Here Today... Gone To Hell!

After fours years as a member of Guns N' Roses, during which time the band canceled more shows than it played and released no original material, guitarist Buckethead has had enough.

The eccentric musician, who wears a fried-chicken bucket on his noggin and talks only through a hand puppet, has walked out before but has always returned to the fold. This time, however, it looks permanent. At the end of last year, Buckethead became fed up with Guns' inability to complete an album or tour and stopped working with them, his manager said.

Buckethead appeared on the green carpet at the Grammy Awards last month and was introduced by Parliament/Funkadelic bassist Bootsy Collins as a member of Guns N' Roses, but by that time Buckethead had already told Guns frontman Axl Rose he no longer wanted to be in the band, the manager said.

Guns N' Roses are scheduled to headline the Rock in Rio festival in Lisbon, Portugal, on May 30. It is unclear whether the band will have a new guitarist by then. Guns N' Roses' label would not comment on Buckethead's departure.

The guitarist will now focus on numerous projects, including two solo albums ? Population Overdrive and Cuckoo Clocks of Hell ? which are due this summer. In addition, a group called Col. Claypool's Bucket of Bernie Brains, which features Buckethead, Primus bassist Les Claypool, Guns N' Roses drummer Brain (ex-Primus) and legendary funk keyboardist Bernie Worrell, will release a debut studio album this summer (see "Buckethead's Brains On Hold During GN'R Tour, Claypool Says").

The record was mostly recorded last year in Northern California at Claypool's home studio, Rancho Relaxo, and includes the songs "Buckethead," "Tyranny of the Hunt," "The Big Eyeball in the Sky" and "Hip Shot From the Stab."

"There are slices of all of our worlds," Claypool said. "We're talking about four pretty strong personalities, so you can hear Primus with Buckethead flailing over the top and Bernie Worrell's monster tidbits over the top of what we're doing. It's unbelievable."

Half of the Col. Claypool's Bucket of Bernie Brains album will be instrumental. The band has played various live improvisational shows, but this will be the first time audiences will hear the band performing structured material.

"It's not as chaotic as you would think," Claypool said. "You'd think, 'OK, here come these four guys and they're just gonna start flailing,' but Brain is a very structured player, so everything tends to be very groove-oriented."

Also on Buckethead's plate are shows and recordings with his recently reunited high school band, Deli Creeps, which features a singer named Maximum Bob, drummer Pinchface and bassist Tony.

And Buckethead will likely join bassist Bill Laswell, Brain and others for a show as Material at this year's Bonnaroo festival, which is scheduled for June 11-13 in Manchester, Tennessee, according to the guitarist's manager. The festival may also feature a reunion of Praxis ? a band featuring Laswell, Buckethead, Collins, Worrell, Brain and DJ Flip ? who haven't played together in five years.

Buckethead will start a solo tour Wednesday (March 17), opening for Particle in Austin, Texas. Dates run through April 15 in Atlanta.



?Jon Wiederhorn

 :hihi:

"His manager said"

Where are the quotes?

Link, please?  I dont see it on MTV's site.

-darknemus

I dont really care because I always thought he was a freak and made GNR look bad.  But this could delay the album even more.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1485811/20040317/guns_n_roses.jhtml?headlines=true (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1485811/20040317/guns_n_roses.jhtml?headlines=true)

Edit:  This fucking sucks!!!!!!!

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1485811/20040317/story.jhtml

Its true :crying:

As Axl once said: where do we go? Where do we go now?

Looks like GNR died today.

I never bother with news stories unless they have quotes backing it up.

Maybe this was just created to get you to read all about Bucketheads other stuff below coming up?

Yeah, I got the link guys, thanks.

Well, Mysteron - since you seem to have had an inkling that there was some sort of story to this supposed non-story - can you clarify now that its out in the open?

So now you have Axl suing the label, and his guitar player walking.. what's next?.. I, for one, cant wait to watch.. its like a horrific train wreck, i cant keep my eyes off the carnage attempting to crawl out of the wreckage.

-darknemus

MTV news is now fabricating news stories in order to help market an artist?  If that's what you're suggesting, then I kind of think you're in the minority on this one.

And the walls.. keep crumblin crumblin...

-darknemus

I've had no clarification whatsoever on this

The world has gone mad  :hihi:

That's a good point... but MTV isnt blabbermouth.  I would be quite horrified if they stooped to such tactics.

Yes, Dark it is like a horrific train wreck  :'(

If MTV News said so, I'd believe it.  MTV is not going to risk getting sued for presenting something they know to be false.

Sad, isn't it?  Its like, you're watching your favorite band fall apart in front of your eyes (again, mind you) and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it.

What's next?  Brain, I'd guess.  Then maybe Stinson?  Fortus?

The visual of Axl on a stage with one of those one-man-band rigs strapped to his back isn't gonna be far from the truth if this continues.

-darknemus

Does anyone actually find this surprising?  

i think its garbage,lisa reed says buckets still in the band,i guess weel ahev to wait till axl says somethin or rio to find out

This is gettin' too bad.  :-X  

Well im not that familiar with MTV news cos I live in Australia..

Was just a thought..

Man.. what next? What a joke  :'(

I think this is the most busy week in Gnr history i have witnessed on this board.

Goodbye Gnr.


The end is nigh, unless a Guitarist of Buckets caliber can step into the fold quickly or unless Axl has somehow inherited Hendrix's powers.

She said Dizzy didn't make those comments, she doesn't know the status of BH.

Anyway, this sucks.  I'm gonna go get a beer.

And yeah, I was very surprised to read this.  Guess some of my illusions have been shattered.

Well Bucketheads's gone..Brain will follow......

But Steven and Izzy have just teamed up again - they could fill in 2 large holes in GNR......

(I know i'm clutching at straws..but at this point i'm desperate for hope)

The only thing I find surprisingly is that Buckethead (and the other band members) have stuck around for this long.

As I said on the other "Buckethead's out" thread, what serious musician would care to sit on his ass for years waiting on Axl?  This is one of the reasons Slash and Duff quit the band to begin with.

If I were the band members, I would've quit the day after the Philly Riot.

MTV is not official

Regardless of what it said, until someone linked to the band says something, then it remains just a rumour

Well, I ain't surprised but even tho I think BH looks wrong for GNR, the biggest issue is that in fact he is far better for GnR than Finck... :(

Shame... it will just delay stuff further...

I don't think Mtv is exactly in the business of making up news stories just for the hell of it. Especially news stories about a guitar player that no one knows, from a band that no one cares about.
But if clinging to the hope that MTV is just plain wrong, and that you will see CD keeps you going, then God Bless you.

Oh stop complaining !!  >:(

Some of you can be such hypocrits !!!

In 4 years, how many said they didn't like buckethead, that they wanted slash back, that the guy looked like a freak, that he wasn't good for gnr's image and bla bla ?

And now, all of a sudden, you cry your hearts out and go " this is the end for GNR" ?

GNR was finished before it was even started. That's also why we loved them, because you couldn't plan a damn thing.

Ok. Response from management about Buckethead

"He has a contract"

Maybe not, but they quoted sources of Buckethead.  Obvious they aren't going to quote Buckethead's manager unless he really said that.  As I said before, they aren't going to risk the reputation of MTV News and/or getting sued over something like that.



As many have said, MTV doesn't just make up rumors.  When's the last time you heard a later-proven falsehood on MTV news?

Okay, so what the fuck does that mean or prove?  Sounds to me like a subtle manner of dodging your question.

If he's gone I say see ya later freako. Buckethead makes gnr look like a circus and he's just another shredder destined to be popular in guitar magazines and japan. As far as CD is concerned... well... I wouldn't even venture a guess at this point. I'm with dark on this, it'll be interesting to watch this thing over the next couple of months. :peace:

SOME.. not all of us!

Plus, regardless of what ppl think of Bucket, its bad news at this fragile point in time, when we really wanted to hear about GNR moving on past the recent court dramas etc to appear in RIR4 and put the album out. Like him or not, I think most people here would agree that they wouldnt want to hear this news at all.

There's nothing that Axl can do now that will redeam himself after letting this happen...at least in my eyes as a fan.  I liked the old band quite a bit at the time and saw them live 3 times and bought all the albums, singles, t-shirt, and various other merchandise.  I absolutely loved the new band and consider myself fortunate enough to see them perform on the defunct "World Tour" in 2002 and waited with baited breath with an open wallet to purchase the new material.  But this is the last straw.  I don't blame Buckethead.  I don't blame Geffen.  I blame my former-hero 100%.  This is Axl's doing.  Calling him an asshole would be an insult to other assholes.  Calling him a prick would be an insult to other pricks.  Calling him a retard would be an insult to other retards.  It no longer saddens me to admit this, but he's just a useless, worthless, idiotic, dork.

I don't care how good the reviews are if and when Chinese Democracy comes out.  I don't care how much anticipation is behind any future GNR shows.  As my own,personal, silent protest I plan on NOT purchasing CD, NOT going to any future GNR shows, I WILL be attending all the Velvet Revolver shows I can, I WILL be going to Lollapalooza this summer if Robin Finck is back with NIN,  I WILL be buying "Greatest Hits", The Velvet Revolver albums, all of Buckethead's solo albums, and anything and everything else from any former GNR band-members.

Fuck you, Axl.  You're a worthless piece of shit for letting this and all of the additional immenant resignations from happening.




-Banny

why?????:crying:   this sucks axl needs to get his act together :rant:  Bucket was the only thing that could possibly replace Slash :rant:  :crying: :crying:
I miss slash, today is not a good day first off less then a week from now we get that peice of shit called greatest hits out, then Bucket quits, whats fucking next.  ahhh this sucks. :crying: :rant:  im going to go get drunk now maybe that will help

Not sure what it means. I assume it means, he can't leave

How typically GNR.


Cheers Mysteron as ever for the info but it seems management are just as naive as everyone else.

We all know contracts can be broken and there is probably a loophole somewhere in there.


Bring on Velvet Revolver!

goddamnit.

I mean what the fuck? This is as official as it gets.

(More so than some dumb bitch claiming to be the wife of the man who knows less about GNR than we).

Holy fuck, Axl really did it this time. With Buckethead gone, its game over man. It will be so wrong to switch gears again. It was devastating seeing the band. Then growing to love them, especially Buckethead. And now Buckethead is gone?

goddamn motherfucker. GNR just lost any shred of respect and dignity they might have had.

I am so bummed by this news.

Say it aint so Axl! Damn dude, you really fucked up this time.

Contract doesnt make sense. He can easily give the money and leave.

They didnt quote anything to do with Buckets departure, only about his solo and other stuff.

Maybe

If he has left, he should have done it properly

Because you want me to be a Rebecca now ?  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Suit yourself...

And yeah, i understand hwat you mean..i'm impulsive.. :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

lisa confirmed he was still in the band and that dizzy didtn say that

Haha sorry about your name.. I corrected it.. apologies  :peace:

It speaks volumes to me.  It means he is a hired gun.  A session musician.  If RIR4 is part of the contract, I guess he'll have to do it.  

Yeah, and furthermore, Buckethead may be just letting his contract run out.  I think someone mentioned that on the last thread.

Mysteron, I'm sorry - but think about the absurdity of this for a moment.

"I assume it means he can't leave" - How very sad is it that management or Axl or WHOEVER might have to push Bucket, contractually, to stay in the band, if that's true?  That's just, beyond insane, in my opinion.

Whatever happened to musicians first, businessmen second?

-darknemus

And what does properly mean in this context, does he have to beg Axl to be reprieved of his contract so he can actually go and make some music instead of twiddling his KFC chunky chicken bite popcorn?

Dont get me wrong Mysteron, im not getting at you at all, you are a fountain of knowledge and have reigned supreme over all the other so-called sources who turn out to be bullshitting no hopers looking for some attention.

The whole thing gets more and more like a soap opera each passing day.

Well at least im thankful for one thing, we have some news.

Lisa didn't confirm he was in the band, just that he didn't say that.

To Everyone else:
Seriously, please don't bring Lisa into this, because she was just trying to be nice and help us out with some info.  However this plays out, and if Buckethead is indeed gone from the band, she doesn't deserve any shit because of it, so just fuck off before you even start.

If you wanna blame anyone, blame me for taking her comments to mean more than what they were intended.

Last night I tried to register my domain name for my GNRAustralia site.. the site kept going down..

Maybe it was trying to tell me to save my money  : ok:

Yeah, for an optimist... personally I reckon that means he has a contract that is/has expired.  Fact is, they don't wanna give out any info til Axl is ready to say anything.  And knowing Axl, he wont.  We will just see him turn up at a show, minus BH, and say it all on stage... about how he was betrayed by Buckethead, and how his former friend did this that and the other... etc... we've heard it all before... :)

Too true

You're forgiven...Was it the red hair ? ( just curious, i'm either called Sarash or Rebecca by people who can't get i'm a jessica...i should consider changing my name huh ?  ;) ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: )

Well... this.... fuckin' sucks.

This is a sad state of affairs..

Managements "he has a contract" is probably them trying to be defiant and tell him to fufill his obligations, but it wont happen.

First the old band leaves/is fired, now the new band could well fall appart.. someone better go setup newnewgnr.com  :-X

No I was just talking to a Rebecca.. so it had it in my mind hehe

Loretian, you are a good person.

You're obviously right, too.  Thanks for the sense of sanity.
/Mike

Actually I don't even care about Buckethead leaving. For me it goes back to Philly and the way all the momentum just stopped. We haven't heard jack shit since then and it's real hard to believe that much has really even happened since then. So even though it sucks, you can't really subract from zero, you know? We had nothing before and we still have nothing. Nothing was really lost.

I CANNOT believe how many motherfuckers continue to undermine what Buckethead brought to GNR.

I'll enlighten you. He brought nothing short of GNR's salvation. He brought respect where was none. Respect from the music world, and respect from other artists. This would translate to respect from fans once educated.

This is a HUGE blow! He was in many ways more relevant than Axl, as he brought all these things to GNR that Axl himself has lost.

Buckethead left, and took all of this GNR's credibility right along with him.

This is so fucked on so many levels.

Goddamn it Axl. You actually made me a believer again. But right now, I no longer believe.

ahahahahah :rofl:

Yes!  Hopefully well get (fingers crossed) another lawsuit!  

I cant wait for GNR to assemble their "Greatest Lawsuits" collection so we can all enjoy just how badass Axl and his attorneys are.  

Im ambivalent to Buckethead leaving.  I have no clue what he contributed musically to GNR, so I dont know what Ill be missing - and neither do any of you.  So you can end all of the "GNR has died" crying, because if you havent noticed, GNR has been dead.  But if Axl can carry on with not only Slash, but every other former member of that band, hell certainly carry on (however that is) without Buckethead.  

I enjoyed Bucketheads persona, and hes a great player, but as weve gone over a million times, Im not a fan of his music, so his departure is ultimately fine with me.  I think he had a lot of potential for GNR image-wise though, so its a pretty big loss in that sense.  He was obviously a star attraction.  I wish him luck doing his own thing...I just dont think he was meant for GNR.  Then again, I dont think Finck is either... :-\

As for Rio, theres really no reason for a third guitarist is there?  I always thought three guitarists was unnecessary anyway.  The original did it with two and sounded great, Im sure the new one can too.

Oh well, atleast Chris Pittman is still in there.  If he leaves, GNR might  never recover.

She must be special then.... ;)

Well, I wouldn't automatically consider MTV "official", though it's pretty damn close. I'm gonna side with Mysteron, and say until an official announcement is made through Axl, GNR, Bucket, or Geffen, I'll remain skeptical. It seems not all is as it seems  ???

why the hell can he get off his butt to sue someones butt, but not to issue a statement about the new album or bucket. axl. speak. this is not fair

 :crying:  :rant: :crying:  :rant: :crying:  :rant: :crying:

That sucks!!!

I hope that we've got something really, really official about it soon...as soon as possible (I mean: NOW!!)

unfuckingbelievable

fuck you axl rose.  

everyone better go buy their RIR4 tickets and some people better make some bootlegs cuz it looks like this may be the last GNR show ever.   :crying: :rant: :confused:

Or maybe it means there is a very fine print in his contract saying he can leave if the band remains inactive for more than 12 months. Apparently it happened in dec. 2003 (his decision I mean)...one year after the canceled tour. This is just a wild guess but in the GN'R world, who really knows?

Sadly, if Bucket leaves, there's a strong possibility Brain is leaving too. Back to the beginning of 2000... :no:

Can we get to see his face now ?  ;D

She must be special then.... ;)

Not really.. plus she's no JESSICA  ;)  : ok:

sad but true

Go oooon ,make me blush you charmer ( god i love chamers lol  :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:)  ;) ;) ;)

Fuck You Buckethead!!! :yes: ;D :beer:





[puke]

I cannot imagine that Axl WOULDN'T have a contractual agreement from all the members. He'd be insane to trust them all to stay put.  You better believe there was a pretty serious packet of paper to sign when each member accepted his offer.  

I have a feeling we will definitely hear a slight twist to this with more official news.

GunnerDownUnder and jessica...you guys want to take your conversation to pm's please...

loretian is right in saying that no one should take it out on Lisa.  I'm sure she either didn't know or could not comment on it and who is to say that Dizzy said it but maybe a fan made up the story and it started a mass of rumors.

If it is true...it sucks.

Hmmm if there is a fuck you would be said I'd rather choose Axl.

Agreed, much in the same way that the band itself has never really coped since the departure of Paul Tobias. ;)

If only he hadnt of left things might of been all so different. :'(

This is fucked up and this thread will be about 75 pages long tomorrow mroning, guess its an all nighter for me!


Wheres my damn coffee!!! :rant:

Nope, it's not the end...it's not that bad, 3 guitarists left..plus, bucket has his own career to make, you can someone against his own will...I wish bucket lots of luck and axl too, as long as they do what they feel is right to do.

You two, take it to PMs. Thank you.


On topic: I hope we can keep this civilized so I don't have to start banning people like in December 2002.



/jarmo

EXACTLY!!   :rant:

Maybe Buckethead will still be featured on Chinese Democracy and its *cough* three followups. That will at least be acceptable.

Sorry!   :peace:

Is it possible Axl will make a statement soon, like the fax he sent to MTV when Slash left?

Maybe Steven will take his job  ;)

Gilby always said he wants to play lead guitar...

Hey, there's an idea.... Axl, Izzy, Dizzy, Steven, Stinson, and Fortus.

So the fact that he remixed those Hollywood Rose tracks could be a sign...? Wait a minute... :nervous: ;D

No seriously I don't see Gilby in the new GN'R, but again, you never know...

Im not a Gilby Hater my any means and i actually like the guy as it happens...but is he anygood at Lead?

If he is then im all for it!

Okay. : ok:

Fuck you too Axl!!! :yes: ;D :beer:


Fucking CRACKHEAD!!! >:(


[puke]

Gilby is nothing more than a pimple on Bucketheads ass in terms of talent. Buckethead is his god.

I dont think he could handle it... And I dont think Finck can handle it alone too.

Jesus dude, why dont you climb off your high horse for just a second and try to be sensible.

I would prefer Gilby to Buckethead hes more of a Guns N Roses type Guitarist, let Buckethead go away and do his solo thing, you shouldnt mind, at least it will give him more creative freedom so he can make more albums of material for you, oh and for Gilby to copy of course!

Actually I do think he could handle it but I'm not sure he would want to go back down that road again.

i can't believe i payed 53? to see Axl's solo project. this sucks! Axl killed the old band and still has enough power to destroy what was great about the new incarnation. if BH is actually out, i guess GN'R are dead, or they died in 93 and i was just to blind to see. :crying:

I feel like I have been seriously suckerpunch'd!

LIKE I SAID ( AND I WAS RIGHT ):

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?board=2;action=display;threadid=11023;start=120

quote author=RnT link=board=2;threadid=11023;start=120#msg190469 date=1079482663]

I don?t think this way...
do you though of the possibility that BHEAD has the "same" ego that Axl and don?t acept the boss "laws" and just put a end in the history?! ( now or in the 2002 tour )
you know, after Axl, BHEAD is thet guy that got all the atention of the fans and midia...

FUCK!  If anyone out there thinks Gilby couldn't be the GnR lead guitarist they should get some bootlegs of Gilby's shows!  The guy can rip it up on the fretboards!  I play guitar and consider myself pretty good, but I have seen Gilby kick the shit out of plenty of guitar player's abilities.  He joined GnR as a Rhythm player, and a fine rhythm player he is... but he kicks ASS on lead too!!!  You should have heard him on tour doing harmonised lead guitars with Tracii Guns... fucking awesome!!!

Well that confirms that then, as Slash is busy with VR, then for me its gonna have to be Gilby!

Is he still touring with Heart or is that over?


Man im speaking like an optimist...whats wrong with me?


Must be past midnight or something! :D

gibly wuold be fucking cool

if bucket is gone, then i'm really fucking worried about the rir4 show.

btw, why would he leave? i'm mean, he has time to do all he wants with his solo stuff and still be in gn'r. he'll be busy while touring, but what can be so hard just to wait for that to happen?? he even gets paid for it...

it's not like his solo thing is that huge, and i seriousely believe that beeing a part of gn'r has made it allot bigger...

Is he as good as Slash?

thats it right? no more gnr. wouldn't they have to go back to the studio and record buckets part all over again? i think we can assume lisbon will be canceled.

GnR had survied with out Slash,  It will suck if ol B-head is gone, ... as long as they play Rio.. Fuck it bring back Paul, he knows the music and is still in the loop im sure...I dont think so Buckethead will quit though... no way.....  

Axl
Brain
Tommy
Dizzy
Chris
Paul
Robin
Richard

maybe mtv.com made this story up just from all the rumours that are going around on the internet

we really need something offical  >:(

How long ago was it reported that a member of the Bucket crew at one of his shows said that there will be no buckets at GNR.. Maybe he left the announcement till now to help promote his other stuff?

Its possible that Bucket left a while ago and that a replacement has already started  ???

Just a thought.

Well ain't that a kick in the crotch!

Hey heres an idea!!!  Get Slash back and put a mask on him and a KFC bucket!!!!  (joke)

it looks like the chicken shit has hit the fan...how can this get any worse? it needs a damn miracle to get back the respect GNR should have...

Quote from buddha_master:

I CANNOT believe how many motherfuckers continue to undermine what Buckethead brought to GNR.

axls#2:
Hmm...How many songs have you heard that buckethead has recorded with Gn'r? I've heard absolutely zero...yeah he's an amazing musician, but that doesn't mean he can write a good song that is not just spoken-word. I'm not dissing buckethead, because it's axl's fault, he seems to have gotten fed up with all the waiting, i'm sure the others have been fed up for awhile also. And don't let stinson's company line fool you, i'm pretty sure he want's out too. And this is sad, because i was very excited to see buckethead live again.

anyhow I wonder what they plan on doing with his parts? since he is basically a session musician do you think maybe they will still keep all of his music and just have someone else play it on tour? they already have two guitarists.  and since we haven't actually heard the cd, how do you know most of the good music hasn't been contributed by somebody else? Having not heard the cd i really don't know, so i really am not sure how I feel about losing buckethead. I will miss his awesome solo's and robot dancing but who knows how valuable he actually was? Nobody! because none of you have heard his work with axl.

Also another thing to think about is this. Maybe after last years aborted tour is when buckethead told axl he didn't want to be in the band anymore. Maybe the cd was almost ready for release, but when buckethead said he wanted out, axl started re-doing the parts all over again. We know how good gn'r can be at not disclosing information, but eventually the truth comes out. The article said he stopped recording last year. So maybe axl and gn'r did a real good job keeping it quiet, but eventually they lost their grip on it.  

Anybody else hopelessly refreshing gnronline in case any news may be posted there?  :hihi:

If Buckethead is out, and he has been at least since late last year, there is probably a good reason he announced it now. Maybe he was told to wait until the band had somebody else to replace him, so they can issue a statement confirming his departure and at the same time announcing their new guitarist.

Funny though how rumors we thought were pure BS for the past months turned out to be true... Maybe Axl is really having guitar lessons to play the 3rd guitar himself  :nervous:

If Buckethead is gone, do they really need to replace him?  They still got 2 very capable guitar players.  

If you want to wait for this to be made official by the band, then I'm afraid that you're going to be waiting a long time.  Clearly they are going to sit on their hands and say nothing until they have something positive to report (and that could be a long wait).

This basically puts any chance of CD's release in the toilet and it's just waiting to be flushed by 100% confirmation by someone in the Buckethead camp.

Axl has ruined Guns N' Roses all over again.

Axl has only ONE remaining choice left, its the choice he should have made at the beginning 10 years ago,

The imense pressure he is feeling in trying to create a "perfect" record is that it CANT be done,

This pressure stems from a band he USED to be in, it was called "guns n roses"
The greatness that GNR acheived as a " band " can only be created by a "band" and not by college boy employees.

Until axl realises that he is NOT guns n roses he will never succeed. NEVER.

The choice and the ONLY choice he is left with is to change the name of his band which he should have done in the first place.
If this was done as it should have been, then axl would have released CD a loooooooooooong time ago, along with a few more records probably.

And you know what the best thing to have happened if he had decided to NOT use the GNR name, its that GUNS N ROSES would have always remained what it was and what "could" have been in the future.

Now its over.

they wont replace him... they were never planning to have 2 lead guitar players.... Robin was the original replacement for Slash... Robin quit... Enter Bhead.. Robin wants back in... now Axl has 2 guitar players.. he said before "2 was never the intention"

Give some credit and some thanks to Robin people... he has been there just as long as Tommy Stinson has.... but still fans bag on Robin...  I love Robin and Tommy for sticking with the band....

just one thing i want to say....

if axl walks out on stage at RIR4 with a guitar in his hands, im going to puke.

When it rains around here, it pours, huh?

Axl's once choice is... make a bloody statement.. or something

your probably right, but i am still curious to hear what he's been doing the last 10 years. But axl is axl...maybe all of this news lately will actually spark some interest from media outlets and maybe some one will give us some info about whatever the fuck is going on. It would be nice to see mtv or rollingstone do some good digging, but they probably think what's the point? and maybe axl is happy with where he's at right now and doesn't really care about being a big time rockstar. But then I kinda wonder about the Round 1 comment at the vma's...And maybe he does read these boards and has lost confidence because of how some people like to talk about him, not saying it's unfair but he could actually think "fuck them" because some people here are pretty hard on axl, but does he deserve it? i don't know, im just asking the question, it's real hard to be positive when you are a fan of gn'r and i'm usually negative but that's because there is not really ever anything positive going on. No communication whatsoever with fans.

another legendary guitarist quit on axl.

damn, he just has the worst luck! [sarcasm]

damn it, i am bummed.
i will still pray for some kind of salvation......

Hey maybe instead of these petititons we've been doing lately, we could flood rollingstone and mtv with e-mails urging them to do an exclusive report on gn'r. It's been awhile since rollingstone did an article on gn'r and basically most of the information we know about chinese democracy came from that report.

And what would be the point? Get excited about Chinese Democracy and hope it comes out "soon"?

A G A I N ?

I'll reiterate my post from earlier in the week....The train goes off the rails for me here if this is true...Brain wil follow out the door, no question....I can't wait for the third deathstar to be rebuilt.....This board is still my online family, and I'm of course gonna stay around to see the upcoming developments, but this just sinks my heart to see history repeat itself, only to be a powerless bystander...
Cheers
Joe  

so, he wants out but Axl won't let him? Bucket should just say to Axl, assuming he likes the stuff they've recorded, release the fucking album by X date or i'm out. Even with a contract, it's not like they can force the dude to get up on stage and play killer guitar solo's....

if gnr can survive losing slash they will survive losing buckethead


only thing is now will buckets parts be erased? that means more delays!

maybe bucket is just on hiatus till axl feels like releasing cd then will be back

if all themusic is done he might just leave till axl finishes the vocals then rejoin when axl decides to get his shit together

Thats what I was thinking./...let's hope this is the case D....

Yeah, he played with Heart last year and he kicked ass on lead.  But he's playing on the new Heart album, so he probably has tour requirements for them coming soon.

i'm just hoping to wake up from this fucked up dream



rock n' roll

Gilby is locked into heart for the summer. Plus his name was just mentioned as a joke, I don't see him ever playing for Axl again.

I must ask you guys, since when did GNR survive the loss of Slash?

The past four years indicate how slim this band's survival capabilities really are.

Wow. This is truly sad. I don't follow all the rumors that float around here on a weekly basis so i didn't see this coming at all.

But it doesn't surprise me. Many of us here post all these grand theories about Guns and Axl, trying to connect dots, and like it is in life, the simplest explanation is usually the right one. Guns n Roses is, most likely, over. If it didn't work with this new lineup, its truly doubtful it's going to work with anyone else.

We need to surrender the pipe dream. Wait to see if he pulls out of RIR or what he says there and then let it go.

HeHe, thats a good point, Dizzy. If by surviving the loss of Slash they meant "turned into the biggest joke in music", I guess they've got a point.

STREET TEAMERS. GET READY FOR THAT GREATEST HITS RELEASE! YOU'VE GOT LESS THAN A WEEK HERE IN THE US!

He, he, he. This is priceless.

I think GnR will cancel Rio(maybe) and that Finck could be out soon as well. Does anybody out there has any hope still?

Wasnt there a wild rumor going back months ago about Zakk Wylde going to GNR to replace Bucket??? OH well guess if it was meant to be this is the time to call good ol' Zakk.... me I would love to see Izzy patch things with Axl and get back on board to give this thing a bit more legitimacy cuz quite frankly GNR right now is as dead as the Undertaker (looooooooooool)  :peace:

I've seen Gilby a million times. He's not even decent. It's fun watching him play lead guitar for his solo band. But to go from BucketHead to Gilby. You gotta be kidding me!

Good call.  Rio is it.  If they're there, they can survive.  If not, it's really finally over.  For this incarnation at least.

Personally, i think they won't confirm it, won't show up, and that will be that.

Such a shame.  People in this band worked really hard to share this music with the world.  Who know's what's to blame.  Axl is here to make music.  But Perfectionism is a blessing and a curse.  it needs to be balanced by action and energy.  Perfectionism+isolation+arrogance=stagnation.
A waste of amazing gifts and talents.

Unless the thing about Buckethead just being in to replace Finck and then once Finck came back he was "taking up space", meaning most of it is Finck's material ANYWAY and for all we know, Axl really is close with Bucket and didn't want to kick out his friend so he has waited all this time for him to get sick of it and leave, I see one way to fix this. Now let's see: Guitarist and drummer are very close, seem almost like brothers. So, if one leaves, the other follows. Who is the only guitarist in rock/metal that was once transcendent, head and shoulders above even Buckethead, but needs pushed by a brilliant lyricist or he's going to write cheese ballads like he did after he kicked out his own brilliant lyricist? His fans decry him for keeping his original band name after one of the most dynamic members left, even though the band name includes HIS name? His website was updated and old news was wiped clean clean the same day gnronline.com was updated and old news was wiped clean? His brother IS his drummer, and you can't have one without the other? His name is Eddie Van Halen, and last I checked, he was without a record label.

Van Halen should be touring this summer.

this is diasterous. As if a comet was heading toward earth and there was no way to stop it. GnR are most likely finished; if brain walks as he probably will, then the band will no longer exist. CD will probably be hidden away by the label as legal wranglings will no doubt result. Axl will be sued for breach of contract and probably lose his advance plus damages. Buckethead held alot of power in the band; he and the rest of us should have been treated better.

why would brain leave? it's not like he has anything better to do... i mean he can still play on buckets records and it's not like he doesn't need the dollars that gn'r bring in, plus last but not least, i think he likes playing infront of thousands of people...

I wouldn't compare Axl's band to Van Halen. Van Halen has a new record deal. Van Halen has a US tour for this summer in the works. Van-Halen.com has a funcioning newsletter. All recent Van Halen rumors have been positive.

If this turns out to be true, this is NOT the end of GnR.

My god, I can't believe so many people believe Buckethead WAS GnR.
For the majority of casual GnR fans, he was too strange and electic to be accepted. Yes, I understand all the guitar afficiando's are thinking the world is ending. Buckethead is a good player & great talent, although I don't think he actually fit into the band. He is (was) a hired gun. IF he's gone, he'll be replaced.
If they end up releasing CD with his guitar on it, so be it. He was (and will) be paid for his work, unless Axl wants it all redone.  And...maybe it's just a threat to try and light a fire under Axl. Who knows.

But if Slash, Izzy, Steven, and Duff can leave GnR without the band dissolving, it can sure as hell survive Buckethead leaving.

i don't know about the intricacies about the relationships between the members of new Guns n Roses, but as far as other members leaving-- why would you hang around on a sinking ship? no matter what happens with CD, this is MORE drama (fact, not opinion) and i could see why someone wouldn't want to be associated with that anymore.
When there was an upswing, and momentum around the 2002 tour, THAT was a good time to be part of this band. Now, on a major downswing, this is a good time to bail, move on, do something new. Guns N Roses, as much as many of you don't want to believe, are largely considered a joke to the general public (not the kind of people who post on fan sites) and this is only going to make it worse. It makes absolute sense for the other guys to bail.

haha...that's hilarious. I would actually like to hear that collaboration. Vh has a record deal, official management, a contract with a major tour promoter for this summer, etc..The band is intact with Sammy Hagar and will be touring this summer.

they havet really survied or failed.... only the new CD will determine this.... so if buckethead is out, nothing changes in the Grand scheme of things... since 2 lead guitarists was never the plan anyways.... Robin was Slashes original replacement....

(Buckethead will start a solo tour Wednesday (March 17), opening for Particle in Austin, Texas. Dates run through April 15 in Atlanta.)

Why doesnt someone go to one of the shows and see what the fuck is going on. Fight your way backstage and demand answers. If you get nothing then go to the next show and pluck feathers from a live chicken. If Bucket still doesnt talk bite the chickens head off and threaten to eat off the head of every chicken in the world. I'm sure Bucket will start to talk.  :hihi: just kidding

But seriously guys/girls come on just calm down and have some patience. How many times have we fallen for another fucked up rumor.(Too many to count). By know you should know to take things with a grain of sand until it comes from Axl or management.

And for those who say fuck Axl and fuck Guns N Roses they are over. I know you will be standing in line with me the day CD is released. Dont give me shit cause I have been waiting just as  long as you have.

what ru talking about we havent seen a new record since they left,and there tour fell apart

gnr can do it they jsut need to have things go there way

I'm going to the Louisville show for Buckethead.  I'll track him down.  Tell me this is all a bad dream or just one big typo.  I didn't go through all eight pages but my god, BUCKETHEAD IS OUT.  What a dissapointing thread, I guess Axl loves negativity.  That's all that seems to go on when it comes to Guns N' Roses.

I hope he finds a guitarist quick or gets gary sunshine to play guitar for him.

I argee with you 100% D on this. If Buckethead is gone for I hope they don't have to erase all of his parts and even more delays.  :-\

I hope that is the case he will just rejoin Guns N' Roses when Axl decides to put the CD out for good and go on tour after it.  :nervous:

But if he is gone for good. I see Brain going next because they are such good friends from what I been reading about them.

I just hope Stinson, Fortus and Chris will stay with Axl and Dizzy.

Maybe Axl would get Steven to replace Brain. And for Buckethead maybe he will get paul, Izzy or Gilby.  

I could see Axl working with Gilby because they did do a two songs together on  June 22nd, 2000, West Hollywood, California, United States at the Cat Club.

I could see that happen before Izzy coming back.

I know this is a very long shot from ever happen but if don't work out for the best with Velvet Revolver for Slash, Dave, Matt, Duff and Scott. Just maybe Axl, Slash, Duff, Matt and Dizzy will get back together.  ;)

Dam this real sucks.  :'(   :nervous:   :confused:

Just to let you guys know...I just attempted posting a message to the administrator on Bucket's site on two occassions....His name is Rupert Pupkin(at least that's his moniker).  The interesting thing is, when you post on BH's site, they will not post your comment unless it is approved by moderators....Usually, the comment gets posted in a matter of seconds, however, in this instance, my comment was not posted in both cases....It doesn't take many cells to deduce what's going on..I doubt I'm the first to alert the site of this development...
     Undetered, I sent the following E-mail to Greg, the site's Webmaster...His E-mail, oddly enough, is greg@bucketheadland.com:

 Greg,
Could you please shed some light on the post which appeared on MTV.com today, which stated that Buckethead has indeed left GNR?  I realize that the GNR board on the site has been taken down for some time now (perhaps its time to take a hint?), but I'm certain you understand, as there are quite a few anxious BucketBots over at the GNR boards..I would be greatly obliged for any info you are able/willing to provide...Many thanks
Cheers
Joe

We'll see if I get a response.

nice job .. i hope u get a reply.... if you do start a new thread since it will prob get lost in all this mess.....

That board is fucking stupid with the No GnR topics...i mean really, WTF he IS or WAS in GnR.... fucking arrogant ass webmaster....

This sucks


I agree with those of you that said the only way for GNR to survive is a reunion.

And it's very odd that we go all this time without any news then we hear all this crap happening......BH out, Steven's tour canceled, VR pushed back again...

Maybe all this happens for a reason......I'd like to think fate played a part in it and all the old members will realize along with Axl that they need each other............

But no one really knows what will happen.  I just hope for the best :peace:

I'm a bit pissed that management has "no comment" god, Why can't they ever give any information? The way sanctuary is run, I am surprised its still in business.

Who cares if Buckets gone?  I hope the door doesn't hit is ass on the way out.  AXL is GNR.  Everybody knows that and so does AXL.   :smoking:

i like that thinking... Ill miss buckethead... ive grown to love him in 4 years as i loved slash... but Robin and Richard are fucking awsome too...

nice job .. i hope u get a reply.... if you do start a new thread since it will prob get lost in all this mess.....

That board is fucking stupid with the No GnR topics...i mean really, WTF he IS or WAS in GnR.... fucking arrogant ass webmaster....

Grog, the webmaster there, although he is very informative, does have a bit of a reputation for feeling a sense of sadistic satisfaction when it comes to fucking with the posters, ESPECIALLY GNR fans...

I?m so sad BH left... now I really don?t see a future for GNR anymore... think I?ll leave too...

But if the band ever continues to exist... get Steven or Josh Freese on drums, Fortus to co-lead guitars with Finck, as BH replacement and ANYONE else as a rythim guitar player.

It?s so sad...

bye.

I can't see how this is anything other than the end of GNR.  Some people say, well Axl will just re-record Buckets stuff and then release it.  How is he going to do that?  Do you really think that the record company is going to give Axl any more money to play with?  By all accounts they're already pissed to the brim with him.  I'm imagine by this point...the record company has told Axl "Give us the fucking album or give us 13.5 million plus interest....your choice"....

I'd be thrilled if Axl just released the album and gave Bucket the credit he deserves for it and for spending 4 years with the band...he's a pretty patient mofo if you ask me.  Then (as a pipe dream) Axl could coax Zakk Wylde into joining....but good luck with that.

Ahh well....here's to velvet revolver I guess....

I wish all the nuGNR fans were as honest as you.  

So if GNR was Axl, a tiger, a lion, and a dancing bear, that'd be ok right?  Cuz Axl is GNR.

Ex-actly.

What has GNR done in the last few years to show they are still relevant to anything?

The release of *one* studio effort (Oh My God)?  Bombed.

The U.S. tour?  Aborted.

The VMA performance?  Ridiculed.

Does anyone here still believe this album is coming anytime soon?  

We've seen the end and we can't hold on now... :'( :'(  :nervous:  :no: :no: :nervous:
Odd how the lyrics say "they've seen the and you can't hold now"
This SUCKS!!! :'( :'( :nervous:  :no: :'( :nervous:

Uh...

Has it occured to you that the people who were against Bucket's prescence in GNR aren't the same people who are crying over his departure?

I agree,that would be enough to make us all ill :nervous:

You might see the end.  I just see the begining.

Yeah, the beginning of the end  :peace:

good to see someone whos optimistic up in all this fucking shit

Did I mention, I think this is the best thing to happen in the last year to the band. Bye Bye Buckethead.

i can speak for myself because i never had much of an opinion on Buckethead but two things:

1. it doesn't matter if it was Fortus or any other member of Guns that is leaving. The larger issue is that Axl can't seem to get enough of it together for long enough to produce any quantifiable results. How much of this is his fault, i can't say and neither can any of you. The larger issue remains that the newest incarnation of Guns n Roses is a constantly evolving being that doesn't stay the same for long enough to give us much of anything.

2. Buckethead, to the people who aren't familiar with his talent (meaning those who are not rabid fans or trolling message boards) think he is wierd and sort of a joke. He is referred to by most of the public (the ignorant public, but the public nevertheless) as "that guy with the KFC bucket". A lot of you here think that he was the savior for Guns (and maybe talent wise, he was) but as far as overall public perception of the new band, i think he was a liability. It's hard to separate yourself from your already formed opinion of him, but if you ask someone who is uninvolved with the whole GnR world, who is not a rabid BH fan, they will tell you that he is wierd.

The larger issue, however, is that this is yet another bump in an interminably long road and it isn't going to make it any easier for Axl, or for us. So again, it would be better for you all if you just stopped trying to devise ways that this could work out. I realize that this board is a lot to most of you and we all get some satisfaction from posting on message boards, but to hold out hope, at this point is rather foolish and makes you, anyone who does, look quite desperate. No offense, you know, but it's time to face the facts.

Obvisouly some people see the glass half empty instead of half full.  I see the glass is half full, condsering they they are billed to play the :smoking: the Rock Fest in Europe

While I think Buckethead was a great player, I think his imagine and musical style was an embarassment to a band which built its reputation on being dangerous, volatile, and raw. Buckethead looked rediculous, and was FAR too polished... god his tone was even wrong with GnR... less treble please.

Fantastic player he was, but NOT for GNR. Most people found him rediculous, he got booed big time at the Toronto show. GNR is hard rock, not weirdo ass space/funk/shred whatever music bucket is into.

He was just a hired gun, so he is EASILY replaceable. I'm still going to Portugal for RIR4.

Gutted if true!!

A sad day indeed

It feels like one of the companies I used to work for (before it went down the drain). The CEO was constantly replacing my coworkers when he didnt 'need' them anymore. Never mind the fact they had children and spouses to feed.
When I joined, it felt like a family.  At the end, it felt like shit.

Because you only see Axl.   You wouldnt mind that dancing bear playing guitar at all, would you now?

What are you talking about, he didn't get booed at all. People went wild for his solo. And I wore a bucket it there to that show, and people would yell at me every to seconds, "YEA BUCKETHEAD RULES!". In fact in line to get metal detected, I got a buckethead chant going..your crazy....crazy..

You guys dont understand. BH was the main reason this band <b>could be a success</b> after all that happened. Many many younger people and guitar lovers and people in the industry had shown new interest in Guns n Roses only and only because of his presense.

I honestly donno what to think now. I have always been a Axl Lover..and many many times have had fights or argument with so called Haters on this board( exp: Booker, Dizzy....etc etc). But perhaps they were right all along???

Look I hate to say this but if this is true, GNR is not gonna be any greater than Ratt or Warrant or Skid Row.. Going through changes and changes and losing more and more credibility on daily basis.... Fuck man who is ever going to take this band seriously now??

I'm really really saddened right now. GNR is gonna be remembered as a band that could have been the next RS but never quite managed....

Agreed. The guy was a freak. His music was lame. He contributed nothing.  Where are all the "Buckethead is better than Slash ever was" losers now? Where are all the "Slash and Duff were at fault for GnR's breakup" losers now?  If it isn't crystal clear to all of you that W. Axl Rose was the single reason the GnR isn't together today, then splash some cold water on your face, drink some black coffee, and WAKE THE F UP!  

I have two words for you all: VELVET REVOLVER

didn't gnr make the RIR 4 annoucement after Buckethead left? it says that buckethead left at the end of last year?

I may be reaching here, could technically couldn't Axl Rose still release Chinese Democracy WITH Buckethead's parts in it? He owns the material, right??

Maybe they could release Chinese Democracy "by Guns N' Roses.......featuring Buckethead". Meaning Buckethead wouldn't be in any of the group shots or part of the logo, but on the back of the jewel case there could be a small picture of him by himself with the small words "Featuring Buckethead."
That could work.......RIIIIIIGHT??  ???

This way, his parts could be kept in, and Axl would record the second album (to follow CD) without Buckethead without people expecting him to be in it.

Is there anyone left now that still believes that Duff and Slash and Izzy were at fault for the break up of the 'real' GnR? Are there any "Axl can do no wrong" believers left that now think Buckethead was wrong, like Slash before him, and Izzy before him, and Duff before him, and Gilby before him, and Matt Sorum, and Steven Adler, and countless producers, and drummers, and Paul Huge, and all the other musicians that have been in and out of GnR since Axl went haywire???

W. Axl Rose has singlehandedly ruined the greatest rock band ever.  And if Buckethead walking out after a failed North American Tour and no shows in Philly and Toronto isn't enough to convince you then...

That's right, kick 'em when they're down...  :peace:

What part of "seven years" don't you understand? This album will never see the light of day. Ever. The only way you'll see it is if Axl dies and the record company released is posthumously.  He will never release it.

I think Buckethead, along with Axl, were the real stars of this new lineup. GNR is in a very tough situation right now.

Here's what I think...Axl is fucked. For now...he needs to just release Chinese Democracy. WITH Buckethead's parts. I know you've all read this a thousand times, I have too, "release the album now, it's been too long!" But this is much different.

CLOSE THIS CHAPTER OF YOUR CAREER ALREADY!! Guns N' Roses hasn't progressed forward since when, 1996?? It's 2004. All of these past years have all been in anticipation of the release of CD. Sure there was OMG, some touring (...you know), the VMA's...but it all has led up to nothing. It almost makes you wonder if an album even exists, or if Axl is just trying to build a lot of excitement and hype just for fun (I know this isn't true, but hopefully you see my point).

He needs to release it now, before this drags on any longer. Unless if Axl thinks Buckethead's solos sucked ass (which I doubt), he should not re-record anything at all. I'm sure it is an amazing album, and just because he can't tour with the same lead guitarist...is no reason to spoil anything incredible that may be on the album.

If I was Axl, I would release Chinese Democracy to finally end the chapter of these last 7-8 years or so, then get a strong lineup together, rehearse, then tour. This would also hopefully clean up his relationship with Geffen (which would help Axl immensely if he wants to carry on with GNR).

If Eddie and Alex Van Halen joined GNR, that would be incredible. Or vice-verse (Axl joining Van Halen). I know it's not a real possibility, and I am hoping for a VH tour this summer anyways, but still, what a lineup.

Zakk Wylde would be great, but I just dunno if he would do it. Excellent guitarist though.

I don't think that just having Robin and Richard would be enough though. When I think of GNR, I think of Axl and one amazing, very unique lead guitarist alongside him...first Slash, then Buckethead. Both very different from eachother yet similar. Distinct style, great abilities.

Axl could end it all now, he could join an existing band/get a new one going, ...but after $13.5 million, I just can't see him NOT releasing Chinese Democracy. If he releases it now, all (or at least most) will be forgiven and most people will be able to move on, including Axl.

But damn. Fuck you Axl. Love your music, but...get it together man. :-\

I don't even know if this post makes any sense at all, it's late, I'm tired, and I'm really really pissed about this. haha. I know it sounds kinda lame I guess but now half of the reasons why I was looking forward to CD (Buckethead and Axl) is now gone. None of the other members really excite me that much I suppose.

 :(

Over the past years I've seen rumors and everything come and go. But this is the first time where I acutally think that this is it.......I believe it's really over.

Blah, blah, blah... these conversations are getting boring. Who cares who was at fault and who wasn't. The sad thing is when the guys from the original band are old and useless and sitting in a nursing home they can all sit back and sulk about how they could have been the biggest band ever but instead threw it all away. Their whole story should be a public service commercial to pursuade kids that drugs are bad. They all wasted their 15 minutes of fame. Ego, ego and more ego. And now we're suppose to sit back and watch axl become more and more of a joke and then go out and buy a CD from Velvet Revolver to finance Weiland's drug habit. Sometimes I wish I never bought appetite for destruction!

God, this is really depressing.

I'm sad.

There are very few people who can fill Brian Carrol's bucket.

Axl better fucking call Zakk Wylde.

Guns N' Roses' label would not comment on Buckethead's departure.

I think the saying NO NEWS IS GOOD NEWS really isnt the case here.

u guys are missing my point, if axl moves guns n roses forward without the original members then losing bucket or whomever is gonna be the end of guns n roses

im buying the greatest hits next tuesday
why not?

pat-- i agree with what you are saying, but its not going to happen.
The right time to release it would have been either shortly after the VMAs or shortly after or before the 2002 tour... that was when there was momentum behind GnR. Now? does anyone really think that Axl or whoever else is responsible for CD is going to release it when they are on the downswing? it doesn't work that way. Axl has waited 7 years, trying to get CD as perfect as he possibly can and he's going to suddenly release it in a panic when the shit has hit the fan?
fact: the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.
Axl, though he certainly should, is not going to release CD anytime soon. The recent developments are only going to shelve it that much longer.
Buckethead's contibutions to the band (and all of us are never going to agree on this) are really secondary to the undeniable fact that his departure is just another, like is said before, bump in the road for a band on crutches.

I spoke with my friend today (the one who used to do music PR who has actually met Axl (i think i have mentioned this in another thread). She is the one who told me a few weeks ago that CD was done. I asked her tonight if she heard anything and she said "i don't think anyone ever thought CD was going to be released" and echoed a lot of your sentiments about it possibly being released posthumously.

Face the music kids. It's over.

Anyone else find it odd that the article just had.. "his manager said" stuff like that.. no specific quotes relating to Buckets departure??

BH never really talks much..lets others do that talking for him

D you ended up buying Jovi's This Left feels Right too didnt u?? LOL you have lost your credibility as a poster in my eyes *kiddin*  :hihi:

I bought it.. and I ordered the DVD today  : ok:

Back on topic.. back what I said before.. does anyone find it odd that it just said "his manager said".. NO specific quotes relating to his departure at all..

I'll throw my penny in the wishing well here:

-GNR is not over until they cancel on Rock In Rio 4 (which is looking liklier by the day).
-AXL ROSE likely has done all the vocals for the new album (i hate the title "chinese democracy") but won;t put it out until he's got vocals down on all the songs he's been making with the band.
-Perhaps another reason that GNR hasn't come out with the new record is because it doesn't live up to the spirit of the old GNR. You can't recreate it in the studio - you need to create it through adventures outdoors (see the 1985 Seattle shows).

THis is retarded now. Im especially ashamed of some of the fans who have previously posted in blind defense of Axl. Sure, I love Axl as much as any of his ball lickers - but there comes a point where you gotta be honest and fess up how he's been a fuck up the last 4 years. All I can say is that these last 4 years of madness sure put me straight.

My life is together now. I give all the credit to the past legacies of GNR. I will continue to be inspired it, and I would prefer to never hear another new GNR album if it doesn't live up to past spirit.

MNR

sad day. But i think this is official.

I recall Laswell said Bucket was sick. We now know that Laswell was telling the truth about everything. I wonder if Bucket's sickness is indeed serious.

umm Toronto wasn't a no show, it was actually a huge selling success and one of the best performances on th Tour. Vancouver was the other no show..

 :hihi:Axl is not the only one to blame in this whole thing if it is true.Maybe Bucket decided that GN'R was not right for him.I had never heard of Bucket until he joined GN'R and so I don't know what his playing sounds like. :peace:

Yea, right, like Zakk would want to be associated with Axl.

Gonna miss ya buddy. See ya down the road.  : ok:




As for the redhead, another richly deserved middle finger salute.  :rant:

I guess I just dont want to face facts  :'(

Looks like he is sick... sick of Axl

To me, it's not official quite yet. I need an official announcement for sure. MTV reported Axl playing music in a strip club and it really wasn't confirmed. MTV wouldn't report something they knew was a rumor, but may have run with something that wasn't concrete.

What can I say, I'm holding out hope here.

I think if BH is out that sucks and there is nobody to blame but Axl. This was supposed to be the new GnR...not the revolving door GnR. After a while you have to admit what the problem is. Or rather...who it is.

Axl should drop that album now. Just get it out man, while GnR is in the news more than ever.

Off course it would be great, but he would never get out of BLS and Ozzy to go to GN'R... maybe in 1995, but not today.

So it's come down to this.....
No word...   No lead guitar...  No album...  No sign of tour....  No news....   No nothing.  RIR doesn't even look good now folks.

To all of you who said "the album will never come out," I never believed you.  I thought you were just fed up and didn't care.

It turns out... you're right.  

Does anyone see hope for this band?  Does anyone see any logical reason that this will continue?  I've read some comments, and most are just plain pitiful.  C'mon people.... is this truely it??  :crying:

Im holding out too.. as I said.. that article didnt have any specific quotes at all.. just "his manager said".. you never know I guess *fingers crossed*

If you are in a GN'R board, I just think you got some hopes too...

Off course there's a CD, but right now I fell a little like you...

We had worst times as GN'R fans, didn't we?

Just wait a little more and see what is really going to happen.

But then again RIR III didn't produce much, neither did the VMA performance, or the last tour.

So this doesn't look very hopeful.

I have to wait for concrete confirmation on the BH issue.

It looks very bleak right now. I'd need a couple more things confirmed before I'd throw the towel in 100%.

What would suck more than anything is if he released the LP and it sucked on top of it. LOL. That would be a slow painful death indeed.

My opinion on this matter:

First of all, I always liked Finck better than Buckethead. The guy just doesn't have a stage presence...

Second, since he signed a contract, Axl can use all the parts he recorded for Chinese Democracy.

Third, I still believe that GN'R will play RIR4, they'll just do it with 2 guitar players. How unusual for GN'R, huh?

Fourth, why in God's name was Buckethead the future of GN'R? He totally changed their sound to more electronic.

And just because Buckethead left it doesn't mean that Brain will leave. Brain was in the band before Buckethead.

Let's just stay calm and wait for some update from management or Axl. If this is true, something's gotta happen in the next few days...

So much for the new GN'R.  Buckethead was THE new part of Guns N' Roses that really excited me, that made me feel like the new band could be a worthy successor to the old.  With his exit, all those hopes have gone out the window. I loved Buckethead...he was far and away the coolest part of the new GN'R.  Now it's back to being just Axl and a whole bunch of guys who aren't the original band.  I mean, sure, the new band has mostly got excellent rock 'n' roll pedigrees - except for Richard "N'Stync" Fortus - but they don't have anything to really draw attention to the new band.

Buckethead was an individual that really got people talking.  I mean, how many people in the 2002 tour came with KFC buckets on their heads?  That kind of fan reaction is something you don't want to lose.  Some of you have said that Buckethead made the new band look freaky.  Yeah?  They've already got Robin Finck, of the goth makeup, and a 40-year-old Axl with botox, braids, and massive sports jerseys.  I don't see how Buckethead could make them any less weird than they already are.  If you're going to go with weird (and, hey, it's certainly more interesting than being just another faceless modern rock band), you might as well go all the way with Buckethead.  A true individual who's a virtuoso on his instrument, with mystery and an instantly recognizable aura.  If anybody could have been a worthy successor to Slash, it was Buckethead.  Unless Axl somehow talks Tom Morello into a slot in GN'R, I think that particular title is dead in the water.

I can't take this.  The new lineup is nothing without Buckethead.  And I mean that.  The band doesn't have that much chemistry together, certainly nowhere near that of the old band.  Axl, while still possessing the best voice in rock 'n' roll, is a recluse who can't release any music or make a move at all.  And he inspires me much less than the young, rebellious Axl of old (although I suppose that can't really be helped...never mind).  Basically, Buckethead was the saviour of the new GN'R, the one thing that would help catapult them into the future.  And now he's gone.

The bleakest day for Guns N' Roses fans since Duff left the band.

 :(

Yeah, I say give it at least until RIR4.  With the already somewhat questionable appearance at RIR4 for Gn'R, and now with Buckethead leaving and it being announced on MTV, I would think they'd have to issue some sort of press release confirming whether they're still going to be performing there.

Buckethead's leaving sucks, but it's not the end of the world.  This is a band of many skilled musicians. together for four years without releasing any music, it seems feasible that one or two might get frustrated and leave, regardless of whether the full situation is fucked or not.

There's still hope this NEW gnr will survive. I think if RIR is cancelled then it's all over, i will almost give up waiting for this band unless axl has put some effort to get a new guitarist for RIR

and how is buckethead a savior for gn'r? How many tunes of his have you heard that he wrote especially for gn'r? How do you know he even wrote anything? people are being overly dramatic....Savior my ass, yeah he could play guitar real well....but i stiill have yet to hear any of his songs with gn'r.....Don't know what you got til it's gone? well he's gone and we got pretty much nothing....and if he created savior like music with the band, it will be released im sure....

Wheres Davegnr2k in this matter?  I'm sure he'll give us ANOTHER release date or time we'll have the album in our hands now that Bucket is gone, LOL.  Just trying to lighten the mood a bit for us.  On a more serious note this isn't confirmed just yet.  RIR4 will have all the answers.

And one more thing.

It's not GN'R who got famous when Buckethead joined.

It's Buckethead who got famous (and sold many cd's, and earned lots of fans) when he joined GN'R.

true.....Probably has enough cash to buy as many horror movie novelties as he wants.

I don't wanna start a buckethead bashing thread but i was never a fan of his work and though i would prefer him in GNR than gone, i hope axl gets a new guitar player who's got some rock n roll spirit in him

i like the element buckethead brought to gnr, i was sold after i heard his revamped nightrain solo, i was so hyped up about this new band, excited to see what this guy can do playing rock n' roll on chinese democracy instead of that hillbillly chicken stuff he plays on his solo albums, i really am depressed now for gnr, i don't even wanna check this site, but i'm an addict and i need info so i'm back. i sure hope this isn't official, maybe just something to stir the pot, fuck too much wishful thinking in the gnr world.

i don't doubt that someone could take bucketheads spot, as stated many times if slash can be replaced, so can buckethead, but its just on going, and i don't wanna fuckin wait another year for someone to redo bucketheads shit.  i believe if buckethead doesn't return for rock in rio, than chinese democracy will go down in history as the greatest album that was never released, cause if the other band members have to wait another year or two for someone to do bucketheads guitars on the album, they'll all slowly leave one by one, till all thats left is axl, and a name that used to stand for baddest rock band on the planet, guns n' roses



rock n' roll

I think it's over now.. It seams like Axl can't do anything right at the moment.. It's sad. And I hate that Axl or Geffen can't give any stright information.

I love Gn'R :)

I can't say I'm disappointed. Without question, BH is an amazing player with great skill. But there were times that his style just sounded horrible over the old material... and to be honest I don't think I could have given him a fair chance unless CD came out with his contributions on it. Until then all we could hear was really his interpretation of a bunch of songs he had nothing to do with (other than going out and playing them years after they were created). If I could hear him playing on a group of songs he really contributed to (more than the 5 we got to hear), then I'd have a good idea of what he was able to bring to the table. It's hard for me to get a grasp of what someone adds to a situation without being given an album to sit down and see what musical statement he made. Having a bunch of bootlegs of him noodling a solo for YCBM doesn't cut it. His other work doesn't help because it's not in the context of axl's songwriting. But that's just me.

As far as a replacement, I don't see why there needs to be 3 players anyways. I always felt it was just result of Tobias being in the group. Fortus even said in an interview he was supposed to be in the band before Buckethead came along, so why not leave it how axl "originally" planned it - finck and fortus. Let Dizzy and Pittman fill in any musical gaps with keyboards on tour and leave it with 2 guitarists.

Slash left because of mainly music differences I believe. BH has left because he is tired of sitting around doing nothing ?!?!  

Like I said before, now Axl is gonna get laughed at even more and more....Like I said, this is starting to sound like some 80s rocknroll wanna be back like Ratt or Warrant going through line up changes... next thing u know, Axl will be performing infront of 10 hard-core 50yr old fans in some club in Vegas......

Fuck man this is sooo sad

thats it...i think GNR are done
wonder whats gonna happen in RIR...whos gonna play guitar in place of bucket..the nightrain solos :crying:
man if its true then is seriously fucked....ive had it with GNR..even scott weiland whos high seems to have his mind less clouded than axl

Well before I had a reason to defend Axl now I dont!!!   :'(

Fuck now I have to settle down for next best thing which is listening to Scot and wasting my money on his drug problem

man these guys should atleast make it official...instead of us having to belive a stupid article on mtv
and if these gyus dont plan to release an album (as seems to be the case) axl shud jus say "hey i m a goddamn loser..who's just been fuckin with u gyus..i don have no album to give you" and get it over with
well as mysteron said rir 4 is judgement day

jesus christ!! i can't believe you people!
i haven't logged in here for ages, but this i wanted to get off my chest. buckethead's alleged departure is NOT the en of guns n' roses. yes, he was an amazing guitar player, but i really think the band can manage without him. it's not like "chinese democracy" was going to see the light of day anytime soon anyhow, so cheer the fuck up. axl has pulled through things like these before. yes, it's a blow, and a big one, but it's not the end of the world. did you people forget what we have seen and heard from axl the past 3 years? songs like "madagascar" and "the blues" are not gonna make guns n' roses just another skid row. "chinese democracy" will see the light of day, and you'll all buy it. AND love it. even your morons who said that you were going to boycott it. we'll see what happens next. guns n' roses is alot of fun. i'm out

Mattman, I agree with everything you said...Saddest day since Duff walked away.  I'm really getting sick of all these clearly inspired, yet delusional comments on this board about what Axl will do next....He COULD have a revolving door of 75 more guitarists come in, he COULD play sold out shows across the world...He COULD release 7 albums in 5 years with 300 songs on them....He COULD theoretically become vocalist for VR if Weiland can't handle more than 3 hours on the road...I'd bet my life on the chance that Axl will do NONE of the above....It's not "just another blow", it's indicative of a much larger problem.  Axl can't be relied upon to "get his shit together" for any meaningful length of time.
He WAS the saviour for this band..Not to take anything away from the other musicians, but most of the respect that this new incarnation was getting from the musical community came from Bucket's involvement..No, that's too generalizing of a statement..He's no Slash, but Fuck-all, Slash is sure as hell no Bucket....Flame away, but the guy has an unmistakable aura and a larger than life CHARACTER, with inhuman technical proficiency to boot.....This was the intangible that made the band special....The arguments about his "freakish" apprearance hold no merit whatsoever and are flat out sophomoric and boring...If you feel the need to be that superficial, go watch the OC and wax your eyebrows...If anything, Axl should be wearing a mask to hide all the Botox injections and chemical peelings, but I digress...Do you see how moronic the appearance arguments sound??  The whole band looks like a bunch of disjointed freaks, but at the very least it made them stand apart from the pack.
  Don't fire back with optimistic rationalizations like "We've never heard him on any material, therefore, he's replaceable."  I said before, as a 7 year fan, in my eyes, he's NOT, I assure you....The post earlier by SlashsAxl referring to the "Hillbilly-Chicken stuff" he plays on his records is just pure ignorance...You don't like the material, fine, but don't demean the ability or the playing by diluting it into some uninformed statement like that.   I recommend listening to more than a few tracks before making your judgment....The man play all genres with unmatched adeptness.
  What's the other argument on this board?  Oh...the "ROCK" attitude....give me a break....how fickle....you can throw together all of these pseudo music journalistic descriptive phrases like this: "LA strip club rock n roll decadent punk-inflected self destuctive dangerous sleaze", and what does it amount to?....Yes, we all know the original GNR lived their music, and it created a combustible element...fantastic...How long has it been since any member of GNR, past or present, conducted their lives in that manner?...Do you miss it?  Great, but that edge was gone in 1990, so faulting the new band for lacking such an attribute is pointless.
  By Buckethead creating his own character and following his own muse, living his life without a concern in the world for outside influence, THAT'S ROCK N' ROLL!!  Fuck, Johnny Cash was far from a Rock icon as determined by your definitions, didn't record any dirty sleazy blooze Aerosmith boogies, yet he's more Rock and Roll than any of us taking shelter behind our PC's could ever hope to be....It's all abouT how you conduct your life, not setting parameters for yourself...That's more punk rock than coming out in black leather and red hair, with a padlock around your neck....He's a little to tough for some on here to package in a neat little shoebox and digest, so what?

I'm miserable about this!  

I'm sorry I disagree. Big Blow was when Duff and Slash left. Guns was still really popular etc etc. The only thing that was shinning some hope on the situation in past 2-3yrs was the fact that BH was there. You think if Axl goes to re-do the part in 3-4 yrs from now anyone is actually gonna give a fuck???
Yes Sounds like Blues and CD are fun and great to listen to, but I'm starting to get embarressed of supporting GNR. Cause nothing seem to go right with them....

I'm starting to feel like GNR was the one legendry back that fucked everything up and is still doing it  :rant:

if it embareses you, then why the fuck do you support it?

Please read again..I said I'm starting to get embaressed..up until today I told everybody to fuck off and still did..But if things keep on getting worse, I dont think I will....

Very true..Great post!

that's your choice. but then what's the point of defending them now? guns n' roses has always been an unpredictable band, and i'm glad it continues to be. axl rose is an unpredictible man, and that, along with his presence and talent, is what makes him so great. he will pull through this, no doubt, just hang in there. we'll get rewarded for our wait, i'm sure of it. music is supposed to be fun anyway. if you're fed up with the band, take a fucking break from them. simple as cake.

Take your word for it buddy..I have been hanging in for pretty long

:)
so have i.
i've been waiting for this album for five or six years now.
i still believe axl will make a comback better than we can all imagine. this guy is incredibly talented and creative.
peace

They didnt survive losing Slash.

Fuck! just heard the news.. :crying:

Just wondering that what does Dizzy's wife knows about anything...Yesterday She said that buckehead is in and now we heard this...

can somebody put the link here of this "news" from mtv ?! please?

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1485811/20040317/guns_n_roses.jhtml?headlines=true (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1485811/20040317/guns_n_roses.jhtml?headlines=true)

If this story is proved to be true, I must say I don't understand  Buckethead's decision. He may have been bored with GN'R's inactivity, but he's had plenty of liberty to play. He's released several albums in the last few years, participated to every god-forsaken project on this planet and has toured throughout the US and also Europe recently. It's not like he was sitting on his ass doing nothing.
He can't be leaving out of sheer boredom. Something else must have happened.... maybe disagreements on the musical direction or bad relationships with the members of the band  :-\

it is not really official just because it is on MTV. a rather week article. there is no good reason for Bucket to leave GNR. he has time to make his Solo CDs and to go on tour. what is the problem?

I'm absolutely destrought. If RiR4 turns out to be a shambles like the last one, if we're going to be waiting over the summer.....autumn....winter, again with no word of anything, then that will be it for me.

I will take all of my Guns music, videos, dvds, posters, memorabilia and put it all in a box in the attic and remove all saved lins to GnR sites. Because I can't deal with this anymore. I've pinned so much on this for so long, I've believed in Axl and what he's been trying to do for the last 10 years and Madagascar has been my personal anthem since Rio 3.

I've change from feeling he doesn't owe us anything to feeling like we deserve not to hear news like this from MTV of all places and have to speculate for weeks on end about whether the band we've loved and supported through so much shit is not going to be there for us in return.

For everyone who think the whole situation can?t getting worser. Imagine Axl shows up at RIR4 with a guitar in his hands trying to play some of Bucketheads solos....*yuck*

Sorry for the sarcasm, but it is such a sad day...

C ya

Matt.E.Zin

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Next changes in Guns n Roses? It looks on it, that premiere of new material becomes less credible ' ' more Guns n Roses guitarist has left group - exactly, Buckethead. There can be uncomforted such development of (evolution of) situation , so, usually personal changes caused, that sole original member (limb) was sewed up in studio ( ' ' ) Axl Rose Guns n Roses and material recorded again. Case is in so far as serious, that work last over round titled from 7 lat (summer; year) " " already Chinese Democracy. They let's remember, that they have summoned plant for court (trial) ' ' Guns n Roses Universal Music, which  has issued them biggest hits . By the reason of indignation one Axla and there was companies balk other, that could pull back note round of group again COMPILATION. Really have plate (disc) appear actual therefore, soon? Believe to it heavily. While it's known < known > that only, that court (trial) has recognized (has regard) summons for unfounded and it will not be occupied (dealt with) case.

Thanks RZ4

Well...

1 - I can think that BHEAD is tired ( like we are ) of this long wait... he just want to put a record out and play the songs, well, 4 years and just a few shows and NO RECORD OUT... that?s why maybe he tough "fuck this, I already recorded my parts 1 year ago, I have to move on..." ( like SORUM said when he left the band, that he just want to play and doesn?t want to keep waiting axl?s laws... and he came back to THE CULT )

2 - MAYBE BHEAD was just a TEMPORARLY MEMBER OF THE BAND, that his contract was just something like "you?ll contribuite with the new GNR album and tour a little bit", that?s why GNR have 3 GUITARRISTS...

4 - BHEAD just listened the full record now and tough "NOTHING SPECIAL, I?VE DONE THINGS BETTER IN MY OWN SPACE" and just left GNR, but he?ll leave with him the "ego" and respect of beeing a member ( ex? ) of one of the best bands in the world -> GNR - and DEFINATELY it will help him to sell a lots of records and put his name on top

5 - All the new members contract: "DON?T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT CHINESE DEMOCRACY" means that Axl knew since the beggining that something may change since ?99 ( PAUL TOBIAS, BHEAD... )

just my thoughts...

(SORRY THE ENGLISH! I?m doing the best I can...)

Oh yeah badgirl, believe me, I completely agree with you. CD should have been on the shelves after the VMAs or coinciding with the 2002 tour...but as you know, Axl fucked that up as well (although I guess there's no way to really prove whether or not this was his fault).

Still, it really should have been out by now. I was just saying it's either now or later in the future, where nobody except us fans won't really care at all...

Sure, I'm waiting for a few other albums to released and I'm looking forward to those. But this one...so much hype and mystery to it, I just gotta hear this to see what has taken so long...

Oh yeah, and while Axl may think it's a great idea to learn guitar...it's not, in my opinion.

In my eyes, James Hetfield is an ultimate frontman as a singer/rhythm guitarist. Axl is an ultimate frontman as just a singer...imagine a GNR concert where he's pretty much tied to the stage because he has to handle guitar duties.

Normally I would support a singer learning guitar, but in this case, I think it would really really hurt GNR's live show, not having Axl able to just run around and do his thing.

Zakk Wylde is one of the only people who I think can take BHead's spot...dunno if he will though.

I don't see Zakk and Axl lasting 10 minutes in the same band.  Think about it, Zakk is a huge, bad ass dude.  Axl is a little whiny control freak.  

After about 10 minutes Axl would go, "Hey Zakk, stop drinking so much.  You need to go back and fix that last solo, it wasn't perfect.  Better do 34 takes of it, just to make sure you get one that I can use."

And then Zakk would kick Axl's ass and leave.

Im suprised Dark and Pilferk have not had much input in this thread.

Dark has some inside connections from what we have heard in the past and Pilf is a fountain of knowledge.

Maybe there investigating as we speak.

Nice post ONEWAY. "IT'S ALL OVER NOW BABY BLUE". How sad. I really just wish Axl would take all this material and release a few eclectic solo records. Just end the Gnr thing. Give the record company Chinese to release as Gnr since the cat is already out of the bag, and Geffen paid for it. Then, he can negotiate out of the contract so you can have the rest of the music released as solo material. The Gnr thing is just too much pressure for the guy to handle by himself-the touring etc etc. This way he doesn't have to re-record parts everytime someone gets fed up with him.  :(

I really surprises me that some of you even consider that Axl might play guitar a whole show, or rythmn guitar to fill up. Ofcourse NOT.....  :P

Not too much to say on this, really.  The extent of my 'inside connections' consists of a guy (a radio station program director, if anyone cares) who happens to know people @ Geffen and a girl who works in radio promotion (she works for a CC station - my other friend does not)

99% of the info I get my hands on comes from (supposedly) the Geffen side of the fence.. my guess is they don't know much about this... I went ahead and left a voice mail for my friend - if he has anything interesting when he gets back to me, I'll share.

I think its going to be alot harder for him to get any info out of Geffen now, though - since there's a lawsuit involved.. people tend to get alot more tight-lipped than usual in those situations.. we'll see, though.

Not to sound like an elitist - but there's some info that I come across that I basically dont share here and keep it to our chatroom..mostly because I might not be real confident in the details of it but it still makes for good conversation or whatever... and the message board crowd will start shouting FAKE! BOGUS! DIE SCUM! if they think they see a reason something doesn't connect.

Always remember, we each only have a piece or pieces of the puzzle - and NONE of us knows what the picture on the box looks like.  That's the nature of the beast.. and the information flow for GNR is alot more fucked than it is for anything even approaching 'normal'.

As far as Pilferk?  A fountain of knowledge doesn't even begin to describe him.  I consider the guy a friend and I absolutely love his analysis and commentary on the issues.  He's a great guy to talk to and his thoughts on this type of stuff are usually thought provoking, to state the least.  I'm sure he'll be around, eventually - I dont even think he's online yet, since he hasn't dropped by the chatroom.

-darknemus

a lawsuit? buckethead leaving???I wonder when we coild expect the announcement that RIR will not happen .......

sad day :o

What chatroom is that?

what a shame, the shit has hit the fan...if its true....

whos next to go? place ya bets now!

thank god !!!!!


the freak is gone !!!!

Well I can't really say I'm surprised by Buckethead's departure...am a little sad for Axl (but then again, I've been feeling"a little sad" for Axl since the VMA performance)--I'm not bashing, it's just hard to watch another human being (who is obviously talented enough to bring a lot of soul rejuvenation to so many people via creating music) going through such a difficult struggle...I hope he's learning a lot about choices and consequences...Good Luck Axl :)

As Freddie would say "Another one bites the dust" :hihi:

Is Axl really that hard to get along with or is BH just tired of waiting?  ???

Either way, this can't be good.  :no:

Probably both.

I tend not to post during the evening hours (EST).  Work allows me to triple and quadruple task (meaning post)...home doesn't afford the same opportunities (without severly pissing off the wife, that is). :)

Now, my feelings.  I doubt MTV would make up the story, or would print it without some heavy duty confirmation.  That being said, Bucket may very well have a contract.  If that's the case...I see things getting ugly.  Lawsuit ugly....but either way, unless Axl can make nice nice with Bucket in very short order, I suspect that we've seen the last of Bucket as a GnR member.

He left GnR because over the last few years, Axl has lost almost every last shred of his credibility.  Axl is on his way to becoming a bigger joke than David Lee Roth....a complete "has been."  Thats what Bucket wanted to move away from.  

Hey Mysteron, care to shed some light on this situation for us?   :hihi:

Well, if you follow this path, Axl has been a "has been" to the public for almost 10 years now, so Bucket would have thought about that before joining the band. That makes no sense  ::)
Plus I doubt that a guy who wears a bucket on his head and has a "stranger than strange" image cares so much about so-called credibility and being around wacky people.

This thing's getting really fucked.

call me optimistic but i don`t believe mtv. there is no good reason for BH leaving. he has enough time to do everything he wants. Mysteron said he has an contract. if there are problems they will work it out.

Just a thought...if BH has left because he's unhappy with Axl's procrastination, then maybe, just maybe, this will make Axl think about releasing CD sooner rather than never.

And then we will all be thanking BH for at least making SOMETHING HAPPEN.

Can't wait for Axl to start ranting....

When I saw this I was very dissapointed, but I think that this has been in the works for a long time.  If Bucket was leaving it was porbably brought to AXL's attention several months ago.  Even if the Bucket is gone, GnR is not dead by any means.  If they do add another guitar player, I would bet that he's been working on the album and learning his parts for months now.  Therefore the six or so months delay of things.  For some reason this new band has the ability of keeping everything a secret, so why couldn't they hide the fact that Bucket's out and some else is in the band???  AXL, I STILL BELIEVE!!!.................................. :smoking:

hopefully this thing can get sorted out doon

First off you need to get a clue.
2nd why are  you trying to turn this into a who broke up gnr thread AGAIN.

Slash and duff left gnr bc they didnt like the musical direction of the band.
Buckethead left because Axl was taking too long putting out the album.
Big difference.
Get a clue.

That would be nothing short of a miracle.

I think that she never told that...she just told that Dizzy hadn't said that thing.

I honestly don't know

If he does want to leave Guns n'roses, then it probably would be a good move to tell management so they can cancel his contract. It's no good getting his manager to tell MTV. Life doesn't quite work like that  :hihi:

So what you're saying is that management hasn't been consulted already and knows nothing about this?

 :rant: :crying: :rant: :rant:CD is gonna take another decade b4 it comes out :rant:  :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying:

major loss for gnr. many loved b-head, many thought it was a ridiculous circus-like act that didn't belong in a rock band. but either way, he got people talking about gnr.

i went to the chicago show with my wife and she was very skeptical heading in. but she couldn't take her eyes off of b-head the whole show. she loved him. she can't wait to go see him again next month in philly.

i'm sorry but if buckethead or anyone else working if axl decides to leave on their own terms I really can't blame them. axl certainly has that same attitude.  i think ALL of the new music is great i liked the new band but you can't expect people to wait forever.  i am just surprised it wasn't finck.  also, lets face it this shouldn't be called Guns and Roses but it is because if it was the "axl rose solo project" he wouldn't have received 13 million or all these years to complete it.

Not to be an a$$hole, but I think Slash is still the greatest lead guitarist in GNR history!!!

I listen to the old material.  The new GNR doesn't exist to me anymore, and it is sad to see loyal fans get played like this.  

LISTEN TO OLD SCHOOL GNR and forget the new band.  Chinese Democracy is NEVER coming out (until proven otherwise).  There are plenty of bootlegs of the old band to keep us happy.  

Three things;

I think I read somewhere that Dizzy's wife does not want any reference made to her w.r.t. situations relating to Guns n'roses, so I think we should respect that

Secondly, if you feel the need to point fingers at people, then point them at Buckethead. There's nothing wrong with wanting to leave Guns n'roses, but I do think he has handled the situation in a childish, amatuerish way not befitting of a Guns n'roses guitarist

Lastly, although the situation does look mighty bleak, it is worth pointing out that there has been no official confirmation yet of Buckethead's departure. Also, looking again at the MTV article, they stated that Buckethead had left Guns n'roses before only to return again later. So, really, it is only their opinion we are going on at present that this current "departure" is permanent. Maybe he just gets a massive rush of hormones every winter or something  :hihi:

Well if its confirmed Buckethead has left i too have to say that its well and truly over.

Axl could still release the album with the remaining guitarists or hire someone else like Zakk, but it just wouldnt be the same. If Axl ever wanted GnR to be huge again he had to have an ace up his sleeve, that ace was Buckethead, a guy with immense talent who would have got
people to stand up and notice. The other guitarists Finck and Fortus are good in their own right, but i doubt they could awake a huge following.

I had always thought this year and the last couple of years were the perfect time to release CD. Maybe its time for Axl to call it a day and make a press release to that effect, maybe he should release the album as a solo effort and not use the name GnR.

Is it the end???     I think it probably is.

You're kidding, right?  Guns N' Roses (and more importantly it's current head Axl) is synonymous with childish and amatuerish behavior.

It's not the end of the world. He's only a guitar player, and as with most things in life, they are replaceable  :hihi:

This time though, his manager told the press he was leaving. That didn't happen the last (few) time(s). We don't know what's going on but even if he has not canceled his contract or anything, I don't think it's good for the sake of the band that someone who wants to leave is "forced" to stay in the band because of his contract. Maybe that's why he decided to leave by himself. I'm surprised the management does not know anything because according to his manager, he told Axl he was leaving a while ago...

T'is true  :rofl:

You know what I am getting at though

Yes, I do, but I couldn't let that one get pass unchallenged; I mean, honestly how could I allow that word choice to stand?   ;)

Do you not remember though last year when Buckethead's record label were spreading the same rumors. I think, to be fair, that MTV could have probably found a source and did this same story a year or so ago

I wonder if Buckethead's mind just changes from day to day

this is what i meant to write


great post, I agree with you one hunderd percent...i am still pissed that i paid for tickets and hotel and bus fare for philly and DC to have both shows canceled.   axl has been a baby his entire career and if every member decides to quit more power to them..  finally, i don't care how much money he has mad in his career if he decides to fight geffen over the masters he will lose and lose all of his money in legal fees.  i know this is selfish and CHILDISH but the thought of a pennyless axl performing in branson, MO is pretty funny

i agree 100% with your thrid point. all hope certainly is not lost at this point.

but your second point is just hilarious. talk about a BIASED opinion of axl.

if anything, b-head is following the standard PERFECTLY that axl practices for gnr.

mysterion, what do you think the probability of mtv being mistaken is?

I totally agree. Axl is massively eccentric, massively unpredictable and sometimes very childish  :hihi:

However, just because the sky is blue doesn't mean the grass has to be too, hence the topic here is not Axl, it's Buckethead, and as such, expectations are different

I hope we find out something for sure today. :nervous:

Who knows. I don't know Buckethead. It could be very true for all I know

Hmm, to quote Aerosmith, "Dream On, Dream On, Dream On, Dream On ..."   :hihi:

Getting something official from Guns N Roses is like getting the truth from a politician.

Well the fat lady ain't singing yet..but I think she's warming up for one helluva song..... :hihi:

Hope not though.

In all fairness, I don't remember that but I do remember rumors about Buckethead leaving though. I did not know they came from his record label -- that's interesting.

I don't know Buckethead at all but I reckon he can act a little weird from time to time (as everyone else, no?), and his departure could be one of these situations...?!

bucket has shows in april and june, plus a summer that looks to be quite loaded, performing with the campy and ridiculous Claypool, Laswell, and Bootsy. I don't think this was an easy decision for Bucket: how is he ever going to play at MSG in front of a sold out audience when he only jams with these silly charicatures. Right now, Bucket is no longer commericially viable; he is back to a cult figure which should no doubt please his die hard fans. as for reconciliation, i doubt it also. When your manager tells MTV it's over, it's over. Plus he supposedly told Axl he was out himself late last year. This isn't a spur of the moment decision because Laswell hinted at a split, the message board was taken down, and yesterday it was all made official.

regarding that BH news.
and all the answers the band members gave us and all, knowing shit.

maybe that new Guns n Roses, is really ONLY axl's work.
maybe he controls everything.
he writes guitars, drums, harmonica, trumpet , work onpro tools, DOES everything ?

i mean, BH leaving ? u dont leave your band like that, after all the work(??) he's done and all .. i can't see someone leaving like that if he is really interested in the band ...

cause, i dontknow, did BH just waisted 3 years of his life ? does he care about the band ?
if he doesnt, who does ? axl .....

the only solution i see is that axl controls, makes, creates everything.
all the music comes from him.
this is not a band.
this is just some crazy "genius" dream ....

i no know ..... ???

There session musicians they have no loyalty or love for the band..its just their job

Also apparently Buckethead left because nothing was happening.....

Its been Axl's thing for a number of years now, i was gonna say Dizzys as well....but thats just silly.

I respect Dizzy for his loyalty and hope one day in the next 100 years that loyalty will be rewarded.

Guns n Roses used to be band - Guns n Roses is now Axl Rose and bunch of hired hands on contracts.

Buckethead leaving is one of the final nails in the coffin(go on Axl, proove me wrong) and it could all be over in th next few weeks.

that is true, but the fans loved his act. it's a big loss. Axl should seriously step up and correct this. alot of the new gnr fans were there because of buckethead; his loss means the further loss of more of axl's fanbase.

Didn't he say at a Grammy's aftershow party a few weeks ago that he was still with Guns n'roses? I may be wrong on that

Maybe he left Guns n'roses before Xmas, but since then has rejoined and left again  :hihi:

I don't think Axl cares about his fan base, if he does he sure has an interesting way of showing it.

BH leaving, and stating that AXL has to handle everything from music to legal issues ....
it kinda escuse him, i mean, i understand that making a cd that big, is hard for a lone man.

axl said that he has to do everything from manager to singer to body guard to cook , maid to sniper ...everything ....

i think that escuses him. maybe he has to clean the studio too ....
if he is really handling and supporting that chinese democracy poroject on his own, i understand why it's taking so long ....

axl, take your time, and close the studio when u leave ....

You know what is most upsetting about this situation, is that we are going to hear nothing from management or Axl. I know management must be looking into this, and they'll find out what's going on, and we will all sit hear disscussing this for the next 30 pages with no hop of knowing what is going on.

We have no idea about anything, CD, the tour, the GH lawsuit, the state of the band...nothing, now I agreed with the there will be news when there is something to report sentament, but now there is something to report, so someone needs to break the silence on this one.

edit: I guess I should remove the line from the bottom of my posts now. I guess if Buckethead could talk he would say "See ya"

maybe because it's none of our buisness
maybe we should care about what we gonna eat tonite
and what kinda of new shoes we gonna buy.
 ;D
ORmaybe we just like to talk ... yeah, i think thats it  ;D

I can?t believe that Axl?s manager doesn?t know shit about this... so, mtv annouced it and "thats ok" to GNR, GNR/AXL/BHEAD MANAGERS AND FANS !!?!??!!?!?  :rant:

Yes, truely none of our business ...  ::)

Give me a break.   :rant:

Ok some bands post on their site when they take a dump, we don't even get offical news about a concert, a cancelled concert, or a memeber leaveing? Yea it is none of our business, but if this keeps up, they will have none of my business when (if) CD comes out

P.S. I know you where being sarcastic, I was just venting so more, not towards you! ;D

Management cannot really announce his departure until he terminates his contract. That's just the way life works. It's like sport, say football or soccer, a team will only announce a new arrival or departure when the contract has been signed or annulled

i think guns n' roses is the only band in the world who never communicates with the fans. but hell, that's part of being a guns n' roses fan i guess. :) it's not like they communicate with the media either.

sure expectations are different, but we ARE talking about a guy that communicates through hand puppets, claims to have been raised by chickens, and wheres a KFC bucket on his head.  :hihi:

and maybe he treats others with as much professionalism that they exude.

but assuming he's done with gnr, does this mean it's back to square one for writing and recording chinese democracy??

The administator over at the golala board had this to say:


The link is: http://www.golala.com/forums/index.php?mforum=Gnrforum&showtopic=104&st=0&#entry397

So who knows how this guy knows, but atleast it's a little ray of sunshine....

Refusing to work with them could be that he is trying to get fired.

Axl doesnt deserve fans like us. We would do almost anything to get this band back on track and what Axl can give us any info whatsoever.


I like VR better anyways. Atleast they GET IT DONE, AXL! You cant even show up in conserts, you cant keep your band together and you can NEVER finish CD. Your gonna die in fear. NO ONE CAN EVER FORGET YOU. For taking GNR- name, for giving us false hopes, and for giving us NOTHING, GO TO HELL AXL. I can see through you Axl, and Im seeing only a hypochrite, lonely, selfpiting old man.

My 4 years of wating is over, F*CK YOU AXL!

Here you are second guessing the so called news, reminding everybody how careful we should be since there is no official confirmation, but it is however official enough to start blaming Buckethead?

LOL, The only one being childish and immature in this whole deal is and was Axl, looking at nothing more then the facts. Axl is the captain of this ship and the ship he was on in the past. Both situations go wrong and the only constant factor in both? is Axl. If Buckethead has left, he may have done it in an amateuristic way or whatever. His departure is however a result of the mess other people (maybe just 1) where making. It?s very unlikely that CD hasn?t been released after 7 years because of Buckethead.


No, the GNR-way of dealing with guitarists is using them for what they are worth and then referring to them as colon-dwellers in future concerts, after dropping them (Axl: ?Slash is in my ass?). After all these years I really can?t blame anyone of the new guys for leaving. Every other self-respecting musician would do so eventually.  Disapproving about the way his departure is handled by him (and making such a fuzz about it) is plain nitpicking. Especially in such a context.


No the topic here is GNR and the inability of the frontman to communicate with people (bandmembers or fans) through words or music (well, not anymore, where is CD?), leading to the departure of Buckethead (which is the exact topic here). To understand the results you have to look at the ingredients.

I rather have a guy who is childish and na?ve in handling his business-side like Buckethead then someone who is childish, amateurish and rude in handling his relationships with people like Axl.


-PEACE-

I just sent an email to GnR management. I asked about BH, RiR, a tour and CD and i got a short answer that keeps my hopes up:  Our plans have not changed.  : ok:

So don?t loose your hopes  :beer:

Aha.........................and the plans are?

-PEACE-

Thanks.  Any hope is good at this point, although I'd like to know more about these "plans"...
Could you do us the favor of forwarding the reply to Jarmo?  I don't think you're making anything up, but documentation is never a bad thing.
Thanks!
/Mike

Ok, no Problem. I will send the mail to jarmo.
I don?t know what the plans are, but it?s good to hear that there are still plans  :)

You can plan procrastination? :o

MTV South America reported Buckethead's departure in 2001.

Howewer, waiting for Managements confirmation is like sitting down waiting for an asteroid to hit Earth. It may surprise us all tomorrow and come then, it might come in a 100 years time or it might not come at all. GNR's spokesperson has yet to return from the holiday he/she seemed to go on sometime in 2002.

It could be different things about Buckethead.

If anyone follows Formula 1 racing, I'll give you a nice example of how contracts and managers act.
Ralf Schumacher drives for Williams BMV and are in talks about a new contract with them, but he's facing troubles with the team, he wants something, they want something different, and so on.

And so his clever manager goes to the media saying Ralf has signed to another team. Later on, the manager for that team says it's bullshit. Ralf's manager then turn to a second team and does the same thing, as in a way to pressure Williams to act so they wont loose their driver. It's all play and games.

Or it might be because Buckethead's fed up with the waiting. His internal bleedings in 2001 was quite a mystery as well.

There's been bits and pieces flying around for a few months now, about Buckethead not being in GNR. At first I thought it was just another round of rumours, but the rumours started to increase and from pretty good sources as well. Management doesnt comment of course, coz they got a contract with Buckethead and for them he's in GNR until otherwise. So, in theory they may deny Bucket's departure with all they got one day and the next day announce his departure. And Im pretty sure they will forget to tell us this time as well.

For us hardcore morons, Buckethead's departure is a big deal, because he has grown to be one of the icons of the new GNR. For the rest of the world it doesnt say much whos playing RIR4. For them it will be Axl and some other guys.

Bucket's departure for us is like a new Slash departure. Im sure Robin can handle this by himself, but GNR's image and build up have suffered a major blow.

If this is the case, then I'd say we can wave goodbye to Chinese Democracy.

There's something wrong here as if the miscommunication between fans and band has spilled over into the band and management itself. It appears that either management has been tiding us over with doubletalk ("he has a contract") or they don't really know whether bucket is in or not. If bucket is out, i would expect his contract would have been terminated. Why pay him if he is not working, therefore why not announce it officially? If he is still under contract, is there any glimmer of hope that he will come back? The two points are at odds with each other. It's as if axl knows the truth, bucket apparently spoke directly to him, and axl didn't bother to tell anyone. Very strange. i wonder what the other guys in the band think now that someone has defected. Remember this isn't the first one to go: freeze left, finck left and came back, tobias left. Who's to say that finck even considers himself part of this traveling circus anymore.

Gnr either shows up at Rio with finck in lead or bucket back in the mix or we get announcements soon of mass defections. Brain, Fortus, Finck, Tommy and Chris, and ultimately Dizzy joining VR.

I'm going to say this one time, nicely:

Please leave Lisa alone.  She's a sweet lady.  She does her best to "help out" the gnr community when she can by confirming/denying rumors, to the best of her knowledge.  She doesn't deserve to be poked at with sharp sticks....so do me favor and be nice.

I dont think Tobias really left dude, he was just "in there", "in the spotlight" and now he's not.

Maybe Bucket is just putting maximum pressure on Axl to redo his contract and pay him more money? With all the pressure from the media now on the lawsuit, Axl may be in a comprimising situation as he cannot afford anymore negative press. This ship is teetering on the brink of destruction-total destruction if Brain goes with Bucket. ???

Here's something to think about:

IF Bucket still has a contract with Gnr AND it runs through the RIR IV date

and

IF Bucket refuses to show up and play

and

IF GnR is forced to cancel the gig

Bucket could be held personally responsible for the lost revenue (both from the band, and, if the festival has to grant refunds or whatever, for the festival).

Just something to think about.

I would think that the whole "contract" issue will have to be resolved before RIR....at the very least.

Or maybe Buckethead is just saying that he is out to get some more promotion for his solo tour?

You mean if Buckethead starts acting like Axl?  ::)

Sorry, pilerk, I dont mean to be rude, but I find it incredibly callous of the nuGNR fans to suddenly make this guitarist the 'BAD MAN'.   We have one poster calling his work "cheesy" after vehemently defending him, and another poster accusing him of extortion (forcing Axl to give him more $$) - oh yeah!!!

I had no idea who this guy before he joined GNR, and I still havent bothered to listen to his solo work, but didnt we hear previously that Bucket is currently ill?  I hope he plays at RIR4 but not at the expense of his health.  

Because they have none?

I dont think Buckethead will go, Guns n Roses has done so much for him, in terms of promotion and media attention.

I also think this is just another means of putting pressure on Axl to get the album released, Brain had his drum tracks laid down years ago, Buckethead may be in the same situation, by the sounds of things, the amount of touring both Buckethead and Dizzy are doing they must just be waiting for Axl to put his seal of approval on the album. But then again what do any of us know, i dont think anyone apart from Axl knows what is happening, but thats not going to stop me from giving my opinion.

I doubt this is going to affect Rock in Rio, the amount the organisers must have spent on promotion by now must reach into the $1000s (huge posters up everywhere) if guns, a major headliner did pull out id imagine the reprocussions would be huge (yet more lawsuits).

Axl must be fuming, i feel sorry for the guy, he must be under so much pressure at the moment, from the label, us the fans, all this greatest hits legal crap! and now members of his own band. Something has to give in the near future, so much is happening in the world of Guns n Roses its only a matter of time.
 

For all we know, Scott could wind up getting busted and go to jail any ole'day. That would pretty much put them in worse shape than Axl.  This is not a good stance to have.

wasn't that like, nearly three years ago?
buckethead has performed both solo and with guns n' roses not too long ago.

i don't feel sorry for him. He is at the center of this mess.

Buckethead has left. I don't think we should delude ourselves that he will be coming back.

I'm guilty too often of trying to squeeze lemonade from lemons....but here goes:

This could possibly be a good thing.  IF buckethead is contractually bound, and cannot technically leave the band, but has made such a drastic backdoor assertion that he intends to be out of the band...THEN this could be the ultimatim that finally prompts Axl to go on and release the album.  Meaning, Axl would realize the seriousness of losing Bucket, and would tell the guy "alright, alright, if you stay in, I will go on and let go of the album."

Who knows, could be  :-\

I dont blame Buckethead for leaving I would 2 if that was me. But it seems we aint gonna c a new GN'R album soon any way

It took a long time for me to get used to Buckethead in GNR, but now I can't face GNR without him.

I know Axl will get over this but for god sake someone start a petiton to get BH back, if he knows how much he is liked by the fans he might reconsider.

Yes I know I sound like a sad little girl, but I am a serioud hardore newGNR fan, gnr needs BH

As long it?s not official, Buckethead is still in for me. And the mail from GnR?s management keeps my hopes up. GnR will be paying RiR. We should wait for that.
Anyway, I know it?s hard sometimes because there is nothing new and nothing official, but we shouldn?t cry about all these bad rumours, but we should support GnR. What?s up with all the street teams and stuff?
As long there are plans, we should supprt GnR!  :beer:

Just to be clear: I like Bucket.  I think, with what little of it I've heard, his work with GnR is very good.  I'm sad to see him go.  I simply wanted to point out an interesting "wrinkle" that no one had yet commented on.

I'm not sayin Axl/GnR would pursue it, nor, necessarily, would the festval co-ordinators.  I just think it's interesting that they COULD, if he has a valid contract.

As for Bucket acting like Axl...well, that's not completly unfair.  However, when Axl has acted that way, he has been forced to pay the piper.  I simply thought it would be interesting to point out who "the piper" might be in this case.

:)

Ok fuck it. Now they just have two guitarists who fucks up solos. Damn i'm gonna miss bucket.

Pilferk - I just read your sig:
"Considering the current news...and our bet...unless there is a drastic change, for the next 30 days:
I am Crowebar's dog boy. "

Did you make a bet that CD would be out this year?  ;D

I remember reading a post where someone made a similar bet with his gf/wife and I think he is now washing dishes for this whole year  :hihi:

Well, here's hoping you dont have to be anyone's dog boy.

I cannot believe the amount of posts saying this, that, and the other about Axl, Buckethead, GNR, etc.

We don't even have official confirmation yet! There's a lot of people here who can't wait to let everyone know their opinions on anything, but if it turns out he hasn't left, ur gonna look like asses.

I'm waiting for something concrete, an MTV report does not set anything in stone. Chill, relax, have a beer, and wait (you've had enough practice).  :smoking:

@#$%Muther

hahahah :D
word! keep the spirit up, snoop:)
we'll se what happens...
anyways, it's not the end of the world if this turns out to be true. just a little sad. peace :)

Crowebar and I, about a month ago, made a little bet about Bucketheads leaving GnR.  The bet was that, if there was official news by June that Buckethead had left GnR, I would add "I am Crowebar's dog boy".  If not, then he would add to his sig "I am Pilferk's dog boy".  I consider the MTV report to be relatively official.  Should it turn out to be wrong...I'll pull the sig.  It'll be there until April 16th, FYI. :)

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?board=2;action=display;threadid=10232;start=msg177133#msg177133

This is a good day for all who appriciate GNR. The question is, will Axl have the smarts to call it quits before he is futher drowned :smoking:

by the way, it's kinda funny that this guy monkeysomething gets like 340 replies to his first post the first day:)
it's understandable though, it's just that you don't see that very often. heh, not everyday this shit happens either, i guess:p
c'yall

Geffen released Guns N`Roses Gretest Hits to cover the costs of CD knowing full well Buckethead was on his way out. It makes sense really  : ok:

No Buckethead = no GNR playing live = The End of GN`R (...unless they re_form, which isn`t going to happen too soon ;) ).


...could this mean no CD release?

----------------

There`s still hope though. Maybe in 20 years time when Axl can play guitar and has picked up the drums we`ll get to see a one man band called GN`R ;)

Shaun, you are correct about the first statement.

CD will come out and the band will continue.

this is SO anti - rock 'n'roll...contracts, contracts...it's not even funny anymore ! At this point I just hope Axl doesn't pull a cobain...victory or death, you know...

watch your fucking mouth.

I'm far from the biggest Buckethead supporter, but I'll welcome him back with open arms if that spares us from having Finck take over lead duties.  :nervous:

The other day I asked if it was possible if Buckethead was just waiting until his contract to end to officially depart the band and it looks like that could be the case.

Mysteron, do you happen to know when his contract ends? I heard sometime in 2005 but I don't know if that's true.

If Buckethead is really gone, I think it's time for Axl to just let the band's name die with the little remaining dignity that it has.  :no:

Will you jsut face it,Bucketheads gone,Brain will likely follow,no one wants to see richard or robin take over as lead guitarist i dont they have what it takes.GNR needs someone who is known well and had lots of excperience

Sorry about that..I was pissed off because yesterday i saw news/rumors about that buckethead is no longer in gnr...i was shocked...but then i saw that update that buckethead is still in i was that great that he is still in

and then this morning  :crying:

You know, I've been playing guitar for just over a year and a half, and I can play everything by GnR, that I try. Slash's stuff, well absolutely amazeing, was not super complicated. Richard adn Robin, both have been playing guitar for well over 20 years, I'm pretty sure they have what it takes. When Finck changes Slash's solo's, he's not screwing up he's changes what he wants. And when he does screw up, please watch any old performance by the old band, they where riddled with mistakes. Just because it looks like Bucket is leaveing, let's not insult Richard or Finck, they both deserve respect. Plus any guy that is hand picked by Trent, and Axl, has to be pretty damn good at what he does....

It's become quite apparent that Mysteron only knows what "management" wants him to know. I don't doubt he asks mgmnt the questions & they provide "answers", but they are always vague & generic, & hardly ever provide any real info.

Well, well, well.  Wasn't this just predictable.  For all of us that at one time or another got caught up in the possibility of CD ever seeing the light of day, we should have known this was the likely ending to the story.

I don't see them continuing without BH.  There are precious few people that care about GNR now.  With BH gone that number gets reduced drastically.

A thought though.  And excuse me if this has been mentioned in this thread whereas I only read the first 7 pages:

What if BH wants to get rid of the costume for his role in GNR.  What if they stage the departure of BH only so Axl can name as his replacement an unknown phenom (with a stage name) taht is actually BH unmasked.  He could still be BH for all his other work, but he would be this alterego for GNR.  I know that is a crazy thought, but I am really reaching here, because without BH this band is below mediocre.


BTW, no way RIR4 happens now.  And if it does by some miracle...get ready for an AFD heavy set.

/Tulip

There is no recovery from this, I just cannot see any circumstances whereby they can circumvent this event.
It was certainly interesting anyway.

Firstly, I think you're lieing.  There is no way you can play all Slash's stuff after only playin guitar for a year and a half.
Secondly, if you think Finck is worthy of GN'R lead duties, then you're wrong.  Well, from what I've heard anyway.  I've heard his solo spots from Rio, and from Idaho, and they suck.  There's no other way to describe it.  It sounds like a complete novice playing.

I'll leave slagging off his tone for another time, but i'll tell you, Finck is not lead guitarist material.  It's that simple.

Just merged your new thread with this one, Lecter.

It'd be nice if people would read this topic I made last night: http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?board=2;action=display;threadid=11087; (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?board=2;action=display;threadid=11087;)

You know, Bucket COULD come back if Axl decided to release the damn album.  I don't care if it's perfect or not.

It's getting friggin' ridiculous already!

Of course  :hihi: That is why you take what is said and add some thought or common sense to it

They wouldn't be doing their job correctly if they told me, or anyone else, the complete truth

Why can't we know the complete truth? That might ease the fire and avoid some comments we've read on the board since yesterday (actually since december 2002).

Management companies, such as Sanctuary, are strictly forbidden from revealing the internal affairs of their clients, and have to be careful about what information they release

Bucket's management company didn't care much about that apparently...lol
I think that's fair enough but in situations like these, I think it would be their duty to tell the fans via a website or some sort of email to GN'R sites: "True, Bucket is gone." or "Nope, he's still in, he's got a contract and can't leave like that." or "MTV just made that up, Bucket has no manager." (lol)

Sounds great to me  :smoking: But who am I ?! just another junkie  ;)

Exactly. We have Buckethead's manager commenting on the affairs of Guns n'roses. What does that say about him? Try asking Tommy's manager about Guns n'roses and you get the utmost professionalism

As I said previously, when Bucket terminates his contract with Guns n'roses, then management will then announce his departure. Until then, they cannot say anything. Think about it logically, if Buckethead was a wayward thinking individual, and left, rejoined, left, rejoined every five seconds....and management kept commentating on this, how would this look to the average individual. It would look even more ridiculous than the current situation, no?

True. But previously I don't have the impression it was taken as seriously as it is now. The last time(s) he left didn't make so much noise. This is why (in my opinion) we need an official statement about this from Geffen/ Sanctuary/ the band, just to clear things up.

The article reported that Buckethead had left on other occasions and returned... then it said that this time it looks like its for good.

When did he leave before?  I know there have always been rumours.. but nothing that ever seemed founded in truth.  What are they talking about?

So do you think there is still any hope Mysteron????

Let logic guide you. If you don't hear anything from Sanctuary, then he has not officially left. If you do, then he has

Also, take from the rumours and the MTV story the kind of person he is

You can learn alot about situatuons just by being slightly more attentive with stories that are released in the media

For instance, Guns n'roses' new album will be called Chinese Democracy for sure. Now, I could tell that without asking anyone. How? Well  firstly, it is mentioned on the Sanctuary website, and secondly, it was mentioned in the recent Sanctuary press release. Read into things

Of course!

I sincerely hope you are right. This band means too much to most of us to be forgotten...............

Here  is to hope  :beer:

19 pages of reading, yikes  :nervous:

I think what happened was that the wrong person asked Buckethead about Guns N Roses and Herbie answered with "Buckethead doesn't do that anymore" (because he thinks CD is done)  That wrong person then went crying to Mtv.  

Just my thought on it  :smoking:

Ridiculous....lets talk about ridiculous. The guy's name is buckethead! Good Guitarist.... but a definite freak. The man wears a mask and a KFC bucket on his head. Not having  Buckethead can't hurt the band any more than their image has already been screwed up by him being in the band. I mean just play music for god sake. I cant believe people are sitting here debating weather "Buckethead" is screwed up for leaving the band. Screwed up is talking through an interpreter who happens to be a puppet on your hand...That's fucked up. Robin finck is a great guitarist he can do the trick. I saw new GNR in Toronto and Robin clearly handled the load of lead Guitar, for the most part Bucket walked around doing nothing waiting for the odd solo. I always sensed something not right between Bucket and GNR.... he clearly wanted a distinct separation between himself and the band just look at his website..he used to have a message board link for people to separately discuss his "involvement with Guns n Roses". I believe the whole thing was just a gig for him and he was never really a part of the band anyway. I say so-long weirdo. That being said I really don't blame him for not wanting to sit around doing nothing forever. At this point I'll be surprised if I ever hear the illusive Chinese Democracy.



"Time is an illusion created by man to organize an unorganized reality." -- Chrono DS Raines

The first junkie must be me  8), because this is what I thought when I first heard the rumour. Otherwise I thought  he might have some health problem.

It's a little late in the game for you Axl people to start using the word "logic". You all gave up that right with your incessant excuse making & rationalizing for Axl over all these past years.

Also, while I'm not surprised the character assassination of BH has begun on this board , I have to say I'm really surprised that you're taking part, Mysteron, with your subtle digs & you using this situation to show "what kind of a person he is", whatever that means.

Word to a lot of that  :smoking:

Although I think he was talented, I agree with a lot. However I didnt want this to happen at this fragile point in GNRs time, with whats happened with Geffen etc.. I wanted to hear that things were running as normal and RIR4 would be cool, and an album in our hands for around that time.

It's weird that you're saying this, because I thought exactly the opposite. Everytime a rumour got too big, the management was pretty quick in debunking it. I expect that to happen in the next 24 hours if the story is untrue.
On the other hand, everytime something bad happened, we didn't hear a word from the management. Like after the failed 2002 tour : I'm sure there were legal reasons behind this, but they didn't even give a short explanation, something that could have eased us.
To me, if we don't hear anything in the next 24 hours, Buckethead is definitely out.  :-\

How many times must I say this...

ZAKK WYLDE WILL NEVER EVER LEAVE OZZY OSBOURNE.  HE HAS SAID THIS ABOUT A DOZEN TIMES IN THE PAST YEAR.  HE WON'T LEAVE OZZY FOR AXL OR ANYONE ELSE.

Thank you and have a nice day.   :)

of course he wont...no way Zakk will join this mess on the eve of ozzfest or ever will he leave.... Van halen isnt joining, Izzy or Slash arent comming back either... good god....the IQ here drops weekly....

that may be true (although you shouldn't say "never"). but ozzy could announce he's finished at any point.

then zack would be free....and in a best case scenario could be known as the guitarist that saved GNR.

but it seemes like its no full time job to be in GNR... zakk could still be with ozzy and GNR at the same time, as BH did making all those albums while beeing in GNR....

and ozzy isnt touring THAT much either....

"I'll stop touring when I'm dead, and I'm not dead."

---Ozzy, last month


Ozzy tours Ozzfest every year, U.S. and Europe.  He's under contract to do so until 2005, and then he may well extend his contract after that.

Zakk also does Black Label Society on the side, so his schedule is completely full.

Zakk also said last year that Axl needed to just sit down with Slash and work everything out, because GNR was only going to work with the original lineup.  And as far as "saving" Axl, I doubt any guitarist (or anybody) can save Axl......because Axl has to be saved from himself.

Just face it people, Zakk will never join Axl.  I'm the biggest Ozzy/Zakk disciple walking the earth, and I know what I'm talking about.   :)

Dizzy's "loyalty?"

What options does Dizzy have?  I don't think he's with Axl because of loyalty.  I think he sticks by Axl because that's what pays the bills.  

Wasn't Dizzy living on the street when Axl formally brought him into GNR?

Didnt he try that before?  I think Zakk tried to work with both, but then I read in an article where he said that he got a letter from gnr management saying 'his services werent needed anymore'.  

Pretty rude of Axl if you ask me.  As long he treats guitarists as if they were cleaning maids who do their 'services', well, who is going to want to work with him?  Except people who need the money?

Damn near.  He said that one day before Axl asked him to join the band, the electric company had told him they were cutting off the power in his dank apartment within 24 hours.

Yep thats what he said, was it making of don't cry or november rain.

Yes, and the bad thing was he had already turned down the opportunity to tour with Ozzy during Ozzy's comeback tour in 1995, just weeks before he received that letter.  And by the time he got it, Ozzy was pissed off at his delays and had already started touring with Joe Holmes on guitar.  So Zakk languished with BLS (decent band, but low selling and drawing) when he could've been headlining with Ozzy during a huge world tour.

Ozzy eventually hired Zakk back, for his 2001 album Down to Earth, and told Zakk he had to make a definite commitment to tour or not, and Zakk very willingly said yes.  He has since sung Ozzy's praises at every opportunity and stated numerous times he won't ever leave Ozzy again.

I just read on ozzyhead.com that Ozzy is started to write for a new album, and Zakk will definitely be included in that.  And of course, Zakk is booked to play Ozzfest with BLS and Ozzy, so looks like Zakk's tied up for quite awhile.
 


It was "Don't Cry".

Well, they would still have an album on store shelves.  I think that puts them way ahead of Axl.

I watched both yesterday morning and couldnt remember

it?s all over:
(just to name a few )



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Agora ? oficial: Buckethead saiu do Guns N'Roses (18/03/04)

Depois de quatro anos como guitarrista do GUNS N'ROSES, tempo no qual a banda somente fez alguns shows, o guitarrista Buckethead decidiu sair. Conhecido como aquele m?sico exc?ntrico que usava uma m?scara e um balde da KFC na cabe?a, ele simplesmente se cansou de tanto esperar o lan?amento do CD. Apesar disso o Guns ainda est? confirmado para ser a banda principal do dia 30 de maio no Rock in Rio Lisboa. Um novo guitarrista ainda n?o foi anunciado e s? deveremos conhec?-lo no show em Portugal.

(Rafael Tavares)

www.whiplash.com ( a big rock n roll site here in brazil)

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http://www.89fm.com.br/notas/?11346 ( site of the coolest rock station here )

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Nova baixa no Guns?n?Roses

Por Daniel Setti

18.03.04
Ningu?m ag?enta mais esperar pelo novo disco do Guns?n?Roses ? nem os pr?prios integrantes. Com a paci?ncia esgotada por causa da enrola??o de Axl para apresentar o tal do ?Chinese Democracy? ou pelo menos fazer shows, o guitarrista Buckethead decidiu pular fora do barco.

O exc?ntrico m?sico, que usa uma m?scara e um balde da lanchonete KFC como chap?u (!) e que s? fala com a imprensa atrav?s de um boneco de m?o (tipo o Mr. Hat, de ?South Park?), tomou sua decis?o no final do ano passado, apesar de sua sa?da ter sido comunicada apenas agora. Axl agora ter? que se virar se quiser arrumar um substituto, j? que o Guns est? confirmado como uma das principais atra??es do Rock in Rio Lisboa, dia 30 de maio.

Figura conhecida no circuito vanguardista americano, Buckethead agora volta sua aten??o para seus outros projetos. Entre eles est?o dois discos solo (?Population Overdrive? e ?Cuckoo Clocks Of Hell?), e o supergrupo Claypool?s Bucket Of Bernie Brains, do qual participam o baixista Les Claypool (Primus), o baterista Brain (ex-Primus, atual Guns) e o lend?rio tecladista Bernie Worrell, que tocou com meio mundo.

www.mtv.com.br ( MTV BRAZIL )

pilferk-  I think you should remove the qualifiers.  It would be so much better if it were just "I am Crowebar's dog boy."   ;D

All translations from mtv.com... source is the same.

Peace :)

MTV Brazil reported he was out in 2001 and obviously they were wrong... Id belive the american MTV over most websites but i still dont belive this report that hes gone... who said it? there is no name for the manager to back up the story.. If i had his email i would like to mail the man who reported this story...

Its refreshing to hear someone express some empathy for what Axl might be going through

The 'he brought it on himself' arguement assumes too much that we dont know.  I'd just as soon go with my gut feelings... and belief in Axl's good intentions.


 :o  You actually got an answer!
In the meantime of Jarmo posting thier email to you
can you post your email to them?

I do recall that article from MTV in 2001.  I've got a feeling we'll be seeing Bucket at RIR4.

could somebody change the name of this thread. it is NOT official. it is just fucking MTV!  >:(

Just for the record, I take no personal joy in Pilferk having to add this 'Dogboy' thing to his sig. :no:


I'm not sure that it's actually even necessary either until this whole BH shit is somehow confirmed by GNR management.

Oh, brother, now I've heard it all. Poor, poor Axl, it must be sooooo hard being Axl, I'm going to cry myself to sleep tonight because poor, poor Axl has it so rough, lets all hold a big PITY PARTY for poor, poor Axl.  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

To quote the admin from the GNR Rumor message board:


and...


Perhaps Buckethead has just been impartial and uninvolved with GNR all year. The guys assumed he may be as good as gone all along, and without formally replacing him, have another guy ready.  T'would be a smart move to have made.

(Kind of like the promoters of RIR are making sure there is a backup band in the GNR slot, just in case they don't show up...also smart :))

If this is true, then it explain a lot of things, the main one being what is taking so long for CD. They had to re-record Buckets parts. I just find it hard to believe it took this long to someone to find out.

great a new guitar player......because every band obviously needs three guitar players.....

I can't wait to see what barrel they found this guy at the bottom of. Maybe this time he'll play while wearing a Hamburgler costume.......no wait maybe it's going to be Mayor McCheese.

I previously unveiled the new guitarist for Guns N' Roses:

(http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/jovantisma/Hamburglar.jpeg)

@#$%Muther

No, no, no..it's this guy:

http://www.hektik.org/various/future_girlfriend_archive/index.html

If anyone cares, Rolling Stone is running the story now, too.  

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?nid=19490

-darknemus

i like the way rolling stone did this. the "where the hell is axl rose?" pages on the other hand...

Hang on a second!!! As foR these b/s 'management emails'......if he left in early 2003, can someone xplain why HE ONLY ADDED THE GNR BOARD TO HIS SITE IN 2004????!!!

I don't believe this crap. Having had time to digest, it's safe to say there are/have been issues with Bucket. But having created huge amounts of music with GnR which he must surely be happy with and proud of, having gotten fantastic reactions from live audiences and seen how we've reacted to Madagascar and his solos, it would not make sense for Axl to let him go over a 'waiting' issue. I can only imagine Axl would do anything to keep this band together now, and that Bucket could be persuaded. Unless he knows that the album probably wnt be coming out this year or something.

I hope they have a bacup band, just so axl can rant about how no one believes in him anymore and didn't think he was gonna show.

Pilferk!!!!

Where in the living hell did you find that kid?
fuk is that wierd! funny stuff.

Honestly, I found the site thats "hosting" it while looking for something else....and then went poking around to see whatelse was there.  And that's when I found the kid.  And I agree..funny as fuck.

That shit is fucking funny...is that fucking for real somones page?? or a joke???

utter insanity! lmfao.
thanx!


sorry jarmo..back to the topic.

really?  Could someone clear this up?  I never checked the Bucket site so I dont know if this is factual or not.

WAIT! just one more time.....fukn hilarious and twisted all in one!

Wasn't Buckethead asked at the music awards if he was still in the band and he nodded? And yet we hear he left a year ago with no news of his departure?

Confusing

Not true. The gnr board at bucket's site has been around for much longer, at least as far back as 2002. It was taken down several days ago, but it was there for quite a while.

Well Bootsey didn't say currently of GNR, so it can go both ways

I'm afraid your efforts are a bit misguided (through no fault of your own) since the bucketboard moderator is the same person as the webmaster of buckethead's "official" site. Greg and Rupert are the same person. You'll never get a straight answer out of him, nevermind the fact that he seems to enjoy being a prick to bucket's fans, or the fact that he often knows less than the fans do.

Hey dudes... I am brazilian and I am sure that MTV  Brasil don't know a shit about anything... they just really know about pop bands...

ahem...

empathy - Identification with and understanding of another's situation, feelings, and motives

even the word sympathy does not simply equate with "feeling sorry for someone"  It can be used to express "a feeling of loyalty; allegiance"

Both of the above is what I was expressing... and can be read in the original poster's sentiments as well.

Everything is not black or white ya know.
If so  - then what if i said that you envy Axl and the position he is in.
Well do ya?

i don't envy him, i admire him. i think none of us can imagine what it's like having the pressure of the world on his shoulders. he should do it right and take his time, i'm sure that we will see results eventually that will exceed everyone's expaectations. he said it himself in an interview, he won't give into pressure now as he did with the "illusions". chew on that one. imagine the results.

well hes taken more time than a normal humna needs to create a masterpiece
i kinda think its becoming really lame now...most ppl have always thought og GNR as a jokes....atleast the "reincarnation" anyway....the only thing that the people i know liked was buck!
now that hes left ...i agree this has become a joke....the gnr name is jus bein shamed by axl now

Let's just hope MTVNEWS is wrong.  I say it's about a 50/50 chance since there has been so much rumor about Buckethead having a huge ego like Axl's.  I guess we'll know by RIR4.  I just wish the concert was sooner!

Honestly, I made the first post on it about a month or so ago, then a few others joined in until there were about 15 threads. Then all of a sudden, my first post, which was a massive big up of the new songs, the tour, my expectations for Rio and how much faith I had in New GnR....the post vanished. Then the board was removed. Now unless nobody posted on the board through the whole of 2003 or it was cleared early this year before I posted, then it was a recent addition.

I think its amusing to hear these people cry about BH leaving...about him being "irreplacable" or whatever.  

Why do they think that way?  So far, all BH has proven to the world is that he can adequately perform in a GnR tribute band.(the last tour being pretty much a tribute to the old GnR material, that is.)  No need to kill the melodrama and bring you back down to Earth...but according to what BH has given us and showed us, his loss isn't all that great.  

There are thousands and thousands of guitarists out there who could adequately handle the job of playing in a GnR tribute band...which is pretty much all BH accomplished during his stint in GnR.  Maybe BH had something "more" to offer us on CD...but maybe he didn't.  The fact is, we'll probably never know.  Whatever music he may have put down for the album, Paxil-boy is most likely sure to destroy.  

And I hope he does.  I want the album to have Guns N' Roses playing on it, whoever Guns N' Roses may be at the time of its release.  I hope he rerecorded Buckethead's parts if Bucket is truly gone.

Maybe I'm not as anxious as all of you, though.  We've waited a long time anyway, I've got stuff to do, the VR album will be out soon, I've got no problem waiting a bit more for CD.

edit:  ...I'm going to really miss Buckethead.

I know what you're saying, but the confusion lies with the moderator/webmaster of the board and site. It's all set up with fucking html, so it's not like replies bump a thread back to the top of the list. It just gets added onto the board as they appear. So what happens is if the board gets filled with too many posts, Greg/Rupert just chops off the old threads from the bottom, even though people are still replying to them. You'll notice the same thing on the main buckethead board. old threads just get truncated from the bottom, and they are in effect lost forever. if you'll notice the board now it only contains threads from Marcg 11, 2004 till today. so all the thousands of posts that came before it all those years are long gone. all the information is long gone. it's a stupid ass way to run a board, but that's the way it's done.

the thing about the gnr board on buckethead's site is that it wasn't very active anyway. so whenever people posted, if it got too old, it just got cut out, so when you saw it it probably only had the posts from whatever month it was that you saw it. That's probably why it looked new to you. Not your fault, it's just the way they run things. If you look at the bucketboard it'd look like it was only set up last week if you go by the dates. bad design, i say.

indeed.

Jesus fucking christ, i cant believe this still hasnt been confirmed by GNR yet, absolutely ridiculous!

Id prefer it if it was confirmed rather than just an MTV article. At least that way we know and can speculate on who will replace the chicken coop beast.

Another Sad week in GNR history......















......AGAIN! >:(

I know he's turned down Axl before but he's worth a try.........Brian May : ok:

too bad you'll feel bad about bashing your former hero like this when you'll be on his nuts again like crazy once cd drops.
that's the day i will listen to great music with a good conscience, laughing at all the idiots eating their own words. :smoking:

Buckethead's departure was yet another blow to GnR fans. BTW, didn't Axl's statement say that there would be a release date in a few months? What are we up to now? 14, 15 months?

yeah , axl also said buckets departure would speed up the recording didnt he?  :hihi:

My new heroes are the civil attorneys who will force the release of CD in a few years time.  All hail Thomas Mesereau.

maybe axl is just recording a big slew of material so people can release alot of records after he dies , aka Tupac , Biggie Smalls?  ???

living.....dead...these are all relative terms.  Professional careers end everyday.

or last year.  : ok: