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HANOI ROCKS Singer: AXL ROSE Was Scared Of Sharing The Stage With Us - Mar. 5, 2004
 
  HANOI ROCKS frontman Michael Monroe has spoken to Rock Rage about his previous friendship with GUNS N' ROSES singer Axl Rose and his opinion of Rose's current band. Asked if he is still friends with Axl, Monroe said, "Well, I was very friendly with him whenever we bumped into each other, but I haven't talked to him in a long time. I speak to Slash regularly. I'm closer with him than with Axl. A weird thing happened when we played in Japan a couple of years ago. Axl was headlining the show with the new GUNS N' ROSES, the hired GUNS N' ROSES. I never realized how much chemistry the original band had until I saw Axl with those hired guns. They were just sort of lost on stage. When Axl heard that HANOI ROCKS was playing the same festival that he was headlining, he got nervous and said he would not play on the same stage as us on the same day. I checked it out with many different sources, and he thought that the audience would react more to us than to him. That was a great compliment and a good favor too because it leaked to the press and people were like, 'HANOI ROCKS must be really great if GUNS N' ROSES are shaking in their pants.' I did get along with him and he was very nice to me. I didn't think we were that good of friends until he was nice enough to give us that kind of promotion. I watched him on the monitor on the second day of the show and the guitar player [Buckethead] was just so mediocre. It was like watching a cover band, and they looked ridiculous. They had no connection with the audience. I told Slash myself that you were really shining by your absence. They weren't even doing any new songs. It was all old ones."

With regards to whether he thinks Axl is ever going to release "Chinese Democracy", Michael said, "I don't know. He's even beat Billy Idol for procrastination. Billy Idol used to be the king of that. Two million dollars later and you'd ask him, 'When is the album coming out?' 'Two weeks, two weeks,' he'd say. There's probably different things holding up Axl. The guy got so much money so quickly, and you can imagine all the scumbags around him. It must be hard not knowing who your friends are. Let's put it this way, I don't envy him. It was funny, when I saw him play he opened the show with, 'Tokyo, do you know where you are?' Of course we're in Osaka, so I said, 'Do you know where you are motherfucker!' Then he realized he messed up and tried to correct himself. Then a few songs later he'd say, 'Alright Tokyo.' I was like, 'Maybe he should cut down on the Prozac or whatever.' One time I was having dinner with Axl in New York City. I had a couple of white wines with orange juice. That's when I used to drink though. I don't drink now. Anyway, I was feeling good, but Axl thought I was really out of it. He's looking at me because I'm smiling and he says, 'Mike, do you know where you are?' I said, 'I'm in the jungle baby, I'm gonna die!' Oh yeah, I knew the answer to that."

 

yeah, that's old news. it was on the papers when that thing happened.

it was just sayed that Axl stated that GNR won't be performing on the same stage as Hanoi Rocks. So Hanoi was forced to step back and go to perform other/smaller stage. Hanoi Rocks is still a huge in Japan. I have bootleg of them from 2002 and they just kicked ass. they had great chemistry with the audience, probably something that Axl and the new gang didn't/don't really have..but that's another story that.

everybody seems to bash the "new" Guns n' Roses and Axl...His old friends, the music business, old Guns n' Roses fans, people on internet...everybody.
I don't know why Axl still continues to think he is right whereas even his old close friends say he is wrong. I understand less and less Axl.

Well, from the bootlegs that i have listened to from 2002 Japan, it sounded like the crowd was really into it.  And that is saying a lot for the Japanese crowd.

BTW, did Mr. Monroe miss Rock in Rio 3.  Can you possibly have a crowd more into a show?

The worst about it i that Axl doesn't release something to prove they are wrong.. This eternal wait makes him look pathetic

correct.
Personately, I would be the happiest guy if I think the new material rocks, even without the old members. BUT this is not the case for the moment. Axl seems alone against everybody. Sometimes, he seems so lost with his new band...
Maybe he is not, but it seems he is from outside. On stage, I don't feel any chemistry between the new band members. this is not something you can buy with million $$. Axl can buy the guys with who he wants to be in the band, but he can't buy the chemistry between them. nobody can. this is a human feeling.

Hanoi Rocks are trying to get a tour of USA together, funny how Mike Monroe has a lot to say recently...  :hihi:

Everybody knows that by mentioning Axl, you'll get some publicity. Even the hairbands nobody has heard of mention Axl on Metal Sludge.   ;D



/jarmo

Haha what an ego Monroe has, as if half the crowd would even know who the fuck he was!

I don't know who Hanoi Rocks are, but the guy claims he has met Axl so that is more than anyone of us can say.

Mike is the singer in Hanoi Rocks, www.hanoirocks.com.

He appeared on these GN'R tracks:

Bad Obsession
Saxophone / Harmonica: Mike Monroe

Ain't It Fun
Vocals: W. Axl Rose/Michael Monroe



/jarmo

I really like Hanoi Rocks, but Mike could at least get his facts straight, like when he says they didn't play any new songs at all  ::)

I like Hanoi Rocks

You had to be into the scene mid/late 80's to appreciate them

Did this really happen?  :nervous:

The no-show Philly rumor basically said Axl was completely drugged.  

But who knows what to believe anymore.

Mike Monroe knows Axl more than we do, and he's telling us what he sees.

And what he sees is quite depressing.

it's obvious that he is trying to stir some shit!

trying to kiss up to Slash - possibly trying to connect for touring in USA

whatever the case is for his comments, get a life! I don't see AXL giving statements to magazines about him.

He is getting a lot of people pissed off with him lately though. Over at metal sludge his isn't making any friends in Nikki Six or Traci Gunns.

Why do people have to bash AXL for "mental problems?" Give the guy a break about his personal life.

This guy seems very fucked up and resentful with the industry because his band never received the success it could have!

I say loooooser!!!!
 : ok:

I think they're pretty cool.  But I wasn't into the scene in the mid/late 80's though.  Unles by "into the scene" you mean "born".  :rofl:

why couldnt vince neil had the whole group with him in that car :rant: bunch of jip joint bastards, hanoi rocks over gnr? give me a fuckin break mike monroe whoever the fuck u are

i hate when everyone bad mouths axl but sucks slash's cock, monroe must want to try and swindle a little opening slot for velvet revolver thats why he is chipmunking slash's balls so deep

fuck mike monroe who sings on the absolute worst gnr song ever and fuck hanoi rocks, talk about biting the hand that feeds, i see now why axl is so pissed cause his former friends keep sticking the knife in his back what did axl ever do to mike monroe to deserve that? nothing

fuck mike monroe!

Well D that was great!

I was trying to be gentle with my comments for fear of being bashed by other members for "loving Axl"

but hey, you go guy!!!!

Yeah!!!

FUCK YOU Mike!!! :rant:

Responding to Monroe's comments on the Metal Sludge message board,  BRIDES OF DESTRUCTION bandmate Tracii Guns wrote, "It's not really a good idea to slag two out of four of the guys in a band that your band just tried to get an American tour with especially after [L.A. GUNS singer] Phil [Lewis] and I dragged your ass up to Polygram in '88 to try to get you your solo deal (which you did) and after I got [HANO ROCKS guitarist] Andy [McCoy] those really nice custom Vox tear drop guitars made for him... So I guess the answer is no... We would not like to tour with HANOI this year. It's kinda fucked up too, because we were thinking of doing [a version of HANOI ROCKS'] 'Until I Get You' on our next record because we felt it would be cool to get you guys a little publishing because we respect your music but, fuck it!!!! Oh ya, remember Cologne, Germany in '89 when you and I went to that little club and saw Dan Mcafferty blow our minds??? I guess it's hard to remember good fun shit like that when you're basically just an asshole. I regret saying all the really kind shit I did say about you in the past. Don't get too high on thinking you created AXL bro... that was Izzy's idea and Axl just basically wiped your ass too the floor... oh ya ... did you know that crystal meth puts little pinholes in your brain???

Yes it did happen, but he corrected himself and even made a joke about it, saying it was too late when he realized he had made a mistake, and that he felt like an idiot. So it's no big deal like Mike's making it out to be  ;)

Isnt Axl's Tattoo of the Rocker Face supposed to be a picture of Michael Monroe?  I think so... anyone???

BH mediorce? Give me a break. The only reason he said that is because he is still close with slash.

Stop it. Beeing a good guitarist is not only playing 1000 notes per seconds, that's not that. Rock n' Roll is FEELING. Buckethead is technically amazing, probably better than Slash, faster, whatever you want, but in fact Buckethead is pretty weak: feeling: 0/10 charisma: 0/10  image/0/10 impact: 0/10. he is WEAK.
beeing "Rock n' Roll" is something you are, or you are not. It comes from your soul, it's inside you. That is the meaning of the word "music".
Slash is, Buckethead is not and will never be.

end of story.

I can't believe it's happening again.....  :crying:

Stop it, end of story.  :P

"rocktar81", go hang around in the Dead Horse section and come back when you've done with the "Bh vs Slash" discussion. Thank you.  : ok:


Mike Monroe is telling Axl to reunite with the old band. Mike himself refused to reunite with Any McCoy for years....  ;)


/jarmo

well Jarmo, I think unfortunately the "slash VS Buckethead" is something that will always happen for every Guns n' Roses fan on this planet...
even you, I'm sure you have your own opinion on this thing don't you?
I understand you don't want me to talk about it in this thread. that's ok. I won't do it anymore.
good night.  :smoking:

Yeah, my opinion is: Why argue about personal taste.

There you go.


On topic: I wonder how "well" Mike Monroe really knows Axl. They probably haven't met since the 90s. A lot can happen in ten years.


Edit: Split topic since we really don't need a new "BH vs Slash" topic...



/jarmo

Why is it always washed up rock stars that talk shit about axl, yet respect people like  Brian May, Zack Wylde and Elton John all talk very highly of Axl Rose?

Just something to think about.

Regardless of how what or who Axl has in GNR, I think he's always shown the utmost respect for Mike Monroe and even rereleased his damned albums on their label.  For Monroe to even make one tiny comment in negative retrospect for Axl is just a big slap in the face and I'm sure Axl probably feels happy that one of his idols has something bad to say.  Oh well just another Double Talkin' Jive motherfucker

great post bill!

imagine having all the people u thought were your friends all of a sudden turn on you

who cares about guns n roses, its only a band, there is still an axl rose the person and mike has no reason to talk shit about axl, hell how many new members have hanoi rocks had?

mike monroe shut up! please! u ungrateful bastard!

I agree with this person. : ok:

 ::) you just don't get it, do you.. ::) Monroe has his past with LA scene..they never did make it through but it's just sad that some posters don't have any kind of respect for old timers no more. the man was/is kind of "name" when these hair metal bands started to born...among them Hanoi Rocks is underground legend and influence...

I bet most of people don't even know what they are really talking about not to mention Hanoi rocks's/Mike Monroe's/Andy Mccoy's history...I just say these guys are true rockers, they don't care what others are writing about their style, they do it with heart, they aren't for selling out..never have been. They are Hanoi Rocks, the rock and roll band, that is what it counts for them.

But here some snoppy posters seems to consider themselves as a highest truth and even doesn't got their facts straight...and funny part of this is that I bet most of the posters haven't even heard any songs from them. They just somehow feel to have the rights to write shit about the band. Just go and buy their latest album "twelve shots on the rocks" and then come here to write about the band and Mike. Maybe then you would have some weight in your words and bashing.


and yes. Hanoi is making few gigs in USA so he's being asked some questions and he answers to them.


edit. I really didn't find any shit talking in Mikes answers..they were just his own opinions..but shit talking..hmm, I didn't find any.

I'd say the biggest difference between reborn Hanoi Rocks and current Guns N Roses is that Hanoi rocks managed to put out a killer new cd which is something the new GNR seems to be totally incapable of doing... Best stuff on 12 Shots literally pisses all over on everything I've heard from the new GNR so far.

The band is currently on promotional tour in the US btw...

As far as I am concerned, we are all in the jungle.  I am sadend and have looked for something in the whole theme, but reality rules, sooooooooooo far. You think, maybe it is as easy as opening up and saying...MAN I F-UP.

You know, drugs f-u-up, especially in those days...end of story.  You don't think straight.   Time goes by.  There is an re-action for every action.  Some people actually go to bed at night and give a shit.  The others who don't, oh well, get in the ring...

It was neat to hear this post, but life goes on. (apparently)

It's f-up how drinking/drugs took over their life.  That happens.  Cause your sooo miserable, it numbs you.

You have to survive and grow up sometime. I think they have.

First of all
1) Hanoi Rocks are extremely popualr in Japan, contary too what many people are saying
2) Hanoi rocks nevermade it really big (outside of Japan) as so to call MM "washed up" just becasue Hanoi Rocks dont play areans is utter crap - go listen to the "Twelve shots on the rocks" album or the single "A day late a dollar short"
3) I cant see any reason why this story aint true. In fact it sounds very much like something Axl would do - he already barred ex bandmembers from gigs - cant see why its cant be ex friends also.
4)There wouldnt have been a Gn'R if it haddnt of been for Hanoi Rocks - Axls qouted as saying that himself. They influenced Gn'R and pretty much the whole glam/ hard rock scene of the 80's. Go look at pictures of Axl and especially Izzy in the 80's - copying Michael Monroes and Andy McCoys look - theres quotes from the band memebers saying Izzy would try and look and act like Hanoi and dress the band up like them - so give them some respect!

He's either way full of errors.

Axl said "Tokyo", but corrected himself and had some fun with it, even at shows later on. No big deal.

To even characterize Buckethead as mediocre proves you dont really know what you're talking about.

Seeing the new GNR as a band without feel depends on where you come from. Put a guy that's never seen GNR infront of the TV and let him watch the Columbus DVD with the new GNR and then let him watch Tokyo 92 with the old band.  I bet anyone 100 bucks that he will pick the new GNR as the band who rocks the most.

But if you've been in the scene...saw old GNR and got used to that, it's a lot harder, coz it's not the same people. If you get used to a top hat and suddenly see a KFC hat, you pick the first one.

Doesnt really matter what he says, he doesnt have a clue.

I think GNR fans (especially Axl fans) read all interviews like "the devil reads the bible" way, over analysing everything, trying to find hidden meanings of things what was said etc. Let's face the reality: Guns N Roses is a band where everything is supposed to be happen somewhere in the blurry future while with bands like Hanoi Rocks things are happening right here, right now.

As for Michael's comments of Buckethead... I think he's damn right. Buckethead is (or was, isn't he rumored to have left the band?) a technically good fretboard wanker but nothing more.

The Columbus DVD vs. Tokyo 92 comparison is interesting in the light of which lineup wrote the songs? hehe

That's not the point. The point was charisma and being able to do a cool show onstage.

you say that..I think you don't get it..Monroe toured with GNR back in the days being as a guest-member of GNR. he did see what went on with the guys etc.

but yeah..let's say that you have a clue and your posts is  what accounts and Mike's doesn't and he don't get the picture..duh  ::)....satisfied??

Yeah  :rofl: fuck him

Can we even be sure that Monroe was talking about Buckethead when he said the thing about a mediocre guitarist? He didn't mention a name and the guy who wrote the piece had added [Buckethead] in there. Maybe he was talking about Finck?

Who cares about Hanoi Rocks anymore??? :o

But i still think that "Aint it fun" on Spag. in. are one of best songs, that GNR had covered.... 8)

Hanoi Rocks??!! Ha. Ha. ha.hahahahahahahahahahahahahaaa! Michael Monroe is a joke and so is his band. The greatest band that never made it!!!! HAHAHAHAHA. You always here people talk about Hanoi Rocks like they made some important contribution to rock music. They made about as much of a dent as TUFF!!! Nothing this guy says means crap. Just my opinion.

IMO I didn't  feel that Monroe's comments regarding Axl were negative.  Admittedly, he  said that he's not real close friends with him, and IMO you're real  friends aren't  just people that  say "yes, yes, yes" and let you be unaccountable for your choices...that's a job for teenage fanatics of a rock n roll band...he  doesn't like the new band...so what...and I  agree with him, I  don't envy Axl either...Axl  may think  Monroe's on drugs because Axl has no clue as to what inner peace all about (not calling Monroe a  Ghandi  or  anything) but if you're not "getting it" on the inside,  you ain't gonna find it on the outside.  I actually felt sorry for Axl after reading that...not that  I  wasn't feeling sorry for him before that.  The guy just doesn't seem happy or content and there's no way he's ever going to be unless he stops harboring these resentements towards his old bandmates (that resentment  does absolutley nothing to Slash, etal.) it only tears up the person (physically and emotionally) who won't let it go.

Michael makes comments like "they had no real connection with the audience" and "I told Slash myself he was shining" "get off Prozac" refferring to Axl.


I'm sorry this guy is an asshole, for some reason he is bashing Axl and you know what I think he is jealous in someway about something Axl has done or is about to do!!!!!

This goof makes reference to how much money Axl has made "too much money too fast" like fuck off Mike Monroe you wish you had half the adoration and fame that Axl has had in his career. What makes Axl 10 times the man you are is the fact that he stays out of the "public eye" and doesnt sit down and bash washed up musicians like you!!!!


Unless of course their has been a public conflict on going with two artists like Kurt Cobain, Axl or Vince Neil.

This guy is the most obvious suck up I have ever seen.  He sees Slash and Velvet Revolver as the best chance for a come back (because of the cd release and video) and probably has tried to get in touch with Axl and Co. and not had any luck so he is looking else where for tour suppport.  This is all about personal gain for his band.


Sad to say it's hard to have a come back when you were never on TOP!!!!!!
 :beer:

Watched the gig on a monitor? He wasn't even in the crowd or on the stage?

Isn't that what Kerrang! did at Rock In Rio 2 in 1991?  :hihi:



/jarmo

goddam that's the most stupid post I've read long time..you just don't get it. and I understant that, 'cause you don't know a fuck you're writing about. do you believe serious that this guy would call up to Axl's and beg him to give some job or something. Hammer 1's post is a perfect examble of a poster that doesn't know what his writing about, it's a warning examble..can't believe the stupidity of some people.

oh my god are you ever an angry BOY

1st - Your spelling and grammar are dispicable!
2nd - Your accussations about what I know are totally errogant!
3rd - I can't  even understand your post!
4th - What's so hard to understand, THE GUY IS A LOSER WITH VERY FEW FRIENDS IN THE BUSINESS AND HE HAS NOTHING NICE TO SAY ABOUT ANYONE (READ METAL SLUDGE ARTICLE).

(Sorry about the caps)

I am sorry but I thought this was a form to express our views on GUNS N ROSES not each other!

Your way to hostile!
 : ok:

Right.... Stop with the stupid insults.



/jarmo

Hammer 1 (and rest of the posters)


I liked to read your post till number 4.. I guess the first three ones are very true lol  :-[  ;). I totally disagree you with number 4 but let's just leave that alone.

as you have all noticed I have been little/too pissed. so I' m sorry for the insults that I've probably made towards other posters. I crossed a line, I admit that, but I have just experienced few of this thread's posts very low class posts.

english isn't my mother tongue so I hope you can get something out of this post.  :peace:

John Daniels,

You seem to know more about Hanoi Rocks than most other people on this board, so my question is for you.

You said that this thread is 'old news' correct?  

There is another thread (Mike Monroe talks with Metal Sludge thread) a few pages back.  

Which interview is newer?

I'd like to know because in the Metal Sludge interview, he said some very nice things about Axl, and I think he genuinely cares about Axl.  After all, they were friends, and admired each other a lot.

I don't know the current situation with the Mike and Axl. but they used to be good friends. Axl even was in Mike's video "dead, jail or rock and roll"


and that "not sharing the stage with Hanoi" is old news here in Finland. It has been written in magazines about 1,5 - 2 years ago when Hanoi did a gig in Japan


edit. don't know which one is older..as someone said these interviews have been made 'cause of Hanoi's promotial tour in states. they will do a few promo gigs in late spring/summer.

if there wasnt a hanoi rocks there wouldnt be a guns n roses? thats bout as stupid as axl saying without paul tobias there would be no more guns n roses

u are saying that musicians as talented as axl,slash,duff,izzy and steven wouldnt have got signed if it wasnt for hanoi rocks? come on dude i agree with most of your posts but that is crazy

mike monroe seems bitter to me, jealous even and his bashing of axl to me is unwarranted

What a Slash brown-noser.. running to Slash to tell him all about how crappy Axl is.

No wonder Axl feels betrayed by so many 'friends'.

I think he is just jealous, like The Offspring, that Axl can just come back out of so much silence and create such hype and take all of the attention, so he bags him out for self-promotion.

Agreed : ok:

All i have 2 say is.....................

HANOI ROCK LICK HAIRY BALLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :hihi:

... Or could it simply be that truth hurts? After all, it doesn't matter if you like Hanoi Rocks or not, or believe what Michael is saying. It's a band that is doing everything the current GNR is not doing: Releasing records, doing tours, giving interviews... It's not like with Axl who gives an interview every 5 years and we spend the next two years thinking what he really meant.

From what I have understood Michael is good friends with Slash and other ex-GNR folks, so I think it gives him a slightly better perspective to say his opinion of f.ex Axl's new band than many other people. Not saying his sayings would mean any more than anyone elses, it just that if you're friend with people you really don't have to kiss their ass and take whatever comes as "cool" or whatever...  

Anyway... My wild guess is that in the first quarter of 2005 Hanoi Rocks fans will be listening the next Hanoi album while the most stubborn GNR2 fans are still building that bullet proof theory of why Chinese Democracy is definitely coming out in 2005...   ;)

great post.





It's just that when a one got this "fuck this, fuck that", "Axl is the greatest", "no one can say anything bad about Axl" attitude ready. I find it very difficult to explain something about for e. Hanoi Rocks, when a one got his ears already shot before any conversation, it's like a speaking to deaf. a one don't get it and don't want to get it. how can you get an information to one's head when situation is this poor.  

for examble we have a poster PunkRocker saying HANOI ROCK LICK HAIRY BALLS...you know, it's a fuckin ridiculous, a fucking joke. the guy doesn't even know the right name of the band (Hanoi Rocks). I guess he has that "attitude"..."he won't listen nothing bad about Axl" and "Axl is the highest truth"..It's frustrating to see that people don't know really what they are talking about. They just defend their leader blindly.

And I bet that if Axl Rose himself would be on this board...he would say to most of the Hanoi bashers "shut the fuck up" "show some respect, they did something with their lives and succeed something that you haven't succeed/done so far."

I guess all I can add to this conversation is that I've never heard of Hanoi Rocks, nor has any of my friends, or anyone I've asked. And the only reason I know Mike Monroe is because of Ain't It Fun, I guess that insult enough. Maybe he should spend less time bad mouthing people, and more time trying to get more fans.....

Then again some people like being paid in yen.

Well mike/andy hardly talk anything that is true...

Like Andy once said that Hanoi have many gold records from US..now that's a lie and everybody knows it.

Andy also said that Hanoi is and allways will be biggest selling finnish artist...That is also a lie...They've sold a shit compared to Bomfunk Mc's or Darude or Stratovarius or Nightwish or HIM or Apocalyptica...

Andy said once (soundi 2001) that biggest gig he ever played is texas front of 130000 people AND THAT IS ALSO LIE!!

I agree with Axl on a few out of many occasions, so I am not someone who just defends Axl time after time.

But this guy is talking shit on this occasion, the crowd loved the new GNR, as they did the old one through the many shows they played over there over the last decade or so.

And yeah I agree that they should be shown some respect, but im not bashing them with go lick donkeys balls insults, just giving my take on things. And I doubt Axl would be telling us that we havent done shit with our lives, cos I for one certainly have thus far.

Was Axl scared to take the stage with him? Who knows. I doubt it, I think this guy is just giving himself some self promotion. Axl has taken the same stage as  the Chillis, Metallica, Elton John, Queen and the great Mix Master Mike  :hihi:

yeah, you are allowed to slam eachother if you are brothers, and to jarmo: what's your point? is this good or bad?

and for the people saying axl is more man than mike... cmon, it's NOT a big thing if youre more man than him... :rofl:

Let the Music Do the Talking!  8)

For those who have not heard of Hanoi Rocks before -- check out:
http://www.liquorandpokermusic.com/main.html (http://www.liquorandpokermusic.com/main.html)

You can listen to a full version of their song from the new album.

You can order Hanoi CDs from Amazon.com. Check out the short
preview clips of 'Two Steps From the Move' as well as the customer reviews!

I think everybody here can afford to spend some of their cash on classic rock albums while waiting for the next GNR record.  : ok:


/Mikko