Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I will simply ask you to explain why Axl is incapable of pulling together a show with two guitarists?  I mean, if hes so distraught over cancelling the show, Im sure two guitarists can handle it...it seemed to have worked for the old band (not to mention nearly every other band).  Is it impossible to recruit a third guitarist for the one performance?  Its still a full two months away...

Id appreciate any explanation/insight/excuses...

The only one that could replace Bucket is Nigel Tufnel and he is busy doing a heavy metal reggae album with Spinal Tap at the moment. ;D ;Dhttp://www.spinaltapfan.com/articles/guitarworld2.html

It's all part of the drama/publicity chain.  The more publicity Axl gets, the bigger hardon he can to sleep with at night.

I'm neither a defender nor an excuse-maker, but here's my $.02

Perhaps GNR was planning on rolling out some new songs at RIR4 (the mythical big guns?)  And BH might have the showpiece of these songs with his fast, skilled guitar playing - something that Finck and Fortus cannot replicate (live, anyway).
Hence, Axl is open to discussions with BH, cuz right now he needs him.  I'm sure once they've re-recorded CD, BH wont matter like all those before him.

Again, I say this without knowing how much of a contribution to CD Bucket had. But you have to wonder why 2 guitarists isnt enough for a single concert, unless the 3rd guitarist was the showpiece.

U make a good point, Axl could surely grab Navarro or Wylde for one show.....maybe it just wouldn't be the same without Bhead.......

Anyway i think people are making too big a deal of this, GNR never cancelled...cos they never even confirmed it!!!!

you'd have to ask axl.
but my take on it is that they've rigged this material, both old and new, with buckethead, so it'd take alot of adjustments. they want to do it right, and not bring the fans a half-ass show. axl has never done that, and being the perfectionist that he is, i don't think he ever will, either. he always gives a hundred percent, unlike alot of other artists, who does shows just to get exposure or to make money. just my two cents. peace

Ask Axl.  : ok:




/jarmo

You mean the "Excuse-Maker"?   :P
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Sorry, I felt the need to say that given the title of this thread and the contents of Axl's letter.

Roflmao ;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D

-F

My thoughts would be coz...

1. The band has 3 guitar players...it has since 2000

2. playing with only 2 would not be the complete band..
    Even the AFD songs sound better with 3 guitar players.
    AFD was recorded with 2 guitar players but Slash and
    Izzy tracked numerous fills, and rythyms and when the
    cd was "assembled" if you will you actually can hear  
    during parts of some songs 3 guitars playing at once.
   
3. If they had a one show fill in guitar player it would
    show that hes having trouble keeping a band together.

4. Maybe there is no guitar player that he feels could play
    the music to his standards available to step right into
    the band in the next two months.

5. He wants us to hate/blame Brian Carroll for this and
    wants some form of public backlash to occur to punish
    for wasting Axl's time.

6. Maybe(yeah right) hes going to have his new guitar
    player re record Carroll's parts and release the CD
    or a single right away....  

You have a point.

You wouldnt have a point if you were a GNR band member or an associate or Axl himself.

Some of you here kill me....you know, we were RIIIIGHT on the brink of having CD if it weren't for that dasterdly FREAK Buckethead...I mean, it was right around the corner...it....it just HAD to be... ::)
Scores of musicians come and go in a revolving door, many of whom work AND tour with other bands on a frequent basis with no dilemma whatsoever....it just so happens that when they come in contact with the poor braided victim, they somehow manage to become erratic, inconsistant, and selfish...what could the explaination be?
o..oh that's what it is?  Axl's negative traits that people contantly rationalize and validate to the Nth degree come to affect and rub off on others...I think that sounds reasonable, moreso than "GH is going to have a negative impact on CD."  what do you think?  If there were no GH, you honestly think we would've had a release date?
The world is a cruel, vicious place when W. Axl Rose gets deprived of HIS (egocentric??? certainly not!!!  Off with my head!) opportunity to play RIO for the 3rd time....Never mind those fans that waited in Vancouver, Philly, and RIO who took off work, bought tix, paid gas, tolls, hotel rooms, etc...But nevermind that...Rio is OBVIOUSLY not Axl's fault....he's racked his brain to the edges of sanity, losing countless hours of sleep, in order to devise a plan to get there, but golly gee, you know, he was just left in a lurch, much in the same way that Steven Izzy, Slash, Matt, and Duff have left him so callously in the past.... :'(
     The assembly line sure is running dangerously low on blameable parts...But hey, Axl wrote us, his devout fans, a letter, after all, so how could anything resembling guilt possibly rest on his shoulders?  Axl only needed buckethead for a few more overdubs, man, we almost had it....

Anyone who doesn't read your posts regularly would be entitled to believe your an ignorant person by asking this question. Not us, we know you do it because your still bitter about Slash's departure from GnR.

A rational mind would think that its due to the recent departure of Bucket, and the impact it has had on future live performances or CD. It's not that Axl is incapable of playing with 2 guitarists, its that he chooses not to. It's also extremely obvious that its not impossible to hire another guitarist for a one-off show, again he chooses not to, for further explanation i'd have to refer you to Axl. He calls the shots, not you.

If i get called a Defender or a Excuse-Maker by making my opinions known on this subject, what does that make you? How can a person who wastes his time visiting a forum about a band he doesn't like and posting on subjects he doesn't care about insult us all lolol. Can i call you a Slasheep?


P.S      Guess i'll be getting that quote/paste medicine you like to dish out

The recovery steps for all Axlholics: 1. The new Gnr is 100% about Axl. Get over it. It is not a band-read his letter, they are under "contract"-hired employees. Thus, he is the boss and is responsible for all work product-or lack thereof. Once you accept this fact, then you don't listen to what Dizzy or Tommy or Axl's cat or whoever when they discuss the status of the band. It is meaningless unless Axhole says it-and then it could be meaningless as well. Gnr is now essentially NIN, one person runs it and lineups for tour and recording will change. Nothing wrong with that because different players bring different ideas-creativity-key asset. If you just accept this fact, then the Bucket controversy is moot. 2. Axl is not dependable-never has been and never will be-get over it-accept it-it is the truth. 3. Axl gave you hope in the letter-look to the future-that is all you have. He claims he will give us a release date in a few months. Just wait and see..... :-\

Belive it or not, this is the first time Axl has confirmed a release announcement with his own words. The closest he came was in Rio when he said "we'll be back with a bunch of new songs". He also hinted at a radio if Im not mistaken, but since then he havent mentioned it at all.

Others mentioning a close release are another issue, but this is the first time he mentioned it, and also in written form.

Im not buying it, Im just saying it.

hahah word, chas!
booker flooyd is one bitter, ugly man.
get a life and stop insulting people's intelligence.

Before you excuse makers jump in any more, please remember that Axl promised an album from Gnr after Slash left by the summer of 1997. He was going to continue on....the famous "dive in and find the monkey" fax he sent to Mtv about Slash's departure. We have truly come full circle here. If you don't learn from the past, you are doomed to repeat the same mistakes in the future....Our red haired recluse has simply not learned! :'( :'(

So you concede that it is indeed Axls fault?  He deserves all of the blame for cancelling the show?



I wouldnt call you such based on your post.  I assume you are, but you admitted that Axl can but wont play.  


Right?


The fact that you feel insulted proves that you fit into the "Defender/Excuse-Maker" demographic.  But youre wrong: I ultimately like this band.  Of course Im here mostly for the old band, and in the process discuss the new one.  It just so happens that everything sucks...dont blame me.  In fact, blame Buckethead. ;)



Another person amazed by the quote function...its really not that hard, I promise.

I'm not gonna make excuses for anyone, but in my opinion, this is no different than when Finck left before. It's not like a member of GNR leaving the band is something new. And granted, I think the right thing would have been to either play Lisbon with just Finck and Fortus, or to bring in another guitarist for that show, I can understand why Axl wouldn't just want "some replacement" for the biggest show of the new band's career. It would be generic. Sure, this is terrible news, but it's not the end.

There you have it. Everything sucks about the new band yet you keep discussing them.  Isn't that like whining? There can't be anything positive about something that just sucks, can there?

Do you also discuss other things that suck on a daily basis? Just wondering, I try to stay away from things I don't like..... That's why I'm not posting at any The Darkness boards.  :hihi:



/jarmo

One hand people say how this band is a bunch of hired guns yet on the other hand they want axl to go out and grab a guitarist.

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If anyone thinks that Axl is a dick for not continuing on with Rio, truly has an agneda towards the guy. WHy would they do rio without one of their lead guitarists? Could they do it with 2 or get a quickie replacement? Absolutely. But again you people fail to see that Axl wants to do this right. He wants to have a band when making this comeback not abunch of hired guns. He had a band till bucket left.

Now they have to figure out how they wanna continue the plans being that bucket left. Bucket leaving is a big blow. And im not talking baout release dates. WHo cares about release dates. It will be released when its ready.
Its a big blow because bucket had completed this new gnr image. He was perfect for the marketing and the videos etc. He gave gnr that what the fuck is that aspect. Now its gone. Now gnr has to figure out how to replace that and move on. And they will. They will find a replacement. Yes the new guitar player is a replacement.

Its been a frustrating ride. So many obstacles. I understand a lot of it has to do with Axl but enough is enough. His intentions are good. The band is still in good shape because they have a good core of guys. It sux though cause bucket brought that instant entertainement aspect not to mention his great playing.

I just dont get what you point is about Axl cancelling the show. Yea he cancelled the show. So fuking what. I dont get your point. He cancelled the hsow because they have to regroup over bucket leaving. But if you wanna jump on them for that go ahead. Its nothing new.

Dude give it a rest. You jump on this new band every chance you get but then finish it off with but i still like them.
If you ultimately liek this band then you would patiently wait. We know the way they handle things is a joke. And your right it does suck. But what does it mean? Does it mean Axl is doing this on purpose or is an asshole? Whetehr you agree with him or not his intentions are good. He truly wants to make gnr the biggest band in the world again. Along the way a lof of shit has happened. And im not saying its not his fault. A lot of the shit he creates himself. But when its all said and done he cares and thats why I dont whine liek you or a lot of other people around here.

When the music eventually sees the light of day all of the waiting will be justified. What if cd is a masterpiece? And it will be. There is no doubt in my mind that gnr have made some excellent material over the years. Im sure as hell not gonna let the way they handle non music things effect that.

Nice post dude... I agree with you... :beer:

I still don't know how you can cancel something you never confirmed in the first place,same with the European tour. Actually we let ourselves down by assuming WAY too many things. (See above).

We have no official status of the band, membe wise or legal wise. The whole dam thing "Could" all be about lawsuits. Notice the could? Not one of us here knows what is really going on. But some ppl are sure jumping to some pretty fast accusations.

Where (link, source) did it ever say that GNR was 100% confirmed for RIR?

And as a result their is animosity towards axl and this new band. The wonderful world of the internet and message boards. Gnr wanted to lay low but the fans on a day in day out basis decided to play ceo,marketing manager,band manager, news reporters and rumors creators and everything else under the sun.

gee golly axl could say something every now and then. Indeed. But he could also lay low and rebuild something that once was very big. And while he does that you can either patiently wait or click that lil x on the top right.

If they are selling tickets withthe GN'R name on them, then maybe GN'R should stop them from doing so if they plan on not showing up.

Obviously they knew about the planned show at Rock In Rio - Lisbon, Axl even mentioned it in the statement.


The Rock In Rio site? Do you think a big well known festival like that would just make up a line up? If they did, wouldn't GN'R be able to sue them for using the GN'R name to sell tickets?



/jarmo

You dont post there b/c you dont like the music.  We post here because we like the music!

But you cant expect people to bury their heads in the sand like ostriches all the time. The opposite of being an ostrich is not "whiny".  

I'll be unoriginal and quote MCT:  "Optimism is, in most cases, a complete disregard for truth".

If there is something positive in all this mess, it's the music, right?  That's why we're all here.  

Yes ill concede its Axl who has ultimately cancelled the show but i wouldnt say he deserves all of the blame. As i said earlier Axl could have many a reason for not doing what you suggested and just go on and play at RiR, such as 2 guitarists not being enough for the new songs or not wanting to take away from the feeling that the new GnR is a band by hiring someone for a one-off show.

Let me get this straight a sec. If i post my opinions on this subject that makes you right?

Lolol, you really are a clueless individual. Right about what? You must understand that what i write is my opinion and what you write (however hard you find it to believe) is your opinion,  you do not talk about facts, or are you really Axl?:P

I can also also tell you that yes i felt insulted, its what usually happens when someone insults you. The fact that i responded to that comment of yours does not make your assumption right, i questioned that comment of yours because its disrespecting to everyone on the board, me included. You must know you shouldnt generalise.....

So do you like the band or does it suck? Make up your mind.


P.S   Yeah i find your use of the quote function quite impressive, it really does emphasise your intelligence.

Axl hasn't said anything public in a really long time (so long, we should throw a party). This concert was supposed to be a big thing. The silence would end, as we were all waiting for, and maybe it was the beginning of more dates, or the preview of new material... if Axl plans on announcing a release date in the next few months even without Bucket, then you have to think if Bucket never left it would have come even sooner.
What i think happened, is that without Bucket, the show would be just another show, and Axl is done with that after the tour. Axl doesn't want to perform until he's ready to start this thing right and for real. I think that's probably the smartest thing anyway. The people that are mad about the cancellation are the same people who would have been mad if Axl showed up with a replacement guitarist and did the same old setlist. He wrote a letter, he explained himself in a way he hasn't in a long while, and he did it with exactly two months notice. It's the first sign we have that CD is even still in the works. I don't really care to see them half-ass a show in lisbon, or any other festival... if he's working out what he has to after the departure of one of his guitarists, recording the album i'm waiting for, planning the future yet again, that's better. I'm glad to know something.

Pissing liar....Whats this then?

www.jarmolovesThedarkness.com (http://www.jarmolovesThedarkness.com)

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On a more positive note:-

We have a letter from Axl, i hope he signed this letter cus if we dont get a release date in the next few months then maybe we can sue him!
 :D

Im sure Pilf can advise us on that one!

It all looks a little bleak in the GNR world recently, maybe its the Storm before the Karma?

Or maybe its the end?


Time will tell......

Excellent post...in fact if buckethead never left there would be a different gnr album roaming on the charts right now.

Geffen prob wanted the album despite bucket leaving. Axl wouldnt give it up because he wants to release an album when the band is in tact. If its going to be done it has to be done right. Unfortunately a lot of things have gotten in the way. but eventually good things will happen.

I don't think you should ask "us" to explain anything.
Nobody knows, and it doesn't do any good to speculate.
I am trying to confirm this, but there is a rumor that Nuno Bettencourt (who is now based in LA and has his own band, Population one) was contacted by Axl or someone in GnR about either recording or playing a show. Nuno doesn't have any interest in doing any one-off shows as he is hard at work on his own project, but this could give evidence that they were trying very hard to get another quality guitarist for the RIR show.

Me too.. I really appreciate Axl making that statement.  It really helps.  If instead we had just received the cancellation notice from the organizer then I would have been really worried.  But Axl's statement has really put my mind at ease.


 : ok:EXCELLENT FUCKING POINT YOUNGGUNNER!!! : ok:

I'd love to hear them explain that shit!

Fuck the so called fans who don't support Axl and the new GN'R.

Who needs 'em?  We sure wouldn't miss your whining and bitching.

Gee you think if we pretended that they have killed our spirit that they would go away?   :hihi:

Nah... lets just flaunt it in their faces.  Arrogant fuckheads.

This brings me back to the old "battered wife" comparison.  The guy has basically said nothing to his fans for ten years...very, very, VERY little at least.  He releases practically nothing, he constantly fires members or put them in such a state of confusion on what's going on witht the the band their in that they finally get fed up and quit, he gives us NO reliable update on releases (no release date he has hinted at for anything has ever been close to when it actually transpired--this is going all the way back to TSI and earlier, BTW) and we have people saying shit like, "I really appreciate him making a statement".  Pathetic.  If you're a chick who's husband beat the living shit out of you (or made you crap in a litter box) for ten solid years, but then one day said, "I'm sorry I've been treating you so poorly for so long, but it's not my fault.  A co-worker of mine bought a bootleg DVD on ebay and that's why I've been so mean" would that be logical to you?

This is crazy.  I absolutely love Axl's voice and how he uses it.  I like all of the music he's put out, and I used to be really, really excited about CD.  I think the new band had the potential to be the greatest thing to ever happen to rock music, but JESUS TAPDANCING CHRIST!!  The guy has press release to explain why he isn't going to show up at one god-damned concert, and it turns into a rant from a forty-something dude about why he thinks his guitarist left.  The first 3 words that came to my head when I read that "confession of a dangerous mind" were: FIND THE MONKEYS.  Whoever said earlier that this loony-tune has gone full circle was 100% right.

The really sad thing is that Axl once again hinted that there would be some news in the next few months.  Now everyone's going to get all booby-balistic about what that news could be.  Then, in a year when we hear nothing, people will be making pathetic excuses for Axl like, "Well, Axl said a few months.  There are 12 months in a year, maybe Axl meant 12 months.  Or 24 months.  Or 36 months."


It's getting really, really hard to keep liking Axl when he treats his fans so piss-poor.



-Banny

Hilarious comparison, but frightening nonetheless...  I think he had to make an official cancellation statement to satisfy the RIR promoters.  And if he rants about Bucket, it means he needs him.  He's done it before with others, you know.

Bucket attended the Grammys with his friend Bootsy, so all that nonsense about "his friends not communicating with him" was just embarassing.

When asked when the record will come out.......

In June.  God willing, we will release it in June. -- Axl, January 2001

Sometime in the next year. -- Axl, December 2002

 Yeah, I am with Dizzy on this. Axl did say those two comments, so, I am not putting much faith in a definite release date being announced. But, at least Axl has spoken out, taken some of the blame, and has let us know some incarnation of Gnr still does exist. I think the truth about BH and Gnr is somewhere in the middle of both their storys.

If I had a husband that treated me like shit I would leave him because remaining his wife would make my life miserable.

Being a fan of Axl and the new Guns N' Roses IS NOT MY LIFE.

Believing in Axl does not even inconvenince me one teeny bit.
Its not like I have a fucking candle in my window that I have to keep burning until CD comes out!
The new Guns N' Roses music is something in my life that I can look forward to.  If it NEVER came out it would NOT AFFECT MY LIFE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

I come to the board because I enjoy sharing my PLEASURABLE passtime with others who likewise enjoy it.

IF YOU feel like a battered wife then perhaps you need to put things in perspective.

I love Axl for all he has shared of himself and his talent through Guns N' Roses...
He has inspired and comforted and excited thousands upons thousands of fans all over the world throughout his career with his music and at times with his sharing his lifes story and revelations with us.

Whoever feels so cynical and jaded and abused should get the fuck out - I agree.  But don't try and convince me or anyone else about how they should feel.  Its getting old.

Thanks
 :peace:

Well I guess god wasn't willing to let him release it, and the second time, axl just didn't come through.

As you can see he always says god willing. Meaning if everything goes there way. Obiviosuly there have been problesm along the way. I couldnt tell ya why it wasnt released back in 2000/01 but its quite obivious why it hasnt been released since the tour.

It appears to me that the plan was to release Cd anywhere from april to mid may. I think that they were going ahead with those plans and were gonna do these festivals shows as the launch of the album tour. Around Feb bucket quits. That changes the whole thing. If you think its just another member leaving you couldnt be more wrong. Buckethead was a pivotal member of this group.

The band has to now accept the fact that he is no longer with them. They have to figure out how his work will fit in and who to replace him with. That has been goin on since Feb.
Buckets departure probably deflated the band. They were just about to finally launch. They were a tight unit and then bam. Bucket quits. Now they have to regroup.

That is why I give Gnr a pass on the "cd will be out n 2003 comments".

As for 2001 i have no clue. Prob because the new lineup began to make better material than what they already had as Axl said in the press release. Everything is starting to add up.

That is why I shake my head when i see people critisize Axl and the delays. SHit has happened. Im not saying he doesnt create a lot of it but you know what, he wants to do this right. And what was right was that he finally got a band that served justice to the past. It began in 99 and in 2003 one of its pivotal members has left. Should someone be ridiculed for that? Yea he can just release the material. But like many of you fail to realize, they arent gonna do it half ass, they are gonna go balls out. And for that i am grateful and will forever support.

Well boo fucking hoo... the album didn't come out.

And oooo yeah... let's guess.... let us guess that its because Axl didn't want it to come out...
yeah that's it...  he has dedicated the better part of the last decade of his life to re-building a band and recording music because he hopes to make himself the object of negative criticism from everyone and anyone who knows how to use a keyboard... or ooo here's an idea.. he is just trying to piss off the likes of (you)... and ooo maybe even MORE satisfying... as a result of the latter he gets to read and actually GIVE A FUCK about what (you all) have to say!

ooo  yeah thats it... he is fulfilling his life's dreams!!!

get a fucking clue
you all call us (who suport and believe in Axl) dislussional!!!
what makes YOU all the center of the universe??

cuz um... lemme check... if its not about Axl and the new Guns N' Roses for you here...
then why the fuck are you here....

and oh I don' t believe any of you have replied to Young Gunners' post yet...

One hand people say how this band is a bunch of hired guns yet on the other hand they want axl to go out and grab a guitarist.

... nope...  I didn't THINK so.
Take a stance, stick with it... and then repeat it to a nauseum as you like if it gets you off.  Axl ruined GN'R... Axl let me down...  Axl didn't release my album... Waaah!  Waaah!
Hell critisize Axl, critisize me... critisize every other die hard loyal fan....  We are used to it.  Sick of it?  Yes.  But I'm hopin' you will get sick of fighting an UPHILL BATTLE before long...
why don't you realize it - as hell bent as (you all) are on putting down Axl and the new Guns N' Roses we are A THOUSAND TIMES more devoted.  

Guns N' Fuckin' Roses!
Give 'em hell Axl!

Give 'em hell Axl!

He has to show up somewhere to do that first.... :hihi: