Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Long time lurker here.  I read you guys arguments every day.  Here's some more fuel for the fire.

I have a buddy who gets this wrestling newsletter via email.  He knows i'm a GnR freak so he emailed me this part:

WRESTLING  365  NEWSLETTER
Monday, February 9, 2004 - Issue #160


Wrestling 365 is the most widely read pro wrestling
newsletter in the world. It's enjoyed every day by industry
power players, many top wrestlers and subscribed to by
thousands of fans around the world.


IN TODAY'S EDITION OF WRESTLING 365


- Tons of exclusive notes on WrestleMania XX
- RAW does huge business in Japan
- News on another big WWE oversea event
- Media articles on Kurt Angle and others
- Major League Wrestling cancels... AGAIN!


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STRAIGHT FROM THE MAT - W365 NEWSWIRE


Wrestling365 has learned that the latest
incarnation of Guns N' Roses are negotiating
with WWE reps to perform live at WrestleMania
XX. The band have recently recorded a remake
of "Welcome To! The Jun gle" which could end up
being the official pay-per-view theme song.
A WWE insider told us: "Nothing is confirmed
but we're keeping our fingers crossed."


-I seriously doubt it too.  But just wanted to pass it along.
Discuss.

Black Hawk Down, no way  :no:

I hope they stay the hell away from wrestling at any rate.

I doubt it...

If it is true, I dont know if I like it or not... :-\

 :yes: to GNR going back in public

 :no: to a "WTTJ" remake

Is wrestling still even popular?

I would love to hear a Jungle re-make. Just not with wrestling. It would have been cool in Black Hawk Down.

1) I doubt it's true

2) I'm contacting my "sources" for more info (aka: Dave Scherer and Buck Woodward, formerly of 1wrestling.com, now at pwinsider.com). If anyone on the planet would know if it's legit, outside of WWE employees, it would be them.

I'll post when I hear back from them.   :)

wrestling .........  :confused:

please no.
pleas.

for once, im hoping the rumor is BS.

wrestling :'( wttj remake :'( :'( :'(

I'm not into wrestling AT ALL.    But the guy who sent me the original email says the wrestlemania music act is a big deal. They perform several times during the show and have one theme song that they keep playing during all the graphics and whatnot.

Last year it was Limp Bizkit, when they had a new album coming out.  (Fred Durst looked like a midget among the wrestlers.)

All that aside, wrestling is far too homoerotic for this to be a good idea.

yes, but I hear from my cousin who is friends with someone who used to clean cars that he met some chick who was into wrestling that it's not true  :)

wasnt GNR dednied to make a new version of WTTJ on Black Hawk Down? if so, why should they be allowed to make one for WWE?

maybe buckethead is gone
and the Undertaker is playing the guitar now  ;D

wrestling...meaning like fake wrestling RAW etc? no fuckin way this is true!

all I hear lately is people complaining about how everyone is redoing old shit. Aerosmtih doing Dream On at the Super Bowl, Janet Jackson doing an 80s songs, Sting doing Roxanne at the grammys, etc. there's too many examples to mention.

If GN'R does that, they'll get ripped to shreds. And deservedly so IMO. Only way this could work would be would be IF Chinese Democracy came out and was a hit. But trying to recycle WTTJ again without releasing anything new would be a disaster and people would get the impression (even more so that they already have) that AXL can't come up with something new and that's why he hasn't release anything in 10 years.

Either way, wrestling sucks.

I would assume this ties into the Layzie Bone remake story:

http://www.a-2-zentertainment.com/news.html

"Layzie is almost done recording his rock record.  He?s using a lot of live instruments on the album, which is a change of style.  Layzie did a remake of the song Welcome to the Jungle (By Guns & Roses).  Layzie?s version is Welcome 2 My Jungle and the song is about St. Clair.  This isn't confirmed, but Layzie may perform @ this years' WWE Wrestlemania in Madison Square Garden.  He will be performing Welcome 2 My Jungle with feat. Guest Guns & Roses.  This is not confirmed yet."

They'd be a complete joke if this were true.

Don't believe it for a second.

There was a rumor about GnR being on Raw awhile back that turned out to be BS.  

Besides, wrestling is reserved for crap bands like Disturbed and Saliva.

Wrestling hasn't been cool for 10 years.  :no:

i hate to bring his name up but didn't danny mention a gnr/wrestling tie once?  i know he was proven to be a complete fraud but it does just seem strange

I doubt this is true, but it does make some sense from the WWE perspective.  How great would it be for them to get GNR? Besides, I'm sure there are quite a few GNR fans out there willing to spend $40 on the ppv to see them perform.

It doesn't make much sense from a GNR perspective, though. What would be the point in going to WM if they aren't promoting anything?


You might want to contact Dave Meltzer at the Observer, too. He is a pretty good source for info.

GNR in RAW...Axl would never go this low.

I don't know Meltzer that well.  Considering what little contact I've had with him (meaning, he won't recognize my name), I suspect he'd just pass my email off and reply with something standard like "havent heard that".  Dave and Buck, on the other hand, are a bit more likely to make some phone calls on my behalf to do some fact checking, given they "know" me (in the sense we've exchanged lots of email), to some extent.  Buck was actually at one of the GnR shows during the ill fated tour....and we spent some time discussing that at one point.

If you've had some contact with Meltzer, and think he might do the legwork if you were to ask him about it, feel free! The more irons in the fire and all that....

Yeah, No one will take GNR seriously if they ever play on show like that...

But new version of wttj :-*

wow, that would be pretty cheesy...but, hey nothing would surprise me at this point...guess we'll find out :confused:

You don't think that's why he got the Mobil Gas Station Neon Horse do you?...he's getting rid of the GnR graphic and going with Mobil's dead horse? LOL  

I don't think it would taint GnR. Them playing anywhere, ANYWHERE at all, would untaint them.

Dave Meltzer is very reliable. The Wrestling Observer is like the Wall Street Journal of Wrestling.


Enough with the bashing already. You people talk shit about it and don't even know about it.

Watch Beyond the Mat, that'll change your opinion.

D, Chinese Illusion, Stoned Maids, Big Poppa Dump, and Evolution help me here.


Axl probably likes the glitz of Wrestlemania.

Give him a break, I don't insult Friends because it's scripted (Some of shit the wrestlers do actually do hurt, except for the punches and kicks)

Whether some of you like the idea or not, IF GNR were to perform at Wrestlemania it would be a lot of publicity for them.  I don't know where it is taking place this year, but usually is held in a pretty big stadium.  I think last year there was like 60,000 people there.  Plus millions of people around the world watch this shit on pay-per-view.  It definitely wouldn't hurt the band in any way, just in some of your eyes. :smoking: :smoking:

Appearing at Wrestlemania II didn't hurt the career of a certain Ozzy Osbourne.  ::)

And he probably would have covered Paranoid by Sabbath if he'd been allowed to perform, so where's the damn difference?

ANY GN'R IS GOOD GN'R.

Except a duet with Nelly or some tosser...  ;D

WMXX is in Madison Square Garden and Motorhead played at WM17 I think and it rocked the house!!!
I dont think Axl can taint GNR anymore so Im all for it.
 :smoking:

Not this year.  WM XX is going to be at MSG..much smaller venue than last year.  Still, it IS MSG.

Just seems like a rehash of an old rumor to me. :-\

Ill all for it because it millions of people watch it. But if they arent there to promote cd then its useless and are leavign themselves to get critisized. So if they are there to play some of the new stuff becuase of the album is out then im totally for it.

Mysteron - Heard anything about this?

Agreed.  I just don't "talk" to him, so my email to him would, I suspect, get lost among the many emails that I'm sure hit his inbox every day.  As I said, if anyone DOES correspond with him regularly, and thinks that their email will get the attention it "deserves", please, by all means, send it off.....

I don't know Meltzer too well (I'm not into wrestling anymore), but a friend of mine does so I can ask him to ask Meltzer to see what he says. My first reaction was that it was false because it didn't come from one of the big two.

I have run the music at wrestling events, and I can tell you that those guys are athletes.  Predetermined is NOT the same as fake.  Besides, it's been MANY years since wrestling has even pretended to be real.  WWE is surely no faker than Shakespeare.


On-topic, it would not hurt at all for Guns to play WMXX, although I haven't heard anything about it.  My sources tend to be ex-WWE/F employees, though, local ring announcers and such, so they're not necessarily privy to these things.  The fact is that most cable companies depend heavily on WWE events for a sizable chunk of PPV revenue.  Wrestlemania is usually the most ordered PPV of the years, and not just for wrestling...for everything.  Like it or not, it has a massive core audience.  Literally millions will watch WM this year.  Many of them will be younger adults not as familiar with Gn'R, and no-wrestling fans will most likely not even be aware of an appearance.
Could be good, although I don't see it happening.
Sorry so disjointed...I'm running a show.
/Mike

WM is March 14th, so that would put us in the ballpark for hearing "something" soon................I have mixed feelings on this.  Wrestling is nowhere near as popular as it was even 4-5 years ago, and then ask yourself if you want the WWE crowd on the GNR bandwagon.   Whatever Axl does, I have to assume there's some rationale behind it (READ:$$$$$) and like the Million Dollar Man once said at Wrestlemania back in the good ol' days  "Everybody's got a price"

Hahaha, this guy knows his stuff  ;D  :beer:

I hope that GNR doesn't perform there.  It would be there first performance back and I don't think that coming back to a wrestling show would be the best.  This won't happen, I think they will make an appearance on MTV or let them know first before they do anything like this.  

Thats one rumour i hope is true, that would rock so much!

(Might even win GNR with the ''younger generation'' you lot worry so much about)

Would you guys shutup and stop saying wrestling would make GNR look like a joke.Fact is,wrestling is very popular and would be a good place for GNR to start the return.One year Wrestlmania got 102,000 fans to the Pontiac Silver dome and last year got about 80,000 at Safeco Field in Seattle.They could do that again,but they decided to have it at MSG where Wrestlmania started.A lot of big bands have had there songs be official songs of WWE payperviews,and getting your song to be the Wrestlmania song seems like it would be a cool honor seeing as it is the "big event" for wrestling yearly.

Indeed. I doubt it would be Axl if it was to be an MTV appearance.

Probably Dizzy again. It's not likely to be Buckethead is it?  ;D

By the way,here is the official site just in case something pops up about it.

http://www.wrestlemania.com/

Actually silverdome was 93,173 (Probably about 80,000 paid) and Safeco was about 70,000 (about 68,000 paid)

but still huge no matter what.

I think MTV sucks a lot more than wresting. At least wrestling fans would probably give GN'R a listen. MTV fans would fret that there's too much guitar and that Axl's voice is too original and it doesn't sound anything like Creed or Sum 41.

I doubt that this is true.  

That said, I don't see why everyone is so down on wrestling.  Those guys are a hell of a lot more entitled to call themselves atheletes than golfers IMO.  I don't watch wrestling, and haven't for a few years, but when I was in high school I watched wresting a few times a week ... if GNR were to perform for Wrestlemania they would expose themselves to the younger crowd.  I can't think of a better way to target the 18-35 year old male demographic.

Sheesh, why does this board like to get peoples' hopes up like this?
 
Every time I come here there's a 40 post thread about something....


The SuperBowl.....
.....doesnt happen......

The Grammys.......
......doesnt happen.......

Now Wrestlemania?????



I'm surprised the BS'ers skipped the Pro Bowl! Look at the guy's profile, it says "faker" there. And everyone, please stop these 50 post rumore threads! It's inhumane!! :)

Holy shit, this would be great! Okay, there will be so much press for this show it's not even funny. WrestleMania 20, Madison Square Garden sold out from top to bottom, omg. Some of you may say wrestling sucks, but it's a great medium for getting exposure. This is expected to possibly be the most watched pay-per-view event in history.

We have teams at work all day creating these threads and this is how u respond! :hihi:


Very true but it passes the time.......

I highly doubt it...wrestlings popularity has been on a downslide for 4 or 5 years.  

i heard bone thugs are covering the song

I think this would be a step foward for GN'R there lasy show was at MSG so what a better place to make a return

I highly doubt it...wrestlings popularity has been on a downslide for 4 or 5 years.

I know wrestling's popularity has been decreasing, but trust me: year after year, Wrestlemania is still as big. As a matter of fact, for the past 3-4 years, each WM has gotten bigger, in terms of bigger arenas, more people attending, etc. WMXX is a HUGE deal. Don't underestimate Vinnie Mac.

HAahaha.  You guys are too much.  I'm just passing along an email.  If you think it's fake, go find the Wrestling 365 newsletter it came from.  

It's not fake, it's just probably incorrect.  I'm one of you.  I don't want any read any fake info and i sure as hell wouldn't write it.  

I happen to be on of those "wrestling fans on the GNR band-wagon", so I may seem a bit biased, but from my view this is a great move.  Even the most casual wrestling fan, who may order only 1 or 2 PPV's a year, makes Wrestlemania a priority.  There's no doubt that if it goes down GNR will be lambasted by mainstream media, who will just perpetuate the "GNR as a joke" mentality, regardless of what they do.  Fact is, GNR have never been media darlings, regardless of the line-up.  The bottom line here is getting the 18-35 year old demographic who may or may not be familiar with GNR pumped up for a return, a new release, etc.  By doing a classic GNR song (if nothing new is played, and it will, in fact be WTTJ), it will give youngsters who have no clue who GNR were a kick in the gut and will probably blow a lot of 11-13 year olds heads off (much like a lot of us when we saw the original video on late-night MTV).  Keep in mind, the post said "currently negotiating," and we are all very aware of Axl's tendency to back out of things.  Either way, just as with everything else, we shall see.
 :beer:
Joe

Cool, Axl can now join the likes of Kid Rock and Limp Bizkit.... dear god no.

this would be a good publicity move and it would reach out to a lot of people, so that would be good, but on the flip side, it is wrestling, I hate wrestling, but I would sit through it to watch GNR, hell ya, but the truth is we wont know until it happens

1). Wrestling is still very very popular
2). Wrestlemania is a huge event
3). Loads of badass bands have performed at wrestlemania as mentioned

Therefore
1). Lots and lots of publicity - huge tv audience
2). Perfect target audience

I think it would rock  :beer:

@#$%Muther

P.S. leave wrestling alone. Those guys go through some serious pain and are extremely well trained athletes.  :rant:

RAW is WAR, WAR is W. AXL ROSE....i can see the nice twist they'd put on it, i don't think this is a bad move at all, to play for a whole new generation, but if it were their breakout back on the scene, that i wouldn't like, maybe if there's a single out already and gnr take the stage, than thats all good



rock n' roll

Apart from the live audience...do you guys know how many fucking people watch WM around the world every year?

Eh....Lots= Promotion and recognition.

This thread is not about Wrestling its about GNR PLAYING the greatest live spectacle in the world, beamed to 100's of countries worldwide.

If they do this...who the fuck needs promotion?


New Fiona Apple...im a little suprised at your omission of my name from the list of Wrestling "believers".

That said....GNR will reinvent themselves in my mind if they do this shit.

They're playing at the final in the football (soccer) World Cup?  :hihi:

Wrestling isn't THAT big....


Personally I think it's a misunderstanding just like that "club gig" where it turned out to be Adler's Appetite performing.



/jarmo

Yeah me too, i feel betrayed.....

I beg to differ...but will not turn this into a wrestling popularity thread...its not about that!

I like this rumour more than any ove heard but will treat it as ever as a rumour and nothing else.

The reason being is i love Wrestling and WM is awesome!

Wrestling=Great
GN'R=Great

Good thing if GN'R did this is the exposure they would get cos despite what you wrestling haters think Wrestlemania is the one PPV a year you watch, you can flip off the other 11 but not this, and this year it is number 20 the big motherfucker that they have been promoting for years and as things stand aside from 'The Rock' and 'Mick Foley' turning out no legends look like they are gonna be returning.  The line-up looks a bit dull, it needs some big shock which could be GN'R.  Personally i think it will not happen i just can't imagine it, i mean 'Your in the Jungle Brock....You're Gonna die'.

One thing i do not like about this rumour is i generally associate WWE with music i do not like although there have been exceptions.  Monster Magnet do Matt Hardy's theme and Metallica did the Summerslam theme.

The likes of Limp Bizkit, Kid Rock, Drowning Pool, Puddle of Mudd are all associated, bands i would not piss on if they were on fire but hell who knows GN'R may do it.

P.S. No offence to any Limp Bizkit fans (D) or any of the others i slagged off  : ok:

If it is a misunderstanding it ain't the same kind cos there is no way Adler's Appetite would play a show as big as Wrestlemania XX

I mean, just because somebody made a remake of a GN'R song, doesn't mean GN'R is gonna be performing....


/jarmo

I know but at the same time Vinnie Mac would only have GN'R doing a GN'R song no cheap imitation or crap band around today covering them

Thinking about this a bit more, let's hope that this appearance isn't a promo for a GH CD with a remade WTTJ included as a "bonus track" :no:  The Police did the same on their GH release in 1986
 :beer:
joe

Anything is possible - I believe it. Why? Because
Columbia Records & World Wrestling Entertainment, Inc. have joined forces, the cd was released on january 13.There was a statement released by Vince McMahon who is the WWE chairman.

I was just going to mention the GH. The timing is perfect for the GH if the rumors of the March 30 GH release are true.

wow!serves me right for not checking the board earlier today here!gnr performing at wm would without a doubt be brilliant because what with wrestlemania being in madison square garden in new york the media in new york with be all over this event.every year it is a event worth running a story on in the newspapers so guns n' roses playing there would be considered major news for the likes of mtv and vince mcmahon is notorious for doing anything for some headlines in the press.in recent years he has had a wrestler(kane) accused of necrophilia,teased the gay wedding of a tag team(billy and chuck),made the undertaker develop satanic traits and participated in some fairly rough wrestling angles with his son,daughter and wife.so think about it in vince's head,he wants his event,his pride and joy wrestlemania to go down in history as the best ever and be talked about for years to come so what better way to make it go off with a bang by having the most dangerous band in the world make their comeback.the vma's in 2002 were shite but they are still talked about because of the 10 minute set guns n' roses did.so basically in my view gnr at wrestlemania is a very good thing for me as a wrestling fan and as well as a music fan.
 another thing i noticed.the subtitle for wrestlemania xx featured on advertisments is "where it all begins...again" a blind man could see what im saying there!possibly a wry hint from vinnie mac??
when you consider the amount of people who see the event live,on tape delay and then on video or dvd years later imagine what percentage will say to themselves "fuck that band kicks ass" and purchases cds,merch etc. turned possibly millions more into gnr.
 i feel that a performance at wm xx would be a VERY shrewd move from axl and vince mcmahon

p.s thanks fiona apple!

Evolution

I forgot about that sub-title to the event...great point Evolution, it goes hand in hand..

Joe

idont care anymore, gnr could have the theme song to dawsons creek and id be happy! just get summat out!

...okay, so i would be concerned, but at least thered be some news! argh! lol

playing it live instead of releasing it on a soundtrack?

is Jimmy "the superfly" Snuka wrestling at XX


 :D


Axl will ROCK at XX....fuck ya

Whether is Wrestlemania or running of the bulls in pamplona, I don't care. but WTTJ remix?? what kinda shit is that????

jarmo,
  Believe it or not...it is.  Take a look at WWE's financials from last year to get an idea of how big.  I remember reading an article last year that said the Big PPV companies (InDemand, DirectTV, etc) make something like 25% - 30% (and maybe more) of their TOTAL yearly revenue from Wrestling PPV's, and about 8% to 10% of that is from 'Mania alone.   Make no mistake about it...Wrestling, while not enjoying the popularity it did in years past, is still a HUGE moneymaker.  

Oh, and it IS beamed to hundreds of countries, world wide.

BRING IT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Yeah i notice on ticketmaster that wrestling is always like in top ten for tickets. Oh well used to be into wrestling now music  :) In a couple of weeks we should hear something offical from wwe. Although with gnr its very quite when it comes to doing a gig...

Motorhead performed live one year haha but usually the bands/songs do suck.

I look at it as a performing art, like theater, rather than a sport, it's less embarassing that way  : ok:

but yeah this Sunday is a PPV and then after that they're going to start head on full ass promotion of Wrestlemania. It's like March 14th or something at MSG, so the stage would be set for a GN'R Performance, hoping to hell it's not a Jungle remake though, that'd be a little lame.

So a week from tonight, meaning next Monday on RAW, they'll start the big time Wrestlemania promotion, including the official song, etc. so if it's gonna be GNR we'll know next Monday.

Later guys,

and oh yeah Meltzer is probably the top source in all of wrestling journalism, if there is a such thing, so I'd trust his word over anything (www.wrestlingobserver.com)

later guys.

No offence Jarmo - but Soccer (or Football) is not exactly an interest in North America.  Nobody cares.  plain and simple.  Nobody cares if Manchester United wins the Crown Trophy of The Wales Cup of Scandinavia (yes I made that up) in North America.  Soccer here is mostly for the immigrants.  Wrestling is bigger.  Soccer is lower than golf and curling here. As a matter of fact - 5 pin bowling might even rival it.

ya canada and the us might as well be the only 2 countries in the world that doesn't strictly follow any soccer league...its a shame, champions league kicks ass,


rock n' roll

LOL, now look what you guys did!!


http://www.pwtorch.com/artman/publish/article_7079.shtml


Now someone will use this as a source on another GNR board! The cycle continues!

GNR at Wrestlemania would be awesome. Not to mention the rest of the good matches at the PPV. P.S. I am a big wrestling fan as well..

wrestlemania isnt just some event it is huge, i dont know how many different countries but its a shitload millions and millions will see it

good news

im in contact with a person at www.prowrestling.com which is a much respected wrestling site and they cant confirm its true but theyve also read it which means the dude who started this thread isnt full of shit

"For what it's worth, there is a rumor floating around Guns'n'Roses message boards that they're going to perform at WrestleMania 20. "

hahah, fuckin priceless, next thing you know it'll be on entertainment tonight, rumors swirling from gnr website about performing at ww20


rock n' roll

Would that be Tracey Russell?

I agree wrestling is huge but so was ricky martin, doesn't mean there is any substance to it. I'm not dissing on wrestling, I think it could be a very good move, just as good as being on M.T.V, but you also have to take into account that the next gn'r concert you go to may have a few more lovers of sheep that like to hunt coons  and have sexual relations from close relatives that go to the show yelling yee-haw after the song they like most gets played.... take no offense not all wrestling fans are like that, just 70-80 percent of them.

that was the dumbest shit ive ever read dude, have u been under a fuckin rock for the last 10 years? wrestling is not your hillbilly redneck shit, it is very mainstream one of the top rated shows on cable and its pay perview buy rates are always at the top

id say over 20 million people all over the world will be watching wrestlemania, u cant get much better exposure than that, and since u obviously dont know shit, the main demographic that watches wrestling is the 18-34 age group

what age group do u think gnr are targeting? exactamundo einstein 18-34 year olds, so this i think would be an excellent move!

I was a fan when it was actually good from 96-2001...when WCW competed with WWF (Sting, Hogan, Macho Man, nWo, etc).  Now I could care less, but it's starting to get big again.  On top of that MILLIONS of people will be watching the biggest pay per view event of all WrestleMania XX.  Just think bars around the world, the sold out crowd, etc will all experience Guns N' Roses at there best.  It needs to happen.
Go for it AXL you need to get started, and this is definately a good move.  

This is so fucking funny.  About a week or 2 ago there was a thread about all of the rumours surrounding GN'R.  I swear on my life I was gonna mention this one as a joke but I never got around to it.  People can be so predictable
(and gullable) when it comes to GN'R.  

obviously you didn't read my post, I said it would be a good move as far as promoting to a certain age group......and another thing, ease up man, coming on here and flaming people who make an obviously stereotypical remark just for shit's and giggles should not anger you that much. and no I don't watch wrestling because well, I have better things to do with my time than watch the same storylines being repeated over and over again...and watching 300 pound guy's with barely no clothing on, and I know it's not real but I don't think it's ever gonna win an emmy for writing either.  but then again you don't care about substance, you like bon jovi....

I don't want to take sides in this little "argument," but that Bon Jovi remark was the best burn I have read in a LONG time.

After reading your first post about the sheep, I didn't think you can post anything dumber (and I don't even like wrestling), but then you had to go post this ::)

This may well be the most realistic "rumor" we've seen in a couple of years. This makes total sense. Wrestling is one of the top rated shows on basic cable. WM is the top PPV event in the industry. And this is the 20th anniversary of a landmark show. When WM started it was the biggest, most original idea in Wrestling. The mainstream press will probably be all over the 20th anniversary show at Madison Square Garden where the WWF(E now) got it's start. And an opportunity to play this show is just what GNR needs to convince todays music buyers that they are for real. If you people are really fans you'll be praying this is true. WM is certainly going to get more mainstream attention than Rock in Rio, which most average, casual music fans don't even know exists. This could be huge. Thanks for the info, if it's true.  :beer:

Someone coming out and saying they like wrestling isn't exactly an endorsement for the American education system. I would hope only hillbillies liked this crap.

I hate when people look down upon wrestling fans, as if we're a lower form of humanity. Entertainment is entertainment. Period. GNR and wrestling, I'm sure, both have the same demographic, and they go hand-in-hand: American rock-n-roll and guys kickin's other guys' ass! Maybe Bucket will do some backstage skits or something. It'd be quite funny.

Some would say the same thing about people coming out and saying they like AFD.

I don't like wrestling, but I could totally see why a lot of GN'R fans would be into it and vice versa. It would be a great promotional tool if they were to play new songs there, but rehashing WTTJ once again is a bad idea.

glad to see somone agrees with me. no offense wrestling fan's....thats not to say your stupid for watching it ok. so don't get all defensive, but you gotta admit, its not exactly shakespearian. but that's the fault of the people who put it on. and yes wrestlers are great athletes.

wow, this thread has 5 pages already...I thinks it's a big joke that GNR would perform in Wrestlemania. I don't believe, you shoudn't believe it...'cause it's not happening, GNR is much too big for this kind of event. wrestlemania....damn, how low could Axl go?

Yeah for real guys, and its only ONE little unofficial online newsletter! I've never even heard of the thing! How credible can it be when the big news sources and wwe.com mention nothing about it!

Can someone point us to a web page or a credible source please. I get the feeling WMXX will come and go, and still no GN'R. And this thread will fade out like all the other useless rumor threads.

Thanks for the ringing endorsement KillingVector...you know, I sincerely resent that remark, and I'm certain my GF would as well..  I'd like to view myself as I somewhat intelligent human being with at least a modicum of integrity, and I think the American education system has served me quite purposefully.  Please refrain from sweeping generalizations.  You're more than welcome  to your opinions, and they may be valid for a certain percentage of the wrestling fanbase, but truth be told, wrestling exists within its own reality, much like the world of GNR, and there is also an equal amount of suspension of disbelief involved in each.

Cheers,
Joe

doing a duet with vanilla-ice on the surreal life? but the fact is that it is watched by alot of kids because their brains have not fully developed yet. j/k. People don't get pissy that I rag on wrestling. its just not my cup of tea. i'm just throwing out the typical stereotypes of wrestling fan's for a laugh...i really wouldn't care either way. If gn'r were on, I would probably tune in.

Yea, Im sure Stinson(you know, the legend), Finck, BH would love nothing more than to be associated with Pro wrestling and once again have Axl rely on  material that the original band(remember them, the guys that were RESPONSABLE for WTTJ) produced for publicity. Way to move forward & evolve Axl :beer:

i call 'em as i see them, one way. When a form of entertainment caters to the feral, mindless banality as wrestling does, i wonder what kind of mind could appreciate it.

If we were talking about the possibility of Axl showing up onGrowing Pains, my comments would have been the same.

man 5 pages of ppl complainin that wrestling sucks and aint that big....
listen ppl as long AS GNR PERFORM. DOES IT MATTER WHERE IT IS???????????
and wrestlemania XX is gonna be huge.they started puublicity for it since last year....also a lotta wrestlers a re gonna make a comeback and hence the PPV will attract a lotta viewers
and lately every WWE PPV song does become a hit with the kids..i know!!
i jus hope they perform some new rocker as well!! cuz performing an old song after a n one year silence is useless..they mite as well allow adlers apettite to do it
so heres hoping :peace:

They're busy ripping Axl a new asshole over at the Chris Jericho message boards. http://www.chirsjericho.com

The fact is, once again, Wrestlemania 20 will be the biggest PPV of 2004. With the wrestling world on fire with rumors of Bret Hart, Hulk Hogan and many, many other wrestling legends returning it will pull old wrestling fans in as well if even only a couple show up. If Bret Hart comes back, he will not be wrestling, but tons of fans will tune in just to see him give a 5 minute farwell speech to his fans.

It's not like just a couple people will be tuning in, Wrestlemania will probably hit around 80 countries. It has happening in MSG, which the WWE helped create the aura that surrounds that building. It will not be a typical wrestling event, it will be huge, with a shitload of celebrities and media.

It would be a great stage for Guns N' Roses to return to. We're talking about the forum they'd be appearing at. Now if Guns N' Roses comes out and does "Jungle" and says, "goodnight", I can see how that would be bad for them. Guns can't simply come out and do songs from 15 years ago with only one guy who is even apart of that era. The people there will shit on it. If they did "Jungle" and a new song, perhaps one no one has heard before and sounded awesome then it would be the best thing in the world for them. Old fans who forgot would be reminded and new fans would be won.

Being a Guns fan and a huge wrestling fan, most of you wouldn't know, but there's a lot in common there. You Guns fans haven't even seen a rumor compared to what happens in the wrestling world.

Meltzer says he has heard the rumor

Management say that none of this is true

 :peace:

Mysteron can I ask you would management give you any info if it was still in the pipeline?
The Father

I?m so sick of all these rumors. Could the "great" management say something about GnR that is true???
This waiting game sucks!  :crying:

If something was in the pipeline, they would either confirm it, or say nothing

Again though, as I normally say, keep an open mind with anything that is said on here

The last mile is always the longest  :hihi:

no bother mysteron.
kinda hope this is true though cause it would give the band major exposure whether the people on here like it or not
The Father

I guess you are right. But is it just one mile to bring GnR back?  ;)

@ Mysteron:

is this mile definately the last one?!!???!!! ::)

how come the managment knows that all these rumors are false but refuses to give us ANY info on cd??

They will give info when they are ready. That's just the way it is

hope so

it's definitely the longest, anyway  :hihi:

thanks............

the waiting game has become a major part in my life..... i think that?s not good.... :no:

how much can a small litlle update like "hey the band is jus deciding the first single and then CD will be out" hurt??? this is bs....man im cranky today ;D

You saw with VR a little while back that little updates can sometimes not be a good thing for a band. It can look clumsy and provoke criticism

The best thing for gnr is to complete the album, sort out their promotional strategy, get some tour dates in place, then go public. It looks more professional

but thanks to those small updates we respect more...atleast i do....and they do have a confirmed album n single date
and talkin bout professional
-10 years to make an album
-cancelled tour without any explaination
- not officially confirming RIR 4
now thats not very professional is it :no:

no that doesn?t sound very professional...... :no:


.... but it could also be that they have some reasons.....

YOU?RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT

nothing more to say.

I always thought the last mile is as long as the first on account of how they are both a mile  ;D

Hope this is the last mile.

@#$%Muther

I agree that there have been occasions in the past where Gnr have not been professional, but that is all the more reason to act in a professional manner now. Management changes have seen to that

RIR4 has been officially confirmed on the RIR4 site. That's the way it was done.

The length of time it takes gnr to make an album is neither here or there. That's not related to professionlism

The American tour cancellation was down to Clear Channel; if you want to find out more about them, trawl the internet. As far as I know, Axl just turned up late to said concerts. He always turns up minutes before they go on stage, it's an anxiety thing as far as I know. It's maybe annoying, but it's either this, or no gnr at all. As for the previous European tour, Buckethead was unwell and was having ongoing tests for something. Because of this, he was unable to practice, so they just decided to cancel and tour later

It looks  professional:
http://rockinrio-lisboa.sapo.pt/nc10/440772.html?lang=en

http://www.metallica.com/index.asp?item=1894

Not this:

http://rockinrio-lisboa.sapo.pt/nc10/440771.html?lang=en

http://www.gnronline.com/

But you are comparing an active band to an inactive band. When Guns n'roses announce their full return to the music scene, then you can back and compare

Metallica are a pop band anyway  :hihi:

Man, I don?t know what to say anymore...
I wanna ask you if you know some news, if YOU could ask axl?s manager something just to calm down the fans and show that the band is fine... but of course you won?t say nothing... even axl?s manager don?t say anything...  :P
I don?t get it
"we can?t say nothing couse we are preparing a big annoucement that will change the music industry!" = BULLSHIT :rant: what will change if someone in the GNR camp just came and says something?! don?t need to say the release date of the album, just give us something to we realize that the all this rumors is just rumors, all this bullshit is just bullshit and make things clearier comin?from a person conected to the band.

I very pissed off  >:(

You should live your life based on what's around you now, not on what's likely to come in the future

Gnr will return when they are ready

Kurwa Mysteron pierdolisz jak polamaniec. Pisze po polsku niech ktos temu chujowi to przetlumaczy. Kurwa o czym ty gadasz czlowieku. Nikt poza webmasterami RIR4 nie wie o tym pierdolonym udziale Gunsow na festiwalu. Nie masz zadnych faktycznych informacji a pierdolisz jakby Axl byl twoim kumplem, wypierdalaj stad chlopie i nie siej zametu kutasie. kazdy pierdoli ze ty : wiesz to wiesz tamto, a naprawde widze ze chuja wiesz. :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:

I think most of us live their life...
But GnR is a part of our lives. and you know: they got our patience for years. they got our money...they should be happy to have still a lot of fans. I think this "we don?t say anything and everything you hear is wrong" game is not fair for these true fans. I mean, all we want to get is just a statement about the end of the last mile. I guess there is a plan about the GnR future. Is it too much to expect this one sentence? "we are working on a big comeback this year"
I guess there arn?t many people in the GnR management that care about the fans. Well, why do we care? What did we get exept disappointments?
Maybe because we love this band and their music. But we hate this game! So, our patience won?t last forever! :confused:

W Jezyku angielskim?

I do know because I got confirmation, and you could probably do the same thing too

Because you care, your patience will last forever. Just try to not to be too negative about things. High expectation can cloud judgement imo

I agree :rofl: :rofl: :hihi: :hihi:

i'm torn on this whole "axl doesn't owe/axl owes me" argument that people keep having....i agree he doesn't "owe" anyone anything and he should be able to release his album when he feels it is complete but as someone who has 3 times had tickets for guns and roses only to have those shows canceled (the last time with no explanation) well, then i think axl does owe me something.  i bet he just doesn't want to make an announcement until he actually has something to announce but this is one fan who is hoping that there is some mention of the aborted tour

This CD got so high expectations that people expect musical orgasms while listening to it. Not a good thing.

Many will be disappointed when they find out its "just" an album with songs on it, not Jennifer Lopez giving you a blowjob.  :hihi:

I guess your are right again. It?s just very hard to wait and to see all these rumors. Well, RIR is near and maybe that?s the end of the last mile  : ok:

You saw with VR a little while back that little updates can sometimes not be a good thing for a band. It can look clumsy and provoke criticism

The best thing for gnr is to complete the album, sort out their promotional strategy, get some tour dates in place, then go public. It looks more professional

It?s not VR?s strategy that is wrong...

Just look att G&R?s strategy this far.

It?s the WORST EVER to hit the music industry. People laughed, mostly because of the fact that there WAS NO NEW MUSIC! Believe it or not...

I just keep hoping that G&R didn?t get too harmed by the things that happened 2000-2003.
?Cause that was noooo good at all.

O.K. kids this is the way i see it what happend after the whole mtv music awards huuh yep a fuckin tour soo what the hell do we have to loose anymore!!! gnr is unpredictable i admit when i was 5 sure that was fuckin cool now its just damn annoying well late : ok: :smoking: :beer: :peace:  ;D

I've got news for you guys. This isn't a sad little rumour that one of u guys made up so that u can all get wet about the thought of axl, this is a strong rumour thats going round the WRESTLING web sites. check out impactwrestling.com its a very reliable wrestling site that has a lot of inside contacts.

Another thing Wrestlemania is HUGE, milllions and millions of people from around the world watch it every year, it's THE biggest date in the wrestling calander, to top it off it's wrestlemania 20!! It would be an honor for Axl to play there and get so much exposure.

Just coz you lot have been sitting at ur computers thinking of nothing but axl rose rumours for the last 7 years doesn't mean wrestling's not popular.

We have heard a very strong rumor that the Triple Threat match featuring Triple H, Chris Benoit, and Shawn Michaels at WMXX will be a ladder match.

Another rumor that is making its way around the internet Guns n Roses message boards is that the band will perform at WrestleMania XX. Obviously at this point this is just a rumor.

As always, we'll keep you updated.
wonder where they got that idea from??? ::)

 :hihi:

It would definately represent a "get in the ring" outlook.

Maybe he's ready to kick some ass, If it is at all true.

Nevermind if its true or not.....look how popular this board has become!

150 posts per rumour.....thats pretty damn good! Imagine when we have real news....

Now, you not only have connections with GNR management you also have a connection with an Internet wrestling columnist (Meltzer)???!! Are you also in contact with the president? Give me a break.  :drool:

Ummmmm....Meltzer's email addy is right up on his wrestling observer web page....not too hard to shoot him off an email.  I've heard he's pretty responsive to just about everyone who emails him.

 :hihi:

Yeah 5-10 years old people...next GNR should play cartoon network tv channel...Million and millions of people watch that channel... ::)

Slash knows what that is like.   ;D

I actually think the majority of people that watch wrestling are a little older the 10 years old.  Like I said before if this were to happen it wouldn't be that bad of a thing.  So stop acting like a 10 year old, and be positive.  Why the fuck would it be so bad for GNR to play at wrestlemania??  Are you scared for GNR to become mainstream again?

Actually, FYI, their strongest demo is 18 to 25 year old males (sound familiar? It should, it's considered the largest music buying segment on the planet).  And their numbers in that demo are pretty compelling, in the advertising world.  Sure, there is a stigma associated (rightly or wrongly) with the product, buy hey, sometime that's a selling point in itself.  

Also, in today's "wrestling world", I sure wouldn't let my 5 to 10 year old kid watch. Yowza....

Well put

What is everyone's problem?

This would be awesome for GNR! (Plus we could all watch it)

It would be mass exposure to an appropriate demographic group.

All this bullshit about damaging their repuation...they have a guitarist that used to play with Nysnc for God's sake!!!!!!!!!!

lol....well put
anyways we should know soon enough...cuz thew word is spreading fast among the gnr and wwe committe
and we know that these guys are the most used to rumours!! :hihi:

Ya wrestlemania's like next to the superbowl in tv ratings. theres so many people that watch wrestlemania from ages like 6 to 75. not even joking. it would be amazing to see guns n roses at wrestlemania 20. huge promotion. cant wait

I agree Izzy bro! Hey if all the mainstream bands can do that then so can our Good ol' Gn'FR!

Sorry, I don't like going off topic but it seems like some of you have no clue about how big football is in the rest of the world.

Facts about the 2002 World Cup:

Television coverage reached 213 countries, virtually every country in the world.

The cumulative audience over the 25 match days of the 2002 event reached a total of 28.8 billion viewers.

These impressive figures make the 2002 FIFA World Cup Korea/Japan? the most extensively covered and viewed event in television history.

The 20 most viewed matches of the tournament achieved an impressive average market share of 84.8%. The largest market share, 94.2%, was reached during Brazilian broadcaster TV Globo's coverage of the England v. Brazil quarter-final (46 million viewers and a 30.2% rating). This is an impressive audience for a broadcast that took place at 3.30 am local time.

Out-of-home viewing contributed to the 2002 Final being the most viewed match in FIFA World Cup? history, with 1.1 billion individuals watching this game.


The most viewed event in the world

http://www.fifa.com/en/marketing/facts/key.html




So if GN'R wants BIG coverage, play in Germany in the summer of 2006. :D



I'd rather see GN'R doing something else than appear on some wrestling show.

Play a benefit show or something. Maybe even the media would say something nice about GN'R if they decided to do something like that....



/jarmo

Good

I realize football is huge in the rest of the world. I never said it wasn't. And I, too, think them playing at the Word Cup would be a good idea.   However, you seem to imply that wrestling "isnt' that big", and that assumption would be incorrect.

In Fiscal  '03, for example, WWE beamed PPV's (including WM 19) to over 100 countries worldwide, to the tune of something like 95 million dollars in ppv revenue. And WWE posts similar numbers EVERY year (actually, '03 numbers were down a bit), rather than once every 4 years. It might not have the broad appeal of football/soccer, but it's still HUGE, on a global scale.  That number only stands to go up, this year, as they've signed Terrestrial deals with in Italy, large parts of the Pacific Rim, Australia, New Zealand, the Middle East, and Latin America.  Wrestling is Big business, with a capital B, and it targets the EXACT same demographic that the Music Industry is after...  

You may not like the product, and that's fine, but let's not allow our personal bias to cloud reality.  

Metallica is no more pop than GN'R.

with all due respect jarmo wrestlemania 20 is not just "some" wrestling show, it is the super bowl of wrestling they set an indoor attendance record at safeco field in seattle last year, this show is at madison square garden, it will be seen by 20 to 30 million if not more people worldwide

so lets not treat it like its some sort of backyard redneck show, this is a class event where the best matches happen and everything is exciting, it is a priviledge to play at an event like wrestlemania so u people stop bashing wrestling

and axl #69 or whoever u are junior, dont insult wrestling or bon jovi cause u obviously dont know shit about either and u look retarded when u try to comment on either one

what music do u listen to tough guy? spit it out! gnr,chili peppers,bon jovi, prince here, who do u like?

i admit who i like and im proud of it, at least im probably not a closet nsync fan like u are and if i did like any band im not afraid to admit it at all

wrestling is not for the hillbilly inbred etc, wrestling is mainstream and it kicks ass and it would be awesome if gnr were playing at wrestlemania, more people will be watching wrestlemania than watched the mtv video awards

and the biggest thing u people are overlooking is the fact if gnr do play wrestlemania thats a huge indicator that c.d. is coming out

like i previously stated and izzy just said, wrestling is the same demographic that gnr are targeting, so its an incredible excellent opportunity, wrestling fans buy albums

wwe put out cds all the time that go platinum or at least gold, and thats for wrestlers theme music, so any help is needed and would be great!

Well, I showed you proof that it isn't that big when you start comparing it to really huge events.

Huge events for me are things like the World Cup and the Olympics. These events actually get media coverage all over the world. I don't see a Wrestlemania getting the same coverage.

You can say that it gets coverage in Italy, but guess what sport the Italians follow fanatically?


Remember the Freddie Mercury Tribute show? That was a good thing to be part of. I wish GN'R could do something similar again.

Even RIR4 isn't that big.....




You too.



/jarmo

yes the world cup is the biggest event in the world however how many of those people would be gnr fans?

wrestling is a huge part of gnr's fan base, the same people who love wrestling would be the same people to actually buy gnr albums etc

whats the demographic for world cup soccer? cause out of those people i bet a huge part are kids and older adults which gnr wouldnt even target, soccer or football as its called just doesnt seem to go together with gnr or rock etc but wrestling is the perfect forum outside of american football

bottom line i dont give a shit if gnr play the damn frog races in alabama, as long as they are playing somewhere thats a great sign for all  gnr fans

here in canada and im guessing for the states football wouldnt be as big as playing for wrestlemania. Itd be like playing for the superbowl here in N/A

Let me clear this up for you all.  While both Wresting and Soccor are very big draws (with soccor being the biggest of the two obviously on a world wide basis), both events are completely weak for different reasons.

Wresting is a fixed show with steroid induced athletes and gimmicky subplots.  Its basically a soap opera with scripted fighting.  It appeals to 10-14 years olds and maybe some rednecks that are older.  If GNR were to be part of this it would be pathetic for those of us old enough to remember when Axl wouldn't have done anything like this on a bet.  It would be a new low for GNR.

Soccor is by far the most boring sport on the planet.  Even golf is much more exciting.  I know that outside the US soccor is really big.  But in the US, there are at least 3 other sports that are more exciting and much more fun to watch live or on tv.  That is why soccor has never flourished here.  It is just way too slow and boring.  

That being said, if GNR were to play at the World Cup, at least it wouldn't be an embarrassment like playing at WMXX.   I agree with jarmo about the best scenario being a benefit or some other show that wouldn't embarrass then GNR name any further and wouldn't require waiting till 2006 for the World Cup.

Just my opinion is all.

/Tulip

Its kind of like when GNR played at the VMA's.  Axl didn't give the greatest performance of his life, but the important thing for most of the people was that GNR was actually on stage playing in front of the public.  It almost didn't matter what happened, because Axl Rose was on stage again.  Who gives a fuck how big or small the event is, we should just be excited that GNR may play at a public event.  Any media coverage is good.  Like D said, even if they played at the frog races in Alabama, it would still be the fucking shit.  GNR REALLY NEEDS the exposure, no matter how they get it.  They have been away for the most part of the last 10 years.  Fact is, they probably won't play Wrestlemania, but I hope they do.  IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THEM. :smoking: :smoking:

Now you're arguing semantics, jarmo, and I think you know it....and your definition of "big" is obviously overly narrow.  The World Cup and the Olympics are two of the largest global events.  Comparing any event to them isn't exactly fair....and insinuating that any event that doesn't "measure up" is small is being obtuse simply to try to support your argument.  And, as an aside, again the World Cup and the Olympics are not exactly held annually, or any time soon (meaing between now and RIR4).

 Look at it from this perspective:  Name another event, between now and RIR4, that has remotely the same viewership? That targets the music buying demos? If you look around, there really isn't one.  If they're going for exposure to a relatively large audience, and to make a pretty large audience aware of your existance/return...you could do a LOT worse than performing at WM.

Now, the rumor could be complete BS...I don't know.  But if it's not, WM is a nice stage, with great global exposure.  Your reservations, obviously, have nothing to do, really, with the size of the stage and more with the product itself....and as I said, that's fine.  But argue THAT, and not that the stage is not "big enough"....

I'm pretty sure quite many since a lot of people watch it. You think GN'R fans only watch wrestling?  ;)


I'm not sure many GN'R fans watch MTV either, but they still played at the VMAs.



/jarmo

The Academy Awards sure as hell get more coverage over here than Wrestlemania.

It doesn't just target the 20-something downloaders, but a lot of people who are interested in the entertainment industry and their products.

You're still defending the "greatness" of this event. You didn't even care to mention any alternatives.

How about a tv-show? Letterman? Leno?

GN'R never played a wrestling event in their whole career and managed to do quite alright anyway.  



/jarmo

I'll say it again, as I did once before in the thread:  WWE's top demographic is 18 to 25 year old males.  Not 5 to 10, not 10 to 14.  (Their SECOND highest demo is actually 12 to 16 year old males, FYI....but it's appreciably lower).

And guess what? That's the top CD buying demo in not only the good 'ole U.S. of A, but the top CD buying demo in the world.

Again, I understand the arguments about the stigma of the product, and I don't entirely disagree with them.  

I think it's really interesting how we have so many experts in all fields on this board.

Everyone seems to know everything about PR, statistics, who to target and how, what's good for ones rep. and what isn't, which age group watches which sport and why, what Axl would or wouldn't do etc etc..

Yes, wrestling is big and should not be compared to soccer.

Yes, soccer is big and should in no way be compared to wrestling.

These two are so different in so many ways it's not even funny.

SOCCER --> EUROPE etc --> HUGE. We get it.

WRESTLING --> STATES etc --> HUGE. We get it.

GN'R can play at Wimbledon for all I care.

Also, in both cases, I highly doubt most of the viewers are '10 years old'.. I mean really  :no:

There's no such thing as bad publicity.

The only thing we should hope for is that GN'R will play SOMEWHERE and we're made aware of it!

So, relax  :peace: and stop fighting over who's cock is bigger ;)

Doesn't mean you have to watch the whole 'show' (be it wrestling, soccer, tabletennis, the annual pig catching festivities in Texas...)

I myself enjoy wrestling, it's good fun. I know it's all planned but why can't we all just get the bug outta our asses and be nice and not fight over every itty bitty thing there is?



 :peace:

Academy Awards? What soundtrack did GnR play on this year?

As for who the Academy Awards target, I would venture....no I would ASSURE you that it is NOT the target demographic for buying a GnR Album.

As for defending the "greatness" of the event, I'm simply pointing out it's not "just some wrestling show" thats "not that big".  I don't point out alternatives because I'm not the one arguing against the appearance.  That's the whole point..... You want GnR to do something else so YOU should present the "what else" that's comparable in size, scope, and time frame.  The thing is...there really isn't anything.  And "regular" TV shows you mentioned (ie: latenight tv) actually have a LOWER viewership/exposure rate than WM will...at least if you look at historical global buy rates vs avg ratings.

I realize they've never played a "wrestling show" their whole career.  They've also never played RIR in Lisbon, or released an album 10 years after their last release, and a whole slew of other things, I'm sure.  That doesn't mean it's a bad idea....it just means it hasn't been done before.

great
when Duff were in the band, I remember reading in a lot of magazines that the album was 99% finished, even a magazine from Brazil! and guess what, Axl said this too! in 99 !
the rock in rio 3 ( remember axl saying "we?ll be here NEXT SUMMER WITH A LOT OF NEW SONGS"?? - did you forget about it ? I think something very TERRIBLE happened and they didnt want us to know, couse that will be faced like another "joke" to the GNR world in that time)... the vma?s... then that lame tour... more that 1 year in a complete silence ( wooowww, they care for the fans to don?t say anything ), every member releasing their album... doing some shows, with a great website, and we just have to WAIT, couse they?re preparing a "big annoucement that will shock the music industry" SOON !!  :drool:

I was living my life based on what's around me when I saw in a magazine an interview with axl and he said that the album was basicaly 99% finished ...
I was living my life based on what's around me when they played rock in rio 3...
I was living my life based on what's around me when they played vma?s...
I was living my life based on what's around me when they made that lame tour...
I was living and I?M LIVING my life based on what's around me, and what?s around me NOW is a lot of rumors.
 ;)

no one really don't care a flying fuck about wrestlemania here in Europe..so it could be good marketing plan for USA but pretty many wouldn't catch that event in Europe.

There you go.

End of  (fictional) story.

I stopped watching wrestling quite a few years ago. It's got quite boring now

I still like Am football, but I like the other football as well.

Maybe gnr should consider the wrestlemania gig and also a guest slot on the Eurovision song contest. That would cover everyone then  :hihi:

Eurovision?  :nervous:

Did management tell you that? :nervous:

What soundtrack weren't they on according to the rumors?  :hihi:




OK, here we go:

How about they don't do anything to do with wrestling since 1) It's not anything a majority of people outside of USA care about (no media coverage) 2) Wrestling is seen as a joke by many people and it would make GN'R seem like an even bigger joke than they are to many people.

Good enough alternative?  :hihi:



/jarmo

No, that's my poor attempt at being humorous  :hihi:

Unless gnr were to write a song with the lyric 'binga bonga ding dong" in, then there would be no chance of them appearing at Eurovision

WM is a HUGE event. it would provide gnr with some major exposure.

But I hope they do NOT do it.

Maybe I?m being weird, but isn?t that about as bad a sell-out move as there is?

What other bands have done this? Cause right now all I can remember is limp bizkit and drowning pool.

So that's what 'BBDD' stands for :p My source at a radiostation told me they got a cd with BBDD written on it :nervous:

Anyway, to get back on the off-topic here..

So people in Europe don't watch wrestling..

They WOULD if GN'R was in it. I can bet my ass on that.

Same goes for soccer.

 :peace:

Believe me? outside to US nobody really cares about it. I don?t know anybody who has seen a wrestlingshow in the past 5 years (and I know a lot of people).  I?m not putting down wrestling (it?s quite funny), but in Europe it really isn?t all that.


Nope, in Europe soccer is really popular among people from like age 18 up to 35. These are the people who buy the tickets and actually go to the games. It?s certainly not a ?kids-thing?!! It never could be with all the hooliganism going on. Some of the games end up in huge fights, complete stadiums get wrecked.


Nonsense, it?s just not flashy and over the top enough for Americans to be able to appreciate it. I?m no soccerfan myself, but it seems impossible to me that the sport that globally has the most fans is the most boring sport.


No the reason soccer never flourished over there is because most Americans suck at it.

Whether it?s a good idea for GNR to play at the wrestling-thingie? I don?t know. I am however a believer in the fact that there?s no such thing as bad press. Personally I would rather see them do something else.

-PEACE-

haha, that's lamest suggestion ever made..no but seriously, you should offer that idea for gnr management and see if the idea would take wind under the wings.   :)

Right. So you have no "valid" alternatives (as in, other events of the same size, scope, availability, etc).  Now, if GnR's goal is exposure/promotion prior to RIR:L (and, let's face it, if they were to do 'Mania, what other possible goal could they have), and they feel they have to do "something", and they've come to the same conclusion you have (that there aren't any "bigger" events between now and RIR:L that would afford them the same opportunity at exposure/promotion),then where does that leave them?  

Exactly.

Oh, and Slipdisc, the reason Americans suck at soccer?  We don't start playing out of the crib like we do with other sports.  Youth Soccer programs play bottom feeder to Little League Baseball, Pee-Wee Football (American) and Youth Basketball.  And the reason we don't play? Kids aren't exposed to it. Why? Parents don't watch. It's a vicious cycle.

Motley Crue have performed on RAW
Motorhead have performed at Wrestlemania, as well as Salt N' Pepa, Run DMC & Little Richard

Well no offense, but here in the USA, no one gives a shit about RIR festivals.  The only reason I've ever even heard of it is because of GNR, and I guarantee the only other reason anyone around here might have heard of it is because a band favorite of theirs played it once.  Granted, it is a HUGE festival, as are many around Europe and other parts of the world, but most US fans care about US events, just as most European fans (and other parts of the world) care about their events.  I'd never pay to go see one, even if all of my favorite bands were playing, and I doubt I'd even pay to watch it on PPV, even though we probably won't even be offered the opportunity over here.  Face it, as its been said before, WM is USA/Canada big, and non-US events are big elsewhere.  Oh and btw, I think comparitively for sales, US vs. everything else are about equal, but I don't have time to look up the statistics.  If my memory serves me correct, US has the slight edge.

Mike

Wrestlemania has also attracted legends outside of music such as Muhammed Ali, Mike Tyson, Pete Rose, they also got Pamela Anderson when she was at the peak of popularity along with Jenny McCarthy, they have had Mr.T and also Lawrence Taylor in a match now like these people or not but they were or are popular and did not consider themselves to big.  I mean no offence to GN'R but i would say most people think Muhammed Ali is bigger.

i was unaware of that. thanks for the info!

but i'm still uncomfortable with it. and i'll admit it's just because of my feelings towards the typical wwe fan. and the fact that my friends will rip me for it.

although if it's ok with lemmy......

Well, this discussion has really shown what a pig headed ignorant person Jarmo is, in comparison to the wise moderator he thinks he is.

To say no one outside of the US gives a shit bout wrestling is simply incorrect.  I live in the UK and the WWE is shown weekly and I will be watching WM just like thousands of people in the rest of europe.

There's no way in hell a ROCK band would play the academy award what are you thinKing?! Wrestlemania is the perfect stage.

Plenty of bands have played on WWE tv shows and PPV's including Motorhead and Metallica.

I really hope this happens.  

Yes, but it is shown on Satellite/cable tv and is watched by a comparatively small number of viewers. Soccer (world cup)  is watched by many more viewers, and on the terrestrial channels

Big Daddy/Giant Haystacks type wrestling was 20 times more popular 20 years ago

Yes, that's me.

I don't know what you just showed there.... Probably that you don't know shit about me or what I think I am?



Blah blah blah.

Nobody means "not many". I know for a fact that some people in Europe watch darts on tv. But I'm not gonna say a darts tournament is a really important event to a lot of people.



Plenty of bands have released new albums in the last few years....

Plenty of bands don't have riots at their shows.



/jarmo

I believe main reason for them being Wrestlemania has been money. That's the main attraction. it don't necessarily mean that they love the show. I mean it's great idea to have celebrities in events, always has been, it gives more puplicity to the event. so it's great marketing trick, do you think they would have showed up for free..maybe! but I don't think so.

It is very possible.  European and South American sports fans have very little to choose from and soccor has the tradition in those areas much like baseball in the US.  What are your sport alternatives in Europe?  The European American Football League (basically the minor leagues for the NFL)?  Swimming?  Tennis?  Formula 1?  In the northern coutries you have hockey which is big.  But soccor is pretty much all you have, right?  Correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't think of any other alternatives for European sports fans.


Actually, it is true that Europe and S. America have better soccor players than the US (although that gap will continue to narrow as it has over recent years).  But that has nothing to do with the lack of popularity in the states.  Soccor is still in fact the #1 participant sport in the US.  More people play soccor is the US than any other sport.  That is because it is very cheap to play.  You don't need to spend alot of money (like in American football or hockey) to play it.  So most school age kids play soccor.  The problem is that it is way too boring to watch in person or on tv.  Thats basically it.  We have many more alternatives here that are more fun to watch such as American Football, baseball, NASCAR, basketball and hockey.  There is no way for soccor to compete in a sports market against sports like that in the US.

/Tulip

I know the reasons, fact remains that Americans suck at it. Europeans suck at American football because of similar reasons. I wasn't trying to insult anybody, it was just a observation.

-PEACE-

1) No on is denying soccer is "bigger".  Really, though, it's irrelevant, since it's not like they're choosing between the two.  There are varying levels of "big".

2) WWE programming, and WM specifically, is carried on terrestrial channels, now, in many parts of the world, Europe, Asia, and Latin America included.

3) In the UK, definitely. Globally? 96 - approx '01 are the banner years, according to published numbers by WCW, WWE,  and the various Japanese wrestling companies.  

Very bad argument. Very bad. I don't think darts and wrestling can be compared either.

You don't like wrestling? a-ok. Don't watch it.

For someone whos favorite (yes, I'm assuming) sentance is 'get back on topic.....' you really like to drag it off topic and drag it on until someone gives in. Which, by the looks of things, won't happen.

Ok, lets say GN'R goes on with the whole wrestling thing. None of you anti'wrestling people will either a) watch it? b) try to dl it? Doubt it.

How many of you watch things like the VMAs, Grammys etc etc 'just in case' something GN'R related happens/is said.

I know ALOT of people who never watch stuff like Sharon Osbournes show but when Camp Freddy's there, you bet. And you bet there'll be alot of threads about it.

So don't tell me none of you would watch it 'coz ya don't like wrestling or don't usually watch it'. If GN'R announces it'll be there, or the World Cup or even fucking eurovision, 98,9% of you will watch it.

I don't see how this topic has anything to do with other sports or USA vs. Europe. I really seriously don't.

Maybe I'm retarded then.

So now, who's gonna be the bigger man and give this stupid ass argument up?

IMO it would be great if GN'R did it. And many of you disagree, which is more then cool too.

I just think fighting about it isn't getting any of us anywhere. There's too much negativity in the world as it is and now we have to fight over 'which sport is better/watched more/popular where/better publicity....'. Worthless. Waste of everyones time and worthless.

Isn't there a section on here for sports anyway?

I'm no business man, but, as a promotional tool, this seems like a pretty good idea. The way I see it is, as a demographic, what better audience than a wrestling one? Face it, the typical GnR fan isn't exactly the intellectual, Mensa member type. But, they should probably play an old AND new song to introduce themselves to all you angry, drunk, torn t-shirt wearing, testosterone-driven young men out there! (typical GnR concert audience, right?)  : ok:

Oh, I wasn't insulted.  I KNOW we suck at soccer! :)

Just for the record, I agree that the Wrestlemania gig would be a good one for gnr, but it would only reach half the buying public......which is why others have mentioned other gigs such as the world cup (soccer) etc.. which would be a good move to reach the other half

Yup, I agree..and said as much.  They should, if afforded the opportunity, do both.  And one of my points is, even if it is only 1/2, 1/2 is better than zero

Umm, I wasn't comparing them.

I said people watch both, but that doesn't mean they're important events to the masses. Sure Wrestlemania can be important to some, but so is the VMAs. And no, I'm not saying they're both important to the SAME people.





I actually stated my opinion on why they shouldn't do it.

I would also state my opinion on why GN'R shouldn't be on a sountrack for a movie (if this was about that).

I just don't think being associated with wrestling is something that great. Maybe because none of the bands I listen to have appeared on that thing.

I don't think it wll happen either.



/jarmo

Why not? The music they make is of a quality that people from every layer in society seem to appreciate. Just like wrestling probably is quite enjoyable to watch for many people (intelligent or not).

-PEACE-

I don't think they'll appear at any sports related event in the near future...

Even though one event might be bigger or a better idea, I just don't think they'll appear at any of them.

I don't think every organizer wants to take the risk of Axl not showing up (that's the reputation he has). MTV took it, but even they were nervous.


They didn't play at Superbowl and that one is big. They weren't at the Grammy Awards either.....


/jarmo

Raw roster tired at last night?s show, Guns N Roses at WMXX?, more
Submitted by Richard Gray on Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 2:53 PM EST



The overall feeling in the Raw locker room last night was one of complete exhaustion. The flights over and back to Japan last week were said to be pretty draining as you can imagine and even though the talent got back into the US on Sunday, most superstars were jet lagged at last night?s show.


In a potential rumor killer, according to sources within the music industry, the new version of Guns N Roses are not scheduled to perform at WrestleMania XX as had been speculated by some other sources. Even if they were scheduled, given Axl Rose?s track record, counting on him showing up is not a very safe bet.


WWE will hold one of four annual conference calls next Wednesday at 1 pm to discuss their third quarter earnings.


WWE Confirms Undertaker?s ?Deadman Walking? Return?

[Source: PWInsider.com]


http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/2004/articles/1076442784.php

From Dave Scherer (at pwinsider.com):

A friend of mine in the music business told me that the rumors of the new version of Guns N Roses playing at WrestleMania XX are not true. He told me that he heard from a contact of his that it's not scheduled to happen. Given Axl Rose's track record, I don't think counting on him showing up would be all that wise anyway.

well if you are a trustable source, we should be getting something in the next week or two correct? That's what you posted last week anyways. What might this news be?

This no longer has anything to do with GN'R. If you wanna continue discussing it, do it here www.link.com


/jarmo


Now you can just lock it ;)

Impersonating other people on this board isn't cool.  :no:

Hasn't anybody told you?



/jarmo

I suppose, after reading through the 11 pages of opinions, views and bitching, I better throw my hat in. First of all, wrestling is a huge, mainstream entertainment source in Europe, although I do not have viewing figures to prove this I can tell you that on March 15th (the day after WMXX) 'The Wrestling Channel' is being launched on british digital television, as far as I'm aware no channel of it's kind is available in the U.S. it WILL NOT feature WWE but many other wrestling organisations, this is on the back of WWE's success on SKY tv, which it has had much sucess on for many years. The WWE's tours to this country, the rest of europe, australia and the far east provide a HUGE amount of their annual revenue. If you walk down a street in a busy town or city you will be hard pressed to not find someone wearing a piece of WWE merchandise. I know a number of people between the ages of 16 and 28 who watch and/or like to know what is going on in the WWE and these people are inteligent and have no shame in the fact that they like the business. I have a couple of friends who do not watch wrestling regularly and do not share the same interest in it as I do, however every year we ALL always get together to watch Wrestlemania, it IS abig thing, it WILL get mainstream publicity.

Everybody knows who the WWE are, everybody knows who Guns and Roses are. Not everybody knows who the top scorer in the World Cup was, not everybody knows who took part in the superbowl.

If WMXX was on free TV it would compare with the superbowl on most people reached, world wide it probably surpasses that, if you want publicity look at what janet jackson has got out of the superbowl.

Many of you do not understand the level that wrestling has reached and are all caught in the past with stereootypical views and ideologies on its content. I do not mind people who dislike wrestling, people who disrespect it without understanding it just confuse me. Like it or lump it, and I don't believe that this rumour will come to anything it would make sense for both parties.

Um.... sorry  :nervous:

 :peace:

"Face it, the typical GnR fan isn't exactly the intellectual, Mensa member type.
 

Why not? The music they make is of a quality that people from every layer in society seem to appreciate. Just like wrestling probably is quite enjoyable to watch for many people (intelligent or not). "


It was a generalization, I suppose, but it was not meant in a disparaging way.

I know, that's why I didn't like it....

-PEACE-

Oh...uhhh...okay?!?!

 :hihi:

-PEACE-

Hmm,

This thread is getting quite aggressive.....don't forget this is more rubbish with NO basis, its not going to happen and never was going to happen

To be honest GNR could open for the fuckin Spice Girls and i wouldn't care...as long as they show signs of life.

GNR playing at the world cup final...what a coup that would be, not sure thats the image FIFA wishes for their game.....

my best friend went 2 the wwf live house show in glasgow,scotland on the 4/5/02 and the fink came out to welcome to the jungle so vince maybe has a bit of a liking to gnr? :hihi:

 :crying: ??? :nervous: :crying:

-PEACE-

Best news I've heard all day! :peace:

Mysteron, were you the source of Dave Scherer's? I'm glad this isn't true.  :peace:

I think there was a mix up. I heard rapper Layzie Bone will be singing his song "Welcome 2 My Jungle", but that's just what I heard.

God man...for those of you that disagreed with GNR doing this, at least they would've been responsible for the soiling of their own legacy if it went badly....If they get a hip-hop artist in there to do a re-mix, that would just be atrocious. :crying:

I don't understand the people who DON'T want them to show up for WMXX. Why are you being picky? At this point in the game all we can do is for Axl to show up somewhere....ANYWHERE....and perform. I agree with the guy who mentioned Spice Girls. Axl can come out on a Spice Girls tribute show....I don't care!.....as long as it ends the yr long complete silence! Because anything is better than what we have now!

Well, I don't want them play at WMXX because I don't want them doing WTTJ. I rather hear something new. Also, I don't want to pay $40 just to see them play one song. Heck, I couldn't even order the ppv if I wanted to because my cable company won't allow me to order ppvs unless I switch to digital.  :no:

Just for the record, I agree that the Wrestlemania gig would be a good one for gnr, but it would only reach half the buying public......which is why others have mentioned other gigs such as the world cup (soccer) etc.. which would be a good move to reach the other half
For the love of buckethead's bucket... Wrestlemania XX is going to draw a couple of million viewers most of whom don't even know that Axl Rose still has a band. This is the 20th anniversary of a landmark television phenom that received a helluva a lot of press when it started in the 80s. It will be watched. It could have nothing but a positive effect. Second, why does Axl and Co. need to do some event to attract ALL of the buying public in one damn shot? This whole thread is hilarious. For a bunch of so-called fans who have been clamoring about wanting to hear or see GNR since they melted down before philly, some of you have become pretty picky about how and when they should re emerge. Daily someone writes, "i wish something would happen one way or another." Then a rumor crops up about WMXX and people are complaining about the venue and the event. Wow.

I personally would love to see GnR play at WMXX, whether or not this rumour is true... whether or not the media will like it blah blah... I'd just like to see GnR playing, I could care less about promotional aspects... they play music for a living, they should play music.

Here you go:

In a potential rumor killer, according to sources within the music industry, the new version of Guns N Roses are not scheduled to perform at WrestleMania XX as had been speculated by some other sources. Even if they were scheduled, given Axl Rose?s track record, counting on him showing up is not a very safe bet.

Source:  http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/2004/articles/1076442784.php

Showing up there wouldn't fit with GNR and it's "legacy" at all.
But that is just my opinion.
And even if they were there: Playing wttj would be so retarted and dumb. But hey now it seems like that we actually WILL get a GH in march again? Jesus!

Am i the only one thinking that i doesn't make any sense at all?
No news in 15 month (or so) now
The possibility of a GH in the pipeline INSTEAD of CHINESE DE.
The rumor of GNR playing at Hulk Hogans playground??

For me all of that is just ..is just.....  not unlogical at all!

People like Pilferk and the holy mysterion tell us to keep the faith because "something big will smash around the corner" and stuff. Well that is fine and i really appreciate your "motivation-work" guys (that goes for everybody who stayed positive over the years) but man, ist it coming at all????

Fuck i am frustrated and needed to say that.

Sorry :rant:

AGREED

but what can we do now?

cry together

hold my hand...  :crying:

very well said big ploppa

wrestling isnt that old time shit, and for people to compare it to that obviously havent watched it in 15 years, havent u ever heard of The Rock, stone cold steve austin? holy shit that haystacks thing mysteron was very old bro! lol!

wrestling is great any big publicity for gnr is needed and would help and be good

this thread has turned crazy as if gnr is choosing wrestlemania over the world cup

as if gnr have a choice to play the world cup which id seriously doubt, so why are we even discussing the world cup? it doesnt even fit into the argument

Gnr at Westlemania XX  i do not think so

Another point...

The world cup is in 2006, would you like to wait two years for a GNR performance or would you want to see one in 33 days?

Run that one through your brains!?!

Another point, you might as well start dreaming about GN'R appearing at the 2006 World Cup since that wrestling thing isn't gonna happen.

GN'R will never play at the WC or Olympics, they're not a pop band.


/jarmo

And for that matter, do they even have conventional bands play at the world cup?

No but then again Neither are Motorhead..in fact there about as Rock and Roll as you can get.

Some people call LimBizkit rock...

Hell Metallica still arent Pop or though they are heading that way they are still ROCK.

I bet they will at the beer tents. :D


/jarmo

If GNR is playing beer tents then I think we have larger problems ...  :hihi:

Do they have Beer tents at the world cup?...i thought the bars in the stadium and the pubs/bars outside the ground will cater for all that.

It is still not confirmed whether or not Guns-N-Roses will be performing at WrestleMania 20. There isn't enough validity to this, however, there were talks about hiring Guns-N-Roses for WrestleMania 19 but obviously that didn't go through
hey we never knew bout the WM 19 thing did we??

i have a source, dont laugh this is true i email her back and forth she writes for a wrestling site and she said that as of now its only a rumor but not to rule it out

meanmachine hulk hogan isnt even in the WWE anymore dude

u people are acting like if GnR play wrestlemania that they cant play anywhere else, thats ridiculous but it would be huge exposure and letting the old fans know they are back, they can do the talk show circuits etc etc afterwards, some of u are acting like we have to choose one event for them to play at, why cant they do WM and the world cup, do the super bowl and play the talk shows? see what im sayin, they can do it all!

I hate to be negative but all I see is wasted potential with these guys. Both times I saw them they kicked ass. They blow everything away, but they don't do shit. They could do it alll, but they don't! Such a waste. :(

I don't know where you guys got this idea that WM is watched by millions of people.  Someone said 20-30 million?  

I e-mailed Dave Meltzer on the subject and he gave me last years number--560,000 buys.  It goes to show that Wrestlemania isn't nearly as watched as some here think.  

Also, IMO, GNR should not do WM.  I don't care if Limp Bizkit and Kid Rock did it.  I don't want GNR to emulate Limp Bizkit.  

http://www.pwtorch.com/artman/publish/article_7131.shtml

There is the latest news on GNR. No band news, but one of the WMXX sponsors is Gibson Guitars! Let the completely bored GNR rumor spreaders start! :p

Also, just would like you to know that the REAL official WWE newsletter is being sent to me, and the latest one has no sign of GNR whatsoever.

Let's forget this rumor even started....and forget the next one before it even begins....

Thats buys dude! And probably American Buys...it is screened all over the world to millions of people on terrestrial or cable TV free of charge.


GNR never emulated anyone. Never have and never will.

So you would rather wait until RIR4 to hear Guns or see them in 32 days time?

Ok fair enough.

Now lets say at the minimumn 100,000 peopel are so impressed they buy the new album. Thats a nice boost dont ya think. And it could be even more

Yes, it is US buys.  However, I don't think 20 million people saw WM.  It's not the Super Bowl, Oscar's, World Series, or anything close to those events as some here would imply.  It's also low brow entertainment with a huge negative stigma.  GNR already has a negative stigma, they don't need to add to it.


younggunner,

I think you are being extremely optimistic in saying that 1/5 of the audience would buy Chinese Democracy because of one performance.  Extremely.

WrestleMania X8 drew 850,000 buys, this is WrestleMania XX, it's already been hyped for months if it doesnt draw that then I'll be utterly shocked. Then you need to take into account those watching around the world either on a live feed, a delayed ahowing or on their own recording. Then the official DVD and VHS release 4 months later. Add to that any news coverage, publicity and word-of-mouth...
'hey I was watching Wrestlemania and guns and roses were on'
'I thought they packed it in years ago'
'no they played a new song and it was pretty good, they were promoting a new album'
'excellent, ill have to check that out'

Yes 20 million is an exageration...but again I didn't see the superbowl but ive heard enough janet jackson to last me a while.

Meltzer, FYI, is mistaken.  They did 875,000 domestic buys last year, breaking the record of 850,000 at WM X8.  That's taken from company filed SEC reports, FYI, so lying could get them in mucho trouble..

Also, on top of those 875,000 domestic buys, there was around another 100k (I'll look for the exact number) from the bar/pub/restuarant package...  So, you've got almost a million buys, 100k of which contributed probably 2 mllion viewers (at least...20 people per establishment x 100k).  Now, WM is also not something you watch alone.  Usually, there is more than one viewer per "buy".  Now, I figure we can be conservative and guesstimate 3 viewers per buy...3 x 875k = about another 2.5 million viewers.  That leaves us with about 4.5 to 5 million viewers conservatively, in the U.S. alone....that' s a pretty widely watched event, even by conservative estimates.  Add even 2/3 more for the rest of the world, and now, globally, you're at about 8 million viewers...That's a pretty big audience to get your hands on.

Edit: In looking for the package sub numbers, I've found 3 different ones reported by different sources.  Essentially between 50k and 100k.  I'll stick with the 100k above, but it may be a bit "high".  Still, with the 20 people estimate most likely being low, it prolly all works out in the end.

Let's say your 8 million worldwide viewers number is accurate.  That's a lot of people to be watching a PPV event, but it's still nowhere near Super Bowl, World Cup, Olympics, World Series, NBA Finals, etc as some here would believe.  Not even in the same galaxy.

I'm pretty sure a few million people saw an episode of the Surreal Life starring Vince Neil and Vanilla Ice, but I surely wouldn't want Axl to appear on the next version.  Not to say performing at WM is as low brow and desperate as appearing on a show like that, but there is somewhere you have to draw the line.

This may mean nothing, but take a look at Stacy Keibler's outfit.

(http://members.aol.com/pspower/stacygnr.jpg)

Is this show live? I just saw the same thing, and Wrestlemania is yet to confirm ANY bands.  Is something going on or what?  I think there is a strong possibility of them performing considering this is set up somewhat like the 2002 VMA's were.

This is the newest episode filmed today in New York, where the wrestlers are for WMXX at MSG. I'm catching the 1:00AM replay though because someone told me Stacy was wearing a Guns N' Roses shirt!

(http://members.aol.com/pspower/stacygnr2.jpg)

Well if she started whistling "patience" that would be an even better sign. :peace:

nice..fuckin nice, i always dreamed of her long legs wrapped around me, now she's wearing a gnr t-shirt...

life gets better with each breath


rock n' roll

ive not gave up on this, guess ill find out tomorrow night

WWE always have a theme song, they usually have some sort of musical act stacy kiebler wearing a GNR shirt? coincidental? we will find out in just over 15 hours!

the other guy is wearing a Black Label Society shirt... does this mean that they will open for GnR?

Me thinks its coincidence... Something this big would have leaked...

hey did you also notice that gnr bandmembers message boards are down so maybe they had them closed to help prevent a leak just a thought cause i couldnt get into buckets nor dizzys lata

That seems like pretty thin evidence to me, when are bands usually announced for WM? Mysteron - any information about this.

I just got into bucketheads board....

I cant open Dizzys....anyone else?

hot damn.. even if it's just speculation I thank the poster for his pics of the lovely ladies. Who's the other chick? haven't watched wrestling in awhile.

Wow, I just saw this on headbangers ball.  I live in california and was about to post  something about it , but you guys beat me to the punch.

I don't think it means anything, except that she's hot and has good taste in music.

-F

The other nice female wrestler is Jehrico...just kidding.. :peace:Her name is LITA and shes hot.. :smoking: she was in a few episodes of Dark angel befor it ended too..  : ok: : ok:

Damn...Stacy=fit + great taste in music. It's all good!  :beer:

The WWE HAVE to have a great band tonight, quite simply.

Kid Rock or Limp Bizkit at the 20th Anniversary of Wrestlemania? That's a sacrilege.

yeah she 's kinda hot for a wrestler ...  ;D

If there were a sign on one of their outfits, I'd say that its much more likely that Black Label Society is performing, Considering that Zakk and Chris Jericho (Among others) Are great friends.

stacy is fucking HOT!! somehow i think we will see some nudity in her match at WMXX ;D

is it just me or jericho looks just like jon bon jovi from the early 90?s with those glasses? lol

You got it all wrong....


It's the old logo, that means the original band are reforming for Wrestlemania!

VR is just a sideproject and that pic from Camden says the Greatest Hits really is Chinese Democracy.  :beer:


In case somebody missed that I was sarcastic.. It's a joke.  :P



/jarmo

www.DizzyReed.com was never an official site but about as close as you would get to one. I don't know if the site will ever be back up or not. But yes the messageboard is up as usual.

http://pub238.ezboard.com/bthesirdizzyreedappreciationsocietypart2

hmm....stacey keibler...i see. i think i'm going to do an image search on google  :D

I hardly believe that GNR will perform on the show like Wrestlemania.

wasn't this discussed earlier and being said that it wasn't true..?

Just an observation - and I'm sure it means next to nothing -  (And, I HIGHLY doubt GNR is gonna show up at, of all places, Wrestlemania - espcially given the decline of the product in the last few years)  HOWEVER: With that being said.  I am fairly certain that Jimmy Fallon during the VMAs also wore an 'old style' GNR shirt.  I dont think it was that one, though - I seem to recall the guns / tophat logo - but I could be totally off on that.

If GNR does show up by some strange twist of fate - dont worry, video of it will be online within hours.  Heck, the entire WM XX show will be available probably 1-2 hours after its airing - ain't the Internet great?

-darknemus

When they returned at the VMA's wasn't the host wearing an old GN'R T-Shirt?

Indeed. Whatever. If it happens, all this will be worth something. If not, back to the rumour mill as ever!  :)

Ummmmm, did anybody bother to notice the sign behind them reading Headbanger's Ball?  Obviously, that title is meant to be a pun (wrestlers who bang heads and music fans who bang their heads to the music) and they are just wearing hard rock band T shirts to emphasize this.  It doesn't mean any band is performing anywhere.

Hmmm. Mysterion dont want to spoil our suprise!!! ITS GONNA HAPPEN. All the rumours, all the hints. It must be true!

keep dreaming dude

now that's just ... stupid! she's wearing a GNR t-shirt, so what? the other guy is wearing a Black Label SOciety Tshirt- so they're also performing. or better yet, Bucket is out and Zakk is in again.
nothing will happen gnr related. anyone can see that.

You probably right but most GN'R fans like to have hope, to grab onto anything, wrestling with music are 2 are my greatest loves in my life.  GN'R are the biggest thing in music for me.  Wrestlemania XX is the biggest thing in wrestling.  These 2 coming together would be unlikely but it would also be great for me so im still hoping jeez why does everyone have to be so goddamn negative, lighten up if it happens great if it doesn't life goes on don't know why every motherfucker has to be sarcastic

I'll be taping it and watching it live if anything happens i will post on the board straight away : ok:

Uhhhh?? Hello, the wrestlers are on Headbangers Ball, the new version, on MTV2 last night! That's why it says Headbangers Ball. Remember the old show in the 80s?

From www.backstagewrestling.com

Over the past several weeks, we have heard that Guns n' Roses would be performing at WMXX tonight. Although we do not have it confirmed, the group has been doing some promotion for the big PPV and one of the singers recently cancelled an appearance scheduled for today.

Did I miss something?

What promotion? One of the singers?



/jarmo

Maybe they mean Dizzy, what was the date for that gig that was cancelled

March 21st - so who knows?!

I've e-mailed them asking them about what they said e.g. singer? and promotion? like Jarmo pointed out.  I was wondering where the fuck is Mysteron when you need him, maybe Axl gave him front row tickets for Wrestlemania   :hihi:

Dizzy didn't cancel, the venue did.

It says the members have done promotion for the PPV. Where? I haven't seen any GN'R members promoting any PPV.



/jarmo

thats my birthday, we're having a party at a friend's house, dizzy's coming.
 : ok:

i think you are right
i remember it being a sunday
and gibly playing one week later... the 21st ???

this is getting wierd
i emailed the news guy to ask what promotion he is talking about...

man , u gotta love these rumours :hihi:

the GNR world rules cause of this : ok:

i'm lost, i'm not getting any of these rumours...

pretty simple

are GNR playing WM XX tonight or not?

i guess we will see later on ;D :P :hihi:

and on other note , where the hell is mysteron when u need him? :-\

The only thing I gotta say is if there are no acts confirmed, that's a bit strange isn't it?

With the secrecy that surrounds GNR at the moment, it would seem a possibility.

However, I can't risk getting too excited as my doctor said all this GNR rumour stuff just isn't good for me.

Now where did i leave my medication.......

@#$%Muther

Sorry, I go to the gym on Sundays

There's no gnr at Wrestlemania, that's what I was told and I have no reason not to believe that

Ok, I'm outta here again  ;D

I don't see whats so credible bout mysteron or nething...but here is an article from a wrestling site http://www.wrestlezone.com/articles/81287225.php

im pretty sure when it says one if its singers it means Dizzy :hihi:  I think it could happen tonight...I mean why would Dizzy suddenly cancel a show for today?  And Who says if Mysteron's sources would be told or mysteron would be told or if mysteron knew who says he'd tell, maybe its supposed to be top secret. ::)

The GNR/WM connection never occured to me when I seen Stacy wearing that shirt. That is the shirt they are selling Hot Topic so I just figured they just went out and got her something that would fit the theme of Headbanger's Ball.

These sites you are quoting a dirt sheets. They are called that for a reason. They aren't very reliable as you should be able to tell by the report.  If the rumor was to pop up on wrestlingobserver.com or  pwinsider.com, I'd say it was likely to be legit since they are two of the most trustworthy sites out there.

BTW, I believe I heard the new Drowning Pool is doing the WM theme.  

No Drowning Pool's new album is just being advertised on the WWE shows,there was nothing said about them playing WM.

No, I've never, ever heard of that show!   You mean there was a decade called the 80s?  ::)

This just solidifies what I said.  They're on a Headbanger's Ball, so they wore headbanger band T shirts.  It means nothing.

guns n roses will be at wrestlemania!!! the shirt is a sign!!! its a sure sign!!  :rofl:

so...  the Westlemania XX thing is on TV right now!?
NO GNR?

What bands are playing at Wrestlemania is gnr playing i didnt get it so if could give an update

There has been no bands yet :nervous:

whew then we still gotta chance

Still no bands if GN'R come on ill post straight away  : ok:

Come on GNR play tonight :smoking:

crap
I hate this wait...  :confused:

is there anything hinting that there will be gnr tonite

if gnr does play tonite i would be willin to upload it so ppl could dl so if anyone is recording it send it to me

are they there or are they not? anybody

Dizzy is playing in Hollywood tonight.

 :rant:

well, axl could sing some "a capela" song... what do you think?  :hihi:
and oh yeah, Bin Laden could join to sing the chorus too.

why didnt anyone say this earlier?

Wrestlemania is over, GN'R did not play end of story

16 pages is a bit much for me to go through... can someone tell me what this is all about?

Once again, there you have it. Sad to say.

was there any music

Here's more info on that:

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?board=2;action=display;threadid=10982;start=300

jurk i ment other bands

 Sorry about that.

If you want to keep track of Dizzy, he's usually playing with Harry.  You can sign up for Harry's news letter here:  http://www.happeninharry.com/

Locking since this is no longer even a remote possiblity.  No further discussion seems to be required.   :)