Here Today... Gone To Hell!

http://rockinrio-lisboa.sapo.pt/nc02/457367.html?lang=pt

quick translation:
gn'r won't be perfoming because of Buckethead's departure.

plus, and this is big, Axl wrote a letter to the fans:
"Em meu nome e dos Guns N? Roses gostaria de pedir desculpas aos f?s que planeavam ver-nos no Rock in Rio-Lisboa. O Festival e sua hist?ria t?m um grande significado para mim e, sinceramente, n?o gosto da sensa??o de ser me ser roubada a oportunidade de ser o primeiro artista a tocar em tr?s edi??es."

"in my name, and in guns n'roses name, i would like to apologise to the fans that hoped to see us in rock-in-rio-lisboa. the festival and its history have a great significance to me, and sincerely, i don't like the feeling of losing the chance to be the first artist to perform in 3 editions."

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FUCK YOU BUCKETHEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Im going to go fucking slit my fucking wrists now....

FUCK!!

i didn't receive it  :crying: :crying:

damn it! third time he f*cking cancells shows i was going to!!

What a bloody surprise :'(

glad I only bought tickets to the show and not plane tickets from london to lisbon

that was my original plan too...but then i heard that the flights were almost completly booked...ah well...a chance to show those soccer hooligans how it's really done! : ok:

I swear, I do NOT understand this man.  He issues an apology for a concert cancellation that was cancelled well in advance...yet, he offers no apology and no word on the Philly cancellation...where thousands of people were left waiting in the venue for hours....waiting for him to take the stage. (!?)  A-S-S-H-O-L-E

Shit, I don't know.  Maybe Axl hates his American fans but loves his South American ones.  He sure loves doing the Rio gig.  

Oh...btw...I do now believe that GnR is officially over...that C.D. is already "dated" sounding and Axl will never be satisfied to release it.  Well...it sure was great while it lasted.    :no:

I know some of you people think I'm a real bitch, and thats fine...I probably am at times.  Its just that I've feared this happening all along...my negativity and criticism of Axl has served as a defense mechanism for me...because in the back of my mind...I've always felt that C.D. will never see the light of day.  I've never been able to say this with conviction...but at this point...I believe that GnR is finished for good.  If Axl had any class...he would do more than issue a statement about Rio:  rather, he would issue a press release announcing his retirement from the music business....and his retirement from recording.

Goddamn...fucking bummer...well, I'll leave it to some of you eternal hopefuls to try and put a positive face on this bullshit announcement...but I don't think I'll be buying it.  This SUCKS!!!

I can't believe I'm hearing this.....fuck you BUCKETHEAD?!?!  Some of you people are in such denial about Axl and his blameworthiness....that its actually creepy.  For chrissake...he's known of BH's departure for over a YEAR now....but somehow you're able to still proclaim FUCK YOU BUCKETHEAD...as if its somehow HIS fault for Axl cancelling out on Rio?  Axl has had eons to replace him...there's no excuse for cancelling this show...other than that Axl is a major reclusive weirdo, as usual.  And hell....Axl shoulda had no problem replacing BH...thats about the only thing he excels at anymore...replacing bandmembers...and now, it seems he's even forgotten how to do that!!!   :crying:

I still can't believe it...you blaming Bucket for Axl cancelling Rio.  That's unreal.  

this year RIR is in Portugal...didn't know that was located in South America....

for once i agree with you.... i always chose to ignore your negative attitude but i hate to say you were right...

you were right the entire time....

"the festival and its history have a great significance to me, and sincerely, i don't like the feeling of losing the chance to be the first artist to perform in 3 editions."

What a selfish bastard He ofers 3 sentence apologie with half of it saying about himself and his reputation and fame. Fuck you Axl

well, at least the man broke his silence....pitty it was shitty news.... :confused: :no:

its really hard to believe that we are going to see CD anytime soon, or at all really.

Hey ya never now April fools is a day way and they caould all say .............fooled ya!............Maybe just my wishwull thinkin :no:

But then again I still think that the public reception of GNR which it way bigger than our online community may have giving a spark to do what they need to do and get the damn album out........shit a fucking greatest hits will wnter at # 3 in the US and has #1 in many countries and top 5 in many others............even if he was reluctant about the representation........hes gotta be shocked himself that it ws recieved so well,
And maybe rather than doing this show he is kicking it up and getting himself together to get CD out .....SOON!

Im blaming Brian Carroll for quiting when there is no reason to quit...ok they fucking took a year off... big deal...he was free to do his own shit and did... Maybe im way off on this... if so someone from GnR or BH needs to issue a fucking statement and end all this fucking needless confusion...

Its not like they tour alot anyways....

Well....I'm pleased to hear you acknowledge my perspective....but as I said in the above post...with all due respect...it makes absolutely no sense for you to blame BH for this cancellation. (From what I gather....FUCK YOU BUCKETHEAD indicates that you feel BH is responsible for this.)

And hey....I'd love to have a positive attitude about GnR.  Axl fucking rocks...I've been a Guns fan since '88...I've been waiting on this album for years, yknow.  But I just can't fool myself like so many of you seem to do.  Why do that?  You're just setting yourself up for much worse of a disappointment.  Most of us here know Axl better than most....so knowing Axl's ways...why can't we just come to admit that he's not gonna deliver on C.D.?

the problem is, who ever has contact with axl quits talking with fans.

Axl should fucking get his shit togethor quick smart, ya can't keep delaying everything cos eventually the fans won't be there, so if the reason was of Bh's departure why did axl say GN'R would peform..it's gettin fucking ridiculous now.....no fans of any other band have to put up with shit the way we have 2

Jesus Christ....correct me if I'm wrong...but didn't it come out that BH left OVER A YEAR AGO?  I don't see how anyone could EVEN CONSIDER BH quitting as the reason for the cancellation.  And for fuck's sake...doesn't this still leave like 2 or 3 guitarists for Axl to work with?  Nobody needs 3 or 4 guitarists to put on a fucking rock concert...especially since all Axl has shown he can do with the new GnR is play a fucking AFD tribute set every night...2 guitarists is plenty for that.  >:(

Thats the Official reason Axl Rose gave for the cancellation..

He speaks so little that when he does speak i listen.. Granted I dont know Brain's side of the story, and like the above poster said...

"people who work with Axl stop talking to fans"

I guess it will never be known why...hes prob under contract not to speak about GnR during or after the employment period...

this is insane. maybe there's a lot going on that we don't know about, maybe activity is all over the place, but it doesn't look like it. what it looks like is very bad. is Axl really so into his own world, so living in his mind, that this gig was made just because Axl likes doing RIR? because he wanted to be the first to do 3. and they're cancelling why? because something really surprising has happened since the long ago cancelled tour or the long ago departure of bucket? i mean, what, he's busy that day? busy doing what exactly? working on CD? finding a guitarist?
it's not fair being a GNR fan. there are no answers, just questions.

it's sad, but i'm honestly upset. this news has me no longer wondering why bucket left, but instead now i wonder why finck hasn't. why they all haven't. what's the secret Axl? what's the big hush hush? put us out of our misery.
forget it. go buy the new aerosmith. wait for the velvet revolver. fall into bands that tour, bands that release albums. there's no sense caring... if Axl ever REALLY says anything, then listen again. if he ever DOES anything, then care again.

Bottom line:

If Axl could carry on without Slash...who was the very essence of GnR...he could certainly regroup and carry on without BH.

Hi, the full letter seems to be a little more optimistic that the three sentence excerpt would suggest. I think although it's really disappointing, there is an actual mention of a forthcoming release date by the man itself, and hints there's a surprise in store...

"Guns N' Roses Not Able to Perform at Rock in Rio; A Message from W. Axl Rose

LISBON, Portugal--(BUSINESS WIRE)--March 30, 2004--Guns N' Roses will not be performing as scheduled at Rock In Rio - Lisbon.


The band has been put in an untenable position by guitarist Buckethead and his untimely departure. During his tenure with the band Buckethead has been inconsistent and erratic in both his behavior and commitment - despite being under contract - creating uncertainty and confusion and making it virtually impossible to move forward with recording, rehearsals and live plans with confidence. His transient lifestyle has made it impossible for even his closest friends to have nearly any form of communication with him whatsoever. Last time I talked to Bucket, he called to tell me he had bought a bootleg DVD off EBay and how proud he was to be in Guns and how impressed he was with everyone's performance. Then, in February we got word from Brain that Bucket had called him and said he was back in Guns!? Apparently, according to Bucket he had been "Gone" but had turned himself around and was really excited to do Rio-Lisbon and a European tour. Somewhere in the following month things changed once again. According to those who have actually spoken with Buckethead it appears his plans were to secure a recording contract with Sanctuary Records which I encouraged my management to make available to him, quit GN'R and to use his involvement in the upcoming Guns release to immediately promote his individual efforts...Nice guy!

There is not a member of this camp that is not hurt, upset and ultimately disappointed by this event, and more to the point - if not this individual, certainly this individual's choices. Regardless of anyone's opinions of me and what I may or may not deserve, clearly the fans, individuals in this band, management, crew and our support group do not deserve this type of treatment. We as a whole, definitely feel that we afforded Bucket every accommodation perhaps so much so that it may be that we or more precisely, I may have done Guns a disservice and unintentionally allowed Guns to be put in this position.

On behalf of Guns N' Roses and myself I apologize to the fans who planned to see us at Rock In Rio - Lisbon. The festival and its tradition mean a lot to me personally and I sincerely do not enjoy being robbed by one of our own of the opportunity to be the first artist to play it for the third time. I would also like to express my gratitude to those who chose to embrace Buckethead's role in Guns and support our new line up. We greatly appreciate Bucket's contributions and remain open to "discussions" as there are obviously several issues to resolve. In the meantime rather than dwelling on the negative, Guns will be moving forward and surprisingly (without giving away any details) this unfortunate set of circumstances may have given us the opportunity to take our recording that one extra step further. Regardless we hope to announce a release date within the next few months.

Sincerely,

W. Axl Rose

*The Festival will shortly announce the name of a new headliner to perform with EVANESCENCE, KINGS OF LEON and XUTOS E PONTAPES amongst others

source: http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/g...283&newsLang=en "

Lisbon is in Europe  ;D

Extra step further? Re-recording AGAIN!?

Release date within the next few months? Maybe I shouldn't give up already...

This is rubbish news.  But i knew and i think many of those who have been around (as fans) for many years knew not to rush into spending our money asap because we know anything can happen.

Buckethead is not to blame. I mean look at Gilby he learnt over 40 songs in less than a month for Illusions tour.  SO the calibre of musicians GN'R would use, would be able to learn the material in time.

To say he has wrecked GNR is a strange one.  I don't think he is important in the GN'R world - enough for that.  He is not Slash.  He is a fantastic amazing guitarist but he is not an integral element - not to me anyway.


I suppose this is not a good enough excuse. But what makes Axl stand out from anyone else is that every word he has put to record he has meant and he has this volitile side of him merged with such brilliance for melody and lyric and performance.  Like The Sex Pistols - Nevermind the bollocks, was not just for fun, it was a serious statement.  And i think GN'R records are like that. Appetite for destruction in itself sums it all up.
It's a statement.  GN'R have always had a self destructive button and i suppose it's not going to change.

Anyway dissapointing news was really looking forward to that.  Hope it's not going to be another dead year.
 

i don't even know what to say .... i don't know.
this is too funny.
* waiting for the " this is all a marketing trick" post  ;D *


well well well
i need to study my test now ...

I fear Axl is completely insane now... I wish I am wrong about it.  :'(

Thank you for this!!!!!! Thank you for finding this!!!!!!!!!!

FFFFFFF    U     U       CCCC         K        K

OFFFFFFFFFFFF BRIAN CARROLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU!!!!!!

Wait asecond, maybe Im crazy...but at the first Rock In Rio, did the band have three guitarists?  For every show they played until a few years ago, did they have three guitarists?  If Axl is as torn up about not performing as he says, is it impossible to perform one show with two guitarists as they always have?  Or even find a fill-in for one night?

Axls own description of Bucketheads dealings with GNR suggest what many have said all along...this isnt a true band.  Its a semi-permanent group of musicians who work on making Axls music.


This guy.... :hihi:



Yuo mean they might take the recording an extra step further?!  Awesome!  Then hopefully we can see some finishing touches, and who knows, in about 15 years we might see the album.

Its insane, all this time and theyre about to talke fucking recording an extra step forward.

Well, Ive gotta respect Axl for finally ending the silence (something that should have been done long ago).  Although he still hasnt told us what we want to know (Philly) or even apologized for it, at least something has been said.  I find none of it very assuring, but I didnt yesterday either, so no harm done.  I never expected them to play anyway.  Sucks to be right.

Does anyone remember the text i had posted and everyone slagging me off for saying it was hoax ?

It did say there would be an official announcement early april, didn't it ?  :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

Why the fuck do you think Axl is insane? It's clear that he wanted Buckethead to be a big part of this, and he has fucked them around. When he says take the album that extra step, he means to release it. And a release anounced in the next few months? This can only be good.

And it's more than a co-incidence that the admin on the rumour forum, heard from someone that Buckethead had been difficult and causing problems. He posted this weeks ago.

@#$%Muther

Holy shit you're right, I stand corrected. (Its in Portugal, right?)  But hey...I'm just another egocentric American, yknow...in my geographical knowledge, the U.S. sits at the center of the universe....and all other surrounding countries amount to stardust.   ;)

Some people are gonna say I'm a blinded and delusional fan again, but somehow Axl's full letter makes sense to me.
I sure hope they won't do any extra recording though  :no:

well, in a mail that I sent to prevent that we won't see GNR in Lisboa, one of my friend told me that it was predictible, but they were "casse-couille" to always cancelled   :hihi: :hihi: I won't traduce it... let you imagine what it means... :P

When he says 'take our recording that one step further' it doesn't mean recording more stuff. 'Our recording' is the album.

@#$%Muther

Yup, everybody elses fault, as usual...


No, he says "take our recording that extra step".  Seems pretty clear to me what hes saying...the album still isnt done.
 

Because he always has got someone elso to blame, and unable to say that 'it was my fault'. Jesus, he haven't released anything since 1993, only a demo! Why didn't release CD in 2003 at least? Why is he unable to record 14 songs? Let's face it, the only reason why CD is still not released is Axl Rose. I1m afraid that the record company will understand it in the near future and will kick him out of the door.  :(

Several issues being, do you release an album full of an ex-member's material that noone else can play? Do you re-record it? Do you release it and just play different live versions with another guitarist.

Taking the recording further bothers me. Cause Axl isn't getting younger and with every passing year, I doubt his voice is getting better. Maybe all it will be is some additional touches with anew member.

New Guns was all about Axl and Bucket for me, with all respect to the other members. After Axl's contributions, I (and most others) were most looking forward to hearing what Bucket had brought to the table. The 3 tiny studio snippets of new songs played on the radio 18 months ago still leave me slavating at the prospect of hearing songs I've played a thousand times on bootlegs.

I believe Axl is completely sincere in his letter and I hold nothing against him whatsoever. He has been in no way disingenuous towards Bucket when I can only imagine how he must feel being betrayed and rejected yet again.

I said before that if the shit hit the fan again I'd pack all of my GnR stuff away until the day CD was in the shops.

Because of the circumstances and Axl's letter, I'm going to stick around.

this is interesting. could it be him referring to fans opinions of him, and their frustration at him being quiet, not releasing the album etc...?


LOL!
id love to believe that in a few months we will have an official release date, and have something concrete to get excited about, but at the moment i cant believe it. i guess we will have to wait and see, but im not holding my breath.

and i love how he places all the blame on buckethead.
didnt buckhead say he left because axl hasnt released the album?

Booker,

This is typical, you moan and complain about how you haven't heard anything and then when he comes out with a full explanation of this situation and apology you still complain.

So where in all of this do you see anyone else to blame for the cancellation? You're basically saying Axl is talking out of his ass? "yup, everyone elses fault as usual" is a pretty shitty, and feeble answer to a fact.

our recording could mean either. It is not clear.

On top of everything else he tells us they will announce a release date in the next few months and you still have a problem?

If I was Axl, I wouldn't say anything to fans like you anyway. If he's silent you complain, if he says something you complain again and then ignore everything he said.

Get a clue.

@#$%Muther

yes we complain about what he says. i mean, guys, is it always the fault of the other members? BH has worked with hundred other artists and Axl is the first one who says that Bh is an asshole. dig that

Yeah because 98% of that update sucks, and the other 2% probably sucks too.


Come on, face the facts.  Its another cancellation.  Hes proved me and all the other "naysayers" right once again.

If this announcement had been along the lines of "Despite Buckethead leaving, well perform with two guitarists like I did for every concert before 2000.  And Im sorry for Philadelphia and the album will come out on June 15" do you think anybody would criticize that?  No.  But when we get "Bucketheads out so were cancelling and letting everyone down again, but at least you know that its all his fault.  Im incapable of performing with two guitarists.  And were still recording, and maybe well give a release date within a few months"..."few" probably being a relative word here.


Youre reaching here...

Youre right, we should all be thrilled that Axl has broken his silence to let us down again...we, let you down anyway.  I never expected him to show up, you did.  But youre the type of fan that even if Axl wrote "The album has cancelled" youd give the same "See!  If Axls silent, he gets bashed and if he speaks he gets bashed!"  Of course, because if you havent noticed, its bad news.  Theres no explanation of why he cant perform with two guitarists...But no, lets just all not criticize Axl just because he decided to say something. : ok:

Do you ever consider the idea that it may not be his fault?

@#$%Muther

How long have you been following this band?  This is hardly the first time that Axl has promised that C.D. is on its way.  Axl's words and promises mean as much as my grandma's when it comes to C.D.  The only statement that would matter at this point is an official C.D. release date from the record company.

PEOPLE WON'T GET THEIR MONEY BACK

nor plane tickets
not RIR4 ticket
people called, and they don't reimburse.
it's festival, you don't get your money back for a festival if ONE performer don't come.
maybe thats why GNR likes festivals, they can cancel and stay at home as they want.

no quite the opposite... he blames Brain Carrol  for dragging his feet on the album, recording, ...but he takes the blame for allowing it to happen...




nope Brian Carroll never said that... he hasnt said shit...

i suggest you reread...

When did he promise it was on it's way. He's never refferred to announcing a release date before. And when he was directly asked about it, he said soon ain't the word.

@#$%Muther

How long have you been following this band?  This is HARDLY the first time that Axl has promised that C.D. is on its way.  Axl's words and promises mean as much as my grandma's when it comes to C.D.  The only statement that would matter at this point is an official C.D. release date from the record company.

"At the end of last year, Buckethead became fed up with Guns' inability to complete an album or tour and stopped working with them, his manager said."

truthfully at the end of the day i'll wait and see what happens and i wont stop loving axl.
im glad hes come out with an explanation and apology about all this, but im not about to get my hopes up about seeing CD sometime this year.

well the full letter does make me feel better, though it doesn't make me feel good. i feel like i've been feeling since the tour was canceled.
so buckethead's crazy, we knew that. axl's crazy, right. taking the recording to ANOTHER level? this better be some great recording. does that, coupled with the not wanting to give too much away, mean that there's a new guitarist on the scene, and they're excited about him?
let's just hope that he's talking about an announcement in two months, and not 6 months to announce it'll be out in 6 months.

Personally I never had any expectations of Axl responding to the fans in anyway shape or form, but to come out with a victum letter...c'mon!  It's a bit cheesy...and it's a bit sad...a 42 year old man, heading up one of the best bands to hit the stage in the history of rock n roll and he's blaming one concert and hinting at the fact that an album that has been 7-10 years in the making is interrupted because of ONE person!  If he really loves GNR like he did when he was younger, and selling out places like IHOP sells pancakes, then he would view this as a challenge and not be so aptly ready to "strike a pose" and play the little braided victum...
Good Luck Axl... ;D

foolish rubbish :hihi

That's bullshit and you know it.

I try to look things fairly. Because of all the things Axl has or should I say hasn't done, you're not likely to give him a chance with anything now. Which is partly understandable.

I don't fall into the category of blind Axl followers. I'm talking about this for what it is. He's cancelled the concert well in advance and told everyone the reason.

You don't know how GNR is set up now as a band , and how this will effect their live performances. If Axl feels the band can't put in a decent performance because of all of this, then so be it. He knows what can and can't be done. I know it's shitty and it's Axl's fault things have taken so long, but this cancellation it seems was inavoidable, and he's done the right thing in light of that.

@#$%Muther

I agree with mutherfunker, he has done the right thing

its not bad news.. its not good news... its news..and thats all i wanted... at least now we know..

because this band has 3 guitarists now... it has since about 2000,  so now they are a short a man...

but we do criticize him when he doesnt say anything....

what do you want him to say??  

You know, those are just about the exact words Axl used when asked why he was so tight lipped about everything.

For all you people who are SO hard done by, and hate Axl SO much... I hear there are plenty of VR sections to be found on these forums. If you can't support whatever incarnation of GNR we have now, then don't let the cyber door hit you on the ass on your way out.

Keep in mind that this is coming from a fan who paid for tickets to TWO shows in '02 and didn't get to see either. Vancouver Riot, vegas cancelled. I did not get my flight or accomidations money back and I STILL support the band. If you support the band, you support Axl. That is the way it goes.

No its not...because thats almost exactly what has happened.  This performance  has been anticipated for months and we get, what else?  A letter of cancellation.  And its all Bucketheads fault.


I would disagree...


Oh, well then I guess theres nothing to criticize?


Well until theres an explanation on why two guitarists wont suffice (like they always have) or why a fill-in cant be found (because there is still 2 months to find one), I think criticism is in order.

the statement reads that up untill Feb bucket was in the band..then this month he changed his mind again... so id like to think that he was working with Brian Caroll untill the last possible moment...

I'm glad that Buckeathead showed his real nature of the beast. The guy turned up simply an ass..he left

Axl to clear up the mess he left behind. The manager shouting at his gigs around that he isn't going to

be at RIR4..very professional action. That's the way to go boys!  :no: It turned up that Bucket was just a

climber and wasn't involved to this "new line-up" project with his heart. He just wanted to secure his

future and record deal. Such a bitch he is..

Well said : ok:

I don't give two shits about the show- (truly sorry to those who were going and lost money)-but this train wreck does not need to be on stage again until they have their OWN album in stores.

I wonder if this is Axl's answer to the release of GH?  Probably not, but a conspiracy theory none-the-less  :D

First off, you need to take reading lessons. Axl never said Bucket was an asshole, or anything else resembling that.

Secondly, BH was never part of a band on a permanent basis, so I don't see how it could be compared to the current situation. Jamming with someone or working on a one-off album is totally different that being in a steady band. You need to work with a person for a long time to see his / her true colours.....

Clear Channel...... Slash......Steven.....Buckethead..... he s running out of excuses. For more then ten years Axl has been screwing up situation after situation and blaming who ever came in handy.

All Buckethead bashers should considder for a moment that when every situation a guy is involved in turns out wrong, chances are great that it has something to do with the guy.

Buckethead has played in tons of bands and there was never a situation like this. Then suddenly he comes across Axl and he has a reputation of being unreliable.

Axl should stop whining and twisting reality and get his act straight, all signs point out that it probably is more his fault then anyone else.

-PEACE-

Buckethead has been in numerous steady bands, some people he is still working with are his friends since he was sixteen. I guess they haven't seen his true colors either?? That's plain BS.

Really, try to find the guy who seems to fuck up every relationship he has with people. It's not Buckethead.

-PEACE-

good find!!!

What steady bands are you talking about? Really, I'd like to know. If you're talking about Praxis or anything similar, I wouldn't personnally call that a steady band.  But if there's anything I should know, please fill me in.

Mysteron said:

"he?s still in te band"
"he has a contract"
"acording to axl?s manager, the rock in rio lisbon is part of the plan..."



sorry Mysteron, but I think you will see a lot of questions after this...

what do you know about it? what "the manager" knows about it?

i just spent 795 + 100 chf (plane ticket and festival entrance). this is actually more than i earn in 2 months, meaning 2 months of *working*, not sitting around and getting money for CDs i recorded 10 years ago. plus, i fuckin have to worry about paying a rent and get some food. so , mr. rose, can you fucking imagine that you not showing up is slap in the face? i want my goddamn money back. not from the festival (as if they were to blame for being naive), and not from swiss (hell an airplane company can sell tickets to whom's asking from em right). i want my money back from mr. rose and his so-called band. and while you're at it, why not refund me for the 2*180 deutschmark = 180 eur = approx. 200 chf that i spent for the rock im park / rock am ring thing you didn't manage to go to? it wasn't your fault? it was your management? it was buckethead leaving? well not my problem. get the money from them if they're really to blame. but i'm serious, and i wonder if there's anyone joining me:

give us our fucking money back, axl

Two questions:

1.  Where is that speed_stone guy?  I wanted to ask him if this is the part where I eat my words.  :hihi:

2.  Ger, Dizzy must have mentioned this to you (if of course you are actually related to him) at your dinner last Friday.  Seems like a pretty big piece of information.  Where were these details on Saturday?

BTW...this band is so completely predictable that they have become the antithesis of rock and roll.  What a shame.

-TyRod

slipdisc has a really good point. there are alot people working with BH for so long without seeing his real face. what does that mean

slipdisc is the type of guy that will blame everything on Axl Rose... he has a big hard on for axl and no matter what happens its nobodys fault but axl roses... dont put any stock in anything that he says regarding axl rose or trying to point blame...

There is a point where you can't blame everyone outside of Axl Rose. I do put the blame on him because the band appears to be out of communication with those making the decisions. No one seems to know what is going on, what the plan is, or where they are going. Bucket obviously joined to further his career, what is wrong with that? I think that he drifted away after the delays, cancellations like any reasonable person would.

I knew he wouldnt' show up at rio 4. I knew it. Last night i posted how i was waiting for the cancellation eagerly.

thanks at least to axl for standing up like a man and making a mature statement. If they can in any way get Bucket back, and it looks like some room for negotiation, i 'd suggest they do it.

Again, more baseless Axl bashing. Axl didn't end up getting on with the old band true, but almost everyone he's worked with since have said what a great guy he is, even Buckethead.

Secondly, you know nothing of Buckethead and what he is like. Of course he has friends, everyone has friends. People act differently in different situations with different people. He had never been in this situation before. So how can you compare?

I can't get over the fact that Buckethead is the one leaving, another source on the rumour board reported his erratic behaviour, and Axl has told us all about it and people still want to attack Axl because of their other grieviances with him and can't see that that although Axl has made mistakes, Buckethead is the centre of this fuck up

@#$%Muther.

I don't see how you can blame Buckethead. After Philadelphia, we all thought the entire line up would leave after that fiasco.


bucket has always been a weird guy. I think there was a lack of communication between axl and everyone else.

Wow..so much to read.
First, I feel for all of you who invested time and money into the RIR thing.
But I don't think it's fair to criticize Axl or Bucket until the full story is discovered. Axl is a recluse and Bucket talks through a puppet. No wonder there's so many screwed up notions about this whole fiasco.
I give some props that Axl at least spoke to us....
I believe in the last month or 2, Axl was trying to find a fill-in guitarist for RIR and keep his commitment, but it must not have been possible.
And I agree with Mutherfunker. I think without the commitment to playing in Europe, and knowing Buckethead is out officially, will allow the band to finally get the new CD out and tour this fall. Foolishly Optimistic? Yes I am.

But I'm thrilled that Axl at least sounds like he cares about his band, cares about his fans and cares about the long-awaited new album, even though many of you are very disapointed in the RIR cancellation. It's just one press release, but he seemed a lot more human than he has been in a long time.

I don't blame him for leaving, but why now? And why does Axl get bashed every time no matter what?

"I think there was a lack of communication between axl and everyone else." What do you base that on? Why do people insist on blind guesses?

@#$%Muther

Buckethead cried and left the band coz he said the band wasnt doing anything or some shitty excuse..

Axl would have shown up at RIR if he had his entire band ..

Seems the only one who made sure on this case that they didnt move forward is Brian "2 face" Carroll.

and why do you only put faith in Axl's words?

brian 2 face caroll???????? :rofl:
you are a funny motherfucker

Is there a such thing as Buckethead's words ???   :hihi:

I think Axl's only got a handpuppet to fear in this accusation.

here i am. i just changed my name.
i was talking about the day when guns are actually on stage again, and when "chinese democracy" comes out. THEN you'll eat your words.

but, am i the only one here who is actually happy that we finally heard something official about the band, and that axl rose himself actually wrote his fans a letter??
sure this this whole thing is sad, but it's not the end of the world. keep faith, my fellow gunners. it will eventually pay off.

I'm going on what we have at the moment. I'm not saying Axl should have no blame for anything. He's fucked up plenty. I missed cancelled shows, I was pissed off.

The only facts we know are Buckethead has left, and Axl says that's the reason there will be no concert. It makes sense, it's simple.

However, if Buckethead (who I've always liked) comes out with something contrary to that, I will have as much belief in his version, and have to re-assess.

I'm just saying you've gotta go with what you see. Someone once said that the simplest explanation is usually the correct one. Thie simplest one is the only one we have so far.

@#$%Muther

Again, Buckethead doesn't come out with things! He's a mute.  He will not defend himself.   And no one's gonna listen to his handpuppet.

 i would listen to hErbie...but i am afraid he won't talk

Good points Funker...

Its not good news,  Its not bad news... Its news.. which is all i wanted....

Remember all week i cried and posted shit like
"Does this band still have a fucking guitarist?"

Well now we know... and we know where the band is at..

I guess its up to everyone to decide now if your still onboard with this new project or not...

Id like to hear Brian Carrolls side of this but at least there is some news.... its better than a no show 1 hour before the show starts

it is great how you keep refering to Bh as brian Caroll. i like that shit...

haha coz Buckethead was the guns n roses guitar player..

now hes just plain old greedy, self serving, self promoting, Brian Carroll..

Ill never refer to him as buckethead again... :hihi:

Its very creepy how irrational youre being as a result of all this...Very creepy. :confused:

yes, but also very funny :rofl:

its for fun... i dont really care... if u can get a smile out of my posts and get my points thats it....

I'm really happy Axl has given a letter of apology, he hasn't hiddden away or just cancelled he has given an explanation of why it was cancelled and i still have faith and look forward to an announcement in the next few months.

woah, whats this. Axl Rose blaming someone other than himself for yet again destroying the once good name of Guns n Roses? Never in the world.


cant see how anyone can be so suprised that this date has been cancelled, at least its happened well in advance.


on i side note, who will axl blame if the album, if its released, is recieved so well? maybe he'll blame the original members for leaving and letting him balls it up.

ultimately nothing is ever Axl's fault, i think we all should accept that.

adios

funny,he gave letter,because his(gunsnroses) greatest hits is forth best selling album in the world now?
and what can i do with his letter,i want his music

Its fantastic to hear from Axl.....why doesn't he write more? It would only take a few mins a week to keep us informed of what he's doing.

Seems Bhead was holding back the album, Axl seems very upbeat about the albums chances of release, must mean its finished or damn near to being so.

Axl's public apology makes him okay in my book. He tells about the situation and what's been going on. It's what I wanted, and when Axl shows he indeed CAN communicate with his fans, that makes me hang on for a few more months.

And sorry for saying, but what did we get from Buckethead?
Nothing? Not even his stupid doll opened his mouth. Not even an apology for letting us down with the Lisbon show. That's beyond unprofessional. He made thousands of new fans off his GNR ride, and then he does something like this and wont even bother to tell his own band mates, then what does that say? Really?

And by the way, this is the 2nd time GNR have cancelled shows and festivals due to Buckethead this, Buckethead that. Coincidence?

If (and I mean 'IF') BH did treat GNR with such contempt and used it as a stepping stone then I hope to god Axl DOESN'T try to get him back in the band!
Yes he's a great guitarist but let's face it...HE'S GOT A FUCKING NERVE!

Jesus, He should be fucking amazed that a band with a history like theirs who ask him to join! I know most of you guys would!

Axl, if you read this - The tours matter not to the fans at this point...GIVE US CHINESE DEMOCRACY. Sort the band/tour out after

I for one am happy as hell to get some news from Axl.
I don't have anything invested in GNR, and could never be bothered to argue about the whole Buckethead scenario the way some people are... I'm just glad he wrote the letter and that there's a chance of CD coming out this year : ok:

I agree with ya Cube.  We got a confirmation that he is out, and we got it from the man himself.  We haven't heard from BH, and probably won't either.

BH is a great guitarist, but given what I know of him (which is admittedly little) he doesn't seem to be a "team" player.  He seems to be just a little bit too independant to be part of a band for too long a time.  And whoever mentioned the paparazzi is right too....they would go nuts to get a pic of the guy with no mask.  

After thinking about this (and about 3 cups of coffee ;) ) I think that getting this update is a very very cool thing.  He's said SOMETHING.  Instead of letting it go like Philly, he told us what was happening. And, as someone else has said too, sooner then 1 hr before showtime.

ok, so it's not good news.....but dammit it's NEWS!

I was way more negative after Philly when Axl never said anything and GNR just vanished from the face of the earth.

In other words..Im more optimistic now than before, coz it shows Axl got intentions to go thru with this.

Read the letter and it states that Bucket's parts will not be gone.
According to Axl, Bucket wants to promote himself thru Chinese Democracy without being in the band.

And come on..just how much did he do during shows rather than stand there and play insane solos once and awhile?

Robin did most of the work people, and he's been with Axl for years. Give him credit and your support and fuck the guy with the puppet.

agreed.

Axl has owned respect with what he's done right now.

 : ok: : ok: : ok: : ok: : ok: : ok: : ok: : ok: : ok:

( dunno if big boy reads this, but i'm damn proud he did it).. :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:

Don't care what anybody else thinks.

how the fuck can u people blame axl?

u people act like axl fired buckethead,the man quit, the man used his position in gnr to further his own career and ive been saying it for 6 months, i got a post somewhere that says that, i say he and tommy cause they do those solo shows and solo records

with the band in disarray over bucket quitting they cant rehearse, they cant play certain songs so axl had to cancel it

but at least axl wrote us a letter i think that is awesome! which shows when there is something to report axl will respond

so everyone needs to get the fuck off axl on this one, he admitted his fuck ups in that letter and i dont blame axl for this one

Im more grateful than proud.

Im sure we would get a whole different story from Bucket, but whatever, he wont open his mouth either way.

If he does it will be something like "that ride is unavailable due to blah blah blah".

"Come back to Bucketheadland soon".

Yadadadada..

I'm thrilled that Axl finally got around to writing something.  I can't complain about that.

I do find it hard to accept that Bucket has been responsible for all these delays, and not Axl, but then again it wouldn't be the first time Axl has shifted blame ... can't really expect anything different now, can we?

But, at least, he got managed to update his fans, even if it must be taken with a grain of salt.

Oh, BTW, I don't like what this means for the future of the band, and I don't think we're seeing an album any time soon:

New GNR was DOA.

Wasn't there a rumor a while ago that they had to turn down Bucket's amps cuz he would just doodle away instead of playing what he was supposted to play?  

My understanding is that he is a person that can't really do the same thing over and over.  He's really like an artist, and an artist would get awful bored painting the same painting every night.

I dunno, I think this is a good thing in the long run.  

Indeed....

I hope Bucket's manager responds to Axl's diatribe.  He made it clear in the MTV news report (which did not come from blabbermouth, duh) that BH was fed up with the band's inability to tour or release CD.

I cant believe I'm actually defending a guy with a chicken bucket on his head - what is this world coming to...

Axl obviously has a lot of ground to make up with some people in terms of popularity  :confused:

I think there's a lot of sincerity and hopefully truth and honesty in that letter.  Axl sounds like a wounded man who wants to come back and show what he's made of.  He sounds almost as sick as one or two of us (but probably not quite!).

As for Bucket, it's left a bitter taste in my mouth.  I was going to buy his upcoming albums but now I don't know if I will  :-\

Sorry about thr term, i don't sleep much lately and my speach pattern's a little upside down too.

" Grateful" is more like it. : ok:

I always feel better when he reassures us!!!!! : ok:


I feel better today than I have in a long time!


(about GNR that is) the rest of my life is great too, but at least we know he is still focusing on GNR, for awhile there I was beggining to wonder?  I think with every punch AXL just comes back more determined and focused.  Not that this will be a fast recovery but their will be new material before he is finished!!!!
I believe!!!!! he is still climbing the uphill marathon and is about to fly down the other side of the hill!!! :beer:

Ok...now explain something to me...

If Axl wants to play Rock in Rio so bad, why the hell doesnt he call mr GILBY FUCKING CLARKE, and ask him to fill in for the show????

Gilby already knows everything up through TSI, and I'm sure it wouldnt take him long to learn Oh My God, Madagascar, CD, and The Blues.  He's a professional afterall.

Needless to say, I cant decide if I want to be hopefull about this-just because Axl finally spoke...or if I see it as a big boiling pot of bullshit soup.

Anyone else agree that this 'letter to the fans' thing would have been better served posted on the GNR official site?

I disagree, since the fans know that the official site wont be updated until the year 4273, when Chinese Democracy "MIGHT DEFINATELY BE OUT THIS YEAR".

It should be no surprise that yet again Axl's demise is somebody else's fault.  The man accepts no responsibility for anything.

It was Adler's fault....then Izzy's fault.....then Slash's fault.....now Bucket's fault.

The common denominator is Axl.  I take it the Philly no-show was Bucket's fault too.  It's quite possible after Philly that Bucket had had enough.  Don't balme him.

What surprises me is that there is STILL recording to do.  All this time and he can't come up with 12 songs.

Slash & Co. by TKO.....so game over.

i can't believe all of you that are so ready to accept this message from axl as some sort of reassurance that he "cares" for you.....axl knows that this latest mishap will just make the chances of a comeback even less likely, the press probably won't report much of this because it is just another axl of axl not being able to get it together..why did BH leave?  we don't know but probably because he was sick of waiting around for ever and i don't necessarily believe everything axl says, he has dumped more shit on slash over the years and slash has always been a gentleman about it.  also, the "news" about a release date?  come on, he just wants to make it sound as if he has something going on, i don't think that he does, he will spend the rest of the year re-recording BH's parts and by that time at least one more member will leave...do you think brain will stay with he friend being shit on by axl..don't think so, axl you really are a joke, i will buy your album once geffen releases it on your own and i will probably think how great it would have been to hear the songs live,

ps  fuck off, you have canceled 3 shows i tried to attend  

what the hell would THAT  matter?!
you people are unbelieveable.
first you nag for a year that axl hasn't said shit, then you complain when he finally gives us a letter, a full-length explaination! get a fucking grip. stop whining so much, you little cry-babies make my ears go sore.

Excuse me you missed the fucking point asshole. I never critisised Axl for writing a letter. Fucking read before you post.
what i said was that this would have been a gesture better served on the GNR site. Change the fucking record asswipe

yes, asswipe, i read your post. and no, asshole, i still don't think it would matter. you obviously have an obsession with asses, maybe you should try to get some.

Nearly bed timelittle boy. You don't wanna be late for school in the morning do you

Keep it up youtwo and I'll get to ban people today!  :P

Go read the fucking rules. Study them closely.



/jarmo

oh my god.

You guys are funny getting all upset over god almighty Axl breaking his silence with a "why this all isn't my fault too little too late" letter.

Well shit now we all know that it is Bucket's fault why there hasn't been a new material record in 13 years now.  

Try making your point without the "assholes" & "asswipes" (hehe that one is funny.....does that mean that you are calling the intended recipient a "piece of toilet paper")

Slash & co. got together last year and WOW.....a release date for new material.  

well, i was doing fine until he dragged me down to his ridicilous level, even though i was just being sarcastic.
"the oh my god" was not for you, jarmo, it was me expressing shock and disbelief that a grown man really can't do better than "bedtime, little boy". fucking hilarious. not to mention ridicilous. i'm out

Get over it....move on with your life

the statment is sad. I think axl knows that the tide of public opinion is rising against him.

Too little, too late.

Fuck you, Buckethead.

Fuck you, Axl.

When's the reunion tour?

one last pathetic attempt to make me look bad?
fine, i'll let you have that one. little boy.
i had moved on before you posted that bullshit. now shut up.

By looking at the Greatest Hits sales, I'd say (and Im surprised) that it's not too late.

Reunion?

Why do people keep talking about this in times like these?

That's just plain scary.

Can any of you say......................


SCAPEGOAT !

lmao! its all bucket heads fault now, lol !

next it will be the fans fault for having bootlegs !

after that it will be something like a law suit from geffen against the axl rose band for not having any finished material in 20 years of funding CD.

Next day axl found in hotel room cobain style.

End of reunion hopes.
End of story.
They release all of axls unfinished songs on an " axl rose compilation " 5 years later, and you all wonder what planet axl was on for the last 20 years because its all crap.

Nice one axl ! : ok:

Guns N' Roses Bow Out Of Rock In Rio - Lisbon; Axl Blames Buckethead
03.30.2004 1:05 PM EST  
 
 
Much to the surprise of, well, no one, Guns N' Roses have nixed their May 30 appearance at Rock in Rio - Lisbon.   In an official statement, singer Axl Rose blamed the cancellation on former guitarist Buckethead, who quit the band earlier this year (see "Buckethead's Hand Puppet Says Goodbye To Guns N' Roses").

"The band has been put in an untenable position by guitarist Buckethead and his untimely departure," Rose said. "I apologize to the fans who planned to see us at Rock in Rio - Lisbon. The festival and its tradition mean a lot to me personally and I sincerely do not enjoy being robbed by one of our own of the opportunity to be the first artist to play it for the third time."

Rose, who failed to show up at two of the band's gigs last year, forcing the cancellation of the remainder of the tour (see "It's Extra Official: Promoter Says GN'R Tour Totally Off"), called Buckethead unreliable, and claimed he was largely responsible for the band's inability to proceed with its decade-in-the-making album, Chinese Democracy.

"During his tenure with the band, Buckethead has been inconsistent and erratic in both his behavior and commitment ? despite being under contract ? creating uncertainty and confusion and making it virtually impossible to move forward with recording, rehearsals and live plans with confidence," Rose said. "His transient lifestyle has made it impossible for even his closest friends to have nearly any form of communication with him whatsoever."

Buckethead quit Guns N' Roses several times during his four years with the group, but he repeatedly returned. It got to the point, claims Rose, where the band wasn't even entirely sure when the puppet-toting guitarist was in and when he was out.

"In February, we got word from [drummer] Brain that Bucket had called him and said he was back in Guns," Rose said. "According to Bucket, he had been gone, but had turned himself around and was really excited to do Rio - Lisbon and a European tour. Somewhere in the following month, things changed once again."

Not only was Buckethead flaky, Rose claims, he was also underhanded ? at least, that's what other people told him. "According to those who have actually spoken with Buckethead, it appears his plans were to secure a recording contract with Sanctuary Records, which I encouraged my management to make available to him," Rose began. "[Then he was going to] quit GN'R and use his involvement in the upcoming Guns release to immediately promote his individual efforts."

Despite the harsh tone of his statement, Rose seems to have left the door open for Buckethead to again return to the GN'R fold. "We greatly appreciate Bucket's contributions and remain open to discussions, as there are obviously several issues to resolve."

Even if Buckethead's gone for good, Rose insists the guitarist's decision to bolt has sparked a creative burst from the band, and added that a release date for Chinese Democracy will be announced "within the next few months."

"Rather than dwelling on the negative, Guns will be moving forward and surprisingly (without giving away any details), this unfortunate set of circumstances may have given us the opportunity to take our recording that one extra step further," Rose said.

Neither Buckethead nor his hand puppet were available for comment at press time.

For more on Buckethead, check out "Beneath The Bucket, Behind The Mask: Kurt Loder Meets GN'R's Buckethead."



?Jon Wiederhorn

 
MTV.com



/jarmo

I'm only suprised that he wrote a letter.

I'm not suprised that he is blaming BH and not suprised that he isn't showing.

Don't get all mad at BH. If he did break contract he did so for a reason. I'd assume because Axl has been playing grabass and not releasing CD.

Besides there are two sides to the story and then there is the truth. And we'll probably never know any of them anyway.

i wonder how some of you would react if that was, say, your brother doing this. first you beg him for years to come on a holiday with you, you haven't seen each other in years, and blah. you agree on a date, you arrange hotel, plane, save money, take some days off, make plans, and the very moment you have paid all your credit card bills he says "dude, my wife's broke a leg so no one could take the garbage out while i was gone, sorry, i won't come".

hey might be all true, might be that it's not his fault the stupid wife fell down the stairs - but maybe he made a promise. in case of axl, he even seems to have a contract. and isn't he the guy who likes to rely on that shit? fuck the "we've been 15 guitarists for half a year now, now we're missing one so we won't come". fuck, axl could stand there by himself singing "my bonnie is over the ocean" and have someone's grandma dancing hare krishna around him, people would love it.

axl, no matter who's been letting whom down, that's life (and god knows your fans have been getting used to *that* aspect of it). get your shit together - "if you got a job to do, you got to do it well - gotta give velvet revolver hell".

A few weeks ago I said something like "I dont think Bucket himself knows if he's in or out of GNR", or something along those lines. It's there..go check it.

I hate being so right..

 :hihi: :rofl:

Last night I made a post stating how the band never handles anything professionally, but this time they proved me wrong and handled it the proper way so Axl does deserve credit for at least that much. I'm not going to get in a debate about the rest but as usual I agree with Booker Floyd.

If you were SERIOUS about performing..the show would still go one. No matter what. You'd go with two guys, or go with a sub. Don't tell me that Axl couldn't conjure up somebody for that show. He could in a NY minute, for damn sure.

He could have said "OK BH is gone for now and we are going to go out there and rock like we've never rocked before. With or without him". He could have given it his all, minus BH, and still have been brilliant.

But nope. He wrote a letter and said that he could not do it because BH was the bad guy and left him hanging. He's an excuse maker, straight up.

I also think he wrote the letter because he didn't want to burn the RIR bridge. It's something he actually gave a shit about. So he had to keep in good graces with them.

I can't believe you wrote a post to tell everybody that you were right.  :P :hihi:

True, but we don't know everything. Maybe Axl felt Buckethead was a big part of the band and not replaced just like that? Maybe he didn't want to play in the first place because the record isn't out? Who knows?


/jarmo

oh dear...at least axl himself says cd is on its way! :P

I'm trying to figure out why Axl had responded to this situation with a statement. since the tour there has been nothing.

Is it because he feels partly responsible?
Unlike in Philly he felt it was clear channel?
I'm just guessing, I just think it is weird that he never speaks but he has here.

Don't get me wrong, ThankGod he filled us in.  But, I think he feels"Fuck you Bucket, you are screwing me around, and don't think you are taking my fucking fans along for YOUR ride with sanctuary by dissing me about how long CD had taken!"

So I think he may wanr us to know his side for this reason, because he knows how much we all accepted him and what a great idea Bucket and his personna were to Guns.

I think there are always two sides but I'm sorry my loyalties are with AXL on this one

After all GNR is and always will be number fucking #1 in my book, even if I have to keep playing the same old CD's year after year when i am 45. : ok:

I'm glad Axl has chosen to share this with us.  He's definitley helped me understand him more.   Communication's good so I'm glad ;)

Thank you Axl.  

yes, i agree. :) people should appriciate that he wrote his fans a letter, instead of bashing him when he finally speaks.

Maybe because in this instance, Axl had Buckethead's departure as a scapegoat and excuse?  Not saying it's not a legitimate excuse on THIS particular occasion, but you never got an apology from him for the others because Axl would never communicate if it meant having to place the blame squarely upon himself...
 

Axl's reasoning seems sound. To the naysayers: is it really feasible to play live dates and support an album release with only two guitarists, neither of whom is as technically skilled as Buckethead, given that Buckethead has laid down tracks for the album? I seriously think that GN'R has not been an active concern since 1993 or 1996 or whatever. Things really only started to move up a gear in 1999. Moreover, the current incarnation of GN'R (and it is a band, a cohesive group of players with a core made up of Axl, Finck, Dizzy and Stinson) only started writing and rehearsing a few years ago (since the Las Vegas shows). Since then, each delay can be explained by the lineup changes - since you're not going to want to put out an album where tracks have been laid down by a bandmember who's departed the band. Buckethead and Brain arrive - therefore the band has to rehearse with them, work out what their strengths are and apply them to the album. Then the tracks have to be recorded. Then Huge leaves and Fortus turns up, and they have to go through the process again - because each member brings unique skills and tone to the album, that can't be easily replicated.

The way Axl explains it, it seems clear that Buckethead's position as regards the band has been somewhat uncertain, and, indeed, this may be the reason behind the delays. We've got to brace ourselves for another round of delays, since Bucket's departure means that the band needs to either find a new guitarist of comparable skills and re-record and rehearse with him, or rethink their musical direction to take account of a 2-guitarist structure - which isn't simply a case of removing all Buckethead's parts from the album... Oh, and there's the strong possibility that Brain might depart, meaning they have to get a drummer too.

In any case, the delay might actually do them good. Velvet Revolver look set to capitalise on the release of the GN'R greatest hits album (being as how they have the iconic presence of Slash, which many people associate with GN'R). Axl's GN'R could do without the confusion created by Velvet Revolver's release following hot on the heels of the GH album, so a breathing space might actually do them good.

The most pressing concern at the moment, though, is who the hell do you get to replace Bucket (and Brain?). After this little experience, Axl's sure to want someone who can demonstrate absolute commitment to the band, and the likely candidates such as Zakk Wylde and Dave Navarro are off doing their own thing at the moment...

SG

I think it is awesome that there is some life back in the communication world of GNR.  I hold buckethead responsible but also Axl too.  He knew what he was getting involved with buckethead, maybe not to this extent but he knew that he is not a typical person.  Axl cannot blame everything on one person, sure bucket screwed up and caused some hell but he is responsible too.  Which he pointed out in the letter.  I'm actually pretty excited now, after reading the letter.  So my guess is that in June or July we will here something from him again saying there are only a couple more things left to do to finish the album up and it should be out by next christmas.  Which will make me go  :rofl: :rofl:

i have always had this little feeling that bucket and possibly brain were not in it for the long haul

Since i read an interview with les claypool, there was so much sarcasim in his vioce.

There should be no problem replacing him, the extra work on the CD is the big problem I think!

Legalities!!!!!

Yes, absolutely...

So what are you implying?  The they can never perform those songs unless Buckethead returns?

And this is all under the unlikely pretense that they were even going to play many Chinese Democracy tracks.


Well Dave is with Janes, Zakk with Ozzy...and I doubt that either want to be bothered with all of this bullshit, especially considering both were previously involved with Axl and bailed.

I would like to see Gilby Clarke or Jerry Cantrell (although I heard Jerry is getting back with the Alice In Chains guys).  More than that, Id to see two guitar-players, preferably without Finck.

And all that other stuff you wrote, about people leaving and having their parts rerecorded - Im sure if Axl wanted to, he could keep their parts.  All of that rerecording would be unnecessary.  Obviously everything the new band has done has been on the back of everything that the old band created, so I dont think theres a problem with playing others material.  I just think it would be an incredible waste of time and energy to continually scrap music because band member after band member keeps walking out.

I agree summer sounds like the time.

I think we are all focusing on Axl's age and there is a little panic but presuming he has no kids, he probably still thinks he is 28.

I find most of my friends that are 30 something that have no kids or 40 something really don't have something to gage their time or age or maturity yet. Therefore they still perseive themselves as 20 something.

Whereas the kids remind you everyday how much time has passed and how much we are changing as adults.

After rambling, I don't think he feels this tremendous presure that we think he must feel about his age!!!
If that makes any sense I'm not sure? :confused:

Fuck you dude. You act like this new lineup is going to just be about what the old members did.

Being that you and many others fail to realize this ill mention it again...

Axl wants gnr to return as a band. That band finally evolved around 99/00. The current lineup evolved and made its own material. Now bucket left. Gnr has to figure out how they want to go about continuing with a pivotal member of the band gone.

Please stop with the what is and isnt necessary stuff. You have no clue what is or isnt necessary for this band. If theres 3 guitarists then theres a reason for it. I hate to break it to ya but if slash and duff stayed theres was a good chance there was gonna be another guitarist in the band too. So that argument is useless....

Other than buckehead and josh freese who else left this band?

navarro,sunshine, and wylde were all session players.Wylde was brought in when slash was here. They were here to help form a new direction when the old left. They were never in gnr. They could have been if the material had evolved but never were in.

Josh Freese left because he KNEW THAT THIS PROJECT WAS GOING TO BE A LONG PROCESS AND DIDNT WANT TO BE A PART OF IT. He did the band a favor by leaving honorably. Hes all about the action and he knew that gnr would be mia for a long time so he got out before anything began. And he left on good terms.

And we all know what happened with bucket.

Stop making it seem like theres a revolving door. For someone who visits these boards for years now should know that what the media says isnt true. The media thinks that all the muscicians brought in in the beginning stages were the band when that is not the case. They were brought in to help form a new direction of gnr. If something evolved after that then fine, but it never did so as a result they were never in the band. Gnr began to have a band around 98/99. Now one of its pivotal members has departed.

my favorite part is the "Buckethead has been inconsistent and erratic in both his behavior and commitment "

I get the feeling that there is a possibility for buckets return. And i like the little glimpse of hope at the end. rock on axl

the fact that they won't play lisbon because bucket isnt there probably means they would've played new music. He could've easily gotten a guitarist on the short term to just cover slash's solos if it was only the 2002 setlist, but the fact that bucket was essential to the show says we were gonna get new stuff.

Our leader speaks  ;)

I agree, what do we really know, a big fat ZIP,nothing. As per usual, we will have to wait and see.

Does anyone else find it interesting that Axl never mentions "Chinese Democracy" in this letter? He talks about "our recording" and everybody that's mentioning this assumes he's talking about Chinese Democracy...but I think he would mention it directly if that was what he was referring to. To me, this means one of two possible things: #1, the name of the album is changed and Axl will pretend the tour never happened, Buckethead was never in, and some songs will need to be re-worked, or #2, they really are about to release three albums, but now they will be part of the same package. Why else wouldn't Geffen countersue after all that money they put into this project? It sounded to me like they were jusy shrugging the Greatest Hits lawsuit off, saying "We gave him $13.5 million, he should shut up and be happy." They obviously have faith in this material. I remember someone coming on here before and saying he knew someone backstage or something and saying he knew the reason Philly happened and we would all be kind of upset but it wasn't what we thought...could it have been Buckethead that really caused the whole thing?

Honestly, If anyone else wants to leave, DO IT NOW.  Get it overwith, fix the cd, rehearse the songs, then rock the world.

Band members with side projects and solo albums SUCK.  Fucking commit already.  Or leave.

yep, I felt this one coming....
well I think we are seeing one of the las and long chapter of a book called "The Begining of The End"(written by W.Axl Rose)
I?m so angry i could just start to cry :crying:

Mr. W. Axl. Rose wrote us a letter of apology. Apologies are a good thing. He's been my "messias" since I was 13 I respect him. That doesn't mean I trusted him enough to buy a ticket to RIR 4  :hihi:

I personally think this statement, and some of the far from complementary comments about BH within (I refer to the 'nice guy!' paragraph) pretty much closes the door on any chance of reconciliation.

On the other hand, I'm glad all of this has been officially confirmed, and Axl is communicating with the outside world (at tleast it shows he is still alive, as is Guns N' roses in some form). I was expecting RIR 4 to roll around with no further word from the band, and another unexplained no show.

This kills those negotiations for 'Rock am Ring' dead too, doesn't it?

Is izzy good enough for what GNR need now ? :-[ :-\

Good enough to replace bucket? Not even close

rememeber a while ago someone said that buckethead was one of the reasons for the 2002 north american tour problems, said that bucket was creating problems. i still get excited reading axls updates, this one not as much as previous reports but i have some optimism that we may hear from him soon with some form of announcement..........hmnnn,  six months of silence mght happen though :crying:

Thanks..Still think : what a shame he isn't..it was great to see them two together.

All I have to say is....Thank You Axl   : ok:

When Axl says..

this unfortunate set of circumstances may have given us the opportunity to take our recording that one extra step further

That tells me.. it aint finished yet and it'll be altered and worked on now Bucket has gone.. meaning no album for a lonnnggg time  ???  :(

Axl's an absolte genious..no matter when the album comes out were gonna get another appetite album(sales wise)..When Axl says..

this unfortunate set of circumstances may have given us the opportunity to take our recording that one extra step further

i think he means that hes got a hell of an album in his hands..and that maybe buckethead wasnt cutting the cake..and its gonna sound better ..jsut a thaught

and besides remember the interview right after the VMA performance kurt loder said"so is the album gonna come out are we gonna see it soon"..Axl Replied"You'll see it, i dont know if soon's the word.....

one hand this sucks cause i wanted to see them in lisbon, thankfully i hadnt acted on this yet.  but everytime GNR cancel a show it pisses me off cause i want to see them live so bad cause i was to you in the 90's for the illusions tour and not to mention the touring in the 80s.  

on the other hand axl has said something which in itself is good all though it sucks that it comes because of this, but still at least he said something to bad he doesnt say stuff more often like i dont know maybe update the website and he and other band memmbers could post a few sentences every once i a while to keep us updated as to the going ons.

As for bucket, i think he is a good guitar player and i think he was the only one who could come close to replaceing slash, i say close cause slash is a fuckin guitar god, and who knows axl seems open to bringing bucket back so we will see what happens hopefuly things turn out fine all though guns doesnt inspire much confidence as of late, yet despite the darkness i still hold out for a glimmer of light from the gnr world.  so i will keep an eye out to see if axl does do something and follows up on his statements and actually gives a release date in a few months.

Axl, i want to believe, give us CD


peace :peace:

I think it was really sweet of him to say something to everyone. :love:

This statement really kills me.  

Didn't you just say all the delays were Buckets fault and he was in this only to promote his solo career ?

Why would you want him back ?

And for the people saying he could have done RIR with 2 guitarists, i think you're missing the point.  It's not the one show thats important, it's the future of the album.  Axl is telling you his attention is not on touring or one show but rather on filling the void (hopefully not bringing the overhyped misfit back)and getting CD released so the band (whatever it ends up being) can tour without looking for a replacement on a nightly basis.

Also, I'd like to throw a big "fuck you" out to all the people who bashed the record company for releasing GH's.  Do you see their point yet ?

 : ok: to geffen/sanctuary/universal or whoever released the album

I dont think a "fuck you" is really necessary just because people had a difference of opinion  : ok:

At first I thought.. 2 months to go till RIR4.. fans have splashed out their money on tickets and flights.. get out there and play anyway!!! Do a set for the people that spent their savings on you!

But I guess I can see Axls point, he wants to get out there on stage with the new songs, the way they will be played, with the line up.. and as a lot of us have been saying.. we dont want just another 2002 style set/show.. we want something new thats going somewhere..

Either way its fucked up!

Notice how in the original MTV Bucket out GNR article.. the first paragraph or so was about how his manager said he is out.. then the rest of the article leads to and is all about his solo stuff.. obviously well worked by Buckethead management there and proving that even after his departure he was using the name for his solo stuff

I thought about this also.  Even at the time when the statement came out it seemed really unprofessional for his manager to a)make this statement to MTV while his client was still under contract to GN'R and b)use it as an opportunity to promote upcoming BH shows in virtually the very next breath... Not to mention what Laswell said to the GN'R fans how the GN'R section was unceremoniously dumped from BH's website.

I really took to heart how Axl says they did everything they could to accommodate him...  to a fault even.  As far as being open to disucssions... Axl does relate the part about BH using the band to further his own career as hearsay... Perhaps he is hoping that BH will reach out to refute that?

Bottom line regarding this letter.
Thank you Axl for sharing with us.
Management could have just put out a factual statement to just announce about the band not playing RIR-Lisbon confirming Buckethead's departure...    But Axl personally acknowledged the fans and made not only an explanation regarding circumstances but also offered his apologies.

Whoever doesn't appreciate that is just being ignorant.

No one believed me when I said that Guns would not play at RIR this year,so I will just say,I told you so!! ;D

Wow... what an exciting day it has been for me, as well as everyone else who posts around here, I imagine :)

When I came home from work, I came home to check my email, only to read the following headlines, thanks to Perfect Gentleman's mailing list...

"Rio Cancelled"

followed by

"Axl Speaks"

Of course, after the initial shock of it all, I had to read "Axl Speaks" first.  And you know, I could go on and on, and repeat whatever has been said on this board 100x over... I support Guns n' Roses and Axl Rose 100% percent.  It was great hearing from Axl, and a few of our questions / board rumours were certainly cleared up.

In any case, bits of the press release were posted on the yahoo.com music section... and here are some comments from random people... I haven't read through them all, but the headings appear rather harsh.  

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=769&ncid=689&e=12&u=/nm/20040330/music_nm/music_guns_dc

And then scroll to the bottom of the page and click on the following in that little blue box ::

Post/Read Msgs

I don't think Axl's saying he wants BH back.  It sounds to me that BH has not actually contacted Axl (and maybe not even Sanctuary), and there are "issues" that need to be worked out if he's leaving.  Of course, I could be misreading it, but that's certainly the impression I got.

Found this from Tommy's Bio/Press page.

Bass player of the new Guns N Roses, is taking it to the people this summer with an upcoming solo tour, which will include dates in the U.K and the U.S.

On break from Guns N Roses until September.

this probably has been noticed earlyer... But could September be the month when things start to happen, release of CD, tour...

That was September 2003

Wait, and you believe this because Axl said so?  Come on!  When has Axl proven to be a reliable source on ANYTHING?

Don't you think it's a bit more likely that CD's release was nowhere near in sight and Buckethead got fed up and quit?  Because all evidence points to this.  

Chinese Democracy is not coming out anytime soon.  It wasn't before Buckethead left and it isn't now.  Why do people still believe it is?  Axl has had this group together for nearly 5 years and has produced zilch.  Nothing.  

3 years from now, when Axl is supposedly still putting the finishing touches on CD, will you blame the next guitarist for leaving and causing CD to be delayed??


Newsflash, the band isn't in disarray over Bucket quitting.  They are in dissaray over Axl's inability to produce a damn thing!  A single song!  A completed tour!  Anything!


If Axl told you the sky was green, would you believe that too?  Would you wait years and years for the sky to turn green?  Would you blame anything possible, aside from Axl, for the sky NOT turning green?

I would take Izzy fucking Stradlin in the band over Brian Carroll any fucking day!!!! omg!!!!

Izzy Stradlin is a fucking AMAZING song writer and guitar player... he seems to make those around him ALOT better...

Uh, it is.  The "new lineup" hasn't released any material.  95% of their setlist at concerts is old material.  So far, the new band is almost entirely about what the old members did.


Actually, we don't.
 

Until they release something this new band IS all about the old lineup.  Out with the old, in with the new.  Maybe Axl should have changed the name so he didn't have to put up with this mess.  But just remember Axl's famous quote:

"Yeah we'll be around, I'm not working on all this to keep it buried"
Axl Rose, 11/09/99

That qoute is far from the truth.  The material has been buried since.

I was one of "those" people and "this individual" was my favorite new band member.  I whole-heartedly accepted and supported who/what he professed to be.  I thought he was a perfect fit in Guns N' Roses.  I am totally shocked by this turn of events.  I never saw it coming.  When the rumors first surfaced, I thought it was either just another bullshit internet rumor or a publicity stunt to get people to buy tickets to Dizzy's and the other's solo tours or that (God forbid) serious health problems were the cause of him leaving the band.Remaining "open to 'discussions'" just shows me that Axl is a way better person than me.  If it were me, I would eliminate/replace his part on the album and wherever he had "Gone" before he might as well go back to ... because he would just no longer exist to me (but I wouldn't seek any kind of revenge, either).

To me, the saddest part of this letter is that Axl feels he "may have done Guns a disservice" by them affording "every accommodation" to this person.   It's a sad world we live in that people feel they have to apologize for showing kindness and consideration to another human being.      

I think the disservice to guns that he's talking about is that he tried hard to accomodate Buckethead, "his solo album works, quirks and what not" while bucket was not really set in guns in his mind. He never cared that much for it, and that sucks to a guy, who remember, lives and bleeds gnr, whatever that means to axl-but he believes this.

That's what has always bothered me- these guys do not seem to feel that way about the music, the name, etc.

Yes! There is an important element to making music called CHEMISTRY, people. This is what GNR once had.

When diod they cancel that damn show?

I'm off a few days and now this. Damn it. I haven't had a good day and now I read this.

I wish Axl would just come out and say " Listen, to all of you devoted and new listeners I quit, can't or just won't do it anymore." Damn this shit. The disappointment of one more F*#^^%*#&!(#$(&$%(#(&!@()$(%*^%)(($&# Blow off. I wich I didn't love the sound of his voice. I'd just give up on the whole thing.

I just wondering Mysteron did not know about this letter and cancellation...
And he hope Rock Am Ring rumour is true...

right now Im seriously pissed because finnish tv channel TV2 is showing the Rock in Rio 2004 and its a very rare thing that I get to see Gnr on tv

yeah i know it sucks i was prepaired to fly to lisbon to see gnr

Yeah, even the Hungarian music channel had this show... And in the promo clip they showed Axl and they said that even Guns N' Roses had played on this gig. Stupid fucks.

Ahaha... and I thought that this was a recent / brand new apology :P :)

Same here, bumping old threads for no reason sucks.

This is a really old thread and there was no need for a bump to the top.

I'm locking it...