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Title: GnR Vs The Darkness
Post by: Mattgnr on February 16, 2004, 05:44:03 AM
On MTv2 now is a day dedicated to GnR and the darkness - Lots of live videos etc..

Try and check it out if you're a lazy student like myself.

Mtv2 might be UK only.


Title: Re:GnR Vs The Darkness
Post by: DazRose85 on February 16, 2004, 06:35:15 AM
lol! I only knew what was happening when my brother turned up the TV really loudly while I was still in bed, and I heard the opening notes to WTTJ. I could hear it was live when I ran downstairs but it was nice suprise to see it was the MTV VMA '88 version! The other clips that were played from then on were Knockin' (Freddie Mercury tribute - with reggae part cut!), Paradise City video and Live And Let Die live from Wembley Stadium '91. Good stuff! ;D


Title: Re:GnR Vs The Darkness
Post by: blues_rock_axeman on February 16, 2004, 07:23:07 AM
Finally, MTV2 get a clue and stop playing most of the tripe that they do.

Those are 2 of my favourite bands of all time. I predict that a load of people on here won't like The Darkness, but I have to say, having seen them live, that they are amazing.

 :beer:


Title: Re:GnR Vs The Darkness
Post by: DazRose85 on February 16, 2004, 08:00:56 AM
"So never mind The Darkness, we still can find a way..." :smoking:

I like 'em too ;D


Title: Re:GnR Vs The Darkness
Post by: Mattgnr on February 16, 2004, 09:14:06 AM
I like the Darkness - hope they're able to progress in terms of music style i.e.

not sticking to the same format for every song.

It's over now - it wasn't an all day thing just a couple of hours; but it was good

fun anyway.

Well can't be lazy all day - must do work must do work.

Bye

Matt.


Title: Re:GnR Vs The Darkness
Post by: darkmonth on February 16, 2004, 10:11:17 AM
eh?  NO!!!  the fucking Darkness are all about hard rockin' twin Marshall/Les Paul setups, with kick ass hooks and riffs.  The SHOULN'T change!!!  I fucking don't get people like you.  If a band does something soi fucking well, why change~?  GnR would still be my favorite band if they had kept rockin'.  By adding synths or fucking drum loops, doesnt make your music any more inventive or interesting.  Guitar riff music is the coolest.  I hope the Darkness keep rockin on the sound they have had for years.  I wish GnR had.  And before you say they shouldnt or they would only end up repeating Appetite... thats fucking bullshit.  The same sound, doesnt make them limit themselves to the riffs and arrangements! Otherwise, Sweet Child O' Mine, would be the same song as Nightrain, or Rocket Queen.  And they blatantly aren't the same.


Title: Re:GnR Vs The Darkness
Post by: Captain P?l on February 16, 2004, 11:12:35 AM
eh?  NO!!!  the fucking Darkness are all about hard rockin' twin Marshall/Les Paul setups, with kick ass hooks and riffs.  The SHOULN'T change!!!  I fucking don't get people like you.  If a band does something soi fucking well, why change~?  GnR would still be my favorite band if they had kept rockin'.  By adding synths or fucking drum loops, doesnt make your music any more inventive or interesting.  Guitar riff music is the coolest.  I hope the Darkness keep rockin on the sound they have had for years.  I wish GnR had.  And before you say they shouldnt or they would only end up repeating Appetite... thats fucking bullshit.  The same sound, doesnt make them limit themselves to the riffs and arrangements! Otherwise, Sweet Child O' Mine, would be the same song as Nightrain, or Rocket Queen.  And they blatantly aren't the same.
i dont get people like you....
what is THEY DO IT WELL? what if they do that thing even better then straight forward rock? but following your rules you get ac/dc, wich, in the words of angus young, released the same album 13 times...... (or is it more)


Title: Re:GnR Vs The Darkness
Post by: horsey on February 16, 2004, 12:36:25 PM
the darkness is tiny tim in drag lol.they suck bigtime.g N r rules !


Title: Re:GnR Vs The Darkness
Post by: Mattgnr on February 16, 2004, 12:59:25 PM
eh?  NO!!!  the fucking Darkness are all about hard rockin' twin Marshall/Les Paul setups, with kick ass hooks and riffs.  The SHOULN'T change!!!  I fucking don't get people like you.  If a band does something soi fucking well, why change~?  GnR would still be my favorite band if they had kept rockin'.  By adding synths or fucking drum loops, doesnt make your music any more inventive or interesting.  Guitar riff music is the coolest.  I hope the Darkness keep rockin on the sound they have had for years.  I wish GnR had.  And before you say they shouldnt or they would only end up repeating Appetite... thats fucking bullshit.  The same sound, doesnt make them limit themselves to the riffs and arrangements! Otherwise, Sweet Child O' Mine, would be the same song as Nightrain, or Rocket Queen.  And they blatantly aren't the same.

Okay - that's your opinion

I like them, but in my opinion i believe that many people see them as a joke band

that are stuck in the 1970's; and to change this image they have been labelled with i

reckon that by showing their huge fan base they have now that they are capable of

releasing something a tad different, would not be a bad thing!
,
oh and the gnr reference is just retarded - if gnr kept to AFD style through their entire history - we wouldn't have 'Estranged' 'November rain, 'Don't cry' and many others.

Would you want that?


Title: Re:GnR Vs The Darkness
Post by: anarchy on February 16, 2004, 01:12:21 PM
the darkness is tiny tim in drag lol.they suck bigtime.g N r rules !

You know, it's ok to like more than one band.

The Darkness rock!!  :peace:


Title: Re:GnR Vs The Darkness
Post by: Smoke on February 16, 2004, 01:21:54 PM
it is important to evolve in your music.  you do not want all of your songs to sound the same.  It really bugs me when people say I like their first album but i hate the rest of their music because it is different from what i am used to.  Musicians change their styles as they get older.  Usually when they first start out they have a lot of rockers and they rebel because they young and don't care about anything, but they change as they get older.  Guns and Roses is a great example of this.  AFD was a huge rock album but what really but them into legend status is the use your illiusions cd's.  The best musicians have a variety of styles that they can write songs and perform their music.  

AC/DC is a good example of what not to do.  They have been doing the same thing forever, its kind of tiring to listen to them now because all of their music is the same.   Compare them to Aerosmith, they have changed and I think that they are still awesome.  I am so glad that GNR has changed, and their new album will be even more amazing than the rest of their albums.  (hopefully)


Title: Re:GnR Vs The Darkness
Post by: pants martin on February 16, 2004, 03:03:28 PM
i dont like the darkness and i think ta have them compared with gnr is a joke the darkness are al about posing for the camera and looking "pretty" and are in essence a hairmetal band in the sense of mass cheese and joke lyrics where as gnr were at the end of the 80's hairmetal scene they wernt a typical hairmetal band like they had decent powerful lyrics,they were authentic-genuine and had shit loads of attitude and (when they started) were just about rocking out and gettin wasted but the darkness just seem fake to me.  and  i just dont loike there songs anyway
but anywho thats just my 2 cents


Title: Re:GnR Vs The Darkness
Post by: SLCPUNK on February 16, 2004, 03:06:06 PM
[quote author=Smoke link=board=2;threadid=10329;start=0#msg178946

AC/DC is a good example of what not to do.  They have been doing the same thing forever, its kind of tiring to listen to them now because all of their music is the same.  
Quote

Yea and nobody likes AC/DC anymore.... :P


Title: Re:GnR Vs The Darkness
Post by: 2NaFish on February 16, 2004, 03:20:04 PM
i dont like the darkness and i think ta have them compared with gnr is a joke the darkness are al about posing for the camera and looking "pretty" and are in essence a hairmetal band in the sense of mass cheese and joke lyrics where as gnr were at the end of the 80's hairmetal scene they wernt a typical hairmetal band like they had decent powerful lyrics,they were authentic-genuine and had shit loads of attitude and (when they started) were just about rocking out and gettin wasted but the darkness just seem fake to me.  and  i just dont loike there songs anyway
but anywho thats just my 2 cents

Joke lyrics? What joke lyrics? Have you even listened to any of their songs or just read a half assed review? Whereas "used to love her" is, to quote Axl, "a joke, nothing more"

As for them "looking pretty" i think you'd actually have to have seen them understand how ludicrous that statement is. And their posing is in the great british tradition of good "camp" which they are doing brilliantly.

You've let too many crappy reviews form an opinion for you. Anyone online that i told about the darkness before they made it thinks their great cos they made up their own minds - you're just jumping on the "anti-popularity" bandwagon.


Title: Re:GnR Vs The Darkness
Post by: jarmo on February 16, 2004, 03:32:21 PM
What's wrong with discussing The Darkness in the thread about them in the Bad Obsession section?


Haven't this show been on before on MTV2 Europe?



/jarmo


Title: Re:GnR Vs The Darkness
Post by: Mattgnr on February 16, 2004, 05:02:19 PM
Maybe?

But i don't see nothing wrong in comapring GnR to the Darkness in this section?  :P


Title: Re:GnR Vs The Darkness
Post by: 2NaFish on February 16, 2004, 05:08:05 PM
Maybe?

But i don't see nothing wrong in comapring GnR to the Darkness in this section?  :P

to be honest if thats what we're doing it's a strong candidate for dead horse.


Title: Re:GnR Vs The Darkness
Post by: SwedeChildO'Mine on February 16, 2004, 05:09:17 PM
They are good, but still lightyears after GN'R.


Title: Re:GnR Vs The Darkness
Post by: Mattgnr on February 16, 2004, 05:12:31 PM
Maybe?

But i don't see nothing wrong in comapring GnR to the Darkness in this section?  :P

to be honest if thats what we're doing it's a strong candidate for dead horse.


Well it doesn't really matter now as this is basically over now anyway!


Title: Re:GnR Vs The Darkness
Post by: badapple81 on February 16, 2004, 06:17:15 PM
What's wrong with discussing The Darkness in the thread about them in the Bad Obsession section?


Haven't this show been on before on MTV2 Europe?

/jarmo

Maybe we should chat about Slash V Buckethead instead? Or has Axl really had plastic surgery? Doe he wear a wig?

At least the topic evolved from a GNR thread.. isnt much else to discuss atm.


Title: Re:GnR Vs The Darkness
Post by: pants martin on February 18, 2004, 03:11:53 PM
i dont like the darkness and i think ta have them compared with gnr is a joke the darkness are al about posing for the camera and looking "pretty" and are in essence a hairmetal band in the sense of mass cheese and joke lyrics where as gnr were at the end of the 80's hairmetal scene they wernt a typical hairmetal band like they had decent powerful lyrics,they were authentic-genuine and had shit loads of attitude and (when they started) were just about rocking out and gettin wasted but the darkness just seem fake to me.  and  i just dont loike there songs anyway
but anywho thats just my 2 cents

Joke lyrics? What joke lyrics? Have you even listened to any of their songs or just read a half assed review? Whereas "used to love her" is, to quote Axl, "a joke, nothing more"

As for them "looking pretty" i think you'd actually have to have seen them understand how ludicrous that statement is. And their posing is in the great british tradition of good "camp" which they are doing brilliantly.

You've let too many crappy reviews form an opinion for you. Anyone online that i told about the darkness before they made it thinks their great cos they made up their own minds - you're just jumping on the "anti-popularity" bandwagon.
fuck u dont fucking judge what i think, ive got the darkness' album and i think most of it is a joke plus justin hawkins has actually said on a radio interview on virgin "i write the stupid jokey lyrics and the over the top solos" so piss off and the "used to love her " thing thats one song out more than 50 now come on get real no i aint just jumping on the anti popularity bandwagon u fuking shithead ,i had permission to land b4 anyone i know ever did and just didnt take to it


Title: Re:GnR Vs The Darkness
Post by: duffman on February 18, 2004, 04:05:44 PM
Both GNR and the Darkness are great bands.  They're both really enjoyable to liten to which isn't the case with most music today.  And plenty of people still like AC/DC.  Their live show is one of the best around.


Title: Re:GnR Vs The Darkness
Post by: lennonisgod on February 18, 2004, 04:14:07 PM
I don't understand why everyone compares the fucking Darkness to GNR.  Where the fuck is the comparison there?  I have heard the Darkness cd and think its pretty fucking lame.  Its nothing new and its nothing different.  Its the same old repetitive fucking rock music that comes out everyday.  I think glam was over in the 80's.  Why would anyone want to bring back the worst genre of music ever?  What this world needs is a good fucking rock band, that doens't sound like everyone else.  But, guess what?  It aint never gonna happen.  The world is full of rip offs that somehow find a way to get played on the radio. :smoking: :smoking:


Title: Re:GnR Vs The Darkness
Post by: AxlsPiano on February 18, 2004, 04:23:17 PM
I love the darkness. It's not like they're trying to be GNR so we're just talking apples and oranges here. I bought permission to land and while theres about 2 tracks i dont completely LOVE, the rest are great. I don't care about their image, i'd rather see some guys having fun than the rest of these bands acting depressed and bitching and moaning in every song. (Linkin Park, anyone?)
And not to mention, their guitar solos kick major ass.


Title: Re:GnR Vs The Darkness
Post by: slashjunior on February 18, 2004, 05:06:28 PM
Hey all! Anyone remember me? I used to post here quite a lot and I'm back!

Anyway The Darkness are good and they are fairly similar to GnR, but GnR are in a different league. I think The Darkness will be popular for about another year then they will all need to get to their local job centres and get a job. Although it is too early to say. I can't see them sticking around as long as GnR, that takes a classic album like AFD.

If you learn one thing today:

GnR > The Darkness

End of story.


Title: Re:GnR Vs The Darkness
Post by: R4tfink on February 18, 2004, 05:24:26 PM
I dont think The Darkness will need to visit another Job Centre in the lifes somehow!

And comparing them to GNR is in fact ludicrous, one is an active touring band who have released an album in the last year and worked there asses off to get there.


The other is a hired bunch of contracted musicians fronted by a reclusive perfectionist.

Rip me all the fuck u want, there is no comparison, when GNR do something again, then there is room for comparison.

The Darkness are unique in a world full of processed manufactured pop shit and dire, boring i hate my mom bands.

Gnr are unique in the music industry for doing nothing.


Case closed.



Title: Re:GnR Vs The Darkness
Post by: slashjunior on February 18, 2004, 05:37:05 PM
They both play hard rock, that is the comparison.

The Darkness is all a big marketing machine, it is pretty obvious they would become huge. To be honest though I don't think they have the song writing skills or talent to stick around.

If you think when they are all going to be rich when they disappear by the end of next year then you are sadly mistaken. The only way you make you make big money in the industry is by sticking around, like Metallica and GnR, with classic albums that still sell by the truck load, who can still fill stadiums 20 years down the line.

The Darkness will not achieve this, so it looks like its off to Lowestoft job centre.

If you think that Permission to Land is anywhere near as good as any of the GnR albums then that would be foolish.


Title: Re:GnR Vs The Darkness
Post by: AxlsPiano on February 18, 2004, 08:33:38 PM
Um, I don't think they'll be looking for jobs. If you looked past the USA, you'd know they are quite a big deal in the UK. And they fucking deserve it. I don't care what anyone says about their songwriting, I think it's fucking great. The Darkness is 100x better than anything on MTV and quite frankly, I think they're a breath of fresh air to the music industry. They're very talented and I think they're doing fine. I really wish America would give them the push they need because they're the best thing out there right now, in my opinion.


Title: Re:GnR Vs The Darkness
Post by: NickNasty on February 19, 2004, 12:20:57 AM
The Darkness and GNR are both great....though incomparable lyrically, Axl is by far greater than Justin Hawkins. Still, The Darkness have an oppurtunity to be what GNR once was...a real rock band that cuts thru the current shittiness of the current music and reminds us what real rock-n-roll can be.  Axl could've reclaimed the mantle, but it seems unlikely now, IMO.


Title: Re:GnR Vs The Darkness
Post by: biddybaby on February 19, 2004, 01:25:37 PM
 :)gnr blows darkness away how can anyone compare the two darkness does have the old style rock and roll  not like the other new bands of today maybe it will help bring back real rock music the darkness is manufactured gnr are real and ac/dc kick ass


Title: Re:GnR Vs The Darkness
Post by: Doc Emmett Brown on February 19, 2004, 02:02:44 PM
It's fair to compare the Darkness to the EARLY EARLY days of GNR when they were in their glam phase.

But AFD is a gritty hard rock take-no-prisoners kind of album. It sounds nothing like Permission to Land which sounds more Queen / hair metal-ish.

If the Darkness release a pair of double albums that sell millions, then it's time to compare them to Guns  ;D


Title: Re:GnR Vs The Darkness
Post by: Hung Well on February 19, 2004, 04:44:51 PM
it is important to evolve in your music.  you do not want all of your songs to sound the same.  It really bugs me when people say I like their first album but i hate the rest of their music because it is different from what i am used to.  Musicians change their styles as they get older.  Usually when they first start out they have a lot of rockers and they rebel because they young and don't care about anything, but they change as they get older.  Guns and Roses is a great example of this.  AFD was a huge rock album but what really but them into legend status is the use your illiusions cd's.  The best musicians have a variety of styles that they can write songs and perform their music.

I don't think this could be further from the truth.  Ask any casual rock fan about a GNR album and they will answer with AFD.  UYI didn't make them legends, AFD did.  UYI was and is considered a good, yet dissapointing followup to AFD.




Title: Re:GnR Vs The Darkness
Post by: biddybaby on February 19, 2004, 06:17:37 PM
It's fair to compare the Darkness to the EARLY EARLY days of GNR when they were in their glam phase.

But AFD is a gritty hard rock take-no-prisoners kind of album. It sounds nothing like Permission to Land which sounds more Queen / hair metal-ish.

If the Darkness release a pair of double albums that sell millions, then it's time to compare them to Guns  ;D

:)it might be fair to compare the two as far as the glam look goes but not when it comes to talent darkness is a joke they don't have enough talent to release a pair of double albums that sell millions
afd is the biggest selling debut album in history what is darkness debut album


Title: Re:GnR Vs The Darkness
Post by: Ejay on June 06, 2006, 04:38:25 PM
Well, we've seen them play in Lisbon, I did notice a slight difference between the two bands....... ;D ;D

The Darkness and GNR are both great....though incomparable lyrically, Axl is by far greater than Justin Hawkins. Still, The Darkness have an oppurtunity to be what GNR once was...a real rock band that cuts thru the current shittiness of the current music and reminds us what real rock-n-roll can be. ?Axl could've reclaimed the mantle, but it seems unlikely now, IMO.


Title: Re: GnR Vs The Darkness
Post by: ARC on June 06, 2006, 06:56:01 PM
The Darkness. Ha.

I remember that month well.  :hihi:


Title: Re: GnR Vs The Darkness
Post by: CAFC Nick on June 06, 2006, 07:19:12 PM
Theres no competition.

The darkness SUCK ARSE. I really fucking hate them. They piss on the name of every rock n' roll band that ever existed.


Title: Re:GnR Vs The Darkness
Post by: BD888 on June 06, 2006, 07:28:28 PM

AC/DC is a good example of what not to do. ?They have been doing the same thing forever, its kind of tiring to listen to them now because all of their music is the same. ? Compare them to Aerosmith, they have changed and I think that they are still awesome. ?I am so glad that GNR has changed, and their new album will be even more amazing than the rest of their albums. ?(hopefully)

AC/DC is a good example of what not to do?  Do you know that AC/DC has sold almost twice as many albums as GNR in the US?

And Aerosmith are a shadow of their former selves, they know that, they don't even right their own songs anymore.


Title: Re: GnR Vs The Darkness
Post by: BD888 on June 06, 2006, 07:29:41 PM
I have seen The Darkness live.  I must say I was quite unimpressed when I saw them live at Wembley Stadium.  But saying that, I have seen them live on tv and was very impressed.


Title: Re: GnR Vs The Darkness
Post by: tHeElEcTrIcSiNtAr on June 06, 2006, 07:30:23 PM
The Darkness sound nothing like Guns. Case closed. The Darkness do cheesy 80s music, they cant even compare to Guns. This is such a stupid thread.


Title: Re: GnR Vs The Darkness
Post by: Mr Rage on June 06, 2006, 07:38:36 PM
Why would anyone want to bring back the worst genre of music ever?

Hip-Hop = booty shakeing, bling bling and leaning on cars looking tough!

now what is the worst music genre?


Title: Re: GnR Vs The Darkness
Post by: Ejay on June 07, 2006, 07:53:36 AM
Since when is Booty Shakeing wrong? : ok:  : ok:

Why would anyone want to bring back the worst genre of music ever?

Hip-Hop = booty shakeing, bling bling and leaning on cars looking tough!

now what is the worst music genre?


Title: Re: GnR Vs The Darkness
Post by: Mr Rage on June 07, 2006, 05:51:18 PM
nothing at all ;D

just a shame that 90% of hip-hop artists think it's nesscery in their videos.


Title: Re:GnR Vs The Darkness
Post by: darkmonth on June 07, 2006, 06:51:13 PM
I like the Darkness - hope they're able to progress in terms of music style i.e.
not sticking to the same format for every song.

They did that on the second album.  I have both and they're completely different.  Both great albums tho.  I like the Darkness a lot.  They get slated some but I think that's just haters being stupid.


Title: Re: GnR Vs The Darkness
Post by: AtariLegend on October 07, 2006, 04:34:10 PM
I was always hearing on Kerrang that the Darkness are like Aerosmith and other great 70s bands, does this mean that Steve Tyler is a TWAT?


Title: Re: GnR Vs The Darkness
Post by: J.J. Cook on October 07, 2006, 04:53:54 PM
I don't like The Darkness. The singer's voice annoys me for one. Two to me the music I've heard is pretty much generic. Three they seem to be all image and copying the past. I like Beautiful Creatures and Buckcherry. Beautiful Creatures' singer is from the 80's band Bang Tango but they sound good and incorperate a lot of modern elements with a slightly heavier edge. Buckcherry I think could be a comparison to GNR if we HAVE to compare anyone to GNR. They sound modern yet they're stripped down hard rock but pretty much every song is distinctive and there's a lot of different style.


Title: Re: GnR Vs The Darkness
Post by: Limulus on October 07, 2006, 05:09:16 PM
The Darkness who??!???!!


Title: Re: GnR Vs The Darkness
Post by: Robman? on October 07, 2006, 05:11:16 PM
on MTV2? In what country?


Title: Re: GnR Vs The Darkness
Post by: Nighteyes on October 07, 2006, 05:21:35 PM
I'm listening to the Darkness right now ;D


Title: Re: GnR Vs The Darkness
Post by: Demon Wolf on October 07, 2006, 06:07:09 PM
I like The Darkness, actually. Their guitar solos are good, and their lyrics are good in a different way.

I still prefer GNR over them, but there's no reason why ya can't like them both :D


Title: Re: GnR Vs The Darkness
Post by: slash666 on October 07, 2006, 07:24:37 PM
The Darkness Rock so do GnR, i have seen both bands live (GnR x1, The Darkness x2) and they both put on amazing shows.

and to all the haters, be thankful that The Darkness are keeping what ever is left of UK rock alive and be glad they are different, or be prepared to listen to EMO crap!

If The Darkness were so bad, then why were they performing at Rock In Rio aswell as GnR?