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From Blabbermouth:

http://www.roadrun.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=20424

BUCKETHEAD Out Of GUNS N' ROSES? - Mar. 16, 2004
 
  Rumors of guitarist Buckethead's departure from GUNS N' ROSES have gained strength in the recent weeks, with many speculating that GNR singer Axl Rose's alleged decision to begin taking guitar lessons will result in him taking on some of the guitar duties himself during the band's upcoming live performances.

Although the GUNS N' ROSES camp has yet to make an official comment on the matter, a BLABBERMOUTH.NET visitor and a previous news contributor bumped into GUNS N' ROSES keyboardist Dizzy Reed over the weekend and filed the following report:

"The after-show for [the] YNGWIE [MALMSTEEN] [concert] was held [Sunday night, March 14] at the Cat Club. The band that was playing that night was a cover band featuring Dizzy Reed on keys. During the set, they introduced Yngwie's drummer Patrick Johansson. He sat in on the drums for a rousing rendition of AC/DC's 'Dirty Deeds'.

"After the set I introduced myself to Dizzy. I had been wearing my GNR 'Chinese Democracy' shirt too! I asked him what was the status of the new album. He said that they should be releasing it this year (big surprise). I also asked him the what happened at the Philly riot show, since I was there. He said that you could thank Clear Channel for that one. I also asked him about Buckethead's status, in which he confirmed that he is unofficially out of the band."  

Who will be the next to leave?

Wow, that sounds quite convincing. Does anybody know Blabbermouths reliability and honesty in these types of matters? :o

damned...  oh well,  i bet he still will be on the album though... so we have been introduced to a kick ass guitar player.... how many here would have known of him without the GNR connection? they still have 2 kick ass guitarists thouhg, but not as kickass as BH :s

Blabbermouth isn't a real trustworthy source.

guys, this band is actualy exploding to our faces.
The greatest hits + buckethead story... ???
"it's worthier every day"...

I doubt he'll be on the album now really. When Paul left, and Richard joined, wasn't all of Paul's work on the album scrapped and redone. This is not a good thing if true folks. Buckethead was the saving grace of this band and dont lie to yourself thinking Richard and Robin can duplicate anything he has done. This is one shitty week in the Gn'R world, can you saw after Rio Axl calls it quits :-\

i dont agree, the deal was for Paul to be in the band just for a little "while"... he was never to be a permanent player. buckethead on the other hand, he IS a little better player than Paul, so why should axl scrap exelent guitar tracks?

Axl must feel very bad...maybe he will sit down, listen once again to the old albums, and finally see by himself that Slash, Duff, izzy/gilby, steven/matt are the right guys for that band. is it possible? will they (the old band) decide to TALK? they just need to fuckin' talk!

I guess this years Rock N`Rio is going to answer a stack of questions  : ok:

If they [GNR] show, will Buckethead be there? if he isn`t [there] then who will play his parts? will this be an excuse for more delays with CD? ...if Buckethead is out for good, dose that mean all his [BH] parts on CD will have to be re_recorded? [more CD delays  >:( ].

...and if they [GNR] don`t show, then maybe there no new songs after all  ;)

One thing is for sure, time will tell  :) - at this rate, it wouldn`t surprise me if CD is put out into the shops [as is] - without any tour at all. That`ll be it, no GNR - *The End*  :no:

If Buckethead is out then GNR are finished.

The worst scenario would be GNR continue without him.....leaving lead guitar to Robin Finck........

Its too awful to imagine

This rumour ties in too well with other things we have heard, GNR needs Buckethead. GNR needs a world class guitarist and there are none other 'available' to replace him.

Ok...since when?

If I recall correctly, didn't Mysteron said Buckethead was still in GNR about a week ago?

If this is true on top of everything else, we're all screwed.

We can start going back to reminicing about how great the old band was.  :'(

@#$%Muther

HEARYEY, HEARYEY!
by the power in my 1000+ posts, i will grant Rocktar81 the price for making a way outta no way to make axl want to get back to slash and duff!  :hihi:

dizzy could be busting our balls, we don't know forsure, maybe he was sick of people asking him if buckethead was in or out, then he replies, 'he is unofficially out', which could mean anything, you could say that dizzy is unofficially out for the time being cause he's playing live shows with someone else, untill i hear something absolutely official than thats what i'll believe



rock n' roll

Unfortunately, I believe it to be true.  Buckethead is a musician that likes to play music.  I can't see how any good musician can wait thru years of no activity.

This decision was probably made at about the time the bucketboard/GNR board was taken down.  Geffen probably believes him to be out of the band as well.  Which is why they are going with the "Greatest Hits" release.

Wow, I guess I'm pretty pessimistic about the whole thing.


-F

shit rocktar, I really do agree with you  

Buckethead was the only one of the so-called hired guns who has enough starpower to make it on his own without the need for Axl and the GNR paycheck.  I guess he used the money to buy a house or something.

I suppose I should wait for official confirmation of his depature before I wax poetical about the insanity in this band.

I guess the so called chemistry and friendship ever so mentioned in this board between Axl and the new memebers didn't include Buckethead.  :no:

Why don't you check this information with one of Dizzy's family at his forum

If I ask management, they will probably give me the same information they have given me all along

I did actually think of this too. I wouldn't believe this till we hear something official, but if it's true.... shit.

On one side, I'd use the Robin Finck example who left the first time because it seemed CD wouldn't be coming out soon. Yet this time he's still here (as far as we know - where does that guy go?). Buckethead hasn't exactly been stopped from doing his own thing, playing and recording, so why leave with Rio coming?

On the other, the message board vanishing from bucketheadland, and the previous rumour don't bode too well. In fact it looks pretty bleak my friends.

@#$%Muther

damn. who was it who told that in some show some guy said that "I doubt that Buckethead will be in RIR4"..was it Cat Having Fun or Kiki? I can't remember. According to Mysteron and he's source (management) Buckethead is still in GNR, but it was a while ago when he asked that from GNR management.

and reliefing point is blabbermouth is made from gossips.  

Didn't Mysteron recently state that Bucket was still in?

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(deeeeep breath)

...sigh

This so better not be fucking right. For the sake of Guns, Buckethead better not have left. He was the only thing keeping me here.

When everybody talked a shit storm about this new gnr, the one piece of tangible ammo I had was Buckethead. GNR is a big fuckin joke now if Bucket is gone.

No, I can't believe that this is right. If there is an official announcement, and not just some bullshit off Blabbermouth, than I will just believe that Bucket is in GNR. The alternative is UNACCEPTABLE.


Man, fuck this!


If Bucket is gone, GNR really is done.

Good idea = Axl holds an online question and answer session. I think this would be a great opportunity for him to reveal some information to his fanbase.

Does he owe us this? No, of course not, but it's still a good idea.

AA.

Look guys, you can either believe a source that has been wrong many times before, and first mentioned this story about Axl taking guitar lessons like years after it happened, or you can believe Mysteron and others who say otherwise, who are continually proven to be legit.  Unless something happened in the last week, which would make blabbermouth's previous stories BS, this story just isn't true.

this now plus the Buckethead webpage dropping the gnr section = big worries!

this is really bad news (if it's true).

buckethead is (was) by far the most valuable member of the new lineup. by far.

i'm not surprised at all though. it was only a matter of time before someone dropped out. these guys love to play and make music. "gnr" does not.

Loretian, I am one of the optimists on this board usually, and I wouldn't trust blabbermouth on anything, but this alongside the rumour from the buckethead show and GNR vanishing off the bucketboard is making me far from optimistic.

@#$%Muther

I hear ya.... Yeah, it doesn't look so good after all.  I guess we'll just have to wait and see.   :-\

If he is out, there's just several things about the situation that don't add up for me.   With all the things I know and have read, and have been told, the most likely scenario is that the story is just bs.   The comments from the buckethead show were refuted by somebody who would know and there's other possible explanations for them.  The removal of the Gn'R board could be for any number of reasons, including that a real Gn'R website is planned to go up soon, or just that the webmaster didn't feel like running it anymore.  The blabbermouth story could be just that - a blabbermouth story.

It's still hard to be hopeful, with all this, though.

Remember back when GNR did the infamous VMA show?

Use that as a reference.

Bucket is the only thing that brought respect to this new band. If he is gone, it is game over. No one but select few will see GNR as anything other than a fucking joke. And with Bucket gone, one would be hardpressed to disagree. Bucket gave this GNR respect. Without him man well...

Is anybody else having trouble accessing www.dizzyreed.com? I get an error page, and the address bar turns into "http:///" with the THREE slashes. Anyone get this?

Yeah, they're having hosting problems.  You can't get to dizzyreed.com right now, the server isn't up.  The forum is still available though.

yeah I got the same thing...did it crash with a flood of emails?  hehehe

OH MY GOD!! maybe Dizzy left too!!!!!!!!

I agree with you.  When I saw them in Cleveland Bucket was half the show.  The crowd loved him.  Without him it will just be too normal of a band.  Sure we have Axl, and the other guys are great musicians, but Bucket was definitely one of a kind.  If this is true, I wonder how long before Brain leaves as well?

No, the main site has been down for a week or so.  Apparently, the hosting company tried to "screw with them" (and they haven't said anything more detailed that I've seen), so they dumped them.  As loretian mentioned, the forums are still up, though.

 :rofl:

This is like some sick twisted murder mystery where Axl keeps popping off one member after another.  Like that famous Agatha Christie novel whose title I cant remember.

Ten Little Indians aka And then there were none.

Here's the link.... http://pub238.ezboard.com/bthesirdizzyreedappreciationsocietypart2 (http://pub238.ezboard.com/bthesirdizzyreedappreciationsocietypart2)

@#$%Muther

I entirely agree - the musicians Axl has assembled look like a bunch of clowns without the genuine ability that Buckethead has.

If Buckethead leaves, i won't be hanging around to see what happens next.

I have to disagree with most of you.  Don't get me wrong, I don't want Buckethead out of the band, but as far as attitude and charisma for the new band go, he's the farthest from "the most dangerous band in the world".  I was just watching my albany dvd today, and fortus, finck and stinson all bounce around stage with crazy intensity.  Bucket looks like he has a board holding him up.  The man is an amazing guitarist, but he doesn't fit the persona of a rock and roll star.

Also, if this is true, look at the situation.  They now only have two guitarists and a bassist.  That's how the band should have been from the start.  I'm not sure which two I'd have taken, but I never saw the need for a third guitarist.

My biggest worry is that Brain may leave too.  Granted, I would have assumed that the rumor would have included a tidbit about him if it is either:
a)true about Buckethead or
b)that Brain is staying
Hopefully he stays either way, because there's only one drummer in the band  :)

Anyway, hope its not true....  ??? ??? ???

Mike

Bucket got GnR respect? are you serious?
Sure he is an unbelievable player, but that look is (as you said of the band) a fucking joke.  All bucket did was serve as a glaring reminder that Slash wasn't in the band. Maybe GnR attracted more "guitar virtuoso" fans with bucket, but the majority of the old fans and the casual viewers did nothing but pick apart the band when they saw him on TV and when the saw him durring the tours. How many of you sat next to someone who said "who is this asshole with the happy meal on his head" at one of the 2002 shows?

Granted if he is gone they have been set back, but did any of you really believe that we were going to see Chinese Democracy before the summer??

Thank you Pilferk.  You are wasting your talents on this board if you dont mind me saying so.  Go out there and do some 'veni vidi vici'

I hear Alder isn't very busy lately.......lol

This would be a complete disaster. Period. End of discussion. Without Bucket, this band does not come close in any respect to the original lineup. Bucket is the difference maker, purely based on skill and ability to play anything and everything. Unless Axl is truly a musical genius and has the ability to take mediocre players and make them stars, this ship is sunk. Unfortunately, I don't think Axl is a "musical genius" so look out below, "the Titanic sails at dawn!"-as Bob Dylan so eloquently sang in 1965.... :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

This just isn't funny anymore.

If Bucket is out, Brain is out, too, no doubt. And then this fucking lawsuit. What do you think they're gonna do? Fight Geffen, go to another company, re record Buckets and Brains recordings after rewriting them just cause nobody else is able to play Buckets stuff? Find a new drummer? And IF they do so, how long do you think it will take?

No, this isn't funny at all.



/lastroots

thats funny, the french title of the book is " Les dix petits n?gres " meaning " Ten little Niggers "
did they chanage the us title to be politcaly correct, or is really ten little indians orginaly ?

bside that, i never felt axl being a big friend with buckethead on stage
" i want you to feel free bucket, feel free ..."

This is not the end.

Didn't somebody quit after recording Illusions but before its release???

We all know how that turned out.

Very bad...  :'(

This news just ruined my 14 years of awaiting this album...that's all i can muster right now...

Dude, as long as you are going to quote me, stick to it. I said use the VMA appearance as a reference. Anyone who watched that show, would immediately have seen the reception that Buckethead got from MTV. They were going apeshit over him. Saying shit like "Now the world will finally be exposed to Buckethead." Axl actually took a back seat seat to Bucket, in terms of name recognition from MTV itself dude. I dont give a fuck about your friends who didnt know who Bucket was. I am talking about MTV themselves, who has the influence the few others have. The stars (shit like Pink) were talking about Buckethead at the preshow too. It was all about Buckethead during the VMA wrap up show and how awesome he is.

Shit dude MTV even did that special on Buckethead that ran during the 2002 tour.

Buckethead is huge. And was GNRs saving grace. Yea his looks are crazy at first when you dont know shit. But the more you do, the more you are in awe of the man.

MTV got it, and exposed it. If you and your friends and the GNR purists who couldnt accept anyone other than Slash, hates this GNR no matter what they would have done or had in the band.

But the magazines and MTV got the Bucket. And he was the one thing that was going to make this GNR special. MTV has promoted Bucket more than anyone would have ever guessed. He got more exposure from them than Axl has as of late.

Anyone want to venture how MTV is going to like this news if true? It will be a slap in their face too.

First off, Blabbermouth is an unreliable gossip site that has terrible news.  The "Axl learning to player guitar to take over some guitar duties in the band when Buckethead is gone" should be your first alert.  They recently took the fact that Axl took lessons from Gary Sunshine, (which everyone knew years ago), and turned it into something  major (like he was going to play guitar in the band, replacing Buckethead).  That's totally bizarre. I wouldn't be surprised if the story was made up.  People like to fuck with GNR fans, and Blabbermouth would report any idiot's report without question.  Anybody could have made this up.

Why would Dizzy say something like that, even if it was true?  He and the rest of the band have been super tight lipped sinced this whole band began.  I don't believe he would say that to a random fan.  I don't even believe he would even say that to fuck with a fan, but if he did actually say this, then that was the reason.  Because he was sick of the same questions asked over and over again, and he decided to have some personal fun with the fans by fucking with them.

Look at Bucket's situation in GNR:  he is allowed to record albums and tour as he pleases, while  being in an amazing band like GNR.  It's a great situation for him.  Where else could he do something like that?

Also, do you think he would just sacfirice all his contributions to GNR, after all the time and energy he has spent on this band?  Remember, this guy has to make music and release it.  Look at how many albums he has done.  There is no way he could just scrap years worth of contributions to GNR.

you are a liar. everybody was VERY desapointed not to see Slash. I already said it, Axl was the main reason of the whole exitation during the VMA. I really don't believe that people cared of these new guys "who aren't slash"...
Axl was THE attraction, for the rest, people wondered why Slash wasn't there too. They didn't give a fuck about Buckethead. who did?

I believe it, because Dizzy said the new album is going to be released for sure by june of last year...wait a minute... :nervous:

You're laughing at the idea, but for me, that wold make up for BH and Brain leaving.

Adler is the shiznit.

Dizzy said in a radio interview a month or so ago that he'd have CD with him when he returned. The forums reaction was "dizzy's a fool who doesnt know anything"

A BLABBERMOUTH report says some guy met dizzy at a show and said Bucket was unofficially out.

Lets try and think this through sensibly.

Please check again Mysteron.

Thanks a lot!

N ! 3 |(

Just as a few others have said, bucket was the ammo from a technical standpoint to validate this band...the intrigue of the character and the persona, while lost on some, was not lost on all...Finding a guitar player to flawlessly play Slash's leads is near impossible and doesn't leave many avenues open...With Bucket, Axl found the perfect foil.....A player who is diverse and flexible enough to play whatever is conceived, regardless of genre...Finck is not the answer....Fuck blabbermouth's credibility, if this is true, the whole ride goes off the tracks....

Edit: Mark my words, Brain WILL follow Bucket out if this is the case...They've been inseparable from day 1...

I think they did change it to be PC.  I heard they did the same thing with Enid Blyton's novels for children.  I really loved both those authors when I was a kid.. ahh the memories.


Where's youngunner to tell us that Axl is real buddy-buddy with Bucket, Robin, etc?  :P

If Beta knows how to play guitar (heck, even air-guitar), they should put her in the band.  At least Axl sees her on a regular basis...

LET'S HEAR IT FOR BETA!!!

Rocktar wrote:
   "evertbody was very desapointed not to see Slash"


I wasn't disappointed.  I've liked Bucket since '94.
As far as "everybody", do you know what that word means?  I'm not trying to be a dick here, but "everybody" includes the Pope, Osama bin Laden, and Jenna fucking Jameson.  It would be better to write "The friends I was with" or "Most people I talked to" or even "My hamster and I". ;)
More seriously, most people I spoke to thought he was pretty cool...most of them had never seen him before.  One guy wondered why Slash was wearing a mask and bucket but when I explained who it was, he thought it was pretty bad-ass.
Just a rant.
I hope Bucket's not gone.  Who knows, really?
None of us, anyway.
/Mike

Axl better not be dumb enough to erase all of Bucket's recordings like he did with Fink's in '99

What the fuck?! Dude did you watch the show? Did you listen to what the VJ's were saying? Well did you?! I am not talking about what people said who were watching the show (friends family who don't know shit). I am talking about what MTV themselves said. Is that so complicated a concept for you?

MTV themselves gave Buckethead a huge reception. You calling me liar is so fucking foolish. Retract calling me that dude. It is innacurate. That is how it went down, is it not? You obviously didnt hear what they were saying for whatever reason. Anyone who watched it, can verify exactly how the VJ's and MTV responded.

I don't think anyone here is going on this piece of news solely. We've had a friend of buckethead's say that he won't be at rio, GNR has gone from the bucketboard and now this..... Thinking sensibly, it doesn't look too good does it?

@#$%Muther

yes I did, I didn't sleep all the night because it was 5 A.M In Paris. I already said on this message board that I was VERY exited and that I was blown away. But to be sincere, it was just for Axl. I was ashamed everytime the camera showed fink and buckethead. I was happy when it whowed Axl or Fortus because he rocks.

Glad to hear it. So then you know exactly what the VJ's and MTV had to say about Buckethead, and the huge reception they gave him was. Case closed. Nice apology there.

The laughter continious  :rofl:

Serioulsy though, how many times do we have to go over this? Dizzys second cousine, ex-wife mother in law says B. Head is still in the band. So turn your buckets around. Enjoy some nugets while you wait for the real nudle. Its all part of the master plan anyhow

Wasn't Dizzy quoted as saying that Buckethead is IN Gn'R, just a couple of days ago?

Oh what the hell... everybody... PANIC!!! :)

Until there is an official annoucement, or if Gn'R is officially dropped from Geffen, Universal, etc... whover, then there will be time for wide spread hysteria.  At the moment, just relax, sit back, and plan on hitchin' a ride to Portugal.  

Can life get any better than that??  Well now, can it?

Didn?t Bill Laswell say Buckethead was out, about one month ago?? This is what I meant when I said that I really would love to believe Mysteron?s sources, but really had no reason to doubt Laswell as well.


No..it was me......

RIR IV will for sure bring some answers....let's wait and see (although Laswell's story becomes more likely every day now).


Are you really this pathetic that you grasp every opportunity to turn this into a Buckethead vs. Slash thing? Buckethead got a great reception that night. There was a lot of fuzz about him being there. Not suprising if you take into account that MTV's Kurt Loder absolutely loves Buckethead (that probably has something to do with it} And believe it or not?very many people really don?t care about Slash not being in the band as long as he gets replaced by a guitarplayer of Buckethead?s greatness.

I would have liked to insult you, but the sad truth is that you wouldn't understand me.


You must have a very large brain, to hold so much ignorance (there I tried it anyway :hihi:). Please crawl back to the deadhorse-section?.

-PEACE-

Hallo Gunners,
Rember the talk about Buckethead destroying the mixerboard after Madison Square garden? Do you also remember mr Fincks picture a few days prior to that when a monster statue had a KFC hat on?
I think that they didn?t get along at all.
I think the picture on Mr Fincks site 7/12-03 two days after the cancellation of the tour says it all, it?s a church(grave yard). It is called the birds.
All the negative pictures which were posted before were birds. I think he means the band when he mentions birds.
I will be very surprised if GNR shows up in Lissabon.
All the others are doing their solos and tours. The only releases during the new band existence has been old material by the old band.
Maybe Mr Rose only can perform with the name GNR but not release new material with the same name. Something is wrong.
I don?t think CD will ever surface. I think it?s a myth.
I also think if Mr Rose doesn?t appear public soon that the whole thing about suing Geffen because GH release was just pr from both of them.
I hope didn?t offend you guys.
My source at Universal still says that he has not heard anything about CD now for a couple of years.
/Johan

And I suppose the fact that the area of the site was called birdwatch is because of that too? Robin Finck is obsessed with buckethead because of the bird references? Puhleeeeeeasssse.

@#$%Muther

 :rofl:

the thread is called Bucket out!!!!

Johan, where's the cold fact? I don't see any.

I cant believe that nearly the whole messageboard gives a fuck about this rumor (based on the holy source Blabbermouth)...

Do we know that AXL is still in the band? Do we? HUH?

WOOOOOOW! :o another poster with under 10 posts saying he has an inside source at Universal. Where are all these new board members meeting Universal employees? Christmas parties or something? ;D I agree on the Buckethead and Robin thing though, they didnt seem to get along all that well it seems. By the way, the update on gnronline.com is gone, it just says "No News Found" now. Sorry if its already been noticed.

Lisa Reed just confirmed it's not true.

Die Blabbermouth die!

Seeeeeee.

Blabbermouth is not a very reliable source.

Don't sweat it.

Every two weeks there is a post about BH being out. It's BS as usual. Why get caught up in it?

No need to create a new thread, Johan. Topics merged.

I hope your right about confirmation.  If not Axl really has lost it, Buckethead made that new band and the new GN'R needs him.  Someone please confirm this isn't true so we'll all be ok.

If Bucket's out, then Im out as well.  

Don't belive anything you hear unless...well..unless nothing, coz no one can be trusted in the world of GNR.

Well, I don't know what you need to hope for.  You can see her comments for yourself.

The exact quote was "not true <emoticon>"

Post the link dude so we can put an end to this proposterous rumour!

Jesus Christ, all this is doing my fucking head in!

Dammit, loretian!!  What was the emoticon?  Was Lisa trying to get a secret message out through the confidentiality agreement she may or may not be subject to??  Speak up, man!! ;D
Seriously...thanks for the update.
/Mike

How about I just save a screen shot of the window and then post it on a geocities site?  ;)

No, seriously, she posted it.  Others on this site are visiting there too (I can see their screen names on in the current visitor section), so they can confirm it too.  The topic is "Dizzy Comments on Buckethead"

It's there.
Sigh of relief....
/Mike

Hahah, well, the emoticon was GRAY-  Maybe it's a reference to GRAY color of tombstones, ie - FUNERALs, which we all know is written on Buckethead's "hat", and she was implying that Buckethead is in fact dead and no longer with us.

What would be useful is if someone could ask Lisa to tell Blabbermouth the truth about this story and get them to remove the story or to post the truth on their site, otherwise this nonsense will end up all over the internet

http://pub238.ezboard.com/fthesirdizzyreedappreciationsocietypart2frm2.showMessage?topicID=1023.topic (http://pub238.ezboard.com/fthesirdizzyreedappreciationsocietypart2frm2.showMessage?topicID=1023.topic)

NOT TRUE, NOT TRUE, WOOHOOOO!

If this had been true, this board would have turned into some sort of support centre for the emotionally distressed.

Now group..... one thing at a time. We've gotten thru a scare. And that is one step in the right direction. Now back to this legal business....

At least we've seen how important people find Buckethead.

@#$%Muther

That's a good idea Mysteron. :yes:

And for God sakes, I hope no one says that Lisa Reed doesn't know anything about this situation considering it was her husband who was quoted as saying Buckethead was out of the band.

Ali

Is it possible that Buckethead is just waiting for his contract to run out before he leaves and that's why we are hearing he is still with the band because he technically is until it expires? It would explain the unofficially comment in the article.

Well, it's possible, but that wouldn't explain why Lisa Reed said her husband never made those comments.  So, anything else would be pure speculation.

Hahahaha...cool, we need that anyway..its a strange rollercoaster being a Guns N Roses fan...HTGTH gives us life.

I dont give a fuck about anything, i just wanna hear some new fucking material!

Whether its Buckethead on guitar or Axl or Elvis fucking Presley.

Unfortunately apart from the live tracks we have been given there is little else, well nothing in fact.

Back to being sceptical for me.

Okay....After that emotional rollercoaster....I NEED BEER!

Hey Donkey, I can send you a video of an interview of Pink on the red carpet before the show saying she was here to see Buckethead, with Axl.....Sooooo You my friend are the liar.

Also Please for the love of God change your damn avatar...

"Uppers and downers" should be the name of CD, cuz this is trully a sentimental roller coaster. i need to get drunk just to get over these minutes of anxioty and dispair.

You're right, but in another thread she replies saying "I doubt he would say that." So that makes her sound less certain about it.  ??? I'll take her word for it though, cause obviously she of all people should know if he said it.

I suggested it to Lisa.   She's not online anymore, though, so no quick response.

That's true, I didn't see those comments before.  Like you said, she would know though - I mean, if the (arguably) second most important member of the band was out, she probably would have heard about it.

WHEW!!!!  Close one folks...My heart skipped a few there...Have a beer on me...Now we can return to the legal wranglings and skepticism, but at least we know they're a cohesive unit...AHHH...doesn't that feel warm and fuzzy?

Cheers :beer:
Joe

How quick we jump on a rumor, but also, how quick we jump off.

I am the only one that doesn't take......not true :| as a definate response.
I'm sure if Bucket was out, Dizzy making those comments could be a problem with the Furor (Axl). So she could just be covering. But she did dance a little. It went from not true, to "I doubt he'd say that" next will be "I think Axl's in the band, and I hear Slash is out"

Thanks, random.  Trust me when I say I've done my share of coming, seeing, and conquering.  I'm lucky enough to have a job where there is a lot of "hurry up and wait", especially with some of the DB work I do.  In addition, unless I'm actually coding, I can usually do 2 or 3 things at once. HTGTH and Gnr are usually one of them... :)

Given Agatha was British, and her native language was English, I have to assume that "Ten Little Indians" is the original title.

Edit: I stand corrected.  It was released as "Ten Little Niggers" in the UK, and the title was changed when it was released in the U.S....due to the obvious racial connotations.  It has since been retitled again as "And then there were none".

http://www.agathachristie.com/essentials/mustread/0087.shtml

Axl is no fool, neither is Buckethead.  Bucket made a commitment.  I bet he had to sign a contract saying that if he ever left the band, he'd owe the band 10 million dollars or something. GNR owns Buckethead, bottomline.

LOL! This is not a new rumor: it's as old as time itself. For weeks people have "confirmed reports that Bucket is out of the band". I've told several people on here for weeks that this rumor is simply ludicrous. Every one of these guys are in it for the absolute long haul. Don't be so gullible. As GNR fans, we long to hear a word about anyone related to GNR, and so what if a few losers have the ability to spin a rumor and make it sound like fact. Don't be so quick to believe everything.

we have all seen the shit that comes from blabbermouth - hence the name

I usually dismiss them but I'll be honest my heart skipped a beat on this one - may the person who started this rumor be sliced thinly and bathed in vinegar

Some of you guys are such an easy target for all the bullshitters - if you wouldn't act like this every single time, maybe they would lose interest in fucking with you...it looks bad all the way, but let's just wait and see what Lisbon tells us, right ?  ;)

Does anyone else find Mysteron's wording on this a bit odd? - its like he's creating a separation between the removal of the story and the 'truth' about the situation.  I think there might be a bit more to this story than we think - it could just be an issue where nothing's been confimed yet or something similiar.

I'm also picking up from this that he thinks Lisa knows what's going on - the whole thing is just uber-whacked.


-darknemus

Bullshit, just because it sounds bad doesn't mean it's not a rumor.

Blabbermouth lies through their teeth.

I think it's a fucking joke how everyone keeps thinking Mysteyon
knows all the answers - it's almost annoying..and he might just think something like this as well...we all just have to wait and see, that's just how it is right now !

I don't know, I think you might be reading too much into what he's saying.  He's said a lot of things that could be interpreted several ways, but the most obvious meaning always turns out to be what he meant.

Anyway, I contacted Lisa about this and she seems prepared to do it.  I'll post an update once it's done.

Also, she had further comments regarding this situation:
"he hasn't said anything to me about it and that would be pretty big news I would think"

It doesn't sound like a conspiracy to me.

I think you're having withdrawl symptoms from not enough carbs and it's sending you a little whacky....or more whacky...

Having said that, if Buckethead was "unofficially" out of the band, do you think Axl would be happy with Dizzy if his wife put it on the internet that he was out of the band?

I don't think Dizzy wants to get sued.

Don't get me wrong - I dont think Mysteron knows all the answers.  He's admitted the majority of his information comes direct from Sanctuary.  By definition, Sanctuary as the management company is only going to know one side of the story, typically - and that would be the talent's side.

Sanctuary would always try to paint a rosy picture (no pun intended) - because, well, they want to keep the talent looking good.

In my opinion, though, when talent and record company start suing each other - that's definitely the sign of a strained relationship, to state the least.

-darknemus

True or not, does anybody actually think  Bucket considers/considered GNR anything more than a side project?

I've alway been of the mind he's a solo artist first and foremost.

That said, I hope he's still in the band.

dark, that wasn't directed to you - I think you're right, a strained relationship indeed...I just wanted to say calm down everybody and leave mysteron the fuck alone, he's not in the band or something... ;) There's gotta be some news soon !

ok, let's imagine that this is true, that bucket is out.

how can someone sugest that gn'r is over because of this?

slash left the band and axl still continued with it. i guess slash is a much bigger reference in gn'r thatn buckethead. if slash was replacable, buckethead is way more!
i hope he's still in, but if he left, i guess finck and fortus can pretty much do all the guitar work. fortus proved that he's an amazing lead guitarrist (nov rain, rocket queen, think about you, madagascar), and we all know that he was the one to be the lead guitarrist before buckethead got the job.

A moneymaking project perhaps?

I told ya so!!

Buckethead IS out of GnR....all you have to do is use a little common sense to see that the negatives now outweigh the positives of him sticking on in the band.  He has nothing else to gain from such a commitment.  Sticking on with Axl in the midst of this lawsuit mess would be a liability for Bucket....I'm sure its nothing he wants to be associated with.  

BH is a guy at a creative peak...he don't wanna sit around for five years like Axl and twiddle his thumbs and squeeze zits on his shoulders...he's a guy that has alot going musically and creatively.  He got a publicity boost from being a GnR "bandmember" for a time, and now he sees its time to move on.  The guy is hungry...he wants to play shows and make music.  Axl let him down...Axl let down the entire nu-GnR with his sociopathic, catatonic ways.  Shame on you, Axl...as always.  

I'm sure some of you won't believe BH is gone...but then again, those are the same kinds of people who won't entertain any notions about GnR happenings until they hear some kind of press release or news story.  There's a good number of people here who have a hard time putting 2 and 2 together....but instead, they cling to quotes from Axl and the bandmembers from four or five years ago, to try to interpret the current state of GnR.  Thats not a very good method.

i don't believe in it...I just will when some member of the band (read AXL or even Buck) comes out and confimr it, or not...


For me it's a fuckin' rumor that everybody believe, like that "Paul is dead" shit...

I rest my case    :hihi:

I don?t think this way...
do you though of the possibility that BHEAD has the "same" ego that Axl and don?t acept the boss "laws" and just put a end in the history?! ( now or in the 2002 tour )
you know, after Axl, BHEAD is thet guy that got all the atention of the fans and midia...

So Dizzy was 'mistaken' about Buckethead..funny how his family know more about GNR than he does....and its funny how Dizzy is so consitently 'misinformed'....

or what dizzy say was something that the "Boss" don't want to come out...

Or.... Does "unofficially out" mean "OFFICIALLY IN"  ;D

P.S.  I wonder what Lisa meant by "not true"  ???   Did she mean "not true" that BH is out or "not true" that Dizzy said anything?

what?!? I lost myself...I don't get it...

How was dizzy mistaken? Why take the word of blabber mouth and some random fan.
Hell  you could write into blabbermouth and say axl told u the release date of CD and they would print it.

Get a clue.
You really think dizzy would tell some random fan that BH is out of gnr?

Dave and I don't agree on much, but I'm with him on this.

Dizzy isn't going to "blabbermouth" to just anybody regarding such an important band-related issue.  In fact, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Axl stipulated that Dizzy's (and the other band members') contract included a confidentiality clause that prohibited him from speaking to people about such issues.


However, I wouldn't at all be surprised if any member of the band quits anytime soon.  If I were a serious musician, I certainly wouldn't want to rest on my laurels for years on end waiting on Axl.

Remember this is the same guy who told me Chinese Democracy would be in my hands by February 03.

Looks like the thread has been removed from the dizzy page.. anyone else seeing it?

I was quick to believe he was out too..

It all pointed that way..

-comments made about no buckets at rir4 at the buckethead show
-recent removal of the GNR link at his page
-Dizzys comments about him being out
-Dizzy saying the CD has been finished but some DETAILS need to be resolved

Someone care to recap I am too lazy to read trough the whole thread,any confirmation or denial of this story

There was two threads, one of them appears to be gone, maybe they were merged?

Nope.. the original thread is gone and as far as I can see, its content hasn't been merged into the other thread.
Here was the link http://pub238.ezboard.com/fthesirdizzyreedappreciationsocietypart2frm2.showMessage?topicID=1023.topic - not like it will do anyone much good now.

-darknemus

Matt Pinfield is the only one from MTV who had a woody for Buckethead the night of the VMA's. And Pinfield himself is a goof.

Who really thought CD would be out any time soon anyway? I sure the hell didnt! Anyone seen youngunner lately?...LOL Buckethead has probably left or has been fired (most likely fired)! Buckethead wont be the only one leaving IMO...

Not pretending like I know any more than anybody else here but this is some fucked up shit. Blabbermouth and sites like that will post any thing that looks like news. They don't check sources first, they just report it.

Like OH MY GOD!! Did you read the cover of National Enquirer today? Fishboy and the worlds largest baby are really twins seperated at birth!!  :hihi:

Does anybody think that if Buckethead was "unofficially" out of the band that he might just be under contract undtil the album and tour come up and then he goes?

BH probably is under some kind of contract--but who knows?  Blame ClearChannel for Philly? It just doesn't seem like you can blame that situation on one person...there was probably enough "dick-holding" to go around if you know what I'm saying ;D
Who Knows? I guess if GNR show at the end of May for RIR4, then, at least, a couple of questions will be answered : ok:

Is this "not true" taken from Dizzy board:

   
MARCH

blah blah blah. here we are again. I feel like a broken record. no chinese democracy news that I can tell you!  oh well. there is this though. Dizzy Reed's Hookers and Blow will be performing on the East coast so get there if you can!!
here are the dates
3/18 The corner pocket Orange CT
3/19 The Lucky dog Music hall Worcester MA
3/20 Cargo's & NBSP Hartford CT
3/21 Tribeca Rock Club NY, NY

then he is off to Chicago from there so check it out.  
I have not been up on all the rumors lately since my computer bit the dust for a couple of days but yes Bucket is still in the band as far as we know, and yes they will eventually come out with this darn album [/u]

Or is this "not true" same source:


k just asked Diz about the cat club story and he said NOTHING about Buckethead at all in any conversation whatsoever. NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING!!!

i know i prob get killed for this i have nothing but RESPECT for BH but.........I dont think he fits with gnr he makes the band look like nothing but well clowns me and my dad have been fans since well since i was old enough to put on head phones and BH just makes the rest of the band look like they dont belong...BH is an amaziing guitar player but i think he needs to stay w/ the dude from primus and whatnot

RCKN:

Yes that is all true. That is Dizzy's wife posting our monthly news. I admin at the Dizzy Reed site and i can tell you that the she is who she is and what she says is what she knows.

Guns_N_Ballz

I'll tell you what I am going to do.  I am going to sit at home and listen to some OLD dvd's and old cd's of the band.  Because all this Chinese Democracy is a one big abomination.  I am rolling on the floor laughing my ass off at Axl!

Well,Any ideas for replacments. I save dave from janes addiction or zakk wylde or slash :drool: hey I can dream cant I

Oh my god....something Dizzy said was true...... :nervous:

I guess the band has none about this for a while......

Dizzy aviasly knows what hes talking about i guess

if dizzy confirmed this and now this news hes definetly gone

okay now we believe the part about Buckethead

what about the other two questions he answered?

Even though he (supposedly said) that Buckethead was out... he still said that
the album should be out this year.

Why would he say the album is coming out still in one breath and reveal about Buckethead being out in the next breath IF Buckethead being out meant no album?

And yes I KNOW that we have heard that before (the album is coming out) but if he was just saying that because its the stock answer... why didn't he give a stock answer to the Buckethead question such as "the band is intact"?

I want to believe that its because even though Buckethead is/was out... that the plan to release the CD was/is still a go.

Its not like THEY didn't know about Buckethead.  Sure WE are just getting this info but they have to already have faced it and figured something out.

Exactly