Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Like Jim Morrisson singing this song as a "good bye" to The doors and to the music, the Rio cancellation seems to be the "this is the end" for Axl to Guns n' Roses and to the music.

thank you Axl for all you gave us with Guns n' Roses, thank you for November Rain, a real piece of art, thank you for all.
good bye man,
take care.

Welcome to The End

not to get picky but the end was on the doors first album, making it difficult to be a goodbye to music or the doors.

It sure sounds like the end but there is always hope

"this is the end" is like an image. even if it's on the 1st Doors album.
 I just hope Axl won't finish like Kurt Cobain. he must feel very bad now. anything could happen.

I have to lock up my GNR albums in a vault and forget about them 5-10 years and then re-discover them.

sure, they might be a CD in two, three years, but with other members. another new GNR...

What and blow his brains out?

Dare we see the day of "another new GN'R"

As I said in the other thread....this is the very first time I've truly felt its over for good.  I don't mean to sound like a GnR nerd...but I truly am feeling upset right now.  

You don't fucking cancel your previous tour without explanation...stay silent for over a year...and then... fucking have the audacity to cancel your next scheduled concert appearance.  Yeah Axl...you're really working hard to win back the fans...you've really been trying to get your shit back together and present this band and your new material to the world.  

Everyone around here has been talking about how Axl has given everyone a year off....and how they're all working on the album....rehearsing for the next tour...bla bla bla....HORSESHIT!!   :)

And how about it wasn't the end, but just a  new beginning ?

New life maybe ?

Whateva, good luck to him.

this is the end at least for me

AXL ROSE FUCK YOU!!!

I read the other replies in this thread....have you ever noticed that its getting harder and harder to tell who is being sincere....and who is being sarcastic?  

today is the day i stopped waiting for Axl and CD...

Axl is too late in the game for there to be time for a "new beginning."  We all know Axl's timetable...so by the time his "new beginning" started...he'd be 53 yrs. old with grey braids.  And you gotta admit...any frontman who runs around on stage as much as Axl would look pretty ridiculous doing it in his 50s.

 :'(

 :crying:

I am sincere. I wish him the best.

MYself for one have not been "waiting" for axL, however I am looking forward to DC, am I pissed ......yeah.......
and I disapointed................yeah..........
But realistically.......what I have and what I heeard has always kept me a fan, I aint throwing in the card, cause I have my own life.........that is up to GNR ........if they decide to cease and stop, I take that.......but That is not anything I heard yet, all I heard is that they wont be doing RIR................
I love this board nd I love GNR but .......me getting all misty about them not being in RIR , wont happen.........if they(the band ,Axl says) no more GNR .....well then no more I listen to the music I have ........aint no band ever gonna affect me like they di but thats ok......I got my own music .
SO hey I saw them 14 times live from 87 -2002.
I really aint complaining
Mad as hell yes ...........but I will take that out in the form of muasic.......creating it that is

I have to agree
It`s  all over


bye axl, take care man. you have always been my idol :beer:

this isn't the end.

Dude you really are a sheep! :hihi:

that was for dirty balls........and speaking for gay men ......thats nasty! :hihi:

Grow up for fuck sake.  If you think its the end then all of you piss off lol simple as.  No ones going to notice.  

Those of us who have been fans since the old era know it's always been this mad.  From magazines and radio stations announcing (on different occasions)  Slash and Axl's deaths (remember those!?) to riots, to cancellations.  zillions of rumours and lies.

  Difference is we have the net which allows people to build up expectation and analyse everything untill it's not news anymore.

Don't get me wrong it is dissapointing.  But there's no need to get so dramatic and attack.  It's just a musician who decides what he wants to do and what he doesn't.  

It would have just been a good thing for him to get out and play. It's not over untill he says so and i think he has too much imagination to just not release the ideas he has.  So we shall see.    

Alot of us were saying don't expect anything untill you hear it officially.

its obvious that BH leaving has put GNR in the shit.

They are 1 gituar player down, how can they play?

Axl's priority must be to find a new guitarist.

I thought he could not replace Slash, I was wrong. Now I think he can not replace BH, but I have faith that again he will prove me wrong.

Axl has a shit load of material that he wants the world to hear, he just needs a band that can stay together long enough for him to deliver it.

GN'R r in the shit all right and who knows if they'll make it out the tunnel

Axl has a choice...but how he chooses is between him and God and NO ONE else...right now, apparently, he has chosen to be "offended" by Buckethead's decision...kind of a "knee jerk" reaction but that's nothing new for Axl...give 'em a couple of days to sleep on it...if GNR is still really a passion for him, he'll see the light : ok: If not...well, it was great while it lasted : ok:

But it will be much harder to replace Buckethead than Slash. At least skill wise.
Robin could never replace BH...

Axl needed a few years to find a replace for Slash...I hope he's faster this time...

i agree...its over... :'(

...It's over,or at least  this era of GNR has come to a end.
This was such a wild ride...on 1/13/2001 I think all of us were filled with hope,and i sincerley belive Axl,Buckethead,Robin,Paul,Richard,Tommy,Chris,Brain,and Dizzy were filled with hope too.

But things just went downhill from there,and despite obvious warning signs,Axl and the fans held onto hope through it all though,and that might even be greater than if Chinese Democracy was actualy released.

Sometimes the real fun of a trip isnt the destination,but what you do on the way.

You know I have a feeling Axl knew a long time ago that this was doomed to fail,and he just wanted to have fun while it lasted.
Sorta like the old GNR,,it didn't last forever,but would you rather GNR never exsisted?

We have 8 albums and endless numbers of concerts that have been recorded and shall be with us for the rest of our lives.

This was a hell of ride and even though the end redult was painful and heartbreaking,I wouldn't trade it for nothing!

And Mr.Rose if you read this,I hope that you have a wonderful life,and I sincerley hope this isnt the last we see of you,cause you still have lots to offer this world.
Maybe in time you could form another band,or work things out with the old members.
I wish you the best. :peace:

And to everyone else,no matter what happends in the future,at least in my heart you'll always be abel to hear it chanting...

GUNS N' ROSES!
GUNS N' ROSES!!
GUNS N' ROSES!!!
 :D :D :D

Thats it ... several years of waiting just found an end.

I just wanted to check for news ... and news I got ...

That's it. For Weeks I took this event as a border ... to wait no longer. It's reached, I'm gone.

 :crying:

An end? Yup.

THE end?  I've learned never to be that definitive when it comes to GnR.  I'm not saying it's not possible, but, in all honesty, I won't be sure that GnR is "over" til they're carrying Axl in a casket.

It sure does explain Dizzy's "It's not Axl delaying the album" comments, now don't it?

I don't know how many times I've seen "the end of GN'R".

Steven was fired, Izzy left, Gilby gone, Slash, Duff, Matt, Josh, the 2001 and 2002 tours, Buckethead etc....

To me it's a chapter in the band's history that's ending. Until Axl says "this is it", it's not gonna end.


/jarmo

Gotta go with Jarmo on this one.  While this is an extremely long and complicated chapter, it's not altogether unfamiliar.
When Adler was fired, I was pretty depressed...after all what would this do to the Illusion albums?  Later that day, it occurred to me that maybe this would be the opportunity to "clear out the deadwood"' so to speak, and the UYI twins came out within a year, as I recall.
While Bucket is not really deadwood, if his personality makes it difficult for him to commit, then the band may be better able to move forward without him.  Is this an overly optimistic appraisal of the situation? Perhaps, but nobody outside of the Guns camp and Bucket knows for sure at this juncture.

One last upbeat note...Axl stated in his letter that Bucket's contributions were appreciated.  I think that, based on that, he may not be looking to rerecord the guitar parts.  Most likely, again in my opinion, Bucket will be thanked in the liner notes as a guest.

I read in another thread that maybe " no one is an asshole" in this situation.  That may be the case.  It is probable that things just didn't work out.
It's Evolution baby!!!
Evolution is a mystery....
/Mike

GNR died a really long time ago.  The NEW GNR is a circus.  Axl should take some blame for hiring a nut like Buckethead.  And he says they'll have a release date in couple months?  Gee, I'll be holding my fucking breathe until that day!!!

Maybe it's the end for you (goodbye!). Don't speak for the rest of us though. I'm looking forward to the future of Guns N' Roses.

AA.

Everyone here relax. We've received an official press release from Axl / Sanctuary. Inspite of the events, this is GOOD news. It's good to see that we are receiving this information well ahead of the planned show rather than a last minute cancellation.

Hold on to your "horses" we're in for a really big ride in 2004.

Continue to support your cause, and don't ever give up hope. These guys are going to kick your ass this year!

AA.

hahahah this is so ridicilous.
ONE setback and you all cry your eyes out. EVERY time!
"i won't buy CD" "fuck you axl rose!!!!" "this is the day guns n' roses died" "i hate you axl rose!!!! you ruined my life" "what am i supposed to do with my life NOW??" and so on. plain ridicilous.

to quote the guy you all love to hate: "all we need is just a little patience". AIIGHT?! just chill for a minute. w. axl rose and guns n' roses will be back before you know it, ruling the charts and topping the world once again with great new music and great live shows. with or without buckethead. it's not like his departure has ruined everything for this band, it was just another setback. no one can predict these things, so stop blaming axl.

The end? U insane?

U actually thought GNR would ever show????? ::)

Anyway we had a message from Axl himself saying a release date is likely (hmm) within the next few months, sod RIR, CD is on its way!

Axl is a man of very few words and it seems like he doesn't talk if it's to say nothing.

So, i think we should trust him, give him the benefit of the doubt, because in the end, we don't know what happened, how it happened, who decided what and when.

Axl is just the person who forwarded an official message to the press and the fans.

I feel gutted that he gets slaughtered for it.

The band probably worked hard on this album and logic says they haven't worked to forget about it just because some career orientated guitarist decids to quit.

er jarmo...did u notice that since those guys left we havent really had any new material....cept 4 songs!

So? It's still a chapter in my opinion.

I hope some day we can read the official biography about all this.  :hihi:


/jarmo

thats gonna be one long ass book :rofl:

It's funny to think of a band existing without the people who made it.  It's like the scene from Monty Python and the Holy Grail where that black knight is getting his body parts cut off, but he wants to keep fighting cuz he's still got his crazy head.

"You've got no arms left!"    "Just a flesh wound!"

Maybe Bucket wasnt an arm, maybe he was just a toenail, who knows.

What's kind of fucked up for me, is that for the last year, I haven't been in the mood at all, to listen to GN'R. With all the bullshit, it just annoys me to even here the past music. I am sure I will rediscover them again but, for now they just aren't doing it for me anymore. I know that if the day comes that CD does surface, I will fall in love with GNR again.

But as of now, they have been tainted. The departure of Buckethead, effected my perception of GNR greatly, and that saddens me. I had a feeling they weren't going to make it to Rio this year.

I really hope CD comes out soon, but with the departure of Buckethead, the canceled Rio gig...It seems farther away then ever before. I just don't see how it would be possible. Its never good to say never...but, the only feeling I think I have right now...is that I just don't care anymore. I will something good is announced. The negativity has been enough already.

I doubt that it is the end of GN'R but it is for me. This is the last straw. Axl can go fuck himself with a rusty chainsaw.

He is just a big cry baby cunt, who clearly is living in his own little world where everyone is in the wrong except him.

Fuck You Axl.....

Yes, we know how you feel already. Now, if you have nothing else to say, I suggest you try hard to come up with something. It gets boring  fast.


/jarmo

Nobody cares about you

Why don't you try it instead?

You've got enormous knowledges about Axl, to me you're a crying C.


F U simjimwim

It's the end? Cool, you take the cyanide pill first and the rest of us will follow. Promise.

I thought I saw a light at the end of the tunnel. But it turned out to be a train coming!
  :hihi:

I think the album will still come out one day. But I'm not holding my breath. It's the end today...maybe tomorrow it will start again. You NEVER know with this guy.

hahahah
word! promise!

i know that this was sed in a serious way but  :hihi:

First of all, if you read what Axl said, it says:  "Regardless we hope to announce a release date within the next few months." I didn't want to see that show cancelled, just like I wish the tour wasn't cancelled. But, as other have said, at least is was advanced notice. I have been into Guns since they first "disbanded". I started following them right as they broke up. I sat and read every rumor and half-truth there was, hoping for something, ANYTHING. Then there was the shows in Las Vegas two years in a row. Then MTV. And finally, after years of hoping and waiting, I got to see Axl live. Yes, I said AXL. Not that everyone else isn't important. But he's the reason I started following Guns in the first place. My dream came true. I saw him play. If I never see him or anything new again, I will always have that memory. I can't say I wouldn't be upset. I would be very upset. I hope this isn't the end. I hope that it is a new beginning. But if for some reason it is, then it's been fun. But I won't give up just yet.

"It's the end of the world as we know it...
It's the end of the world as we know it...
And I feel fine"

 :hihi: : ok:

This is the end...my only friend, the end.. :D

Doesn't something have to have a beginning to have an end?

~KYI

This is not the end of GNR.  many of you think it might be but I don't think they are done.  Axl very easily could of called it quits in the letter but he is looking into the future now.  The end came a while ago for the old GNR but this is the new Guns and Roses and this is just another stepping stone for them.  

When "the end" comes, it will be obvious, as all of this talk is pure speculation. Until Axl comes out and says "I'm sorry to all of the fans, but things have not worked out for us since we began this journey, so before things get anymore out of hand, we're all calling it quits. There will be no more Guns N' Roses," this ain't over, not by a long shot. Maybe dealing with Buckets erratic behavior has been a part of keeping this project from getting up to the starting line. I think Axl really, really wanted Bucket to be a part of this, but at the same time, Bucket had another agenda. As disheartened as I am, it's not the end. Axl's carried on for the past 10 years, and I don't see him laying down for some ass with a chicken-fettish...

It's not the end at all.  It's the beginning : ok:

You guys are funny.

BUCKETHEAD'S erratic behavior? I bet when Axl looks at Bucket he can see himself reflected in bucket's white mask. You wanna talk about erratic behavior, start with the man Axl himself.

What exactly did Buckethead do? He got sick of fucking not having material released, recording all the time with no results, having tours cancelled, riots, no shows, etc. Can you blame the guy?

And before you people get all on your high horses about "contracts," contracts are broken all the time. Hell, Axl was under contract to play Vacnouver, Philly, and all the other cancelled shows. Not to mention the ones in Europe. Axl is under contract to release a number of albums that don't take 8 years to make.

Don't play the blame game without putting it on Axl.

~KYI

yeah, there?s no reason to blame bh.he just followed axl untill he got tiered of waiting.I would have done  it a lot more befor.... :(

Ok are there any smart people that want to agree with me?

~KYI

I realize everyone has some bitterness and needs a place to vent and apparently grieve, but I'm getting extremely tired of reading all the "THIS IS THE END, I NOW HATE GnR" posts. None of you have a clue if it is the end. All the BH supporters think that his departure means the end of the band, and that's ridiculous.
Does it mean they can't pull off a live performance at a huge festival. Yes. Does it mean that the years of recording for the new CD will never be out? Of course not.
That's fine if you're "against Axl" or "no longer waiting" for CD. We get the point. But for people to declare that it's "THE END" when they have no idea what the internal goings-on of the band...it's almost sad. Giving repeated "F-Us!" to Axl or buckethead on this board is also sad. Get a grip.

From what was said in the letter by Axl , it looks like we may get CD sooner that we think but maybe I just reading it wrong. So I doubt that this is the end of  Guns n' Roses.

Naaahhhhhhh it'll never be the end! I refuse to believe it!! :smoking:

Iam verry disapointed....i lost 350,- euro whit this game of axl en co...ive personly asked bill laswell for news on 12feb en he sad me that buckethead was out of guns nroses....from that moment on axl whas noing that buck was a big problem.(and my opinion is that buck is a great and serieus man whit no sens of vip behavior)axl had give me 3times a no show.(2times in gelredome arnhem)and now this time he broke my soul.i wanne have a person that even when he is ill...get on stage and play whitout buck...ok..but play anyway than you got guts.and remember 1 thing gnr is not slash en axl,or axl-co..NOWAY GUNS N ROSES ARE THE FANS! WE ARE GUNS N ROSES.can anywone start a topic for de GUNNERS that are coming anyway for the meeting in the hardrockcafe in lisboa.thanxs iam dying..byebye.....(sorry for bad language)

I did: http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?board=4;action=display;threadid=10691;start=20#lastPost (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?board=4;action=display;threadid=10691;start=20#lastPost)

Yes its the end of Rock In Rio-Lisboa.

Its just the beginning for Guns N'Roses..

Chinese Democracy Starts Soon.. ;)

Axl Rose is still the man and i don't give a damn what anyone else says...

thats preety sad. Why couldnt Axl write this little nice letter before the tickets went on fucking sale???  :rant:

sometimes in life you have to take a step back so you can move forward. i still hope this is the case. CD is Axl's project, Gn'R is Axl's life. this band was Axl's vision. Now he needs to replace one element (or not) to make it viable again.
i'm sure it feels pretty bad for a band member to leave at this point, but maybe it's for the best. as long as Axl sees this as a sign that he has to take the opportunities he has to meke things work, instead of delaying them, since he may loose that opportunity in the end.
it won't end. Axl's letter was more than obvious on that issue.

This is NOT the end...this is anything BUT the end.  
Did all of you read the message or not???  Yes, the band's had problems with Buckethead.  Yes, we're waiting a little longer to see our band perform, but there are legitimate excuses here.

Please look at the good news.  We are getting a release date announced in the next few months.  That kicks ass.

 :love:

I will follow anything and look forward to anything that any member of the Original 5 releases. Buckethead didn't cause4 me to like this band. The fact that he is gone makes me even happier.  

i dont know if the band is over , i think its not over , but i found difficult to think about getting the new album this year , and the poople telling the others that they should stop saying that this is over and all of that i think they should understand those guys , there are many people thats been waiting for years for the new album and then nothing , so they have the right to be upset and to think that its over as much as others have the right to think that the album will be out , why not to think that the album wont be out after waiting for 8 years?

i will wait for this new album , i dont really care if BH is out , i see Axl Rose like the greatest rock n roll star and thats why im hoping for the new album , but i also respect the pople that are dissapointed abut Axl and that they give up on waiting.

Ok this is a new tread for the one whos even sick like me and that one who wants to set a point after axls beheavior.it now called: SICK OF IT ALL....AXL!! :beer:

I'm not sure Axl speaks your language.  Was that english?

-F

If ur sick of GNR just leave....we don't care.


We really don't.


Axl will have to do a lot worse before i will stop supporting him.

If we haven't left by now I don't we will be leaving any time soon.  Being GNR fans, we have been through so much crap that I don't think there is much that won't make us go away.  And certainly not some dude leaving will affect this fact.  Being a fan is like going on a rollercoaster ride, its such a rush and we don't want that feeling to stop so we always get back in line and grab a good seat and do it all over again.  

Yeah, have to agree. There are those that come and go, but this is like damn soap opera. I used to say that I wouldn't care anymore, but like he said, after all the shit that's gone down, this isn't that big of a deal, although it is a bit shocking to me, knowing that Rio is what pulled Axl out of retirement last time. When the album comes out, most of you will buy it and will come here and talk about it.

YAWN.......

So, what are you waiting for??? :nervous: ??? :confused:


Hurry up and GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE!!! :yes: : ok: :rant:


Cancel your subscription to the resurrection Motherfucker!!! :smoking: :beer: :nervous: :confused: >:(

look to the top right of your screen. Theres a tiny "x"...click it.

what the fuck is wrong with u pussies! why are u giving up cause shit head buckethead left?

fuck bucket head u think thats gonna end gnr? if u think so u are a fucking moron and dont deserve the priviledge of calling yourself a god damn gnr fan!

gnr survived SLash,Duff,izzy steven,matt,gilby leaving GNR a masked bucket of shit isnt gonna end guns n roses

grow some fuckin balls everyone stop signing axls death warrant

and u all need to shut your cockholes about axl killing himself
it aint gonna happen

axl isnt shallow there is a whole fuckin lot more to axl rose than music

hello everyone!

shit like this makes me wanna leave this board i swear

axl is gonna kill himself cause bucket left, thats a pathetic stupid fuckin statement

im sure axl could quit music tomorrow and live a nice normal happy life

and loving the fans is the only reason he keeps tryin to do something new, he has went 10 years out of the public eye, i think he can be content either way

This is no way the end. From what we know of Axl, he knows where he wants to get, and hell i never used to be that fond of him but now i really respect the guy. He's put the effort in to try and reform a band that became legends, from absolute scratch, and THAT is nothing that should be underestimated, as any of you who are in bands will know, its very hard work starting something new.

  For me, Guns N' Roses was and always will be Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy and ... Matt. Maybe Dizzy lol. That doesnt mean i wont fall in love with the new lineup when the cd eventually comes out (which it will... Axl wouldnt put this much effort in to making it to let it, and its tour, go), but i wish they'd change the name; 'Guns N' Roses' is long gone for me. As for a new guitarist, its not gonna take him that long. You can imagine how many people there are out there who know half the GN'R stuff anyway, and buckethead is by no means 'the best ever', and remember Gilby only had 10 weeks to learn 30 songs before the use your illusion tour.

For all the Axl bashers, its your own opinion but no need to be so verbal about it. Sure the guys made mistakes and some  debateable decisions but hey hes a multi millionaire he can afford to lol. And if, like me, the old lineup is your preference then we have velvet revolvers debut album out soon too, which has got to be something to look forward to. I'm gonna be getting both ;)

Axl will make this work, and if it starts to go sour we'll all know about it there and then. I can't imagine Axl finally ending Guns without making as big a deal of it as possible, can you ;)

The end? No definitely not. If nothing else, it's always fun to keep following the Guns N' Roses soap opera.  ;D It's almost as ridiculous as the recent events regarding another band..those of you who have heard of Stratovarius know exactly what I mean...  ;D