Here Today... Gone To Hell!

The only solution to save Guns n' Roses is... TO REFORM THE BAND BEFORE CONTABAND IS RELEASED.
Either Axl AND The former members (Duff, Slash...) decide to TALK or Guns n' Roses will die in the next 2-3 months.

Axl, take your responsability. It's a run against time...

nah man it's over........there's no where to go anymore.  BH was the greatest thing about the new GNR.  I'm sorry but you have to face the facts.  GNR is officially over now. There's no way to rebound successfully from this.

Because one member is rumored to have left and the fact that there's a lawsuit doesn't mean this is the end of GNR. Wait for something tangible before you start talking about reuniting the old band.

You're right. Axl screwed the whole thing. The only thing he can do is release solo albums.

Uh hello maybe you should just stop dreaming and face the fact.  After the past years of all the bullshit happening this is the most devastating blow to GNR.  I mean this band was on point and performing well but now it's all back to the drawing board.  Do you think Brain is gonna stay now?  hell no.  It's over unless somehow axl goes crawling back to the original guys.  There's no way in hell to rebuild this catastrophe again?  Are you willing to wait another 8 years for the new new band to get their shit together?  It's now or never to reunite or Axl's done.

Who fucking gives a shit? ???



Axl should just stop smoking so much CRACK and release the fucking album.



Release it as a solo effort Axl, you fucking dumbass CRACKHEAD.

I'm just saying, don't bite so deep into all the rumors. The fact is, you don't know who is in or who is out (if anyone), so don't jump to conclusions.

Axl can save GN'R as soon as he wants to. If BH is gone, that sucks because it's a set back but it doesn't mean it's over unless Axl gives up completely.

this is a run against time...AXL TAKE YOUR PHONE!

Hmmm...one guitarist out of three has left. That still leaves two guitarists. I'm sure Finck and Fortus can handle the parts.

I really like Buckethead, but he was more about noodling and shredding, rather than the blusier styles that Finck and Fortus play, which is what suits GN'R better anyway.

Buckethead was too freakish to me anyway, even though I liked him, but it didnt suit GN'R.
I'd like to see them continue without him, but in the ever elusive world of Axl Rose, who knows what will happen???

This does look bad...Axl needs to get hold of members of old GNR if he wants to recover from this - its got to the point where even i am beginning to view whats going on as a fucking joke......

Though on the positive side - Axl has 10 years worth of material, Chinese Democracy only needs vocals to be released, Buckethead's role is finished.

Of course, Finck and Fortus could definitely bear the burden.

Okay but here's what I'm saying.  And this is no fucking conspiracy theory or anything but look at it this way.  Don't you think that if CD was gonna be released this year followed by a comeback tour and round 2 or whatever that BH woulda been willing to stick by this project.  I seriously think that Axl still doesn't have CD complete yet and is still lost in his own little fucking world.  I mean to be in a band for four years and then leave is a good sign to me that the ball wasn't even about to begin rolling anytime soon.  Who knows.  And by the way to think Finck can hold the ropes is a sad thing to imagine.

If we go with the "Axl = GNR" approach, then Bucket leaving (or staying) doesnt matter one bit.

But some people like to think of a band as a unit, a brotherhood.  It hurts when a member leaves, it takes something away.

If Axl treats this band like a business (having people on contract), then replacements can come and go without any emotional attachment.

Very true....but lets face it they ain't word class guitarits, competant yes, but hardly Slash, Buckethead, Perry, Wylde quality...and GNR needs that quality guitarist

Finck as GNR guitar dynamo.....man its horrible to think of....i don't know whats worse..Bucketheads left or that Finck's still there....

To those resting easy on the grounds that losing one of three guitarists isn't the end of the world, I agree. However, it isn't simply the departure of the most talanted of the three that makes this a pretty clear indication that we've heard the last from Guns n' Roses. It's the fact that he left, by all indications, because the band isn't going anywhere. Any rumors connected with Buckethead discontent started and ended with the fact that the band never plays live and never releases new music. It reasonably follows that if the band was soon going to play live and/or publish new music that Buckethead's gripes would end and he would stay with the band. Ergo, Buckethead leaving the band serves as a pretty obvious clue that all the other obvious clues have been worthwhile and pointing to the same conclusion: this band is dead.

I'll say now what I said the night of the Phili riot: We won't see Axl Rose, Guns n' Roses or, most importantly, any new music, until Axl is dead. I hope that Crowebar is right, that Axl is sending himself to an early grave with mountains of crack. That way, with him and his bullshit out of the way, his publisher and handlers can loot the vault and release everything he's holding back.

Yes, yes, I know. I'm awful and insensitive and inconsiderate, wishing death upon poor, innocent and pure Axl Rose. *Yawn.* I guess I'm just selfish. I like listening to good music, and the odds of that happening are far greater, as I see it, with Axl dead than with Axl alive.

Go, crack, go! Do your thing!

Everytime I said that, some people bashed me. I have been right since the begining of this "new" Guns n' Roses. Rock n' Roll is something you can't buy. It's a human feeling, an association of human beeings. that's why the original band was SO great TOGETHER. making rock n' roll and playing rock n' roll is not a business. promotion, concert are business. but MAKING Rock n' Roll is not a business.
It's a human feeling. YOU CAN'T PUT A CONTRACT ON IT.

Okay, not to discredit Bucket in any way, but he hardly ever played  :-\ I mean, I absolutely love the guy, but he wasn't *THE* x-factor, at least from what we've all seen and heard from this band. You can only shred on so many songs before it becomes cheesy. Think about it: I can't even pick out Bucket's playing, when he's playing with everyone else. On a solo, yes, but he's inaudible about 80% of the time he's playing non-solo. I can't hear him play a note on 'The Blues', 'Madagascar' (except the solo), or 'Chinese Democracy' (except solo after Finck's).

During the US tour I think bucket handled the majority of the solo's from what I observed.

I believe what you are trying to say is that only Axl matters in nuGNR.  It's not Guns N' Roses, it's not Hired Guns N' Roses, it's Roses and Roses.

He played the following solos:

Jungle
Knockin' on Heaven's Door
You Could Be Mine
Out ta Get Me
Madagascar
My Michelle
Nightrain

Out of 18 songs, he played 7, and 4 of those had multiple, smaller solos in the song played by someone else.

This is not only a specific Buckethead problem, but a WHOLE problem about the "new" members. I mean, who will be the next? another "contract"?. Guns n' Roses is not Microsoft, it's not a company, it's a music band. You can't "buy" it. it's a human relashionship. Does bono have a contract for "the edge" to be in U2?

I got a personal conflict with that...
I would love to see them reunite, it's my dream, but I don't want "contraband" to be locked and neither Chinese Democracy and all Axl's recordings... I want it to be released!!

If they get together again (if ever possible, I don't think so) they would take another year or more to get together an album.. no way !!!

I feel really bad for Axl and the guys.  
No fucking luck.. I swear
I don't get it.
Everything we've heard (especially from Mystereon) points to the CD being near ready to be released and to an actual tour.
If Buckethead's gripe/problem with GNR lies in no album / no tour... Why leave now?  ???

Was it you or youngunner that listed Buckethead in the ULTIMATE GNR LINEUP thread a few weeks back?  Cant remember anymore.

youngunner is gonna be suicidal when he hears the Bucket man has left....

The only solution to save GNR is intensive therapy for Axl..something like 22 hours a day for 15 years....

Actually, Guns N Roses is a brand name comprised of whoever Axl deems fit to be in the project.

No more, no less.

It's not 1987 anymore for cryin out loud.  

Move on.

And for the love of God, quit posting threads that alway beg for a reunion.

Like I said, I love Bucket, love him to death, but I think a lot of people overstate what he has done with GNR.

We're talking about something completely different. U2 has had the SAME line-up for 25 fuckin years and counting...Sure Edge and Bono had some arguments but it's a different world...Axl has been trying to rebuild a new band for more than 7 years now (when the last ex-Gunners left)...it's not an easy task and I think we all witnessed that over the past few years...

welcome to 1999  ::) Guns n' Roses starts from scratch...once again.
But now Axl is 42...what a bad week for the Guns n' Roses fans  :no:

Regardless of how many solos Bucket did or didn't play on tour, the dilemma here is that GNR no longer has a world-class guitarist from a technical standpoint to convey and interpret any musical ideas that might come about.  The argument that we cant be that upset because we can't gauge his contributions to studio material is BS...This is all about potential here...The bottom line is that its a substantial decrease in talent.

Joe

To even think of a reunion is the most ridiculous thought a GNR fan could have. Do you honestly believe that after Slash and Duff have done all this work with VR that they'd drop everything as soon as Axl calls and says "Hey, I was just messin' around! Come on back!"?

Aww..poor Axl  ::)

Yeah, its really about "luck".  Why would this be luck?  Its understood that Axl runs the show, and obviously hes not doing a great job or all 800 of GNRs members over the last decade wouldnt have left.  He said it himself - ultimately, the responsibility is his.  By making the GNR name his, HE deserves all liability and credit for the state of GNR.  If GNR was successful at the moment, youd all be cheering about what a super-genius Axl is for making it happen.  But when things arent looking good (and they havent looked good for over a decade really), its everybody elses fault.  Its the manager for booking tours without permission, its the record company for putting out a Greatest Hits record after supplying him with millions of dollars for a perpetually delayed album, its the ex-members for deserting him, its Clear Channel, its luck, its everybody BUT Axl...Well, he made himself Guns N' Roses.  Its his.  He calls the shots.  He made his bed.  This is Axls Guns N' Roses...its great, isnt it?

Axl Should just ask gary sunshine to join the band.

this is all bullshit [puke]

gnr needs a real guitar player

You think the guys in VR would want to run back to Axl and this whole mess?
In my eyes, the only chance of a full or partial GnR reunion, would be if the whole Velvet Revolver thing gets a lukewarm reception from the public AND Mr. Weiland's drug/rehab issues prohibit the band from perfoming and functioning as a unit. And even if that did happen, it would probably be minimum 6 months from now, not when Velvet Revolver has a finished album and the publicity ball rolling along.

as much as i hate to say its the truth... I agree with you...

Clear Channel, Geffen, Overseas Tour promoters, They have all tried to work this out....

Axl needs to site down with the band and relase the dam CD and start a tour only after the CD has been out and then everything will be ok.  : ok: Then Buckethead would be back maybe if he ever did quit.  

You really have no idea what you are talking about. The importance of BH wasnt just in how many solos he played, but the reputations he brought in to the band.... Without him, GNR is like Ratt..tthey are gonna get laughed at even more than before....

If Buckethead is leaving wich i dont like , well then  i hope fuckin brain quits  too,becuase i hate that  shit in Guns N Roses like a drummer!  >:(


Axl . Call Izzy And Steven Adler!!! That's it! You got the beat and the rythm....and great lyrics also! !!!!!  ;)

Bucket did the solo at the end of November Rain as well.

Normally, I'd say "keep dreaming," but now I think, "stop dreaming," because I'm sick of you posting these threads.

A reunion is never going to fucking happen.

There is no way in hell that Slash would leave Velvet Revolver months before his album release and a possible second rise to fame to play guitar for an widely-ridiculed egomaniac. (and that's being generous)

That's just a bunch of rationalizing, still make excuses for Axl no-matter-what bullshit. It's not rocket science to put together a group, record an album, & tour, only in the land of Axl is it some sort of herculean task.

I guarantee if Axl called Slash on the phone, Slash would shit his pants as it was just for the fact that Axl called... haha I bet a reunion would be a lot more possible than you think if only ONE MAN would change... Even with Velvet Revolver going on that would stop Slash, Izzy, Duff, and Steve from going to Rio would it? Weiland would be in lock down rehab at that point still and it would probably give the hugest amount of publicity to the Velvet Revolver guys they could ever imagine.... wow it'd be great.


But yeah, it's never gonna happen I realize that.

Rocktar has struck again  :hihi:

Dude, didn't you read the latest Slash interview?  He said that even if Axl called him, said he was a better person and asked him to come back, he would refuse. Is that so fuckin' hard for you to understand?  :rant:

... and call rocktar81 to tell him Slash isn't joining the band anytime "soon".  :hihi:



/jarmo

  :hihi:
ok, ok...maybe Fink and Fortus are going to have a bigger part in Guns n' Roses.
To a certain extent, it's cool because Fortus will have a bigger part and you all know how I think Fortus is a great guitar player. However, Buckethead kicked ass on some guitar solos like nightrain or paradise city (the end).
let's see what will happen in Lisbon.

I'm actually quite informed, thanks. It's obvious, besides what we've heard live, no one knows exactly what each member might potentially bring to the band. Like I've said, no one's a bigger Bucket fan than I am, but as far as being in GNR, thus far, his non-replaceable persona hasn't really shown...

i for one think that this band is dead and Axl shud fuck the idea of Guns N' Roses off, its over. If anythin he shud release a solo album.

Slash, Duff and Izzy will never play again with Axl, and theres no way Slash Duff and matt wud leave VR at this point.

and i agree with the person who sed that CD isnt gonna happen anytime soon cos Bucket wudnt have left.

Does anyone here actually think this "Guns N' Roses" is gonna happen, personally i dont.

Its over, im just looking forward to Contraband.

There are so many reasons why this will never and should never happen. However since I am short on time I will just laugh at you.

HAHA!  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Best thing to do is to get this band back on track with buckethead.  Axl must have been on the phone with him recently.  Keep bucket at all costs and release the damn album.  Otherwise, I feel for the worse.  All of these headlines of chaos in the GNR camp futhur makes a mockery of Chinese Democracy.  It's time for this band to just get the job done. If buckethead is still under contract - perhaps he is trying some bargaining tactics.  I hope for the best and need to prepare for the worst.

Oh give me abreak!!!! BH,a world class guitarist,used in the same sentence with Slash and Joe Perry??????? WHO THE FUCK EVER HEARD OF HIM BEFORE HE JOINED GNR?????

I found this on mygnr.com from the poster OralSex.


http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?showtopic=14783


Enlight of all the new rumors going around I thought I would share this with you


As some of you may know I just came back from W. Hollywood a couple of days ago. While I was there two of the first people I met were the owner of the Rainbow and of the Whiskey Mario, and one of his floor managers Mike. Both had some pretty interesting information to share with me about the future of GNR. Mike told me that Duff told him (I feel so gay saying that) that if Axl called him up he would go back with GNR in a heartbeat no matter how well VR was doing. Though he said Slash would do the same, Duff wants it more.

He also said that when Slash comes into the Rainbow he sits in the same booth as the whole Novemeber Rain video thing. He said that Slash gets really quiet for the first 20 minutes or so because he is thinking about the old days and what not....

Take it for what it's worth, a reunion is only a phone call away.
Come on Axl get off your ass and give Slash and Duff a call.



 : ok:

I will be angry if the old band reunites. At this point in time, I'm more interested in hearing 'Chinese Democracy', 'The Blues', 'Madagascar', and 'Riyadh', and I really don't see the other old members wanting to play those...

Slash, Duff and even Izzy still have a lot of love for Axl. I'm sure Axl has it too but he is too proud to recognize it. The former members are Axl's part of life, Axl is part of the former members life.

I think so too.  But Slash & Duff recently went to Paris to promote their new album and great new band VR.  They looked fuking cool in the photos!  :smoking:  

I just dont see them throwing that all away to rejoin the redhead...  I love the old Guns, but it's not coming back.

A tool you may be, but ur not the sharpest tool in the toolshed. Don't believe such crappy rumours from mygnr.

We've got hundreds of interviews with former members saying a reunion is NEVER going to happen.

You know i have been a fan for a long time now and i really don't find that hard to believe.  With the egos left behind, the one thing they all share in common (Axl,Slash + Duff anyway)  is that they LOVED GN'R with a passion.  

You can't take the idea of a reunion to heart, but to say never in the GN'R world...... I don't know lol   I think now they have all soberd up and have all seen the world on an individual basis, to see and hear the reactions from people.  I'm sure they know the magic they created together.  

And i don't think it would be a case of dropping VR couldn't the two co-exist?  I think Axl would have to really prove his commitment though.  Which in my mind is the only point of concern. I still stand by my theory of a 20th anniversary Appetite reunion of some sort- even if we never get to see or hear about it.

 :)I love old gnr and would like to see a reunion I know the chances are slim to none
all the old gnr members are friends except axl it seems like axl forgot where he came from
scott weiland is busy with drugs and rehab the other guys seem to be done with drugs and are a lot straighter now and if bh is really gone and with cd taking forever to come out the old guys need a straight singer and maybe axl is taking so long  because he is lost without his old bandmembers  and doesn't realize it axl is hiring people and trying to make them gnr but its only gnr in name you don't hire your band mates band members come together from friendship a reunion makes sense axl needs to come back down to earth everybodys older and straighter now

Theres no reason why Axl couldnt reunite Gn'R with the classic lineup and release CD as a solo album. It wouldnt change the material if he simply called it Axl Rose instead of Gn'R. He could do solo shows with Finck,Fortus etc. - just like im sure Velvet Revolver would do their shows.

Throwing that all away?   Dude, exactly how long do you think it will take before Weiland fucks up and gets sentenced to 3-5 years in prison?   Even if he manages to stay out of jail, he still can't even do any major touring without spending a lot of that time searching for speedballs.   This guy is talented, but he has problems that are going to prevent him from ever again reaching the heights he did with STP.    For some reason Duff, Slash, and Matt are all like abused women....they go from one victimizer to another.   Sorum, in addition to Axl and Weiland, played with Ian Astbury and Billy Duffy in the Cult.   Those guys couldn't keep the same bassist and drummer for more than one album or tour, mainly due to Ian being a raging alcoholic and both of them world-class egomaniacs.  

I can't see any or all 3 of those guys going back to Axl but it's not like velvet revolver isn't a ticking time bomb itself.

he could do solo shows...that's it. Alone on stage, drunk, with 2 hours late, in front of 5 people (beta, doug goldstein, beta, beta, beta) saying " see you next summer!"  :hihi: :rofl: ??? :rant:

that would rock so damn much!! if that is true, i hope axl does it, duff is the coolest (bass)guitar player to walk on the face of the earth! atleast in my mind. eventhough tommy is pretty good.... go duff  : ok: : ok:


as for axl doing solo show, he could do like britney and just press "play" before going on stage and rock out for 80mins to Chinese Democracy....   :hihi:

At this point the future of GNR looks the bleakest its ever been. I can't remember a time when things seemd worse, even in 1996 we had hope....

Even if a new lead guitarist turns up (which GNR need) BHead's parts will need to be re-recorded..and maybe replaced altogether.....

As long as Axl Rose is calling the shots, Guns N Roses is fucked & will never be saved, & will forevermore be looked at as a joke & a laughingstock.

as long as Axl Rose considers he is Guns n' Roses alone, he will be considered as the Benny Hill of the music industry. Guns n' Roses is not one man show.

Axl should release the album quickly under the W. Axl Rose name.

He will never accept it. either he will release it under the Guns n' Roses name, or....he won't release it. We have to begin to think about that, about a non-released of that album. This is not an impossible thing. unfortunately...This is not totally unrealistic.

Izzy, isnt that the most depressing thing about this whole situation?...The situation we find ourselves in now was unfortunately the most predicable of all possible scenarios.....God, all the talent and potential he surrounded himself with seems completely squandered...ahhh

Duff has been supporting Scott through all this cos Duff and co. have been there before and have befriended this guy cos he needs some support through this. Good on them for that.

Scott is in rehab anyway, and yeah he got caught smuggling drugs IN (I did have a little giggle at that) but hey.. thats a drug addicts desperation.. im sure with the support of these guys he can get through it.

Remember, they chose this guy, so im sure they are confident of who they have chosen and know its a good thing.  : ok:

Yeah, but with a solo-album without a tour we can see all the other members as session members. In that case it doesn't matter that Buckethead is out.

Release the album (including at least two hit singles which I'm sure it will have), promote it heavily and it will sell a few million albums and everyone will be happy.