Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Ok;

Here's the deal, Universal are attempting to release this Greatest Hits album which doesn't have the approval of Axl Rose or management. It's a poor mixture of songs, and there are no extras with it. Not a quality product.

To help stop it (if you are interested) this is what we're going to do;

Email david.cohen@umusic.com and tell him that you don't want this Greatest Hits album, and tell him why you don't want it. Please express yourself in an adult manner, and please don't abuse this email address in any way. Also, please only one email per person

The more people we can get writing to him, the better, so please spread the word. But with it, also pass on my sentiments that this must be carried out in a proper manner

What would also be useful is if you could cc the emails to gunsandroses000@yahoo.com , so we can store the emails, just in case they come in handy in the future (Only do this if you want to though)

Thanks

Note--> Please note that it is in no way implied that Universal have ever been the cause or blame of the non-release of Chinese Democracy historically

I will write one of these, but what are the odds of this actually having any effect on the decision?

Mysteron, MIsterid had a great idea...how bout we do one of those petition things. We front it with a professional type letter and have all of our names follow it....I recently wrote a thread about a letter. Something like this i suppose...
To GN'r Management,
  Over the years the GN'R rumor mill has spun out thousands of ridiculous rumors concerning this band. Respecting the fact that the band wishes too remain quiet in regards to fan communication, the fans have deciphered the many rumors and have continued to wait. This letter is soley about one particular rumor that if it is remotely true, the very, very loyal GN'R fan would be extremely dissapointed and feel in a way, betrayed.
    The rumor we are concerned about is the possibility that the record company might be releasing a GN'R Greatest Hits Album. Although we still love the old music, we already have Live Era. Releasing another CD that contains old material would be a slap in the face for the thousands of GN'R fans who have patiently waited for Chinese Democracy. Although the wait has been frustrating, we still love this band and we will keep waiting for the CD. We want GN'R to be the biggest band in the world again. If that means Chinese Democracy and the follow ups are still not ready, so be it. We will remain patient and wait. But we definately do want a Greatest Hits album along the way.
    We understand that the company has invested a lot of time and money into GNR and might want to recoup any type of monies until the new releases. It is a valid gesture but the fans who have waited all this time feel as if it is a slap in the face. The record company has been patient this long, why end it now? Again we are willing to wait as long as it takes for the new lineup to complete their work and become a fixture in this depleated musical landscape.
    The thousands of extremely loyal GN"R fans would greatly appreciate if the band and or record company would reconsider a Greatest Hits release. In some regards, the pulbic views this band as a joke. A greatest hits release would continue that trend. All we are asking for is for the band and the company to do whatever they have to do to make this band the biggest band in the world again. If that takes another "x" amount of months or years, so be it. We don't want and need any more old material. We will be there when everything is ready, and will do our best to make this band popular again. A greatest Hits release would show that our loyalty and patience doesnt mean much.
  Again, all we ask for is for the Greatest Hits cd be shelved until after thsi new lineup has released their material.
                                                                Thank You,
                                                            GNR Fans

Obiviously fix up the grammar and spelling but that type of letter that focuses on the greatest hits. Add or take away from it. But i think its a good idea, and we can atleast try and show our dissapointment with this release idea

Yeah. Will it do any good? ???

And why would they release a product that's shit with no extras? ???

How do you know that it's without Axl's approval??? [headscratch]

I'll send the dude an e-mail but, I don't know what good it will do Mysteron. : ok:

We'll have to wait and see  :)

I just sent an e-mail.

I don't know if this will do any good, but if this is a release that not even Axl and his management can stop, then WE the FANS are the only ones who have any chance to stop it.  Every e-mail counts, every single one means there is a better chance it will be stopped, so take the time to write out a decent e-mail.  Maybe we can do something for Axl, now.

The petition thing is a good idea

But for now, if you could just do it in the manner I have requested then that would be cool  : ok:

As for questions regarding whether it's worth the bother or not. The easiest way to find out is to suck it and see  ;)

Again, thanks for your help on this

How do you know this album got no Axl's approval ??

Sent and sent. : ok:

Lets stop this motherfucker!

Hey Mysteron? :confused: :nervous:

 

Are you actually Axl man??? ???

[headscratch]

'Cause, I'm starting to think that you might be Axl dude. :yes:

Why bother stopping the release of GH? If u dont want it then dont buy it, I dont think it will delay CD anymore than if it wasnt release anyway and atleast GNR will get some mention while we wait.
Damn some people need to let things be and just get on with your lifes!

Here's mine:
Dear sir:

     It has come to my attention that Universal Music is planning to release a Greatest Hits album featuring several popular singles by Guns n' Roses.  I am a die-hard Gn'R fan, and I do not agree with this decision, and there are several reasons for this.
     To begin with, I am disappointed with the song selection on this release.  While I like almost every song Guns n' Roses has recorded and released, I feel that there are stronger tracks in their catalog that are not included here.
     Additionally, it would seem that, based on statements made by various current band members in publically available interviews, that the new album titled "Chinese Democracy" is nearing readiness for release.  I believe it to be a mistake to release anything that might take the focus from this endeavor.  The public, and die-hard Gn'R fans like myself, would doubtless feel let down by a disc of retreads when there is apparently new material in the offing.  The mystique surrounding this band has never truly died and it would, I feel, be tarnished by a Greatest Hits release.
     Finally, and, I think, most importantly, the focus should be on the future of Guns n' Roses, not on the past.  Times have changed, the band has changed, and public interest has changed.  New music would be a far better seller than old at this time.  Remember, the surprise appearance by the band at the MTV Video Music Awards 2002 generated quite a bit of media attention and excitement.  The buying public is ready for something new, and a Greatest Hits album is anything but.
     Please take my points into careful consideration and think hard before moving forward with the Greatest Hits release.  Many people call themselves fans of Guns n' Roses, and "Chinese Democracy" is what fans want, the sooner the better.
     Thank you for your time.  Feel free to reply with any questions you may have.
     Regards,
Michael B. McGann
Executive Producer
James Crystal Radio Group


Sound OK?
/Mike

SLCPUNK , that petiton can be useful now in some way ?!  ???

Because it has caused a battle between sanctuary and universal = not good

Sent today:

Dear Mr. Cohen,
 
I am writing to you today to express my disappointment in the upcoming Guns N' Roses Greatest Hits album that is planned for release. As a long time fan of Guns and their current effort to release a new record, I think this GH record would be a backwards step and ultimately hurt the reputation of a still legendary band. From what I understand, this release is against the wishes of Axl Rose and as a loyal fan, I am taking it upon myself to let you know that I will not buy this album. As you may know, GNR continues to have a huge following mostly through Internet message boards. I believe I speak for thousands of fans, when I say, let Axl release his new material in his own way. We GNR fans are the most tortured, frustrated soles in the business, and we don't want to see this new record tarnished by a hastily, put-together classics album that would surely paint a dark cloud over the new band. We've waited patiently over a decade for Chinese Democracy. We can hold out for a few more months!
 
Thank you for your time.
 
Ryan Hawk

management

I don't think the petition is that useful. I mean say we stop the GH, then what happens? It doesn't mean we will get CD so why bother? If you don't want it just don't buy it.  It's Axl's own fault he is in this mess so he should sort it out himself.

My protest has been sent, hope that it helps.  Hope that the rest of you can also take time out of your day to send a message too.   : ok:

I sent my message. I hope we can stop this damn cd...

Consider it done Mysteron!

/Estranger

I sent an email off.

What a slap in the face this release would be. Its an embarrassment.

Give us Chinese Democracy, or don't give us a motherfucking thing.

Just when you think being a fan cant get any harder...

I agree dude, and it's shit like this that's holding the GN'R camp from getting their intended music out to the fans.

AA

done. I hope we can atleast force them to improve the track listing if we can't get them to cancel it.

Mysteron,
You seem to be "in the know" more than anybody on here. A straight-forward and direct question for you -- What in the hell is going on in GNR camp right now? If you have communication capability with GNR management, I would think it would be realistic for you to ask for and receive some sort of "state of the union" message. Clearly, we deserve it and you seem to be the only person around here who can get it.  I'm not asking for a specific release date. But, I would love more than "We'll let you know when there's something to announce".  

Thanks so much.

That Greatest Hits thing is quite obviously a bad idea and I am sure that Axl doesn't have anything to do with it. Axl tries to build something new, and this would just contribute to stuck GN'R in the past (past music, mast imagery, past members etc...).
The Greatest Hits album can't do any good for the new version of GN'R, but it  can do some harm. It could also be a bad thing for the reputation of the band, as all the true music lovers know that Greatest Hits album such as this one are just lame and artificial...

I will try to find some time to send a letter to the address that Mysteron gave us...

If they get a ton of e-mails from their "opportunity to make money" saying that they WON'T get their money, maybe they'll reconsider?

I think we can even use what we already have from the Street Teams to spread the word about Mysteron?s idea.

It would be really helpful to try to stop GH and also a good test to the future effective use of the ST to promote CD.

teehee, guns n' roses fans campaigning against the release of a CD because not enough time has been spent putting it together.

"It's like 10,000 spoons when all you need is a knife."

Done  :)

:hihi: Isn't it ironic?

I'll send one off, but I really don't know what to say. I'm thinking about keeping it short and letting them know there will be some kind of internet and word of mouth campaign to boycott it and that all the fans want is Chinese Democracy.

Done and done.

See, this is what I don't understand. I don't think sending emails to the record company is going to get us CD any sooner unless they can force it out of Axl's hands. Cancelling it is only going to buy Axl more time because I doubt the company decided to just forget CD in favor of a GH without good reason (ie they dont feel it will be out anytime soon). I think an email campaign to GNR's management would be more beneficial because we could try to force some info out of the band.

It's what Axl wants and im sure Axl has more of a clue what the ramifications of cancelling the greatest hits are than what u, or anyone else, thinks.

Believe it or not, this is gn'r's management telling us something from Axl.

I don't think the point here is to try and get CD out sooner, but to stop this GH album from coming out because it's the most stupid idea ever and no one wants it.

It will do no good to anyone.

Yeah, but I really don't understand their intentions for releasing a greatest hits CD. I think if it flops, which it very well could, it could put GNR in an even more bad light which they don't need. Plus, if they're going to release a GH CD why don't they put more thought into it with a tracklist that we actually like? I also don't like the idea of a label going against an artists wishes, even if the artist is as bullheaded as Axl.

But I completely agree with you on sending something to GNR's managment for a status update at the very least. I'm all for that.

i'll send one because i realize the negative impact this will have on the band's future, but at some point we have to realize that this is most likely Axl's fault. All he has to do is give them the album, and all, presumably, is forgotten.

Assuming this GH is designed to recoup some money from the CD sessions, only Axl is to blame. Universal is, i assume, a publicly traded company that has stock holders and a board of governors to answer to who don't give two shits about the fans wait for a new GnR album; they are concerned only with the bottom line. So really, it's hard to blame the company. They do what's in their economic best interests. At least 6 years and an estimated $10 million has gone into this project and they still obviously have no concrete schedule for its release.

yes, i agree it sucks and it'll wreck any legitmacy this new band has, but i think we're painting the wrong party as the bad guy.....

Have a little faith in our meddling ability, the GH was delayed before....it can be done again.

This GH would be a slap in all our faces

Can u see the headline on MTV?

''Guns N Roses fans protest album release''

Its worth it just for that......

'Cause, I'm starting to think that you might be Axl dude. :yes:

Funny...I'm thinking he might be David Cohen himself  :yes:

Maybe Mysteron is Del James? ???

Ha, a slap in the face is what I used in my e-mail.

Well, I don't think a GH would put them in a bad light if it flops because GH's are held to much lower standards. I mean, they aren't even going to release a new track to promote it so logic says it's not going to be a huge success. So I don't know how anyone could say it was a flop. I agree about the tracklisting though. I think it should contain a much better tracklisting. Personally, I'd rather see DVD but I guess they wanted the most cost-effective way to get some money back into the account.

I don't mind them going against Axl's wishes because it's only reasonable for them to want to get something for all that money they sunk into this project. I can't imagine them even breaking even on this.  :no: They have to be more frustrated than any one of us could imagine.

We should start our own campaign to management.   : ok: What email addy do we use?  ???

for those about to rock we sallute you!!!!

hey i know im "a newbie" but shit ive been reading all these posts form you fuckers since last march.....i agree with writing an email an i must say im lazy motherfucker but as soon as i seen that i and my fellow gunners were asked to go to bat fer our band... i clicked off the porn and typed up a civil email and sent it post haste.....if yer serious about the love of this band stand up and make it count... now is the time ;D
                  pece fuckers
                   -chris

We should! :hihi:

I know an e-mail to use if need be ;)

He's just got one from Poland...  :)

5th did.

I am considering this a BOYCOTT

Tell David we will boycott the album if it is released. Universal will not get our money.

Has anybody received a response from this David fucker yet??? ??? :o


If you do, we'd all like to know what that useless piece of shit has to say. :yes: : ok:

Sent and CC'd.

Id rather shag Cher than buy that!

NOPE.


Where was everybody when I had this the first time?

Most of my sigs came from S America and Europe.

I don't have time to do a petition now.

The old one was deleted once the GH was 'pulled'.

o.k I am going to send an e-mail but the thing is. I'm getting tired of having to fight axl's battles for him. We all signed a petition last time we had the gh fiasco. I spent hours searching for websites for the street team that probably will not have anything to promote anytime soon. If there is no news about cd anytime soon at least an update or something, I am going to not even participate in the street team thing. It's been said a million times, but what is so hard about writing a paragraph concerning what the band is up to? They are taking a shit on each and every fan. Don't get me wrong I still love axl and gn'r, but this is starting to get real old, in fact it's been old for about 3 years now.  I can totally understand the record label doing this, maybe its not even about the money, maybe they are just trying to piss axl off because they have become impatient. I mean all things considered I think axl's record label has been pretty damn patient up to this point. I don't know, its all becoming too fucked up. I think a large chunk of the fanbase has already been alienated by the cancelled tour and no shows, and I think we have lost even more since then. but alas, I will send an e-mail just because I don't like the track selections, and I hope if it gets cancelled again, maybe something will actually happen with cd.

sent an email and CC'ed it... the tracklisting sucks... no bonus features or new shit on it... GH will be lame... but axl needs to get off his ass and deliver CD

You've got some great points in there. Of course it opens the whole can of worms about "what's owed" fans or not. I think they should give us something, some kind of update. Something. I'm tired of the whole fiasco and I'm not signing jack squat. No offense to those who do.

I have a suggestion. Someone should copy/paste all theses comments from this here message, and then forwards them to that e-mail address that Mysteron gave. There seems to be a lot of grit just in this thread alone!

dude..... I?m tired of saying this
just forget  ::)

Or just send and email with the link.

The guy is going to get tired of getting bombed with emails.  In regards to keeping the emails civil , I'd bet many have gone off the path already.

Nah... even if he read this thread, he will think "just 20 people trying to stop a label decision..."

He may have the IT guys blocking any e-mails sent to him that end with hotmail.com or yahoo.com.

Just a thought but it may happen.

I guess nobody's gotten a reply yet??? ???

Perhaps he'll write someone back tomorrow and try to explain some shit to us???

[headscratch]

The protests shouldnt be about Chinese Democracy. It should be about protesting a very pointless release. If everyone keeps emailing them and just telling them how dumb of an idea this is they might reconsider it or atleast delay it again.

My only concern is this:
 By releasing this stupid album they are simply ruing the new lineup. This cd will not seel, and as a result the label tell gnr they will not get a full promotional push for cd becuase of poor greatest hits sales. Then we will get more delays. Its gonan be a mess. If this is all true.

You have to look at this from Universal's point of view. Axl is taking forever. And I don't think that a GH album will hurt Chinese Democracy if it ever comes out. Most people won't even know the GH exists even after its on store shelves.

I didn't even know the Live Era album existed until 2 years after it came out, lol!! (it was before I came to the boards), and I consider myself a pretty good GN'R fan. I saw it on the shelf two years later and was like WOW!, and then looked and saw 1999 on the back. :) If the GH album gets only minor advertising and no MTV/TV support, it will be almost completely harmless, in my opinion. Look at Aerosmith and all their compilations.

I'm sure if Axl called Universal tomorrow and said "Okay, if you cancel the GH for March 23, I will release Chinese Democracy in April and I'll sign to it", Universal would burn all the GH material in a second. But it seems everyone is getting frustrated at our favorite braided bad boy.

Personally, i'd like to see the Gh album. It'd be SOMETHING, which is more than what we have now.

I think this release is irrelevant to the new band. Their music is the only thing that will help or hurt them. There's a whole past of Guns N' Roses that they have to live up to and this minor release that will get very little attention will not be a problem for anyone.

Sure, this means Chinese Democracy won't be coming out in March or close to it... and cancelling this GH thing won't change that. So I don't see the point.

I'm not sure where I stand on this one, nor the ramifications, good or bad for a release of CD.

If a GH release gets Universal some money back on the Axl investment, good for them.

On the other, if it upsets management, who knows when/if the new record will ever see the light of day.

Maybe the supposed GH release date is a power play from the label to get Axl to turn CD over...

It'll be interesting to watch..

Oh, and I don't know why everyone feels so sorry for Universal and how they must profit because of all the money they spent on Chinese Democracy. If they spent money on they expect to get it back when it's released, and I'm sure they will. It's ridiculous to think they will not get that on CD alone, unless the album is big flop.

Universal can kiss my ass :-*

They put out over priced CD's that cost under a dollar to make and sell it for almost 20 bucks, and they regularly screw artists over and then throw them away. If Axl is sticking it to those bloodsuckers I say GREAT!

What gets me is releasing it against the artists wishes, and it may start a battle between the band and the label.

It happens all the time, mostly when a band is calling it quits or when the label sees/thinks a band has reached a pont of diminishing returns.  

In this case, GNR (with no light at the end of the tunnel in regards to CD's release and the band still a working entity) is more of a liability than commodity.

It's just business...

Is it possible that they are using the GH title as a decoy, and it is actually CD?

Understood Falcon  : ok:

But still, from all the shady shit the labels do, I'm glad to see a rebel pissing them off. But I see their point of view.


Yes, it is possible. We can all hope...

we talked about that scenario last time around. I think if that were true than axl would have been in cahoots with the label and it wouldn't have gotten cancelled the first time. Now this makes me think that after gn'r heard about the greatest hit's they were opposed and fought back, they maybe came to an agreement where either you give us chinese democracy by a certain date or we release the greatest hits. thats just what i think.

I doubt Mysteron would have started this thread and activity if there was a chance it is a decoy.

I'm going to guess that half the people that email are going to be saying "release CD!" and not even mentioning the GH thing. Personally I was suprised that Mysteron gave that address out.

It's a tough call, no doubt.

I actually see the label as the rebelious party in this scenario while the band/management hurry up and wait.

Two sides to every story, good drama..

mailed mine.

A GH featuring the old band is an insult to the new members. They are owed more than residing in the shadow of the old guys for another record.

No GH, more dead air.

well... i sent an email out, but mostly because i think that GH tracklist is god awful. horrendous.

that said, whether or not GH is released will not have a direct effect on chinese democracy. the only thing holding that up, frankly, has to be axl. i'm sure universal/interscope/geffen/whoever would love to release it as soon as possible, if only it was ready.

clearly, the GH album is a last resort for universal. a more effective way to make sure it isn't released is to start an email campaign to axl saying we want CD. any chance mysteron could hook us up with that email??  ;)

I, like most of you, want CD to be released more than anything, but isn't a petition to GNR management just misplaced anger ?  

Does anyone truly believe that the record company or managment is holding the album back ?

Do you think the record company would release a GH's if CD was anywhere near a release date and possible damage the release of CD ?

I think the record company is sending us a clear message that CD is nowhere near ready for release and that it's in their best interest to recoup some of the enormous costs of CD.

I think the petition should be sent to the band/Axl that if we don't receive any news of a release by June 1st that we're all boycotting the band.

What the hell, that would be over a year and a half since we received any news.  Thats more than any fan should have to wait for an update.

PS - mysteron, if you're in contact with GNR management, then why don't you tell us allot more of what's going on with band ?  What would be the point in you holding info back ?  It's obvious that you're either holding allot back or you have no connections whatsoever.  I'd be intersted in knowing why you haven't told us allot more if you're in the know.

it would only be an insult if they released some material of their own under the GNR name. As it stands now, all they've done is play 4 or 5 new songs live a few times and cover all the old band's stuff.

Oh, poor, poor, Axl. The big bad record company is picking on poor little Axl. The same record company that gave him millions and millions of dollars and have been waiting for years and years. Lets all cry a river for Axl.

Or, Axl can stop the release of GH. It's really in his power. All he has to do is pay back the money he's been advanced - I'm sure Universal would make that deal IN A SECOND.

i agree wholeheartedly with everything you have to say, except for the PS part. there's obviously many reasons why someone who is really somewhat in the know would not want to reveal anything... which is probably the same reason people like dizzy and stinson don't really say much regarding CD.

that said... mysteron has also made it clear that the band/management won't say anything until they are ready... but maybe he can help direct us to someone who we can voice our complaints to who is somewhat close to the band/management, because frankly there are many many fans who are angry, and that just isn't right-- especially when you're gonna later count on these fans to buy your product. we don't want a date, we just want communication... its much easier to deal with a long wait that way.

Ten million dollars is a helluva a lot of money to make an album. :o :crying: :no:

Especially when it's one that hasn't been released yet. ::)






??? :nervous: :crying: :confused: :-[ :'(

It seems that (on this board anyway) that Axl is not getting the same support/sympathy this time around as far as GH/no news on CD is concerned. What say you (guys)?

Do you sense more frustration from the core group here?

I'm personally getting really pissed-off with Axl man. :rant:

I've been a fan since '96 and have put up with far too much shit than a fan should have to. :rant:

He should sit down and remember what it was like to have a favourite band that you love and put himself in our shoes.

How would Axl like it? ??? This is total bullshit man. :rant:

Axl, it seems, is one heartless motherfucker as far as I'm concerned and has lost touch with reality. :rant:

Yes SLC, there's more frustration here now and it's fucking getting worse by the day. >:(

well it seems like we got his back the first time and then he let us down...

i mean, we don't know the story behind it, but the most believable one that i've heard is that the record company agreed to drop the GH in november so long as axl promised to have CD in their hands by a certain date (most likely a couple months). it's now a couple months later, axl hasn't delivered CD, and now the record label is once again threatening to put out GH.

they gave him one chance to stop it, and he couldn't come through, so why should they give him a second chance? hopefully there's still time for axl to finish up and give CD to them, but i don't see it happening.

i think that's why there isn't as much sympathy for axl this time around. nonetheless, i really dont want to see this crappy half-assed GH album come out. i'm sure its probably designed to punish axl and recoup some $$, but come on, think about the fans for once. sheesh.

They don't give a fuck about the fans dude. They never have. All they care about is getting our money out of our pockets and putting it in theirs.


Makes me wanna' [puke] sometimes. :rant:

i think the greatest hits is a great thing

axl needs a fuckin kick in the ass the record label has been lenient enough, more lenient than they would with anybody else, its time to hatch this egg already, so axl needs a little pressure i think, i still believe its a cover up for c.d. a greatest hits makes no sense

also it wouldnt hurt guns n roses if a gh came out, most wouldnt even care or realize

warner bros put out an unauthorized greatest hits cd of prince and prince basicallyjust posted on his website and asked all his fams *not fans thats short for fanatics and prince doesnt like that so we are fams which is short for family*   not to buy the cd, said warners were tryin to make a quick buck and not to buy it, so i didnt, ill simply just not buy it

i know... it sucks... now if only the band cared more about making its fans happy than protecting its fragile image. but it seems like axl has zero interest in connecting/communicating with the fans-- except when he does perform he seems to have a good time. i guess he just has other priorities in his life, which is understandable since he's already made loads of money, but sometimes i wish he understood it from the fans' perspectives.

oh well...

I'd rather the Greatest Hits didn't happen but if it does then it's no big  deal for me.  CD will come out some time and I'll be glad when it does but bitching about Axl won't do any good. He can take as long as he wants.

Crowebar. If you have nothing to add to the conversation, just shut up.

Sent from Poland

Thanks for doing that. Keep it up, and we'll see over the next week or two what happens

Just for the record, I'm not against a Greatest Hits package. I just want one that is chosen by the artist, not by the record company. Plus, I am also wanting the new album to come out as soon as possible. Disagreements such as this will only delay it further = not good

sent.


and misterid, the costs of one cd, is not that simple...yeah, it don't cost much for doing one cd, but you know how much hands there are for taking credit for doing cd's. there are many parties taking the money out of the CD price. marketing, distribution, pirate etc. I've heard that there is not much air with the price of CD.

There's also something else that hasn't really been mentioned.... the GN'R album discography.

Look at it. It's a rather nice collection of albums, with hopfully at least another 3 to come. Live Era acts as a great "link" between the two main incarnations of the band, using old live backing tracks with new studio vocals. A "Greatest Hits" album at this particular stage would be a dirty thorn in the grand scheme of things. It will tarnish it.

Looks at Aerosmith's discography - there are loads of compilation albums which doubled up tracks, while Queen have been careful, and have 3 specific GH albums with seperate track listings.

im not sendind anything , its good they are releasing a GH

im sick and tired of waiting , this band is a completly joke now , its unbelievable :-\

and u ppl really think your e-mails will change anything?
get real plz

"Because it has caused a battle between sanctuary and universal = not good"

Why should I care if corporations are having a pissing contest, please Dr. Seuss this for me Mysteron...if no one buys the album wouldn't the corporation would just write this off come tax time as an investment loss?  ???

No i am not going to sign anything that stops a new GNR release. Theres too much negativity already surrounding GNR. You may already have the material already.  

Isn't that the case with all Greatest hits though?  The material is already available, but Greatest Hits sell loads.  And if it stirs up some nostalgia for the general music fan, then great.  

We have never had a propper GN'R Greatest hits,that's a fact.  A combo GH+dvd would be a good idea but this time COMPLETE with YCBM + It's so easy promos, Civil war, Live-era Welcome to the Jungle.   The Chili peppers Gh+dvd combo is great value for fans at no extra cost, fantastic.  I had all the songs on there, but when you look at the track listing it's like wow how can i not buy this!? lol

Listen great songs are great songs and anyone disputes that about these GNR songs well why are you even hear??  These are classic great songs.  I totally understand the frustration i have been a fan for 12 years.  We fans don't get that appriciation back in the way if the material we want to see released.  But surely if this is what it takes to get the whole thing rolling then fuck it.  It's up to you whether you go out to buy it BUT alot of people will, so let it be.  

You don't get anything in life if you don't at least try

You don't have to care if you don't want to

This thread is for those who do care, and maybe want to try and do something about it

Boys and girls, and no offense to Mysteron, but we should be mass emailing Axl Rose, not some chump at umusic. There would have never been any mention of A GREATEST HITS CD IF HE WOULD FINISH THE RECORD AND RELEASE IT. He is the one that should be doing the explaining. This is a complete joke and unfortunately, it is Axl's fault. He has drug his fans through the ringer since he named the album in dec 99. 4 fucking years ago! If you are not going to release it anytime within the next four years, don't fucking talk about it. Then, the whole tour fiasco and complete silence. Now, they want us to help them out. But, where is the quid pro quo????? It is an obviously one sided relationship with us being the abused spouse. Again, it is a joke. The Street Team thing is just free promotion and now this. This guy has completely taken a dump on our collective faces and you still want to help him out. Just think about it. :-\

I agree with you madagas

Thanks a lot Skeba. :no:

I have been adding to this conversation as far as I'm concerned. :rant:

I don't appreciate you telling me to shut up because you disagree with what I have added and I take being told to shut up as an insult.

We're not out on the street and if we were and you told me to shut up, I'd punch you in your big lippy mouth a few times and teach you a lesson in manners in short shrift or, die trying.

You're a Moderator remember???  ??? And, allegedly a GNR fan.

You're breaking the rules that you're supposed to be enforcing so, you're out of line and that sucks because it's just another abuse of power IMO.

Other than the puke thing, what have I said that is so wrong or out of order man? ???

What have I said that others aren't saying in different words? ??? [headscratch]

Go take your bad mood out on somebody else man. >:(

Anybody else here impressed with Skeba because I'm not and it looks like he's got a hardon for me and you know what? I'll be the one that ends up getting banned. Not him.

It's sad that he's allowed to get away with this jarmo. :(

There's a very big whole in your logic.  In truth, if all GnR cared about was money, they WOULD release CD....or would have released it already.  They wouldn't care if the album was a huge, stinking pile of shit, because, with the GnR name attached to it, it will sell (Look at St. Anger).  I think, actually, that Axl does care about the fans...and he refuses to give them a product he doesn't think is good enough, just to cash in.  He doesn't want to give us "good enough", he wants to give us something trully remarkable....

I'm not Mysteron, but allow me to try.  I can't do Dr. Suess, so I'll try math:

GH release = pissed off Axl
Pissed off Axl <> release of CD
No release of CD = pissed off label
pissed off label = breach of contract lawsuit
breach of contract lawsuit <> release of CD
breach of contract lawsuit = release of band from label
release of band from label <> release of CD
label = owners (at least in part) of CD masters
CD masters = sitting in vault for 20 years
CD release = 2024

Now see how the GH release may not be a good thing?

Letter sent, FYI, and copied.

So Axl & Co are supporting the 'Greatest Hits' when they do 'Rock In Rio 4'............& there's me thinking it would be 'Chinese Democracy.'..........Doh!

This whole thing is fucked-up.  :'(

What the hell I'll give anything a go if it forces some kind of reaction out of the record company!

Dear Mr Cohen

I am writing to express my dissatisfaction about the proposed release of a Guns and Roses 'Greatest Hits' album. I really cannot see the purpose of it as most of the original members have left the band, and the name 'Guns and Roses' is now synonymous with a new line up, direction and ultimately (we hope) album.

Welcome to the Videos was great, but only because the promo videos have never been released in DVD format before. Other than that, there was no added value to the fans.

I hope this doesn't seem tiresome, but ultimately Guns and Roses fans are also customers and I think we speak with one voice in asking for an update at the very least. The official website does not even confirm the band is playing at Rock in Rio 4 and the last piece of news 'Stay Tuned news about Chinese Democracy' is almost a year old.

Thank you for your time.

Andrew

"GH release = pissed off Axl
Pissed off Axl <> release of CD
No release of CD = pissed off label
pissed off label = breach of contract lawsuit
breach of contract lawsuit <> release of CD
breach of contract lawsuit = release of band from label
release of band from label <> release of CD
label = owners (at least in part) of CD masters
CD masters = sitting in vault for 20 years
CD release = 2024"

So what you're saying is that Axl (at age 40 is an immature, self-absorbed, irrational asshole and will fuck himself over --wouldn't that be a switch :D--and have a 6 year old tantrum and kick and scream because of the release of a Greatest Hits CD and then, because he apparently is some kind of idiot man baby he says, screw you, you can't have CD now, knowing full well he has a contract?! Amazing!

No, that's not what I'm saying.  I think he has every right to be pissed off.  UM has taken control of his material, which he  (along with the other former members) worked his ass off to create, without so much as a how do you do.  Given that scenario, from both an artists viewpoint, and a buisnessman's viewpoint, I'm not surprised he'd be reluctant to hand over any NEW material for them to later do the same thing with.  I wouldn't characterize him being pissed off as any sort of immature tantrum.  I'd characterize it as justified anger at being screwed by a greedy label with no integrity.  

And before people start yammering about the 10 million that Interscope has advanced GnR, and how they have a right to recoup it, I'm gonna ask a favor.  If you use that number, point me to a credible source for it.  I've seen it used in countless arguments, but I've not yet actually seen a reputable source for it.  'Cause I've also heard that a good number of the dollars spent to fund CD have come directly from Axl's own pocket. I don't know, exactly, which story is true....so kindly provide some sort of "proof" if you're going to argue against my post using that point.

I don't think ANYONE on this board knows what kind of contract Axl has with whatever record label they are actually on-pick one Uni, Inter, Gef??!!!! This whole thing is one fucked up mess being directed by a fucked up individual. Anyhow, I sent an email to the umusic clown only because the tracklist is an embarrassment, but I still believe we need to be emailing Gnr's management as well. We are the ones screwed here-can't everyone see that? ??? ???

I agree with noonespecial and Crowebar.

Email the record the record company?  For what?  I'm sure Axl will thank us for all of the support.   :rofl:

No one gets this:  The GH is NOT for fans like us that look at this board everyday.  It's for those people who know those same 4 or 5 AFD songs, PAtience, KOHD and any other song that was played on the radio.

I don't blame Universal at all.  If this is going to cause such a "struggle," then why wouldn't Sanctuary come out and say something, or why wouldn't the band say something?   :no:

You're right...nobody knows anything about the details of their contract.  As for the label confusion, here goes.

Uni owns Interscope who owns Geffen.  They were on Geffen, when Geffen was bought, they went to Interscope, and now that Geffen has become "full service" again (apparently), they're back with Geffen.  Uni owns them all, and is the "one ring", so to speak.  Not sure WHERE the GH decision is coming from....

And it sure is one fucked up mess.

I understand the label issue-I work for a Fortune 500 company so I undestand subsidiaries, spin off companies, etc. I also agree no one knows what has been spent on this record, except the Uni, Inter, Gef accountants. Who cares how much has been spent on it? The label has made a helluva lot more off the Gnr name than they have lost!!! I don't feel sorry for them at all either.  >:(

The band gets a few cents off each album, when the label takes in the rest of the money. Is that a fair practice? Is it fair that they charge us nearly 20$ for something that doesn't even cost a friggin dollar? How they financially rape their artists, I'm supposed to feel sorry for them? I don't think so.

Axl's a pretty fuckkin' rich dude and it wouldn't surprise me one bit, if he's financed part of his baby.

It is getting pretty ridiculous around here lately.


Even a Moderator like Skeba is getting frustrated and can't take the pressure anymore.


:rofl: [headbanger]

here is where u all are wrong

u guys say axl has named the cd in 99 and he shouldnt talk about it if he isnt gonna release it

well he hasnt talked about it since dec 2002 so its been over a year and change since we've heard from axl, thats cause it isnt about to get released, axl himself said when there is something to report u will hear from me, until then live your life ,u wont see me in the press or whatever unless there is something to promote. he also said theres a  chance we will never hear it

so its alot of u guys fault for listening to these bullshit insiders thinking they have the direct pipeline to axl,and then when these insiders are wrong everyone blames axl

sure axl has said in the past about next summer, u will see it soon etc but maybe at the time that was the truth but now things have changed

so until axl reports it, not someone on a  message board, no disrespect to mysteron but why the fuck are we doing street teams for a greatest hits?

so i think greatest hits is a cover up or they are some bold son of a bitches tryin to get us to street team for a bullshit greatest hits

WTF !!
 :o

when he said that?!

Someone who lives in LA needs to find out the name of the studio they are "recording finishing touches" in (assuming they actually are, it seems unlikely to me that any recording work is actually being done) and just barge in. Just go for broke and barge in Gord Brody-style.

Japan 4!

Even more reason for Axl to do a press release IMO. :'(

I still get the feeling that GH is actually disguised as CD myself. :yes:

I hope that's what's going on and if that's what Axl's up to, that's the real reason why he hasn't done a press release to explain all of this shit.

I think Axl might be dropping a nuclear bomb on the whole world without saying anything to anyone and is going to let the fucking music do the fucking talking for him.

Anybody want to start a betting pool on this idea??? Pilferk??? Anyone???


What are the odds that Axl would repeat what they did with the Illusions???

I have a policy with GnR: I don't bet on anything to do with the release date. :)

well, there are other hands also that wants their share of pie, not only a label, do you think that all the money that comes from sells goes to the label and artist.....I don't know what are you meaning with the word label, do you include to the word 'label' all these other sections that craps the part of price...marketing engine, distribution etc..I think all these factors raise the price of cd.

I can't remember that statement also..

I believe that D is referring to Axl saying something along the lines of "If in fact it does happen" during the "live your lives" statement.
/Mike

I see, yeah I guess Axl keeps alive the possibility that cd won't be coming out..but I believe that possibility is very low

axl can suck my dick

I bet you would like that..wouldn't you darling..

I'm feeling a bit ambivalent about this personaly, as it would seem a lot of us are....I agree with many points in many posts on both ends of the issue.  I can see taking issue with us fighting Axl's battles for him...I mean, the 1st petition went around and we received not so much as a peep...now, this post isn't going to devolve into an "Axl owes us", but fuck...what about all of those interested in RIR who take a weekend off of work, pay for plane fare, hotels, etc.?  Now, Mysteron claims the official RIR site was the means they chose to confirm, but with all due respect, I think first and foremost, an announcement like this from label, management, whomever, would be a healthy start before we all start circling the wagons again..Likewise, a lot of folks on here put a great deal of effort into this street team situation, and a little "We'll announce the name shortly", or SOMETHING from an official channel is not much to ask, I just hope this wasn't planned for the GH...

On to Geffen: Regardless of the amount that they have invested, if Geffen chooses to recoup some of its funding for CD, then shitty tracklist or not, go for it.  If this is a powerplay for CD, then the label must be privy to some knowledge that it is not imminent or not completed, and thus are justified.  I say that because whether this GH taints the GNR legacy or not, W. Axl Rose has had multiple attempts to rectify this situation, the label has been infinitely patient (they didn't start threatening until last November), certainly beyond the reasonable limits of any such treatment another artist would receive.  I know a lot of you would argue that "that's simply because the material is exceptional."  I used to say this to myself too.  At this point, it could be an orgasmic explosion of Beethoveen, Mr. Bungle, and Fugazi, but in all honesty, enough is enough with the semantics and the circular rationalizations, because guess what?  If this record ends up in a breech of contract suit, we'll be suffering the consequences.  Just like we suffer with every other beacon of hope that comes along.  Geffen won't suffer...they'll release every archival piece of GNR footage they've got in the pipeline until they feel they've recouped sufficiently....Axl will retreat to Malibu, and the remaining members will carry on in either former or entirely new projects.  By Axl saying "if it never happens, you'll never have missed it," he gets a constant cop out pass from all of us because we'll always refer to lines akin to this as we all continue to ponder and wait.....Bombard Geffen if you hate the tracklist, great, but also take the time out to inundate Sanctuary as well...they're not the fucking victim here...we are....read seven pages of replys, had a few reactions.....

Joe
 

my email has been sent.

I have never done this for any kind of musical "movement" so I must really feel strongly about it.

Joe, you are exactly right....

This is not a very good idea dude. :no:

In fact, it would probably get the person shot or, at the very least, fucked-up for life like paralyzed. This person would also be facing serious criminal charges with the very real possibilty of going to jail, like that stalker freak-bitch did.

I hope ya' were joking, which I'm sure you were. :yes: :beer: :smoking:


Also, that was a well-written post there Joe and I agree wholeheartedly. :yes: : ok:


Well done dude. [headbanger]

Not wanting to sift through 7 pages of comments, this might have been said already.  IT occurs to me that a Record Label really isn't gonna care about a relatively small group of people writing letters to them, but if we forward the letters to radio stations, MTV, MuchMusic, VH1 etc, then they might comment on it.  If everyone that sends a letter adds something so that it is immediatly recognizable as part of a petition, with everyone individualizing it, the media is going ot pic k up on it.  If it looks like a large organized petition, they may mention it on news, on their website, on the air or something like that.  That will get the record label's attention much faster.  The problem is that it could backfire as promotion for the GH release.  

Just a Thought
/Ben

On the subject of "Chinese Democracy" being "disguised" as the Greatest Hits CD...I highly doubt this. It wouldn't be a "disguise" at all! What better way to take another shot at the old members of the band than by having "Chinese Democracy" released as "Guns N' Roses Greatest Hits"?

[idea]

Fuck me dude!!! :o


That is an excellent fukkin' idea and I never thought of that!!! :beer: :smoking:


I could see Axl thinking along those lines as well. ;D :rofl: :hihi:


Axl's a super-fukkin'-freak and would get off on just that sort of kick in the teeth. :yes:


Not that that makes it right or anything. :no: But, oh well. That's Axl 4 ya' if it's true. [headbanger]

I said it before and I am going to say it again: I think everyone is going the wrong way about this whole mess. Universal are the only ones willing to stand up to Axl at this point. Why should we bail him out and buy him even more time? It's about time someone tells him that we've had enough already. We're just being his yes men if we bail him out.

I just have a bad feeling this will end really badly. What happens if we get the GH cancelled and Universal decides they are done with this mess?  They know CD is not ready and now we are telling them they have no chance in getting some of their  money back, so what is going to stop them from pulling the plug now?  :no:

If they had CD in their hands, do you honestly think they'd waste their time promoting a half ass greatest hits?

It's not as simple as them getting the master and copying. Just because its finished doesnt mean it'll be released. Axl said at rio that lots of people tried to stop him putting together the band and releasing CD, there must be legal issues to sort out.

What legal issues? As far as we know Axl just doesn't have the confidence in the material. It's time to stop making excuses for him.


Universal...

I don't understand what legalities there are either. The people trying to stop him were the old line up when they tried to stop him from using the GNR name, then stopped him from releasing AFD 2000.

I remember Slash on the Stern show saying they finally just stopped caring about him using the GNR name but he was trying some other stuff that they didn't like, such as AFD 2000.

There isn't anything standing in his way of releasing CD. He almost released it at least once before, and all the old members seem to be anxious to hear it as well...

Axl already sold over a shit load of records... What more things could he dodo besides of what the fans want from him.. I mean he in his 40's. Its not like he needs to money and if  he does need the money he's not only one doing the whole lets just release this thing. Maybe people are getting tired of dealing with his shit but its Axl and nothing more.

Just stop reading bullshit post  :)

As far as we know? We know?? KNOW?? Neither you nor i know how Axl feels, so don't try and psychoanalyse him based on maybe a dozen interviews in the last decade.

All i know is that he is proud of the songs they've given to us, and that he's "holding his big guns back". Which to my IMPLIES that he is confident in the material.

You totally misunderstood my post. I mean that for all we know the delays could be for any reason. You're the one making assumptions here saying that it's for legal reasons. We have no idea what's going on because the guy does not communicate.


Whoa, I don't know where all that came from.  I think it's safe to say Universal is promoting this album because we've gotten confirmation from multiple sources. It's already up for pre-order on CD Universe.

I agree with the rest of your post so I'm not sure why you are directing that at me. I've said all along that emailing Universal isn't the right thing to do and that we deserve to hear from the band if they want us to fight their battle.

"No, that's not what I'm saying.? I think he has every right to be pissed off.? UM has taken control of his material, which he? (along with the other former members) worked his ass off to create, without so much as a how do you do."

I'm trying to understand this...Didn't he make a lot of money from this old material? Isn't that why he got to throw tantrums (like St. Louis) and have the tour continue, because EVERYONE was making bejamins? Yeah the business waters are full of sharks and one company gets gobbled by another, that's just a fact, and an uncontrollable one...that's why when you sign a contract, you, the artist are taking a risk?   ???Right? Because maybe the company you signed with initially gets gobbled up by Universal...I can understand being pissed, but I don't see how intentionally breaking your contract is any kind of rational, adult solution...how do two wrongs make a right?  

"Given that scenario, from both an artists viewpoint, and a buisnessman's viewpoint, I'm not surprised he'd be reluctant to hand over any NEW material for them to later do the same thing with.? I wouldn't characterize him being pissed off as any sort of immature tantrum.? I'd characterize it as justified anger at being screwed by a greedy label with no integrity."

Okay, so in other words,  Axl  would be reluctant to give UM any new music because they could basically choose to lock it up in a vault and sit on it for 100 years? Okay I understand being reluctant about that, but if he's under contract...I guess what I'm not getting is SO WHAT if they release a GH album, if it doesn't sell, no one makes any money, the business writes it off as a loss, and from an artist perspective, wouldn't Axl have the "upper hand" to some extent --because if we boycott the GH album, aren't the businessmen (UM) going to want to release this new material and not sit on it for 100 years even though they have the option ...because the real bottom line is MONEY (for both artist and musician)?

Oh, where is Dr. Seuss when you need him (LOL)
Thanks Pilkerk (SP?) for trying to explain...have a nice weekend.

Let me try to be a bit more clear....I'll probably fail miserably, but I'm going to try.

"I'm trying to understand this...Didn't he make a lot of money from this old material? Isn't that why he got to throw tantrums (like St. Louis) and have the tour continue, because EVERYONE was making bejamins? Yeah the business waters are full of sharks and one company gets gobbled by another, that's just a fact, and an uncontrollable one...that's why when you sign a contract, you, the artist are taking a risk?  Right? Because maybe the company you signed with initially gets gobbled up by Universal...I can understand being pissed, but I don't see how intentionally breaking your contract is any kind of rational, adult solution...how do two wrongs make a right?  "

I'm assuming here, so bear with me.  By using the GH material without Axl's permission, I daresay he thinks Universal has breeched the contract, already.  Therefore, he wouldn't think withholding CD (as in allowing them to release the new material) from the label breeches the contract (you can't breech a contract "more").  Remember, a contract, once breeched by ANY party involved, is no longer valid.  So, with contracts, yes...two wrongs make a right, sorta.  That's one scenario.  The other, and other artists have done it when angry at their label, is to intentionally breech the contract and allow it to go to court, because you feel the label has acted "in bad faith".  That means, while they may not have technically violated the contract, they may have violated it's intent/spirit, or just done something to completely piss off the artist.  

"Okay, so in other words,  Axl  would be reluctant to give UM any new music because they could basically choose to lock it up in a vault and sit on it for 100 years? Okay I understand being reluctant about that, but if he's under contract...I guess what I'm not getting is SO WHAT if they release a GH album, if it doesn't sell, no one makes any money, the business writes it off as a loss, and from an artist perspective, wouldn't Axl have the "upper hand" to some extent --because if we boycott the GH album, aren't the businessmen (UM) going to want to release this new material and not sit on it for 100 years even though they have the option ...because the real bottom line is MONEY (for both artist and musician)?"

I don't think he'd be worried about them vaulting it.  I think he'd be worried that, by giving them the material, they'd do the same sort of thing with it, later, that they're doing with the material being used for the GH CD...use it without his express input or control.  Knowing that they're (in Axl's opinion...remember, I'm speculating here) "slimey" enough to do an end around once might make him "gunshy" about handing over new material, in case the same sort of situation arose again.

Does that make my point a little clearer?

I think that noonespecial and pilferk have some very well-thought-out views that make a lot of sense, as to what may or may not be going on behind the scenes.


I guess things could be pretty fucked-up for Axl right now. :-[


I will say this much, if they think that they're gonna' have an easy time fucking a guy like Axl over, they're out of their minds man.


'Cause Axl won't fukkin' budge one inch if he thinks someone's trying to fuck him. :rant:

Who gives a fuck if the band hasn't asked for our support?  Axl could be all for releasing the fucking thing for all I care, but do you really want a Greatest Hits being released by Guns N' Roses at this point? WTF is this, Aerosmith?

I sent an e-mail because I don't want a Greatest Hits released by Guns N' Roses, especially one with a shitty ass tracklisting.  I don't think that this anything to do with whether or not you "believe in Mysteron" or whether "the band or a rep. has asked for our support".... We KNOW that the Greatest Hits is planned to be released.  The issue is whether or not you want a Greatest Hits CD from GN'R.

Ok, so you don't believe in Mysteron, so find another way to express your concern for the Greatest Hits.  I think he's got some credibility so I used the e-mail he provided.

Shit! I've been out of town for a couple of days and now I'm back with this!! I haven't read every post because is 2:30 am here and have to go to bed, but as a fan I'm just going to say that this is very dissapointing ( I guess I concur with everybody here) and GNR should call it quitts  then if they are releasing a greatest hits album. If Universal wants to make some money, I think they should release other shit cause GNR greatest hits ( shit setlist) will sell less than Live era.

This is so fucking bizarre!!!! Only in GNR folks. A fucking Greatest hits album 10 years after last studio album and 7 years after Axl sent that fax to MTV announcing everybody had left or had been sacked. I can't believe this!!

Anyway, maybe we have another twist to the never ending GNR story.

I was in my local Best Buy today. They just redid and reorganized the music section. Everytime i go in, I go past the GNR section. Today I noticed there was the row full of Old Records and right next to it was an empty row (6 high with enough room for 6 cds per shelf)full of GNR tags (you know the cards going behind the cds). So either something is coming out or someone is playing a prank on me, but then again its best buy with 100 employees and im pretty sure someone would notice all the cds being condensed to make a new row for GNR.

Oh!!!!! [wave]

Me, me, me!!!!! [bow]

I'm in a betting mood conny!!!!! :yes:

thats strange...  ???

It's very strange erose. :confused:

Go read the new topic i just posted man and tell me what you think please. :smoking:

I would think GN'R fans might look like clowns if they sent out mass e-mails written by the likes of younggunner.  However, Mysteron asked everyone to write a simple e-mail to Mr. Cohen to express our disinterest in having a GH released, but in a professional way, not in a "bombard him with as many e-mails as possible" way or anything.

I am not a big fan of Greatest Hits albums, and in GN'Rs case I don't think it would be a good release.  I don't see how it makes me a "clown" to express this to someone @ Universal.

Besides, from past experience I've found that Jarmo usually covers up e-mail addresses that are posted unreasonably, which would lead me to believe that he trusts that Mysteron has posted an accurate address to express our complaints to.  If indeed he is in on a "ploy" to make us think that the GH is NOT CD, than I'll be happy to be suckered in by it.

I bet Axl and Guns N' Roses will stop this  Greatest Hits album before it comes out and no one will ever see it.  : ok:  

I bet you're right. :yes:


But, ummmmmmm.............................                    
                                                                                               


How? ???

This only tells me that CD is no where in sight!!! :rant: If the new CD was done or was very close to being done the Record Company wouldnt even bother with the thought of releasing a GH album! They are tired of fucking with MR. Rose and I dont blame them!! They have gave him $$millions$$ and 5/6 years to finish this new album and he still isnt going anywhere with it!

I respect what you're saying, but you're being a little dramatic about things. I have not mentioned spamming, and as long as people are expressing themselves in an adult manner, then there is no panic being caused

The fact is, Sanctuary/Axl do not want the greatest hits, whereas Universal do. So all I am doing in effect is adding some weight to one side of the argument. I just want Universal to see what the fans are saying

Mysteron I know you are probably sick to death of being asked this,but could management give us some sort of timeline in regards to something OFFICIAL being said,whether it be about the bands unhappieness in regards to the gh release or confirming the Lisbon gig,anything at all?

Cause Im getting sick of this fiasco that we call GnR maybe this gh is a good idea and will give a good kick where its needed to certain people,and maybe push the release of cd?

The Father

yes, i agree with Irish Fecker. does the management even know what they are doing?? if there was a tour being planned surely more dates would've been announced by now, and not just the RIR festival. is there even a cd in the works? everything i thought was suppose to happen regarding chinese democracy didn't happen at all. i think i'm not the only one questining Axl's motives by now. common' a tour with no cd, 3 years doing a few shows and nothing. there isn't a word from Axl, there isn't a word from the band. this sounds really bad. and bottom line i think this rir 2001 all over again. wich means same old set list, nothing new, no cd, no nothing.

the question is. IS There a cd? and if so, are they even planning on releasing it? i'm a die hard Axl fan. but this is getting too much. if there's no band and no cd, then just say it and let us get over with it.

Well, I can't doing anything unfortunately

But if you look at things logically, if gnr are going to be touring this summer, and releasing an album...then it will have to be announced quite soon - late March/early April latest.....so time will answer your question anyway

I was "talking" to (emailing, actually) a friend of mine about GH, and she presented a scenario I had not thought about.  In her opinion (and it's well founded), GH does not necessarily mean CD is nowhere in sight.  In fact, it could well mean, in the labels opinion, quite the opposite.  The label could be releasing the GH CD so that the "new fans" garnered by Chinese Democracy, have a "one stop" item to pick up to sample the best (keep in mind, by best, they mean best selling/most popular in the mainstream, etc) of the GnR catalog.  That's a scenario I hadn't thought of, myself.  Of course, it doesn't touch the fact that the band is not "approving" the release, which is one of my major bones of contention, but it certainly is an interesting tidbit to consider.

I'm not necessarily against the Greatest Hits album in principle, and I don't think it's a -major- issue with gnr. In reality, most bands have lots of official and unofficial greatest hits albums, and maybe it's not a bad thing

However, it has provoked a disagreement, which is not desirable, and I think it's a good thing that the fans be heard

However, we need to keep a sense of perspective on this though. It's a little fish in a big pond

Mysteron,
    Oh, I agree with you.  The only reasons I posted my comments were:

a) no one, on either side, has mentioned that scenario.

and

b) Most people think the GH CD is absolutely a BAD sign (me included, until she sent me that email) for CD.

I thought it would be an interesting point to add to the discussion, all things considered.  I mean, if you think about it from an industry/biz point of view, it does sorta make sense.

Personally, I don't really want a GH product with no input from the band.  And I certainly don't want a product that's going to cause ill-will or discord to develop between the label and the band...that's not good for anybody.

You're being too intense  :peace:

This is a small-scale expression of feeling on a minor problem in a very big world. If gnr want a bigger style campaign, then they'll ask for it themselves

oooooo, very good, mine was a bit more simple, but hey!

You're right, I was in a bad mood. In addition to that, I haven't been online, so I haven't been able to reply.

I read the thread through (before I posted, what I did) and the thing was: All you seemed to have to say, was that "Why should I do shit, all they do is take your money. They don't care about us". That's okay, if you post it once... But you seemed to have multiple replies just like that. In a bit different ways, but the only idea, or the plot you had in your posts was the above. The reason I posted that was because you kept saying the same thing over and over again instead of trying to reply to other people and discuss the points they made. I know I prolly should've said "don't post" instead of "shut up", but like I said, I was in a bad mood.

And why would you get banned for something like that...? You won't. You have to do a lot worse than that to get banned (at least according to my experience). Especially since my post wasn't exactly friendly.

Greatest Hits artwork:

(http://www.musictap.net/Graphics/JPGsGifs/MiniCDCovers/Feb04/GunsNRosesGreatestHitsCD.jpg)

Hmm, looks like the site that graphic is from is also reporting the greatest hits:
http://www.musictap.net

It is a pretty nice cover though. Too bad the tracklist looks like shit.

You know, if they just took out Since I Don't Have You and put in Estranged, I could live with it. I do like the cover-nice and simple. :beer: Happy hour is upon us.

I cannot believe Estranged, a helluva lotta gunners fave song, is not on there, plain stupidity! It should end with Estranged, with NO SIDHY, SFTD and AIF.

These people are way out of touch with the fans.

I posed this on an online pitition I came across:

As a Loyal fan of the band since its begining , I feel that it would be a disservice to fans who have over the years been anticipated a new record named Chinese Democracy.
I support the new band s line-up and look forward to heaing their musical contributions. I see no point rehashing material from the former bandmates epecially since I own all previosly released material. And whats worse the tracklist does not in my opionion constitute GNR's Greatest. IF it was a better comlilation with maybe just a few new things or unreleased tracks, it may appeal more but as it stands for me, I will just let it sit on the shelves of my local record dealer and wait patiently for what I and many fans really want , the long awaited release of new material in the form of Chinese Democracy.




This is the link:


http://www.ipetitions.com/campaigns/chinesedemocracy/

One of my fave bands TNT (www.tnttheband.com) did exactly this. Last year they released a GH album and toured a few countries on that release. But they sneaked in a lot of new songs and made it clear that a new album release would be out soon. They have now announced that album and will be touring this year as well. All apart of the comeback plan they had in mind.

But with GNR, it doesnt make sense. Especially with that track listing.

Looks like it's coming out after all...

I do like the cover though...

this is stoopid.

Axl gained full control of GNR and has now relinquished virtually all control of it due to his inability to make.....MUSIC.

I thought GNR was about MUSIC.

No covers should be on the GH album either

Actually he could've done some covers at least  at himself (GNR I mean). I suggest almost all of their songs are the best so what's the point of making "Greatest Hits"? I wish him to release "Chinese D" but seems like he's not in a hurry to make it and is afraid to lose us (his fans) so feeds us with "Hits".

I rather see Appettite 2000 being released.

I think Mysteron and Darth Bowie need to have a little chat...

Who is right? who is wrong?  is there even a right or wrong anymore  :-\

Mysteron, here's something that just strikes me a bit odd:

The other day when you began this thread, you expressed a fear of the ramifications a GH might possibly have on the release of CD.  You questioned why Universal would continue with this charade, and you politely inquired as to whether any of us would lend a hand in letting Universal know how a GH might be viewed by the GNR fanbase...Accepted

After a few days, it's pretty evident that you've taken a more relaxed stance towards GHcalling it, in fact, a "small fish in a big pond" and a "small problem in a big world."  My question is, what info or reassurances, if any, have you received in the past few days to indicate that a GH will not derail CD?  I have enough respect for your position not to inquire about the 8 week window, but something must've changed....

Joe

Well, I'm just glad that those buggers decided to call this bloody cd 'Greatest hits', not 'Best of'.   :-\

We've heard that Axl is raging over this GH. Has anyone heard from any (of sooo many) enshrouded insiders how the x-gunners feel about all this. Are Slash & co indifferent to the suffering of hardcore GN'R fans and just focusing on cloaking and/or burning Scott's drugs?
I mean, how is good ol' Steven feeling? He must be vexed that there are only 3 ADF songs on the tracklist. It surely seems to me that GH is only released to ruin his masterplan for Adler's Appetide.
Or for that matter is Paul Huge still thrilled to hear himself annoying Slash in SFTD?

Skili??  :confused:

Can everyone please stop harping on what mysteron says. Its only making it worse. Just take whatver he is saying with a grain of salt. He hasnt provided anything to anyone and you all think he is the king. Maybe he has some contacts with people that are sorta involved with the band or just industry people in general but obivioulsy he doesnt know much.

I dont mean to be a dick, hes a nice guy and i like the street team thing, but other than that ease off. Im sick and tired of people throwing out information that just makes things worse. And for the most part what he says is the obvious.

Im also sick n tired of people trying to put a positive spin on this gh release. In the long run it prob wont have much of an effect but intil then it does.
If the company is releasing a gh its probably because gnr havnt given cd to them yet. If thats not the case and they think a gh is a good promotional thing then I feel sorry for them, because they have no clue what they are doing.

I just want the company and gnr to egt on the same fukin page.
You can spin it all u want a gh cd although not the end of the world isnt a positive for this band.

I'm not looking for scripture Younggunner, I'm simply asking a fellow poster a question...We're all sick of false info, nothing new there.  It's time to accept the fact that they'll continue to be 2 or 3 new rumors a week until this thing either gets released or the band officially implodes.  Don't click on the threads.  I'm not necessarily agreeing with every bit of "inside info" that's being posted, but it provides a bit more intrigue for me personally than the other hypothetical semantics bickering that goes on.  If nothing Mysteron says turns out to be true, c'est la vie.  It was still a good ride.  If he is providing some sort of accurate info, that's fantastic too.  Either way, we'll know by June one way or another if we hear something or not.  I happen to agree with you that a GH can only be a bad omen though.

joe

My post wasnt directed towards you. just in general

And its not that i dont appreciate what mysteron attempts to do. Its just that what he is doing{even though its good} is kind of bad in the grand scheme of things

when no one buys it, Universal will know where everyone stands.

This is going to sound really stupid, but ill throw it out there anyway...

How bout we all buy 1 copy of the Greatest Hits cd. We take that copy throw it in one big pile and personally throw it on the doorsteps at universal.

Ill def. do that. Imagine like a thousand or more cds just tossed back at them.

I think that would have a lot more of an impact than no1 buying it. Because people will buy it. But if a mass amount of people buy it and threow it in their face maybe they will do something...

just a thought

once again it changes. Two weeks ago you said that you expected some news and not the gh. Now your s aying late march/early april. I've heard this before. Things change you will say. but what changed? It's become a never ending cycle. Yeah let's look at things logically shall we? Hmm... logically, you don't go on a mini-tour, and a cancelled north american tour without something to promote. with sayings like chinese democracy starts now. i don't think now means 3 and a half years later. How many more now's and soons or things change are we gonna hear.

u people are becoming derranged, chill out

u people act like a greatest hits is like a regular release

look there will be no fuckin singles, nothing like that

greatest hits will be on the charts for maybe 3 weeks if that then its gone

its a precursor for chinese democracy so fuckin jump up and down and celebrate

the greatest hits is a way to reintroduce gnr to the mass population

u people get a grip chinese democracy is fuckin comin and the greatest hits proves it!

Its not the end of the world, i undertsand that but how does a gh reintroduce or benefit this lineup? It has nothing to do with them. Gnr doesnt need an introduction. what they need is to release the single,video,album and go on tour. thats what they need to do.

look they have to do a greatest hits if not now later on

its best to get it out of the way before new gnr hits big that way the old doesnt take away from the new

right now the new hasnt done shit so the greatest hits wont take away from their success if they do a greatest hits after c.d. or the album after that it will detract from the new bands success

the album will disappear quickly without much attention and it wont matter anyway

i think if interscope was doing it for money they wouldve released it years ago

but like i said not everyone remembers guns n roses, a greatest hits would remind some people how awesome this band was and is and who knows the greatest hits may have new band versions of most if not all the songs

didnt tommy say they were rehearsing illusion stuff? maybe they recorded them and we will get the new bands appetite versions

look at the possibilities

if its new band versions of the old songs u damn right ill buy it

take 2

Oh my god I agree completely with youngunner....p.s are you sure you and ISOA arent one in the same cos you both spell the same words fyunny...whoops funny:)

As for Mysteron.....dunno dont care, just someone with no sources once again.  As Axe says a 'little person on a power trip', probably gets pushed around by his GF if he has ever had one, has no real life etc and gets to feel a sense of worth by assuming a mantle of anonymous respect from posters due to his 'inside knowledge' despite the fact that noone with inside knowledge would be so bored as to post 100's of (vague) posts in a dorky internet chatroom. Truly sad.

Anyway, it shouldnt be up to us to stop this. Axl has had MORE than enough time to release an album, either he releases it, therefore cancelling GH or he doesn't, in which case GNR is dead and the record company has every right to milk the fucker.

 Axl and his group are MUSICIANS and ARTISTS so they should let go of the ego and legal crap, the sooner they remember this the better. Any band that collectivly cant write and record an album that they feel confident in with the help of god knows how much money and producers in 5-8 yrs has to start facing some facts regarding there actual ability, versus pie in the sky dreams of delusions of grandeur.

My opinion is that Mysteron is a phony hack with a STOOOOPID hobby.  Whats the joy in blowing smoke up peoples' asses on an Internet forum?  I think I'd rather watch mold grow inside a toilet bowl.

Sorry people....just sick and tired of non-sourced rumors from people who think you should give credibility to what they say since they have X number of posts on here.  Weirdos have all different modes of operation....some hit hard and fast with the "20 Post Wonder" approach....and some draw it out real long...accumulate a good "reputation" on the board and then give little bits and pieces of bullshit...laying it on just light enough to keep everyone from writing them off as a phony.  

There are liars all over the Internet....have any of you guys ever checked out any other bands' fanboards?  This kinda shit happens all the time...its nothing unique to this forum.  Apparently, some "fans" of bands get some sort of perverse thrill from joining a forum and pretending that they have inside sources to the band.  I guess its their way to feel "closer" to their heroes, I don't know.  Or, as I said....they're just people who have a godawful talent for choosing hobbies.  

Go ahead, punk....lets here the "That time of the month?" comment already.   :hihi:

I very much stand by that. It's the only, and I mean only deal that makes sense. And that would toss like everything because if the GH CD is a way of the label to "check us out" and see just how big GNR is, it wont be a huge idea to boycott it. As I said earlier TNT did this as apart of their comeback tour and it worked really well. The only difference is that they toured with the GH CD released, while Axl did not.

If this is the case we need to take a way another approach, but rather promote the damn thing, even though the only thing the CD got going for itself is it's neat album cover.

I find it really, and I mean REALLY, stupid that some people come here and post bullshit about Mysteron.

The guy has been proven right more than 10 times.

That's not luck. It wasn't like the VMA's where everyone could predict that...

It was stuff that only he could come up with first.

I'm sure he doesn't need me to defend him. But I'd rather have Mysteron on this board than some bunch of "fans" who just write to bash other posters.

They're probably jealous because he has "real" info AG, instead of being like the imposters that come and post.  Hang in there Mysteron!

Now would everyone like to get back on the topic of the Greatest Hits cd or should we lock the thread?

Well, right now I'm burning my own Greatest Hits cd, just to get used to the tracklist...

Good luck with that  ;D

Why get it out of the way now when you can release a monster gh cd down the road.
The cd would consist of all the old classics with whatver new classics there are. It could be a double cd. Insstead you want a shitty tracklist representing gnr best material?

Again, im sure its not the end of the world but i think it would have been better if they held it back. Its just gonna bring more negativity towards gnr from the media.  If the new material is great then it wont matter but its ashame cause i want people to see how talented this band is.

Whatver. you can all go put a positive spin on a gh release but im not. its gay. no point. i rather wait another 5 years for cd then have a gh release.

Don't know if this has already been mentioned, but as far as I know GN'T (meaning the old band) still owes Universal a Greatest Hits album. So it makes sense to put it out now instead of waiting until CD is released, right?

Mysteron, anyone, can you confirm this?


/lastroots

there are 5 cover songs on this GH; FIVE!

no offense but that's kinda pathetic. i'm as big a fan as any but we need some new music not this mess.

I've given you some food for thought, and a person to air your views to. It's not a cause for hysteria though. Some people are a bit too hyper

Firstly, I do normally provide proof or a source

Secondly, your opinions are fine, but please post them in the right area

there is no reason to insult mysteron. He's given us some valuable information and best of all hope. I don't in any way promulgate overrelying on his or any unofficial information; i think we should all welcome his role here but keep one foot in reality as well.

Also, we cannot run to him for every rumor b/c if he does indeed have sources within gnr, going to the well too many times may dry it up. let mysteron find out what he does in his own time.

With all the covers and most of there  hit singles....i think it would make more sence calling it Singles or something.....there cover songs were hit singles so it makes more sence to me.. :beer:
But the timing sucks.........Give me CD.. : ok:

So i am guessing that everyone who is moaning about there being so many covers - potentially - on a GH.  Have all seen GNR live many times and actually stand still during LALD and HD??

The fact is GN'R  made these songs their own, LALD is far superior than The Wings version.  And even non GNR fans -as such- remember their version of Heavens door and sing along in Axl's style.  I have seen it myself in a few pubs.

Some bands make the cover versions  their own and GN'R have always done that  really well in my opinion.

And having seen GN'R perform LALD + HD live with my own eyes and ears, they are part of the whole GN'R Set list and vibe to-date.  

If they weren't listed to be on there, you would be moaning as to how these could have been left off....bo' selecta !

And Sympathy for the devil was the last Slash, Axl, Duff release. So how could that be left off really? it's a part of their history.

To all the members of this board:  If you have all the songs on the new Greatest Hits album, DON"T BUY IT!!!!!  There is no need to waste money on this CD if you already own all the songs.  The only CD from GNR I will be buying (and this remains to be seen) is Chinese Democracy.

Yeh and that is your freedom of choice. But surely you can't tell people what to do?  What difference does it make to you?  Isn't it the case with all GH's, that they are a profile of the artists singles history.  The songs are already available but people like buying GH they sell loads.  For those of you thinking its going to delay CD in ANY way are wrong. Because i'm sure the record copmany will release CD as soon as they can,  It's all down to one man and he has said waiting for Jesus was a better option...  

That's true...And if there isn't gonna be anything "bonus" on that GHcd...nobody who has GNR cds won't buy it..no one..

Think about it !! GH will be HUGE flop  :rofl:

Yeah, when they can't even get the fans to buy it, who else is gonna go out to buy it?

I don't think people who aren't fans will run to the stores to buy it....



/jarmo

I will not buy it at Best Buy
I will not buy it, Geffen guy!
I will not buy it for my wife
I will not buy it all my life!

I do not want the Greatest Hits!
For it will throw me into fits.
I want the brand-new Guns CD!
Please, Geffen guy, give it to me!

I will not listen in my car
I will not listen at a bar
I will not listen in a truck
I will not listen with a duck.

Your Greatest Hits is not for me.
What I want is the new CD!
Please reconsider this poor plan.
I don't want GH, Geffen man!



Oh well, if we find out that poor GH sales could hurt CD release, then I may reconsider.
But that's the only way.

/Mike

I might consider buying it just to hear the remastered Appetite and Lies songs.

Just thought of something I don't think anyone has mentioned.

Why would Sympathy for the Devil be on this album and not Oh My God?

Both were insignificant movie soundtrack blips on the mainstream music radar.

One reason that Oh My God is not included is because it was recorded after the original band disintegrated.  That is,  this album truly is a "goodbye to the past" rather than a "goodbye forever."    This could be something to take comfort in.

i ain't got a problem with a greatest hits cd.

i think its a great idea becasue it'll help to introduce GN'Rs to the younger audience and build-up more ground base for Chinese Democracy.

plus, to me it seems like closure to the old GN'R.

just a shame it ain't like U2's greatests hits like 87' - 93' kinda thing.

This is on a slightly side note, but I found it randomly and it seems quite appropriate at this time:

This is from 1999, just as the live "Greastest Hits" Guns CD was released:

Some fans, who've been waiting six years for new material from the popular
Los Angeles rock band, said they'd be happy with anything from the group at
this point. "I'm just excited about the fact that they'll release a live
album and haven't been thinking about the song selection that much,"
Swedish fan Jarmo Luukkonen, 24, wrote in an e-mail.

The webmaster of the unofficial Guns N' Roses site "Here Today ... Gone To
Hell!" said he's been waiting for something new since 1993, so he's used to
the suspense. "It'll be pretty cool to actually be able to go and buy a new
GNR album. Haven't done that in a while," he wrote

If the tracklist was the same as this one you'd probably be thinking about it a bit more  :rofl:

From http://gnr.nu/news/1999/z_007.html (http://gnr.nu/news/1999/z_007.html)

I agree that we need new stuff..

But the covers on the GH are fine IMO.. GNR made these songs their own, lots of people now associate KOHD with GNR and not Bob Dylan.. (old) GNR played covers from their first days to their last.. it was part of their thing.. they enjoyed the covers and had good success so that should be represented on the GH.

We wont talk about Since I Dont Have You and Sympathy .. Devil tho  :crying:

[godlessamerica quote]

One reason that Oh My God is not included is because it was recorded after the original band disintegrated.  That is,  this album truly is a "goodbye to the past" rather than a "goodbye forever."    This could be something to take comfort in

******

Now THAT is funny!  Only a GnR fan would consider a song from 1999 to NOT be a part of "the past."

 :hihi:

haha, brilliant! :hihi: : ok:

NME have the GH album as one of their main online news stories too now.

GUNS N' ROSES IN ALBUM RELEASE SHOCK

http://www.nme.com/news/107530.htm

Also that NME story originated from a site here in Australia where its claimed Universal has confirmed the release date in April to them

http://www.undercover.com.au/news/2004/feb2004/20040216_gnr.html

Are we actually to believe that late summer-early fall is the word now?  Ever closer to psychosis.

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Ha Ha! That was great! I needed a good laugh, man. Thank you. ;D

Folks, let's be honest here. This might be the last release we'll ever get to seen on GnR! We're waiting since 1993, that's 11 years !?! Let's pretend this album is the closure of a career that actually ended in 1993. Let's all look forward to the release of the album by Velvet Revolver, with Slash, Duff, Matt en Scott Weiland on vocals! The new rock sensation!!!!!!!! And as for Axl, keep on working on that album dude, we'll see the release of it probably somewhere in 2027!

Guns 'n' Roses Fans Protest Greatest Hits

 A segment of Guns 'n' Roses fans are ropable over the decision by Universal Music to issue a G'n'R greatest hits album without, what they say is, the approval of Axl Rose.

The Rose and Roses fans have started a petition, protesting the release of the album, claiming the songlist is simply not strong enough and that it contains no new material.

The up-in-arms fans also seem to be clinging to the illusion that the forever forthcoming Chinese Democracy album will one day surface, despite five years of false hopes from Axl Rose himself.

According to posts in the online forum discussing the disgust of a G'n'R greatest hits package, fans also seem to be under the impression that Universal is responsible for holding up 'Chinese Democracy' even though the label had the album publicly listed on their release schedule as far back as September, 1999 and had to withdraw the release when Axl Rose failed to deliver the master.

Read fans have their say on the release at http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?board=2;action=display;threadid=10236

The Guns 'n' Roses 'Greatest Hits' album will be released in Australia in April.

The tracklisting is:

1. Welcome To The Jungle (from Appetite for Destruction, 1987)
2. Live And Let Die (from Use Your Illusion 1, 1991)
3. Knockin' On Heaven's Door (from Use Your Illusion 2, 1991)
4. Sweet Child Of Mine (from Appetite for Destruction, 1987)
5. November Rain (from Use Your Illusion 1, 1991)
6. Patience (from G 'n' R Lies, 1989)
7. Paradise City (from Appetite for Destruction, 1987)
8. Civil War (from Use Your Illusion 2, 1991)
9. You Could Be Mine (from Use Your Illusion 2, 1991)
10. Don't Cry (original) (from Use Your Illusion 1, 1991)
11. Yesterdays (from Use Your Illusion 2, 1991)
12. Ain't It Fun (from The Spaghetti Incident, 1993)
13. Since I Don't Have You (from The Spaghetti Incident, 1993)
14. Sympathy For The Devil (from soundtrack, Interview With A Vampire, 1995)


Undercover.au  : ok:

You know what I think? This album, tracklisting, artwork etc was signed off at some point in the 90's because so far the record company have only put out products which have been previously released in some form (the DVDs from the videos), so why are they putting out this "new" product without anything origianl? Well, I think this was all agreed some time ago before Oh My God came out, and therefore this has been lying somewhere ready to be released. Hense nothing post 1994. So if the record company got away with putting out the DVDs without Axl's permission, they can do the same here. It's hard to explain what I mean, but I think you might get it ;D

All i got to say is that the only reson i Dont agree with this album is because of no new tracks nor is their and unrelased old stuff with the old members like deoms or whatnot if thier was any of that stuff i would be all for it  : ok:

Does everyone know the "You Tell Us!" Section on MTV.com?

This section featured Guns N' Roses a bunch of times for the cancelled shows and what people thought of Buckethead.  It doesn't take too many people sending their opinions in to get the topic on there.  I think if everyone sent in what they thought of the Greatest Hits MTV would take notice and @ least post a news story on the issue.  It would create more awareness of the lack of interest in this CD coming out too.

This is the link: http://www.mtv.com/news/youtellus/

You just fill out the quick form at the bottom and write a paragraph or two about the Greatest Hits... and make the subject "Guns N' Roses - Greatest Hits" or something.


Edit - It really works.  There were two comment pages about the Buckethead article by Loder, and I got something I sent in posted on one.

Paul Cashmere seems to think he knows more than us about Guns N' Roses and what's been going on. Pisses me right off. Whenever I read something about Guns N Roses I see an armada of faults, fuck ups and misunderstandings. Talking about new GNR here by the way.

Compared to people like me, and I know thousands of others, they don't know squat. We've been sucking up just about everything there is to know. Sometimes I think we know more than the band members itself.

Axl have to wake up now. We're on a cliff here, ready to fall down and never come back up again.

I sent an email.  I am not convinced that Axl is against this album.  Who knows what Axl thinks about a Greatest Hits?  Better off what difference does it make?  I wouldn't blame Universal for the CD hold up.  They seem to release other artist's albums just fine.

Step one: recognizing the problem

Step two: discussing a resolution

Step three: telling these fucks, "STOP!"

We are the force here. They release albums so people can buy it. If we dont want to buy it, the why release it?

We are also the force when it comes down to Guns N' Roses. If we've had it with the whole deal, no one will come to the shows and no one will buy the CD.

We want the CD now, it's time. It deadline. Over, done with. Tired of waiting. Ready for it. That's the bottom line now.

For me personally, the first 6 months of this year will be crucial if about still feeling interested in backing this band up.

If nothing happens, then one buyer will be lost. Me. That's lost money you record company people. Wouldnt want that right? And I know Axl want to keep his fans for awhile longer. Prove it.

sorry if this has already been done but ive sent MTV News a note letting them know of our disgust and also posted a note in the kerrang forum letting them know whats going on maybe we all can find news and music sites and send them our views ie rolling stone nme metal hammer etc

>The Guns 'n' Roses 'Greatest Hits' album will be released in Australia in April.

Some CD shops information,
'Greatest Hits' album will be released in March 24 (in Japan).  :o

I have a google news alert on guns n roses, and last night it gave about three more sites saying that there would be a Greatest Hits (I'd post the sites, but I accidentally deleted the e-mail, and many of them have been posted already anyways).  I can't help but think that this is really coming out this time.   :no:

I see we have picked up a bit of press coverage

Little people with big voices  :hihi: :peace:

Axls a fuck up,

dont support anything untill he releases " something " whether it be info on the new CD, a release date, a single, a sound bite compilation, ANYTHING, at least something, untill then, fuck him and fuck the management!

i'm still confused tho!!

is this against axl's will or is it going to be realeased to promo cd.

why would universal fucking fuck with axl? could axl fuck universal back in any way if he wanted to?

wonder what slash, izzy, duff and those think of this release..

Nice to see it has made some noise online...

But how can the release be stopped once again for the second time in less than 6 months?? GN'R/ Sanctuary managed to stop it back in october 2003 but this time Geffen/ Universal seems to be 100% sure the album will hit stores. I don't think it's a good idea simply because it promotes the old band and the old songs, not the "new" line-up (which has been "new" for more than 4 years now...). No word from the GN'R camp nor Geffen/ Universal is very worrying...I've got the feeling there's a lot goin' on behind the scenes...

I know...pretty sad, aren't we?

I think greatest hits albums suck personally.. and i don't think im going to buy one of those from any band; definitely not GNR. and i am not going to post anything about it on my site either for what its worth.
i guess it can be good for a band, but now i think we need the new album, not a greatest hits disc!!!

GH are a great thing! I have hundreds of em, they save me a fortune! Why buy all the albums when u get the good stuff all in one place - thats the problem with this GH, the tracklist is a little suspect

Doesn't this album seem like a "fuck you" to most of the fans that still care about the band?

It would've been really easy to make this thing interesting for everybody. One regular cd for the masses, one double cd for the fans who already own all the cds.

There's not even one unreleased track on it.  :no:

Even Nirvana (another Universal band) got one unreleased track on theirs.



/jarmo

I visit this site several times a day for the past 3 years but never post.  I just want to say this GH is complete bullshit and they could'nt pay me to get that fuckin album.  Axl, I love you but get of your ass :rant: and get Chi-Dem out.

I e-mailed MTV, this is what I wrote.

Hello, I am a Guns N? Roses fan and have been ever since I could remember first listening to music.  Recently there has been something happening in the GNR world and that has been causing the fans to be in a huge uproar.  Apparently, there are several media sources that have said that there is going to be a CD release by Guns N? Roses, a Greatest Hits album.  We, GNR fans, do not want a Greatest Hits CD to be released.  There is already a greatest hits released by them in 1999.  The only CD that we want released is the infamous ?Chinese Democracy?.  We also want some information about this CD regarding if it is finished and when it will be released.  There has not been any press release about this album for years now.  We know that Chinese Democracy is there; all we are asking is some information about it.  I don?t think that is too much to ask, we have been patient for five years waiting for this album and we want it to be released rather than another Greatest Hits album.  Thank you for your time.

Sincerely,
   Paul David

What's with all the Chinese Democracy stuff it's not like MTV will know anything

I don't think Axl could retaliate in any way. Axl has a contract to complete. Universal has been waiting 13 years for a new studio album. They've been pouring money into this project all this time with absolutely nothing to show for it. Universal has every right to do what they are doing. It's just unfortunate they couldn't choose something that the fans would enjoy.

fuck universal,axl is god,greatest hits my arse,just another fucking con.

 what about the fans

is anybody there ???

http://www.roadrun.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=19301



/jarmo

It's about time the word is getting out! : ok:

 : ok:

Kinda cool to be "irate"!... We should keep ruffling feathers and try to get this story on Rolling Stone, MTV, and other biggies.

Jarmo's site is famous!

You'd think that if we'd made enough noise that major music news websites took notice then surely Universal would maybe take a hint...

Ok, Heres the deal... WHO CARES!!
If you are a fan of the "real" Guns n' Roses you already have all those songs already. Axl ruined the "real" Guns n' Roses.
Cant wait to hear the full Velvet Revolver album, what guns could have been if Axl wasnt an AssClown. Oh, and if you wanna here 2 other GNR "shoulda beens" go buy the 2 Slash's Snakepit albums!!

Fuck greatest hits, its not like they have 10 albums, they have 4, and lies is almost always under 10 bucks.... i dont see the point


also the tracklist sucks, where is Estranged and Coma?

The Greatest hits album is a commercial ramp up for publicity and is to put the band back into the spotlight. Don't forget that they are hitting a generation of pre-twenty potential fans that never has really experienced the music before. Die hard fans will want  "coma", the play list music programmers on rock stations want "knockin of heavens doewarrr (sic)" and other relatively commercially successful songs to reconnect to old fans (30-45 year old demographics). The Greatest hits remind the public of who they were. It will be a mild commercial success and the extra monies brought in will be used to promote the new album. If Chinese Democracy fails, and it may be a big commericial flop, they all (band included) still made money because they hedged their bets. The supposed controversy that Axl was not brought in on this project just gives more free publicity, like this news group for example

Make sense...?

I like GH albums myself.  Especially for bands that I like but don't love... or bands that I don't know much about but have heard good things through friends.  It gives me the opportunity to get their best work in one cd...just like Izzy said.  GH albums have gotten me interested in material from bands that I hadn't previously bought.  I've gone out and bought other releases after getting a GH from a band that I wasn't into before.  So...if this weren't a "new" GN'R, I could understand the thinking on this.  But, it's not the same band members.  What are casual fans or new fans going to think when they get a GH, get into it, and then find out...well, that's not even the same band.   :-\  

Hell, I'm not going to boycott it or try to stop it.  (Unless Mr. Rose himself gives us a directive not to.)  I know that I'm even going to end up buying the damn thing.  :hihi:   But, unreleased material would make this more palatable for us "hardcore" fans.

(I'm sure that all this has been stated already, but I haven't read through all the pages.)

I'm willing to sit back and let this GH album rot. Personally, dead air gives me more hope for a CD release this year than this animal poo. Let Matt the marketing exec think up a tracklist for a Limp Bizkit GH album in order to offset the losses from that band's latest disaster. leave Axl to his own demons....

We are doing a good job so far but we need more.  I think it is awesome that we are getting recognition for trying to petition the greatest hits.  See what we can do if we have something that means a lot to us.  Now, this is just the beginning for us, the GNR fans.  It looks like Axl is not making the decision about this, so lets take this matter into our own hands and do as much as we can.  I think we have done a lot already, but why stop there?  Everyone should tell their friends about it and have their friends talk about it and so on.  For the people who have friends that work for the entertainment industry or music business, start talking to them about it.  There are so many things that we can do.  Call your local radio stations and tell them about what is going on.  E-mail them.  Be persistent.  The sky is the limit.  

I know what everyone is thinking, Why should I?  Well, you are members at this web site because you are GNR fans and you care deeply about them and their music.  So why not try to do something about it.  Guns N' Roses has treated us so well with the incredible music that they have produced.  Just think of the upside of actually stopping the greatest hits or getting Axl to talk or getting some information from GNR world.  It would be so cool to look back and say, wow, look what we did.  

It is easy to sit back and bitch about what is going on with the greatest hits and everything.  The more attention to this matter the greater it will be and that is what we want.  Just think, how cool would it be to be mentioned on MTV.  I know that might be far-fetched, but its possible.  All I am asking for is for everyone to try, I mean its not like we are doing anything else, are we?  It doesn't cost anything.  If everyone took 5 minutes to e-mail MTV or whoever, it would create an uproar.  I know that I'm going to e-mail local DJ's and tell them what's going on.  

All right, I know that got kind of long but my point is we want people to know about the shit that they are trying to pull with the greatest hits and everything, so lets see what more stuff we can do.  It doesn't hurt to try.      

just say "I not gonna buy this album"

i would settle for a statement from axl about the status of the album....

I said it in October and I'll say it again.

If GH comes out, burn your own copies, I'm sure we all have these songs on our comps,  give them to all your friends and encourage them to do the same.  We don't need to pay for this album, and neither do our friends.

Whenever this issue comes up I think about "Get In The Ring", and Axl talking about rippen off the kids.

PS - To whoever is responsible for GH - Fuck You. (I said that in Oct. too)

I'll just give my opinion on the Greatest Hits and then I'll let you continue what you're doing.

I think that, if the Greatest Hits is realease, that means that Axl is ok to realease it. If he's not ok, it will not be realeased. Axl has enough power to make Geffen not putting it out.
I guess he prefers that a Greatest Hits comes out so he has time to finish his album without any "pressure" from Geffen.

If Axl says clearly that he does not want this album to be realeased, and Geffen realeases it, I'll help him. Here, we don't know. We have no clue.

Every band has at least one or two greatest hits. Why not GNR? I don't care about a Greatest Hits I have all the albums. But it'll be a cool CD for new fans who just like these songs.

About burning our own copy, everybody can do it, it's easy to download songs from kazaa or emule, but it's illegal. But everybody can do that.

In my opinion, this Greatest Hits is useless. Geffen is just bored that the new album don't come out and try to make some money realeasing dvds, greatest hits etc... and I think Axl just don't care. That is just my opinion, I repeat it.

About stopping it, it's not our problem I think. Now on this forum, as soon as Mysteron says something, a lot of people follow him and do what he wants (it's just what I feel when I read these lasts topics, no insult to anybody). I won't do anything to make you stop doing that, but I won't do anything to stop this Greatest Hits. I think that it will come out, and what you'll get is just some website talking about "GNR Fans trying to stop this albums to come out", some advertising (dunno if it's good or bad advertising) for htgth and that's it.

But well, I may be wrong, and if I'm wrong, too bad for me, and good job from you!

That was my opinion on this subject, now I shut up :-X :peace:

read what the dudes on the kerrang forum have to say about this.   http://ubb.kerrang.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=720173&page=1&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

man v guys have caused quite a stir :beer:...hopefully this negative press will put some pressure on GNR to release an update on CD
and the idea of the new band doing the CD is ridiculous (mentioned in another thread) cuz then axl would not be against it

Where did Axl say he was against it? I've never read that anywhere, could anybody tell me where it comes from please!

In my mind I alwasy pictured that the next GnR CD i went to the store to buy would be Chinese Democracy....Not this piece of shit....with songs ive been listening to for over 10 fucking years......This is fucking bullshit......but Ill still buy it just so i have a copy....to keep my collection up to date....but fuck id like to wipe my ass with this CD...I wonder what the Liner Notes will say.....

Mysteron said Axl didn't approve of it.

It was me

Billboard/Reuters now have the story; link as follows;

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=769&e=3&u=/nm/20040218/music_nm/music_guns_dc (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=769&e=3&u=/nm/20040218/music_nm/music_guns_dc)

NEW YORK (Billboard) - While work continues on Guns N' Roses' endlessly
delayed album "Chinese Democracy," Geffen Records has set a March 23
release date for "Greatest Hits," compiling 14 of the hard rock act's
best-known tracks.

The album boasts such favorites as "Welcome to the Jungle," "Sweet Child
O' Mine," "Patience," "Paradise City" and a cover of the Rolling Stones'
"Sympathy for the Devil" from the "Interview With a Vampire" soundtrack.

This is the third archival Guns N' Roses release since last fall, when
Geffen issued DVDs of the home videos "Welcome to the Videos" and the
two-volume "Use Your Illusion."

However, according to sources, the band did not give its consent for
"Greatest Hits" to move forward and may pursue legal action to block its
release.

The group, which revolves around sole original member Axl Rose,
will return to the live stage May 30 at the Rock in Rio-Lisbon festival
in Lisbon, Portugal. It will be GNR's first live appearance since a
disastrous 2002 comeback tour, which was canceled with 13 dates remaining.

As for "Chinese Democracy," it is unknown when the album will be
released. Bassist Tommy Stinson told Billboard.com last year that
finishing touches were being applied to the set before it would be sent
off for mixing.

Reuters/Billboard

Thanks!
Well, I don't really believe in Billboard news/rumours, but it's just my opinion. Everybody is free to believe this or not!
I was just wondering if the "Axl don't want this CD to come out" was speculations from fans or if we read it somewhere!
Thanks for the reply Kiedis and Mysteron! I let you continue your stuffs now!

I'm going to send it right away, hope he understands my English  :o I swear I'll try to improve it  ;)

I guess one of the sources is Mysterons statements here on the board... :)

beat me to it!!!  should be very interesting to see just how this plays out....I just hope this litigation gets resolved quickly, if it does go down.

Hello Everybody!
Here is my statement:Dear Mr. Cohen!

Can you cancell the Greatest Hits from Guns N Roses please?

For every hard and longtime GnR fan this would be a slap in their faces when the Album realy comes out.

We allready have a GH-album!

Look at Live Era isnt it a Greatest Hits-album too?

I can tell you that people want only their new stuff on Chinese Democracy at the moment.

How long should be wait again while sitting in the dark?

Everbody should do more for Chinese Democracy and the new GNR.

They really need better marketing!!!!!!

Chinese Democracy should have top priority!

I will only buy the new stuff from my favorite band especially Chinese Democracy.

Please think about i dont want to offend you but Gnr must have better marketing with their new stuff not with a album with oly old songs without somthing new.

Its all about the money isnt it?

Thats really bad and very sad.

I will not buy this crap!!!!!!!!!

I have heard that you get more e-mailes from people who think like me?

Please think about you know and i know that iam not the only one who thinks in this way at the moment about a Greatest Hits with only old stuff.

Who will buy this?

I dont want to offend anybody but this is really unnecassary:

I will not buy it,

only Chinese Democracy!!!

Have a nice day

Note:

If you want you can send me a reply how you can show me your sight of view.

Erik


...
I really hope that Mr. Cohen read all the protest mails we send.
I also hope that GnR or Axl himself say anything about this soon to the fans.
We need an explain.

Subj: Please STOP the GNR Greatest Hits Album.  
Date: 2/18/2004 8:40:57 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: Belewis19
To: david.cohen@umusic.com
CC: Belewis19
 


Dear Sir,

  Please stop the GNR Greatest Hits album.  First of all, it doesn't even have Estranged or Coma on it, so it's truly not their "greatest" hits anyway.  2nd of all, we GNR fans have the patience of Jobe...we've all been waiting almost 13 years for a new, original release.

  Please don't release this slap in the face to GNR fans the world over.  If it comes down to money...give us real hardcore fans a chance to pre-order Chinese Democracy, and once you feel you've made a nice amount of cash, drop Chinese Democracy!!!   If it's Axl's fault for holding onto it, make a goddamn statement in public!  The controversy alone will sell an extra 500,000 copies!!!  PLEASE!!!!!!!  Please scrap the Greatest Hits, and release Chinese Democracy!

Sincerely,
"a man in the 28 to 45 demographic with $$$ to burn!"  

Dear Mr David,

Could you please scrap the latest Gn'r release - Greatest Hits? Since Guns N' Roses actually is a new band now, (new formation, if you like) and everyone is hoping for the release of Chinese Democracy, why bring out a Greatest Hits package?

First of all it would be a slap in the face for the Guns N' Roses fans. We already have all the songs on the supposeble Greatest Hits and moreover it's old material. If we want to listen to Guns N' Roses Greatest Hits we listen to the Live Era cd. I thought that Live Era closed the chapter with the old band so why bring out a Greatest Hits type of thing and bring up the old stuff again?

With that beeing said, if a Greatest Hits cd release is inevitable, then fine. I will end up buying it anyways, but that's not the point I am trying to make. It is a slap in the face for Gn'r fans, espacially since I think that on the new Chinese Democracy album there will be awesome songs which should belong on a Greatest Hits package anyways. I'm pretty confident in Chinese Democracy and it is about damn time for the new songs to see the light of day. Not reviving the old.

Thank you for listening,

 - A Gn'R fan

I'd rather rub a cougar's rear end with sand paper, then to buy GNR Greatest Hits.

Yeah? Well I'd rather get chased by a sex crazed rhinocerus across flaming coals mixed with broken glass, with the "music" (and I use that term loosely) of "New Kids on the Block" blaring in the background ,than to buy the GnR Greatest Hits Album....so NYEH!    ;D

I'd rather buy Chinese Democracy.

AA.

1st of all....to think Axl did not have a say is nieve....

He unfortunately owns the rights to the band and would have a say..at least in regards to songs on the album...

Gn'R has NEVER released a greatest hits album...unlike every other band in the would...

The new GnR' sucks anyway..Buckethead...really this band is not GnR' without Slash and Dizzy...get a life people..

I SUPPORT the release and if they want to taint it with new crap...cause that is all the band is now..then I would enjoy laughiin at what Axl may consider good music...

In all fairness, you can't critice the track listing.  It is Greatest HITS, meaning HIT singles.  Greatest Hits are put out to sell and thus are made up of the biggest selling singles.  That is exactly what is present on this collection.

If this was a Best Of, I would agree that (without stating personal opinions) the track listing would not be preferable to many.  It isn't though, so citing a poor track listing isn't going to stop the release.

I would imagine that the reason for its release is due to Universal being owed albums.  I think that's why Live Era got released.  If Axl's not gonna finish Chinese Democracy, what do you expect?  In my opinion, the reason why it still hasn't been released after all this time is that Axl can simply not come up with something that compares to what has been put out previously.  Reason for that is there's no Izzy to write songs and no Slash to play guitar.  Have the new "members" of the band really proved themselves to be as innovative and brilliant as their predecessors prior to joining Guns N' Roses?  Why should we expect them to fill the void now?

Cheers,

Rob.

(http://mysite.freeserve.com/anarchywrksbest/GunsNRosesGreatestHitsCD.jpg)

 :D

This bullshit is unbelievable.

I wonder how many of you are saying you don't want this Greatest Hits CD because you will be FORCED to buy it to "keep your collection up to date"??  Grow some balls and don't give the record company your money for a CD which has songs you already own.

Fuck, comments like that almost make me want this CD to come out just to distance me from people that think like that ^.

That's what i wrote

Good morning/afternoon/evening,
 
 
A greatest hits at this point is just ridiculous. With 3 original albums this band doesn't deserve it.What this band deserves is a new album in stores!!!!
 
If GN'R can not delive and you decided to milk the cow before it's dead then fine but at least let the world know that Chinese democracy will not be released  anytime soon  or at all .
 
 
Thank you
 
sincerely
 
" somebody who's got a life outside of the GNR-forums"

I would have to say that he is very fortunate to have the rights to the Guns N' Roses name.  There wouldn't be this much publicity about a solo project.

 
What is Live Era?  Oh and by the way there have been bands that have not released a greatest hits album.  

 
thats your opinion but Dizzy is still in the band

Why are you even posting here?

 :confused:

Since when are "Aint It Fun," "Since I Dont Have You," "Civil War," and "Sympathy For The Devil" hits?

Aint it fun is just fucking out of place. Civil War was released as a B-side to You Could Be Mine. So that was a single. So are all the other ones. Sympathy was released as a single, and I think it should be on this piece of shit (that is what this album will now be referred to by me. Or for short POS).

I actually really like GNRs version of Sympathy. Being the last song, I think, recorded by Axl and Slash, makes it kind of special too. But that was a single. So was Since I dont have you.

I really do hate this POS.

Good call, along with the other abbreviations such as UYI and AFD, POS is perfect for this album.

This is not a Guns N Roses album, this is a universal/geffen album. Here for only one purpose..... to make money.

However curious I am, I refuse to buy this crappola. Christened now not GH, but POS

$%@#Muther

well, as you can see, the tracklist got something from all the albums. it's just that style record..we have many GH records from bands that are made that way, couple hits from every album and in time order. and Ain't it fun is one hell of a song, hit and I remember that it sold quite well paying regard to the lack of success of TSI

All released as singles throughout Europe.  Every single one of them.  All went into the top ten in UK, with the exception of Civil War, which peaked at #11.

Rob.

I'm guessing the original poster is referring to Izzy, rather than Dizzy.  Can't see too many people protesting about Dizzy leaving the band (not that he has) over Izzy, Duff or even Matt, Steven or Gilby.

Izzy and Slash were critical to the band's continuing.  I'd love to see anyone prove this otherwise.  Maybe Axl could if he put out Chinese Democracy and by some miracle it proved to be on a par with AFD and UYI, but somehow... I think this will never happen.

Cheers,

Rob.

 I'm very glad people feel the same way as me about the Greatest Hits. We should definitly protest it. It IS weak, offering what I would say were a poor selection of tracks, and more to the point it is yet again an exercise in pointless nostalgia for the moron masses. It packages GNR neatly in a bracket for Supermarket music buyers, offering them the chance to say 'hey look I've always loved Sweet Child' while in noway aiding the band. All the material is out there already- who are they selling too? If you want any track here seek out the album. All this pointless repackaging does is suceed in making people convinced the band is over, or past their best. I loath the idea of this Greatest Hits. GNR have been so inspiring and enjoyable to me over the years, I hate to see them sold out in such a way, particularly if the band have had no say in the album. Come on Axl. Stop this. We're all awaiting the NEW album and I'm sure I speak for the majority when I say that I believe it will be everything we could want.
 

Here is my email:
Dear Mr. Cohen,
I would like to add my voice to those who have spoken against the
release of the GNR greatest hits album. After looking at the set list,
I've come to the conclusion that this album has nothing to offer me. I
own every one of these songs on prior GNR releases. There would be no
reason for me to purchase this album.
The only album GNR fans are really interested in is Chinese Democracy.
We don't know when or if that will ever come to fruition, but releasing
a greatest hits album with the track list I've seen would be a disaster.
I know I wouldn't spend any of my hard earned cash on it and I wager
most other GNR fans are in the same boat.
There is also a rumor that this album doesn't have Axl Rose's approval.
I don't understand how this can be, but GNR fans are typically very
loyal to Mr. Rose. If he doesn't come out and say "this is a good thing
that I approve of," chances are most fans ? including myself ? will not
purchase the album.
Thank you for your time,
Respectfully,
David Anderson
Richfield, Utah

no Estranged, how can it be a greatest hits CD, also 4 covers

Why?

Simple solution: don't buy the album! Record companies do this all the time with artists who never have to conform with the artists first.

I couldn't really care if it didn't pass Axl first who is just an egotistical control freak. It deserves him right for leaving CD so damn long. It is likely he will have one of his little tantrums, stamp his feet and jump up and down, but I don't give a fuck I'll just sit back and laugh at the idiot.

He may be egotistical.  He may be a control freak, but he is not an idiot.  Irrational and insecure maybe, but an idiot? No.

Five brotha.

owww crap!!

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0001KIESE/ref

http://eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=275873

http://eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=275918

i want to buy it coz i own all the GnR cd's and bootlegs i can get... i want to read the liner notes and see what its all about...  I have balls dude..

and if you are grasping to the release of a CD "to distance yourself"  from someone on the internet you never met your more of a douche bag than your post lets on.... you really ought to get out more...

STOP THE NAME CALLING RIGHT NOW.

Please keep the peace people, and stay on topic

Oneway --> In response to your query, there are no hard and fast answers to anything at the moment....but one thing to possibly think about is that management tried to stop the recent DVD's and failed, and there has been no repercussions fromt that to date, so while on the one hand it is an annoyance that Universal are pursuing this Greatest Hits nonsense, I don't think there is any need to assume gnr's world is going to end tomorrow because of it. Just because the ground shakes sometimes, doesn't mean the world has to stop spinning

We got a mention on my local rock station (106.9 WCCC) last night during the music minute (HTGTH got one too).  I sent the links to the story to one of the jocks I talk to regularly, and last night one of the other jocks talked about GH, the protest, and Axl possibly suing.  Not sure that I had anything to do with that, since it looks like the story is making the rounds of the major music media outlets....

Mysteron....sometimes in the world of GNR the ground shakes, causing the world to spin off it Ax(is)L and derail itself... :hihi: thanks for the prompt response...I'm voluntarily choosing to be deceived into maintaining my faith....

cheers

I'm a cynic. I feel that they know we are waiting for the new album. They are just toying with us, thinking we'll buy ANYTHING! Throw a dog a bone he'll bite, they just want our fuckin money. I'm not buying it. I already, like all of you, have all these songs already. BUT I will buy it ONLY AFTER Chinese Democracy comes out. I'm behind Axl, if he wants to sue them, be my guest.  :peace:

Now there's an idea. Protest against the greatest hits by not buying it. We already have all the songs and the label just wanna make money outta us.

If you want to protest it but really want to own all official releases, buy it after CD comes out.

@#$%Muther

Just had a scary thought though.

The "insiders" told us to keep our eyes open during the next weeks.

And what appeared? A Greatest Hits CD.

Maybe they just took the "signals" wrong and this is seriously what was in their plans.

FORGET bout "US" !
WE already have all the albums, so WE will buy this shit just becouse of the ART inside... but they are thinking in the people who knows just the gnr hits, and THAT?S NOT US!!
so, a lot of people will buy it, of course... not US , get it?  :peace:

From my side, that's exactly true.  The person I talk to (and the one who paged me when she got the PR) was hearing rumblings that a PR (with nothing more specific than that) was about to be released from Geffen in regards to GnR. She heard this in late January, and that the PR would hit "soon".  We both assumed (since this was before the GH rumblings began) that it had to do with CD.  We were both wrong.  The PR released today, from what she's hearing, is exactly the PR that was being talked about.  So, for me, this was exactly what I had heard was in the pipline.  Wish I had better news than that...

Someone, in an earlier thread, asked me straight out, when the GH rumors started, if that was what we were hearing about and I acknowledged the possibility that it was.  I can now say, without hesitation, that, unfortunately, it is.
:(


Edit: Oh, and I'm not an "insider" by any means...not that you were necessarily reffering to me.  I have friends in music retail, as well as in the radio world, due to a previous employer.

Maybe it's time to lock this thread now when Geffen have released the press release?  :hihi:

I didnt have you in mind, but I did know you had certain "contacts".

But I guess this means our own little "machinery" is working very well. We knew something was coming and we've known it for quite some time now. I dont think Axl got news about this earlier than we did.  

Everyone just asumed it was Chinese Democracy, and not this crappy thing.

If this goes for the more "powerfull" insiders I dont know, but from my point of view, it certainly makes a lot of sense.

I also think it's funny how Johan posted a thread about it and got bashed out of the galaxy for it.

If Axl does sue Geffen, maybe we won't have to.

I was just looking over the track listing again...FIVE covers?  That's way too much for a greatest hits, especially for GN'R, who have so many great original songs.  I think Guns are not a band suited for a greatest hits...the original albums are so strong.  And many of their hits were ballads...too many ballads can weigh down an album, as they might with a greatest hits.

let's stop this fucker before it destroys gnr .what kind of bastered would do this ???

you its kinda funny the amount of publicity we are generating for GNR...and still those fuckers don care bout giving us an official update!! :no:

Guns N' Lawsuit?

by Josh Grossberg
Feb 18, 2004, 1:30 PM PT



As Guns N' Roses continues to toil in the studio on the forever-awaited comeback album Chinese Democracy, Geffen Records has announced plans to release a Greatest Hits compilation featuring 14 of the head-banging band's classic tunes on March 23.

Apparently, such news hasn't gone over too well with frontman Axl Rose, who controls the band.

 
Sources tell Billboard that Guns N' Roses is considering suing the label to block the distribution of Greatest Hits package, claiming Geffen never obtained permission to release the collection.

The album would contain tracks from the band's late-'80s/early-'90s heyday, including as "Welcome to the Jungle," "Sweet Child O' Mine," "Paradise City," "Patience" and a cover of the Rolling Stones' "Sympathy for the Devil" from the Interview with a Vampire soundtrack.

Calls to the group's rep and Geffen were not immediately returned.

Rose, whose appetite for perfection has led to multiple postponements of Chinese Democracy, the band's first studio album in over a decade, isn't the only upset by the pending best-of CD.

A group of fans is going to great lengths to persuade Universal Music Group, which owns Geffen, not to put out the Greatest Hits. The disgruntled fans have launched an online petition at heretodaygonetohell.com expressing dismay with the song selection ("there are stronger tracks in their catalog that are not included") and arguing that such a release could cannibalize sales of Chinese Democracy.

This isn't the first time Geffen's cobbled together a "new" Guns N' Roses release in recent years. To keep interest in the band from waning, the label has plundered the GNR archives compiling material from the previously released home videos Welcome to the Videos and the two-volume Use Your Illusion for two DVDs.

Rose, the lone original member remaining in the lineup, has struggled to keep the group alive, hiring a bunch of new sidemen, including avant-garde guitar whiz Buckethead.

The newly revamped GNR hit the road to much fanfare in 2002 with the Chinese Democracy tour--the band's first in more than a decade. But things quickly deteriorated and the tour was scrapped midway through with no real reason given (though sources close to the band's management say Axl's backstage antics, including an alleged brawl with his manager, may have been the cause).

That concert meltdown came after the band sparked a riot on the opening night of the tour in Vancouver when frontman Rose failed to turn up.

After taking a break from touring in 2003, the Gunners are scheduled to regroup for a May 30 gig at the Rock in Rio-Lisbon festival in Lisbon, Portugal.

Still no word when Chinese Democracy will finally hit record stores.

Source: http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,13521,00.html

Hi all I'm new here

All I can say is Cheers :beer: to all the fans speaking thier mind whether it's writing on this message board or writing to the record company personally. This story has got nation wide attention , I am here in Ohio and I heard it on the local Radio Station. I also plan to write a letter cause I would personally like to see some new material by the band rather than just a greatest hits CD. If we can't stop it maybe we can change it. : ok:

i have seen allready a promo CD from GH. so it might come out for sure. as its a big rip-off just dont support it!

i have made a vcd short clip "against" that cd release, you can check it in the hub.

Limulus

Yeah, I've seen the promo too. But it doesn't really mean anything (well, not 100%). Lots of "Beautiful disease" promo CDs were sent to the media, and it didn't stop the record company from cancelling the release.

I hope that the greatest hits does not come out.  However, there are some pluses to a GN'R greatest hits.

1. It may generate new fans.  Some people may pick it up for a few of the big hits and then go on to buy the entire catalogue.
2. It will put GN'R in the news again.

But the big minus is:

- Some people may buy the greatest hits in Lieu of the studio albums.  Potential fans will never hear "Estranged," "Coma" and other great songs. :'(

has anyone started an apology thread to that guy jonah, i mean everyone ripped him a new asshole repeatedly (mysteron included) and it turns out that he was either 100% honest or lucky

i meant johan

how do we know there is any truth to all of the stories of the past few days,has any body seen the press release from geffen coz i aint.no word from axl!no word from sanctuary.mabey people are taking the piss out of true gnr fans,they dislike us coz we have taste and values plus we have a real god in axl not that great man in the sky ???

your guess is as good as mine I'm just supporting the new material issue, If axl did agree on the release and he see's this chat board maybe he'll see the fans want the new material and be more quicker to release some new stuff.   :hihi:

Columbia House took the Greatest Hits off their site. Not sure if that means anything but I thought it was interesting.

Does anyone know , Is this supposed to be a UK release only? All ads I've seen have said from the UK,
 :-\  

(http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/YaBBImages/headscratch.gif)

I don't see it on Amazon, either?  

Here come the "Big Guns" baby!

I joined this board just for this reason - record co.s suck, and they'll use any excuse to make a buck off of one of their bands.

On the whole, a 'Best of...' G'n'R album would please me - BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE WORTH IT!

All my G'n'R is on Vinyl, and I like to keep that Vinyl in mint condition. I'd like some of their stuff on CD so that I can have it on my iPod & around the house.
I think that the record co. & band could get together & do what Slayer have done with their 'Soundtrack To The Appocolypse' boxset - How good would that be?!

I'll write a mail to the guy at the record co to point out their failings, but if it goes ahead - and lets face it, it might - then I just hope it's as good as it can be.
It'd have to be a double CD at the very least.

Good luck everyone with your mails!

i dont' see it there either. monitor those ebay samplers. if they are pulled, something may be happening.

hopefully the forces of good appease the forces of evil by turning over the masters.

I still see it on    amazon.co.uk    :-\

Yeah, its not on Amazon (in America) anymore. Just like how Appetite For Destruction 2000 just up and vanished one day.

It's still listed on Barnes And Noble though.

there are about 20 days to get rid off that GH..something has to start happening or they will run out of time.

I don't think it has ever been on the US amazon site (amazon.com) ... I've been keeping an eye out for it.  That I haven't seen it is a bit odd, since last time they were the first site to list it for pre-sale, and it was listed without even a tracklist or a name.

If it starts disappearing off other websites tomorrow, or in the next few days, we'll def know something is up. Either CD is coming or our e-mails actually worked :hihi:

hey guys....i?ve been away a few days

someone "update" me on things plz

i just read the last posts here , is the GH cancelled?

No it's not cancelled just dissapearing from websites.

ohh ok

thanks :)

Strange. CDUniverse has it, and they are usually way behind Amazon. I rarely search amazon (CDuniverse has samples for EVERY song on x album rather than 5) but I searched it today. I posted a topic on it without reading this one, which was dumb, but anyway - I assumed they had it.

It seems wierd to me that CDU has it but not Amazon. Not conspiracy theory wierd, but "huh?" wierd.

Yes- I just checked BN, it's there! No reviews are posted yet. If this was a HP book the reviews would be posted before it was ever released! :love:

I really wonder what you're doing on this message board  ::)  Got some time to waste?

Wouldn't you like to know.....

Why don't you just go back to whatever place you came from, less work for me.



/jarmo

Isn't the release date for GH - March 23 - the same date as the release of the first VR single?  :confused:

I bet Slash/Duff/Matt are just THRILLED to be going head-to-head with their former selves.  :rofl:

Maybe Axl and the ex-gunners will re-unite in court to stop GH from being released.  :P

VR new release date for album may 18, not sure about the first single date

the greatest hits is coming the only power we have is to not buy it, we are not gonna change a record labels mind with a petition etc, thats just the hard facts of life

That's their cd that's pushed back.  The single "Slither" is scheduled to be released for airplay on that date.

the releasing date in amazon.co.uk is 15 March, 2004

Because that's the release date for Europe.

23rd is for the US.

Hey I haven't heard anything new, Is the GH for sure going to be released or what ? Does anybody know or is it still in limbo  :confused:

Yep

15/3/04 European release

23/3/04 US release

Are we at the point now where we've got GNR playing Lisbon in order to promote a GH?  You guys know i've seen enough here to be asking such a simplistic question, but I have to wonder..... ???

Edit: Actually I'll rescind the "simplistic" portion of my post...this question is probably a lot more complex than i care to discuss...

joe