not to sell d/l only cds to fans. I anticipated bands that would follow Pearl Jam's lead by making live shows avalible would IMPORVE upon thier method. I should have known better though, they just see it as a way to make more cash.

Alright, I know Im new around here, so Ill hop off my soapbox now. cheers : ok:

Wow, I'm cracking up at some of the comments that people are making on this story over at Blabbermouth. They got some comedians there, I tell 'ya.

You should all check it out.

Yup, those guys are pretty wild...they're making joke after joke, all day long. Some of those are pretty lame, but some of them are actually pretty hilarious! :hihi:

To say that GNR's music is terrible just demonstrates a little bit about one's taste in music. Then again, a lot of people just refuse to like some music just because they might not for some reasons like the person who wrote it, or when their idol someone like Axl Rose says something sucks, they automatically decide not to like it as well, since Axl doesn't like it.  ;) As for Cobain having problems dealing with heavy metal, he seemed to have problem with all these hair bands of the 80's with their sexism and excess, and that's not something Metallica was, but GNR had that. I can't say if he just didn't like GNR's music or if it was GNR's attitude that kept him from liking their music. And Cobain never said GNR can't play or that even he himself could play well, so why bring that up?  Can't a song be good if there's no complex playing going on?

 Kurt Cobain didn't know what the fuck he wanted. One minute he hated the mainstream and MTV, then the next minute the dude would be on a cover of a rolling stone magazine. I'm betting the Kurt could have never done what Axl has, go 10 years without media spotlight. Kurt acted like he never wanted it, but jumped at it any shot he got. I liked Nirvana, but I never really cared much for Kurts act. I will admit he had more good music left in him though.

I've always thought that 2.

Lars to put it simply is full of shit, always has been. My personall opinion is that he said that Nirvana would share a stage with Metallica is a load of crap and it sounds like he is trying to give Metallica a good name. Nirvana wouldn't share a stage with a metal band.


And Kurt was a wanker, not very talented and had a big ego, he dissed axl all the time when he didnt realise he was the person who made a relationship with Guns N' Roses either on a proffesional or personal relationship impossible

Nope, I read an interview with Kurt (i think it was the "lost" interview from Guitar World) where the interviewer tells him that Kirk of Metallica is a huge fan of Nirvana and Kurt responds by saying he met him and he was a nice guy and it was an honor to have Kirk like his music.

Also, the Metallica song "The Thing that Should Not Be" is mentioned in Kurt's Journals book.

So yes, he did respect Metallica (and obviously hated Guns N' Roses).

Just wanted to clear that up...

After the last few posts I can see why Kurt would loath GNR, and not Met. hehe, it dosent really matter though does it?

GNR & Nirvana similarities:
After 1993 there was only 1 new Nirvana studio song released.
After 1991 there was only 1 new GNR studio song released.
Covers arent included.

coulda shoulda woulda.

give the guy a little more respect, he is dead afterall.

who cares if he didn't like axl.

he was a great talent.

different strokes....

Like I said about the last Matrix movie, WHO CARES?! Kurt's music was and still is boring to me. If you don't like someone why talk about them?

Nirvana Sucks! THEY killed rock and roll.
Kurt was just an idiot!

Great point.

They couldn't have sucked that bad if they killed rock n roll.  :hihi:

Besides at the time rock did suck. It was so copy cat and worn out. It really was. It had run it's course. If grunge didn't kill it something else would have any way.

Saying shitty things about somebody who is dead, and died in such a sad way speaks volumes about a person. Very low class, and cowardly.

But if the shoe fits....

         


Almost as cowardly and classless as the way he died......the man had it all and he failed to realize it. Sad,yeah. I'm not gonna trash him,simply cause it ain't worth it.I'll just say he wouldn't be talked about today had he not killed himself.

kurt was is always will be massivley respected as a fuking genius so what if he didnt want to share a stage with gnr does it matter thjat much?
and ive said this b4 somewhere people say kurts only regarded a genius  coz he killed himself i think thats bullshit his death did escalate his fame and respect but just because he wasnt recognized b4 he died dosnt mean the genius wasnt there it just took something as brutal as his death for people to realise it
and i think that if kurt and axl didnt fall out nowhere near as many gnr fans would hate nirvana and nirvana fans hate gnr
to me both nirvana and gnr are 2 of the most fuking amazing groups ever oh and to say nirvana killed rock n roll is bollocks it was near enough dead nirvana gave it a shot of adrenalin at least for a short while
if anything kills rock n roll its bullshit like busted and mcfly and crap like that




 

Rock n Roll will never die... As long as there are Rock n Roll fans....

Finally some words of wisdom.

As long as we are here Rock n Roll won't disappear, I promise you that.

I've had a problem w/ Kurt Cobain for a long time; he really thought he was the next Jesus. He was good, I actually like Nirvana's music - but Kurt Cobain (and his fans... especially his fans) has made me dislike the entity known as Nirvana. They weren't awesome. They wern't the the #1 (or even #4, VH1!) band ever and don't deserve the place they have.

That man doesn't belong on a pedistal. He doesn't deserve an award. Yeah, he changed music - but someone else would have if he didn't. You know those other "grunge" (I put that in quotes because grunge didn't exist, all the big players in "grunge" were radically different - it was the copycats that made "grunge") bands? Like Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, STP? You know, all the ones that were actually better than Nirvana? They were all around before and after Nirvana, too. It was just a matter of time before one of them broke it big.

I don't dislike Cobain because I like GnR, either. I didn't even know they feuded until I started coming here last summer. I don't like people who think they are God's gift to everyone... And don't turn that around and say "you like Axl, don't you?" - I think Axl is a headcase, where as Cobain is just a jackass.

Nice Post Coffin...

hold on...
i read somewhere
actually i think it was here in the history section
that kurt and axl were on good terms,
quote
"courtney asked axl if she'd be their child's godfather, and axl sed to kurt "shut your bitch up" and kurt goes to courtney "shutup bitch" and everyone luaghed' i think this was at an MTV thingo or somthing? hold on il try and find a quote

here i got it:

September 9th, 1992 - GN'R performs at MTV's Video Music Awards. Elton John joins the band to perform "November Rain".
Backstage Axl exchanged some words with Kurt Cobain and Courtney Love. According to Michael Azerrad's book "Come As You Are The Story Of Nirvana" Courtney asked Axl if he wanted to be the godfather of their child. Axl said " You shut your bitch up or I'm taking you down to the pavement!" to Kurt. Kurt glared at Courtney and said "Shut up, bitch!". The Nirvana entourage exploded in laughter.
___________________________________________--
sounds liek their alright friends here

They were laughing at Axl...

He left mad, I heard somewhere that when Duff heard about this he and his guitar tech (dont know the name) went to the the Trailer that Nirvana was in and started to beat on the door and shake the trailer... Security came and led Duff away...

well if their laughin at axl, i dont get it. maybe im slo. someone explian it to me

Axl was angry with Kurt and insulted by Kurt and Courtneys seemingly taunting godfather requests.  He angrily told Kurt to shut his bitch up.  The entourage was laughing at Kurt mocking Axl by telling Courtney to "Shut up, bitch".

Supposedly Duff (most likely drunk) personally tried to fight Nirvana bassist Krist Novoselic.

Courtney was taunting Axl by asking him to be godfather.  Then when Axl raged at them, Cobain made fun of his rather misogynistic comment.  But they were being totally obnoxious to him.  Also, this is completely Kurt's version of the story.  

Id love to hear Axl or Duff's version of it... I think getting Duff to speak about it wouldnt be to hard... Axl? who knows...

Back to the main topic....I think that the only thing we can really say for sure is that Kurt had a much higher opinion of Metallica than he did with Guns N' Roses, and that's because Nirvana and Metallica were much closer together on the rock spectrum than Nirvana and GN'R.  After all, Metallica had spent much of the 80s as the thrashy "alternative" to Sunset Strip hair metal, they were more politically correct, and they weren't concerned with image.  Except for the fact that they were metal, Metallica had most of the characteristics of a so-called alternative band.  So Kurt could probably respect them for that, while he slagged GN'R as the figurehead of glam excess.

That just shows how little Kurt Cobain knew... He was nothing more than a junkie from Seattle.. limited Guitar ability, nonsense lyrics,  some people think he was such a genious... but most of his lyrics were nothing more than drug filled banter...

what better way to get more headlines for your up and comming band then to start a good fued in the media with the number 1 selling band in the world...

war of words nothing more...

Coudn't have put it better, i think Kurt was just jelous of the power GN'R had, and he wanted that for Nirvana so the best he could do was challenge them

Kurt didn't like GN'R because of GN'R's lifestyle. All the cash spending, ego

issues and cancelled shows. That's mostly all about it why Kurt didn't like GN'R. I

bet he liked some of the GN'R'S songs, althouhg he has said that they are

bunch of untalented players....but it was all about that glamorous lifestyle he

didn't get it. Actually he hated everything that GN'R represented.  

no, he actually called gnr a bunch of talentless people....thats where that whole argument came from



rock n' roll

Allright then, my mistake. Anyways, that's obviously a joke, just to piss off gnr and more so the fans. I so hate fans.

Axl once said, concerning cancelling shows or showing up really late, that he'll only perform if he can give his audience 100%.  That obviously sucks for people who buy tickets to concerts where he doesn't show up.  But then, Kurt Cobain often did shows where he was fucked up, playing and singing really badly, cutting sets short, whatever.  On average, Kurt was less concerned than Axl about giving his fans a good show.

The new Kurt Loder article on MTV.com points out that Guns N' Roses drove Kurt nuts.

http://www.mtv.com/bands/n/nirvana/news_feature_040325/

Cobain was a zero.No guitar skills,no voice,no songwriting ability. When he died,he became a hero,when actually he was nothing but a coward that couldn't face life and celebrity.

Hmmmm... see this always confuses me.... Ummm.... Nirvana's Nevermind came out before Kurt died right? and it was a huge fucking hit?... You're right though, if Kurt hadn't died, no one would ever remember that album, or a song like Smells Like Teen Spirit.   ::)

Guys, if you make a Diamond-selling album... you're going to be remembered, suck it up.  Nirvana rocks.

Ok!
Enough is - enough!
I've been watching this for quiet some time and most of the people on this board - made me sick!
Wheather you accept it or not - Kurt WAS very talented musician who was far better text writer than Axl.
(And so is Billy Corgan).
Nobody here can say I am talking bad about their Axl cause I am HUGE GNR fan (and have been longer than most of your were even born!).
I have far more GNR bootlegs than I have from NIRVANA,    but you guys went tooooooo far!
Ive been listening for 15 years thoose two bands and them + SMASHING PUMPKINS are my 3 favorite bands.
Estranged,  Coma and Don't cry were phantastic songs.
BUT,  apart from that AXL went on,  and on and on about bitches,  fuckers, foreigners,  drugs .. and that was it!
Kurt and Billy wrote songs about much more serious things!
People being shitty to one another,  love,  hate,  people having bad times.
AXL was (to use DUFF words) bitter about everything and his songs were mostly full of hate.
Billy and Kurt were talking about MUCH more internal issues.
They haven't hated anyone.   They were talking about our society not being righteous (Just think of 'One in a million' on one side,  and Kurt refering to rednecks and people who hated others cause they were scared of not knowing them).
Kurt didn't hate anyone and that shows that he was brighter.
I hope there isn't one of you who thinks hateing is smart - cause it is not.
Nobody forces you to love anyone,  but respect is least you can have for others (especially if you don't know them).
Here is the truth!
Axl HAS outed himself as NIRVANA fan everywhere till he asked Kurt to open up for GNR and Metallica when Kurt rejected the offer.
Indeed,  why do you say crap about him,  isn't it his choice?
Wasn't NEVERMIND selling more at that time (summer 92) than GNR?
Should've he said YES,  and then been pulled into mud (like the rest of GUNNERS and METALLICA) right at the start of his career by that insane idiot Axl?    Just cause that well known night Axl tried to be bigger star of the night than poor James Hatfield who got third degree burns.
Sorry people,  but for all you AXL lovers,  I have a fanzine in my hands where Axl has blue NIRVANA cap on top of his head (not vice versa!).
Kurt NEVER started the fight with AXL (not GNR!).
AXL (after Kurt rejected him and it hurt his ego) DID!
AXL was right for saying that crap about Kurt,  Courtney and their baby, but,  he rolled a 'snowball' there that went on and on.
Fact is,  Kurt and Courtney were polite enough to send AXL christmas card every year (so is Perla).
I don't remember that selfish prick ever send one to anyone apart from letters 'you are fired'  (be honest and don't tell me he couldn't say that to SLASH,  DUFF, IZZY,  GILBY in their faces).
These people MADE him who he was.
He was just ok songwriter with superb band who couldn't sing.
He lost voice by 6th song of almost every concert I've seen,  heard, attended.
He was dragging around supermodels,  changed his clothes every 5 songs and wore fur coats to bars they went to after gigs.
Therefore,  don't tell me who was rock star!
I was at GNR concerts and I know what I am talking about.
Funny,  nobody says crap about Kurt but even AXL's latest hero (whom he used as a gun against SLASH),  says crap about him.
Come on,  BH was your people hero till 5 days ago.
As far as AXL is considered,  even the ones who were called in to 'play'  SLASH,  DUFF,  MATT, IZZY and GILBY are running away.
You can be right 3 - 4 times,  but man,  everyone is running away from that guy!    How can you protect him!     How can you downplay Kurt,  SLASH,  DUFF,  MATT,  IZZY and GILBY,  when they haven't said one bad thing about him.
Kurt didn't like him for the sake of the amount of hate in his songs.
Do you blame him?   I don't!
Talking about all those stories where GNR and NIRVANA hated each other..
They were all friends damn it!
DUFF WAS (!!!) the last person who saw him alive!
They chatted for hours on the plane.
DUFF was gonna offer Kurt a ride home but Kurt dissapeared cause he was afraid Duff might talk him away from the suicide.
So much about Duff going to fight Kurt and Nirvana at MTV VMA awards 92.
KRIST NOVOSELIC got in fight with DUFF's gorillas but not DUFF (not only they were friends,  but he is taller than Duff...).
SLASH often said how much it hurt him when he got the news about Kurt.
People,  don't talk crap about things you don't know much about.
Their relationships belong to them not you.
Don't get involved.
I know a lot about both bands,  read every magazine and book on them and many of you talk crap here.
NIRVANA,  SMASHING PUMPKINS and GNR were top three bands of the 90's (and will forever be my favorite bands),   and don't make difference btween them
Just don't.   Kurt died and let it be.

 i dont think anyone on this board would rember that. and you dont even know that for a fact. all you know is that non of the X members dont say if they get a x-mas card from axl.......

Send this post to the Kurt vs. Axl thread we already had going...

come on!kurt pieced together poems to comprise lyrics.he wrote about rubbish half the time.


if your referring to the vma's yes he did.he shouted over to axl "would u like to be the godfather of our child"or some words to tha effect.obviously a provocation.


if you are trying to compare the likes of november rain to come as you are etc. dont even bother

:hihi:


he was the last music celebrity to see him alive



oh and you do know a lot?


oh i see because the magazines are gospel?


take your own advice maybe?

Kurt writes better than Axl? He's the worst songwritter I've ever seen... how can you say he talks about hard themes if the songs dont have sense?

Tell me, about what is Smells Like Teen Spirit?

Load up on guns
Bring your friends
It's fun to lose
And to pretend
She's overboard
Myself assured
I know I know
A dirty word

Hello (x 16)

With the lights out it's less dangerous
Here we are now
Entertain us
I feel stupid and contagious
Here we are now
Entertain us
A mulatto
An albino
A mosquito
My libido
Yeah

Yeah, after listening November Rain, Breakdown, Estranged, Locomotive and Madagascar, I just can say: FUCK YOU

Kurt was a great vocalist/songwriter, although he wasn't the idealized version that many people seem to hold of him (you included).  

Cobain was much more concerned about his image and career than many people realized.  He had a sense of humour, but he could be cruel really.  He had domestic disputes with Courtney where the police were called to his house, he passed out on drugs when his daughter was born, he collected guns, he phoned a female journalist's home and threatened to kill her for writing unflattering things about him.  He had just as big an ego as any other rock star and that's the truth.  

As for Axl, he did love Nirvana's music.  Axl reacted against being rejected and ridiculed by Kurt.  Cobain slammed Axl in many interviews/publications I saw, before the VMA awards thing ever happened.  

As for lyrics, Cobain's are much more abstract and poetic than Axl's.  Axl's are like little snapshots of realism.  They are different, not really comparable.  That doesn't mean one is better than the other imo.

Axl definitely has a lot of misogynistic lyrics, a problem with women and of course One in a Million.  Myself, as a woman, I can listen to an artist's experience without taking the lyrics personally.  I understand that Axl wrote OIAM, as a young person coming to a strange place, and those were his feelings of fear at the time.  I don't have to agree with it, nor do I have to judge him, to enjoy the power of that song, even if it is negative energy.  

Frankly, what Kurt attacked Axl for was a real snobby, elitist thing, imo.  Would Kurt have lectured Prince about excess/extravagance?  Or Snoop Dogg about misogyny?  Don't think so.  Kurt had derision for Axl as a way of holding a kind of white boy punk credibility, and Axl responded because he's well....nuts.  And it probably sincerely hurt his feelings.  

I like Kurt's music, but if he had lived, he might have gotten paunchy, lost his hair, dumped Courtney, put out questionable music and been skewered by the next up and comer.  And so it goes.  

Oh, and PS, Duff most certainly was part of the fray on that fateful VMA award night.  He did try to corner KN until security stepped in.  

haha man i agree with you. I new his lyrics were bad but after reading this i have confirmed that his song writting was a joke! Nothing more then a joke. and he couldnt tune a damn guitar for fuck sakes to add on top of this.

 ;D    i dated axl for five months wehn i was a junior in highschool we met thru is brother stuart. I got to be good friends with axl, stuart and amy. Nicest bunch of people you could ever hope to meet. and axl was close to his brother and sister. he had custody of stuart  since stuart was seven or eight years old. we had a blast together.

and I'm Axl's kid.

wow, an intelligent post on this board, much less on a Kurt Vs. Al thread, i am quite impressed.
I love reading these posts because some of you posters are so full of shit. "Axl sucks" "no, kurt sucks" "no, you suck!"  :hihi:
Do any of you people realize that human beings are complicated and nuanced (you may need to look that word up) and their situations/conflicts/relationships are rarely black and white? Can any of you maintain opposing thoughts simultaneously?
It IS what Freya wrote- they both played parts in their rivalry, they both had massive egos, Kurt was very much both a rock star and its antithesis (might want to look that word up too) and this conflict contributed greatly to his self-loathing (yes, Kurt was self-loathing), Kurt provoked Axl and Axl responded in the way Kurt wanted (with violence and intimidation).. it was very much like when the kid who was bullied on the playground walks up to the bully, 10 years later, to prove himself and the bully tries once again to use the same pseudo masculine aggressive tactics... except, and i have mentioned this before, they were both bullied. Kurt and Axl had so much in common and i think that is why they had such a hatred for each other (though Axl only really hated Kurt because Kurt dissed him, very publicly, and i agree with Freya, his feelings were hurt).
She is also correct that Kurt's lyrics were more abstract while Axl's were more literal.
But people, it's not one or the other. It's amazing that these people choose music as a way to communicate their inner most feelings and thoughts and so many of you don't get their message.

Great post.

I'm a Gn'R fan, I love Gn'R like no other band, but it doesn't take away from enjoyment of other music.

Like badgirl said, Kurt was more abstract, Axl was more literal, some people just prefer one type of lyrics over another.   It's such bullshit to start a thread about something like this.

Why did you start another Kurt vs Axl thread  ???

this game has been played so many times already..the guy has been dead about ten years now, why don't give a rest..

To say Axl couldn't sing is just pure rubbish. I mean Gloria Bennett said he had one of the most beautiful voices she's ever coached. And had the best control ever.


Live and let Die, Motherfucker!

How can you compare AXL and kurt,for me kurt was child writter
sjebo si se debelo

U wanker.....have u actually listened to the lyrics on estranged, locomotive and breakdown, shows a man at his peak of songwriting genius while kurt is crapping on about not having a gun. Go on a Nirvana msg boad then :rant:

Actually courtney started mouthing off first.... : ok:
And i like both bands alot but u cant compair Kurt to Aaxl....Axl is way deeper...
Axl may have wrote about hateing the world but Kurt couldent get past hateing himself....
Just my opinion....I actually LOVE Kurts unplugged porformance the best.....he sings really well..and was HAPPY..

Hmm No! :rofl:

Yeah Freya, great post! It's quite a shock to see someone with a brain write here once in a while (no offence anyone :))
You pretty much said everything I might've said if I could have bothered :P

Seroussssllllyyy.
Some of you are the dumbest people the globe has ever seen?
Well guess what babies?
I don't give a fuck what you say!    
You don't seem to live your own lives but the ones of Axl and who was that guy with the greasy popcorn bucket and friday the 13th mask on his face?
As soon as someone oppinion differs from your own,  it starts with 'fuck this',  'fuck that',  'fuck you'...
OK,  Mathew I get the point.
You are some 15 year old kid that has never seen GNR live nor do you have any bootlegs.   I undersrand,  you were not there.   You were like, what?   5, 6 when GNR and NIRVANA ruled the planet wit their music.
Now your parents busted you,  so you had to stay home while they are out on picknick so you are using the chance to get logged on the net on sunday afternoon.
Dude I understand you have obviously seen some porn while your parents were out,  but hey,  you are using fuck in the wrong place!
Maybe in 5 years that'll improve so Axl and popcornhead will be in second thoughts by than.
However,  I hope you better change school by then cause not knowing how to read or write by 15,   not good!
(Or maybe you just don't know enough of Gunners history.).
Ya know,  every GNR fan knows BREAKDOWN wasn't written by Axl only,  but co - written by SLASH (luckily).
Otherwise,  I am afraid it might've sounded like another MY WORLD or BAD OBSESSION.
Unfortunatelly,   SWOOSH26 (is that your olde bros age?),   has reading problems too.
Ya know,  you mentioned 4 songs,  2 I accept,  1 was cowritten by SLASH,  the fourth doesn't even officially exsist.
Therefore it would had been more appropriate to tell us all 'fuck me the stupid idiot who can't read'.
(I doubt it ever will.   People can't be in the same room with that freak longer than 24 hours...).
So,  I am mean...  Both of you better become legable by next time you post something.
I noticed earlier on you don't make sence,  but now you 2 proove it.
Arguing with you is waste of time cause your arguments don't make sence.
Therefore,   don't provoke cause it'll be your waste of time - I won't answer - nor will I waste my time opening up this thread.
I told you my opinion last night and I don't give a damn what anyone thinks.
Before you start using crap language (cause your parents obviously still haven't taught you better..),   learn to express your thoughts and feelings properly,  but before that,  learn how to respect others.
Otherwise,  you have very good chances to get shoot by some gangsta rapper on the way to school.
As for that women writting her  oppinon,  that was written in a very nice way,  but,  why the hell did you need that smart ass 'some of you will have to look it up'?
I know it wasn't aimed at me and I don't strike you,  but net is something that is open for everyone of all ages and education.  Both sex.
Not everyone needs to know every word.
They shouldn't be dissed for that.
Imagine how many people (eg SWOOSH and that wanker matt dude) are still in middle school or even elementary?
But FREYA,  even you had a slip out.
DUFF WAS NOT involved in the inncident according to both him,  Krist and Kurt.
Members of both bands were friends (as it should be the case),   appart from AXL.
(How sad out of all band members in GNR,  NIRVANA and METALLICA,  Axl hasn't got one friend anymore.).
As I said,  most of you will learn to live your own lives instead of Axl's by some point in time.
Just one thing that amazes me,  how can you protect the guy after all his ex and some of his new band members left him?
It's like calling whore a vigin being dead serious!
You seem to forget,  it wasn't Axl who made all that music you,  but the band that doesn't exsist anymore.
Since than he has made - nothing!
That's a FACT!
Please don't say crap about SLASH and co,   without them, Axl would had been opener for PORNO FOR PYROS.
Also,  don't turn bands against one another,  but be happy they exsisted and made somuch great music.
They made rock history.

I ment people, seems, can't be longer than 24 hours in the same room with Axl. typo

Well, I beg to differ.  The bands were definitely not friends.  Yes, Duff had a friendly conversation with Cobain before he died, that's all.  I believe Slash and Duff are friendly with Dave Grohl, now, but at the time?  No way.  That was in Duff's drunken heyday and he was definitely part of it.  Although, yes, these days he tries to downplay the feud.  

Freya, you are dealing with stinted intellects here, you really need not bother.  :hihi:

Yes, he does...

This thread needs some laffs, so here's a piece of Weird Al's parody entitled Smells Like Nirvana:

What is this song all about?
Can?t figure any lyrics out
How do the words to it go?
I wish you?d tell me, I don?t know    :hihi:
Don?t know, don?t know, don?t know, oh no

Now I?m mumblin? and I?m screamin?
And I don?t know what I?m singin?
Crank the volume, ears are bleedin?
I still don?t know what I?m singin?     :hihi:
We?re so loud and incoherent
Boy, this oughta bug your parents

And I forgot the next verse
Oh well, I guess it pays to rehearse     :rofl:
The lyric sheet?s so hard to find
What are the words? oh, nevermind
Don?t know, don?t know, don?t know, oh no

speaking of lyrics... i was thinking about this today, brought on in part by Freya's post.
While i think that Kurt's lyrics are, generally, a bit more sophiscated ("here we are now, entertain us" succinctly and powerfully summarizes the entire attitude of a generation, speaks to priviledge and disillusionment, arrogance and irony that really captures, i think, the spirit of the Generation X), Axl's lyrics, while a bit simpler i think are, ultimately, harder to write.
A lot of poetry gets lost on the audience. A lot of it is very obscure and personal (like heart shaped box- if Kurt hadn't disclosed what it actually was, we would all have our opinions- though there is something very valid in that i admit) and it becomes harder to find meaning.
Axl has the harder job, i think, of describing universal, emotional states (states Kurt is describing as well) but he does it more literally and, what i think it the most impressive and amazing thing about Axl's songwriting ability, without any heavy-handedness, any gimmicks, any cheesiness. Anyone who has ever tried to pen a poem knows the nagging feeling of thinking that your writing is really cheesy!  :hihi: And all these songs, especially the deeper Illusion songs about love and loss are done so honestly and in a very understated kind of way.
A lot of people can scribble some nonsensicle bullshit (not that i think Kurt did that) because its easier to get away with, it isolates you from your audience, many of whom don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
Axl speaks a language everyone can understand and i think that is the more challenging thing to do. So while i admire both of them and tend to be somewhat of an intellectual snob and would initially gravitate toward Kurt's poetic ramblings, insight into both of them leaves me more impressed by Axl's words than by Kurts.
Sorry for being so long winded.

Thanks random, this cracked me up  :rofl:

Nirvana are shit and Kurt was a junkie... even if i wasnt a Guns n Roses fan  Nirvana would still suck dick for fun..

your a serious jack ass arent you?? you dont know your GnR history very well..

I think Duff wanted to beat up Krist or something, but wasn't involved in the Axl/Kurt thing.


/jarmo

Yes, thats what I heard in an interview a few years ago from Duff. After he heard about the Axl/Kurt argument he went to the Nirvana trailer with his Bass Guitar Tech and started to beat on the door and shake the Nirvana trailer.. When I hear about things like this it really makes me miss the old band... The way the stuck together back then...

"A mulatto
An albino
A mosquito
My libido"
   
   Wow!! That touched me deep inside...Nirvana's lirycs are phenomenal! WHAT A PIECE OF CRAP!!!!!!!!!

 Sure,someone will argue with me and say that Smells like teen spirit is not representative for Cobain's songwriting,but (against my will:) ) I listened to most Nirvana songs ant they all suck in every way