Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Just my opinion, but since it is now the first week of February and we have no word from Axl in over 14 months (not 1 word mind you), and since there is supposed to be a concert on May 30, 2004 that alot of you think won't take place without an album release, and given the fact that VR has already begun promotion on Comrades due out May 10, I was just thinking that there is now almost no chnace that CD will be out before May 30, 2004.

Furthermore, based on some comments from the band, it is likely that the album will not even be entirely done by then.

I wouldn't get my hopes up about an album anytime soon.  And if you do, then I have a bridge to sell you because you are just plain naive and stupid.

/Tulip

yeah you're right, the cd won't come out.

I don't get it anymore man. ??? :no:


Hey Axl???


Sometimes, you make me wanna' [puke] man.


Thanks a lot. :(


Release the fucking album man and stop making yourself look like a complete, total fucking idiot loser.


[puke]

You only need one month to promote an album.
You dont need 4 or 5.
If gnr is smart, CD will be out before RIR>
IT really has to be bc the band cant play the RIR 3 set list.

Dizzy said axl is not holding up the album, so its the record labels call right now when it comes out i guess

Hmm, if CD doesn't hit this year then it will never be released...even die hard fans like me can't be bothered forever, its not as if GNR are the only good group out.

Ty,

My guess is that we are going to see something this year.

That is Chinese Democracy or a Greatest Hits CD.

Many record stores have the Greatest Hits CD slotted for March 30th.

If this is the case then promotion will go out one month before.

flyers and shit for the mags.

Look at the last week of February - 1st week of March. If they pull the plug on the Greatest Hits then things could be good. That is if the GH's is not part of the promotional tool. :nervous:

In 2001. Festival gigs started announcing the lineup bills in late february - early march.

So I think wating till the second week of march is sane before we start spilling the doom n' gloom.

 :peace:

-5th

It's getting pretty fucking lame and pathetic man. I know I usually don't like it when others complain but, I don't care anymore. I want some new fucking music that's worth listening to. If Janet and Justin and the rest of the lip-synching arsewipes are all that's out there, then I should just move to fucking Tibet or something and become a monk. 14 months??? Fuck man. Give us a break Axl-Hole.




[puke]

The VR album is called Contraband and is supposedly due out May 11.

Hey Izzy :)

i actually thought that like the last 3 years.....
But this time i might be different (?) Just a feeling.
Never the less i share your opinion dude, as most of us do i believe

I love how some people here continue to believe the band members.  They haven't been right once in the last 14 months.  Not once.  Their words are less credible than anyone elses.  If Dizzy says Axl isn't holding it up...then guess what?  It is likely that Axl is holding it up.

And it will take this band alot more than 1 month to promote their album if they want it to do well.  That is just ridiculous.  Look at VR...they started about 5 months before thier album is scheduled for release.  And if anyhting, GNR needs at least that much time to help repair their industry worst reputation.

No offense Dave, but stop being naive and stop believing what an increasingly out of touch band member has to say.  This thing won't be out before 5/31...guaranteed.

And Whiskey, does anyone here really give two shits about a GH cd?  I wouldn't buy that garbage if it were $2.  That release would be an insult to us all.

I may be too damn negative at this point, and I realize that.  But if you really think about it, I am probably more of a realist than I am a pessimist.

I will continue to check here from time to time to see if there is news, but what once was a once a day habit of checking this board has decreased to a twice a week habit and if this continues may turn into a once a month habit.  I just wish some of you would get your head out of your asses and realize that it ain't gonna happen before 5/31/04 no matter Dizzy or Mysteron or anyone else with no real information has to say.

/Tulip

w/e

Well, Mysteron got the street teams all whipped up...can't he find us a little more info? Maybe even a hint of when Axl MIGHT say something? ???

oh yeah, definately. bringing GN'R back to life in the eyes of the general public is gonna take more than a month!

I don't know what the "master plan" behind this project is (probably none), but it Im pretty sure that if it should work out to the best, it's gonna take some time, not privately like it has till now, but publically.

but who knows, maybe the record company aren't willing to spend much money on promotion in fear that Axl will pull the album in the last minute again..

Raoxlse said announcement in March-Mysteron said sometime over the next few weeks. That is all we have and probably all we'll get. Whether or not you believe them is up to you. ::)

They have until the 1st week of march to make an announcement concerning cd. That would give them 2 months of promotion for the album.

I highly doubt the label will release a gh album right now. If they do I would throw up. Save the Gh for down the road when gnr will have a shitload of albums to choose from.

If the album comes out at the latest 2 weeks before rio, the single will be out anywhere from late april/early may...so theres plenty of time.

I would be shocked if gnr play rir3 setlist again. And i also think it would be dumb for them to play the new songs live before the album comes out. Hence i believe the album will be out before rio.

Your reasoning is good.  No doubt.  But the major flaw in your statements is the assumption that Axl has the slightest idea of what he is doing...which of course he doesn't.  The last tour (and lack of promotion thereof) is a perfect example of how he doesn't have a clue really on how to start this thing.

I would not use logic to predict that the album will be out before RIR4...because you are dealing with the illogical.  I still say that album has almost no chance of being out before RIR4.  And the more I thinka bout it and analyze it, the more I am convinced.

If you expect to release this thing before May 30, the time start mentioning this thing in public and in promotion is right now...wait no it was last month.  Giving only 2 months to promote an album for the running joke in Rock & Roll is no way near enough time.  Don't forget that off these boards, this band is a laughing stock.

/Tulip

Tyrod, do you have a degree in marketing?? ;D If the music is good, they will come..... :drool:

Didn't realize you need a degree in marketing to state the obvious.  

So you think that all albums that have good music on them do well?  In case you didn't know, there have been hundreds of great albums full of great music that haven't done well.  And in the case of GNR, they have to overcome alot of negative publicity (god aweful VMA performance, concert no-shows, failed tour) before they can even get back to even ground with other acts that have failed with good music...and if you think 2 months is enough time then you're wrong.

And one other thing...if they are counting on the quality of music we have heard so far to sell and promote their album then they are dead in the water.  Because songs like Maddy and The Blues will take them no where.  They need to be promoting this thing right now to give it even a shot of being successful, which is presumably what they want to be...successful.

God man, don't make a remark like "Do you have a marketing degree" when all I did was state the obvious.  I have 2 engineering degrees, and that's all it takes to see that GNR needs major promotion to be sucessful.

/Tulip

I understand what your saying but I disagree. Axl definately knows what hes doing. Does he always get everything right? Hell no but he knows how to get to A to Z. As Zak wylde put it, Axl is one smart guy.
I think its unfair to bring up last tour because was it really set up to do well? Last tour was for the band to finally get out of the studio, gel in a live fashion, play the old songs for the most 1 last time, and to just get the gnr name back out there.
Did it fail, yes, but its not the end for them trust me.

Lets just say for arguments sake, the album will be out before rio....
So lets say it comes out the tuesday before rio. That means they could release the single and the video 2-4 weeks before that. That brings us to at the latest, the last week of april.

Its is only Feb 4th relax. What use would 3 months of promotion do? Like i said if they make the announcements 1st week of march, that still gives them 2 solid months of promotion. Or they could make an announcement 2 weeks before they release the single.

I wont start worrying until march rolls around. When that time comes, then i will realize cd will not be coming out before rio. Which i think is stupid. Again why play rir3 setlist,illusion songs or the new songs in a live fashion first? Makes no sense.

I understand your skepticism and what has happened in the past but i only think things were like that becuase Gnr wasnt ready to do anything eyt. The album/s still werent finished. When they finally start things up they are going to be all over the place. Its just a matter of when there ready.

Just relax and go find another "well promoted" band. It doesn't take a psychology degree to notice that you are way to bent out of shape and pissed over something as trivial as a rock band. Simply go pass the time somewhere else.

How can you say the vmas was god awful? Axl wasnt his best singing wise{except for the howl, and maddy}, but the band fukin rocked.
Why are you bringing up concert no-shows when that kind of behavior is nothing new? The public didnt have a problem with it back in the day so why do they care now. I already stated my opinion on the last tour.
And 2 months is plenty of time to promote this album. Plenty

What dont you understand? The songs they are playing now will not be thier singles. So who is claiming they are gonna carry this band? Singles carry/promote bands and albums. Axl has said we havnt heard the big guns. Whether you believe him or not is a totallly different story but the songs they are banking on havnt been heard yet.
Again, they do not have to start promoting this album right now. No way its still to early. I'm not dumb enough to say that the songs we have heard are instant classics but i will say they are a lot better than what is out there right now. Teh songs we have heard are the type of songs that make an overall album great.

Is gnr a joke to the public? Yes. but that gets way overblown. The reason gnr is a joke because of all the "delays", and rumors surrounding this band. That is why. It has nothing to do with the music. And for me its about the music. SO when they release thier material and it blows everythign out of the water, then guess what, the same people who are killing time, making fun of axls braids, will be the same people who will drop to their knees for an interview if this band gets big.
I take what everyone says with a grain of salt. Until the music comes out i could care less what anyone says.

Plus you have to realize, gnr arent just banking on thier old fans. For them to be popular, in terms of mainstream success, they need the kids and new fans. The history of this band will not affect those people. They have virgin ears. And if they liek what they hear, guess what that kid from idaho will embrace axl,bucket or whoever as his band, guns n roses. People are def aware of the past, but they arent pissed off like old gnr fans are. Good/great music changes a lot of opinions. SO once again, the material this band puts out iwll make or break them.
Not whether you think they market the right way or do thinsg the right way. Gnr has and always will do things their own way. Its fukin rock n roll, not some pop or rock band that does things by the book. This is fukin rock n roll. Since when does rock n roll have a rule book? If you are looking at one you arent looking at rock n roll. I dont need a band to pat me on the shoulder and say hello on a website. I need my band to make killer music. And if that means they lay low throughout that whole time. SO be it. I know when they get things rolling they will do all that communication stuff.Till then sit back and relax.

After last november came and went without a word. I gave up all concern about when this album will come out.

I mean really... this is absurd... So I don't get excited about anything anymore... when i have the disk in my hand i'll believe.... actually when I have in my cd player and i hear axl's voice .. then i'll believe it.... thats it.

Axl's a complete bafoon if he plays RIR4 without a new disk... no cd, no new tunes or else this whole secrecy thing was for nothing... no new tunes... axl looks like an even bigger wash uped has been than he already does.

The new album will not necessarily be out before RIR. It will be released when it is deemed best to release it. It depends on the promotional planning.

Regarding the Rock am ring concert, the situation is the same as it was before despite all the rumors and announced bands. This has been confirmed by both management and RAR

Here we go again....next thing you know it's a Christmas release....I will say this whole fiasco is comical.  ::)

Then i think that is really dumb, if that turns out to be the case. I have no problem in waiting. I really dont. WHenever the cd is done, fine but to play rir4 with another setlist of afd or illusions is dumb. I'm sick of people bashing this band when they play the old songs. I want them to show the world the new stuff so they can fukin shut everyone up. If its not ready fine but dont do rir4. I hope they dont play any new songs then. I dont wanna hear any new songs live. I want the studio versions. If it takes another year, ill wait, but i think they should do this right.
They have kept everything under lock n key and its a great mystery and mystique. WHy ruin it by playing it live for the first time.

i dont give a fuck about CD coming out before or after the concert in lisbon!
i prefer 1000 times seeing then live here in lisbon than having CD in my hands.
and yes i wouldnt mind at ALL if they played the 2002 US Tour setlist in here :)

a little off topic, but what would you guys have said if axl really came in the public... and said ONE word.... and then he left.. wonder what that word would be... would it be hey? or "soon" or maybe never!

think the least he could say is to the camera man "Fuck off!"  :hihi:


GOD, i am bored!!

Younggunner, I honestly didn't know why they would play Rio3 without a single or album. Then the mini world tour then I was floored that they would play the same setlist and tour the US without an album. NOTHING Axl has done has made any sense except for one thing-he put together a kick ass band. In essence, everything else has been a failure. Trying to use logic with this whole comeback at this point is completely illogical on your part. I am firmly convinced that we are no closer to an album release than we were last year at this very same time. What is different-somebody please give concrete proof of what is the difference between now and last February?

I think it's pretty much safe to say that it won't be out before RIR. Didn't Dizzy say they haven't even set a date yet?

younggunner, I agree with you. I really want to hear what the band is capable of doing on their own. It's cool hearing the old songs but they are a new band who deserves to have their own music heard. It is silly to do RIR and any other festivals if CD isn't right behind it.

Mysteron said that the new tour would be in support of a new "product". So if CD isn't out before RIR, I guess there isn't going to be an Euro tour this summer.

I think all info points at this:

1. The record is done and the record company holds it in their hands.
2. Axl will do Rock in Rio as usual, with or without the CD released.

I agree with TyRod's arguement.

Point well taken, and i understand what your saying. The only thing iw ould say about that is that everone assumed that the band was ready a few years ago to go ahead with their 3 album 5yr tour plan. Im doing the same thing now, but being that they did nothing up until 2000 they could afford to do what they did. They could go out and do a afd tour and not have to worry about releasing the new stuff.

I believe its a totally different ballgame now because they dont have that luxury anymore.

But i do understand what your saying

(yawn)....news....in....March....

jesus christ enough of this fucking crap already!!!!!

say your source or shut the fuck up

Rao, I hope you are right. They need this record out before they start up with a tour again. That should be obvious to the record company and the band.  :)

(yawn) ... I'll ... bet ...

"How can you say the vmas was god awful? Axl wasnt his best singing wise{except for the howl, and maddy}, but the band fukin rocked."

Yeah the band was great, Axl wasn’t his best singing wise…what’s his occupation again, OH YEAH, a SINGER…(don't give me any songwriter BS, when you're touring you're a performer)
 
"Why are you bringing up concert no-shows when that kind of behavior is nothing new? The public didnt have a problem with it back in the day so why do they care now. I already stated my opinion on the last tour."
 
To quote the then, Johnny Rotten, “did you ever get the feeling you were being cheated.”  You can’t say, well, back when they (GNR) were the biggest thing since sliced bread the public didn’t care, so why should they now.

He comes along ump-teen years later and abandons over his new band on the first gig of the tour? Abandons over his band on a sold out gig, (when he ain’t selling like sliced bread) and he’s not a 20 something year old now, but a 40 year old MAN?  I realize you’re young, but it’s about freaking time you lay some accountability on your man. No shows (on your own comeback tour, abandoning your band, is bad business…and in case you haven’t noticed, business has been streamlining itself since 9\11 …so that arrogant shit behavior ain’t flying no more, ESPECIALLY when you ain’t bringing in the benjamins like you use to...

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm taking my energy back, take madagas's (sp?) advice and going to listen to some bands who actually produce and get on with the day :hihi:

If the tour is supporting a new product, then I would expect information about the new product to be known by Rock in Rio. That's just logic

I do not know plans or any timetables. Maybe gnr will debut a new single at RIR, or maybe they are considering a film. I don't know. But factors like this will influence the release date.

It's great that the band sounded good for the VMA's, but if you take Axl out of the equation then for the amount of a shit people give about the band they might as well be called the Bach Tight 5 ...

Hmm we're all talking about no news on CD..well we have no news on RIR4 yet from GNR!

To be fair RIR4 promoters think GNR are coming.....but so did the venue organisers at Philly.....

The one thing that gets me about the new Guns is that despite the fact that they've been together for ages, we've never seen as much as a press picture of them all together.

And the fact that it does seem in the eyes of many to be Axl and a bunch of hired cronies to many in the public eye isn't helped by this fact.

Axl really doesn't have to release CD just because he is scheduled to perform at 1 show.  If he dislikes the old band so much, FINE.  Well move on then Axl and release the damn album with the new band.  I swear I will be saying the same damn thing this time next year.  It has no end in sight.

Funny, someone mentioned in a post that the NEW GNR's 2nd album will be more electronic with effects.  When will that be released?  When Axl is in his 60's?

It bothers me that we have no picture of them all......thats so......odd

''Hired Guns N Roses''

I still have no idea what Chris Pittman looks like..................and i have evn less knowledge of what he does.....

If you're lucky CD will be out by then ...

I'm sorry, but you are really, really jumping the gun.
First, there are several CDs coming out in April that haven't gotten ANY publicity yet. Part of the reason VR is promoting so early is that originally, the CD was due in March, not May. Also, they have been in the news constantly the past 9 months so you just hear more about the project, partly due to Weiland's rehab issues. It's not like there's billboards and commercials everywhere for their new CD, anyway.
If you didn't come to this board, you would probably know very little about it. It's not like you turn on VH1 or open Rolling Stone and see COMRADES information everywhere..
GnR have plenty of time to release information and news so the album can land and make a big splash.  You do NOT need 3 months prior to an album to let people know it's coming, especially this album which every rock fan in the world has heard something about the past 5 years.
And about the songs. Madagascar and the Blues are two songs. The album will most likely have 14-17 tracks. Out of those, only 2 or 3 will be songs you've heard before. So I would hardly judge the material on CD by live versions of a few new songs.

No, but if you read any mainstream rock publication, check out MTV.com or Rollingstone.com, watch MuchMusic, or listen to the radio, youll probably see information on CONTRABAND...And while many CDs scedueled for April arent recieving publicity, theyre at least schedueled for April.

Oh, ok so now axl is a horrible singer because of 1 average performance.
I should be the last one saying this but, i can barely understand what your writing.
I just re read it and that has to be one of the funniest, pointless posts ever.

I'd say this whole thread is jumping the gun. For fucks sake, it's the beginning of February. If the album was coming.. say.. 18th may, then that's 3.5 months. Thats fucking ages.

Secondly, a lot of you attack raoxsle. It's understandable that you're skeptical with all the crap we've had, but you should wait and see..... or you can start saying he knows nothing, and end up looking like jackasses.

On a side note, Dizzy said he should have the album by the next time he goes to chicago. That has been confirmed as the end of march if he's with happenin harry. That seems too early, and who knows if dizzy knows whats going to happen, but I'm just passing it on.

@#$%Muther

raoxsle = r a o x s l e ??? :hihi: :hihi:

If this album truly is done and in the hands of the record company (one hell of a huge "if", I might add) and if someone from that record company is reading this thread:

Release the album sometime in April-May-June. Don't wait for a Christmas release. I know the marketing people may think that's the best time to release a high-profile project, but I don't think so. Too many albums come out at that time already.

After all this time, we can only assume that the band has at least 2 or 3 awesome "big gun" singles. I think that releasing them over the course of the summer is the best option. GNR can have the hit song of the summer, with everyone driving around cranking their singles with the windows down.

I just wonder if they are thinking of avoiding May because of Velvet Revolver and the inevitable comparisons.

Or, of course, the band may just be thinking of booking a studio from now until doomsday for some "finishing touches." Please don't. I will accept an a cappella record of Axl yodelling at this point.

Jesus Christ! You people have been waiting 10 years! Now a WEEK into a MONTH that you MIGHT hear SOMETHING in, you go nuts?

As long as it's 2004, I could give a shit about when.

Save your excitement for when/if it actually surfaces or you'll be too wore out to celebrate.  :P

OK, here's some figures from a year or so ago:

25/9/02 - GNR announce tour
7/11/02 - GNR start tour

difference = 47 days = aprox. 1.5 months

Prominent artist album releases:

radiohead album release announced 24/3, released 10/6  = 77 days = 2.5 months
audioslave album release announced 18/9, released 19/11 = 2.0 months
marilyn manson album release announced 18/2, released 13/5  = 3.0 months

I won't be bothered unless I hear nothing by the end of March, 2 months is enough time

@#$%Muther

Well hell, since you asked so nicely....

Seriously, what good would it do?  You wouldn't believe me anyway.

I'll tell you what, if there is no official news by the end of March Jarmo can ban me.

I don't need anybody's permission to do that.  :hihi:


By official news you mean?

If MTV reports that Axl's been shopping in Vegas, is that official?  ;D



/jarmo

................................................................................................ (I heard you)....

Is anyone else here over all the waiting and hearing NOTHING from the GN'R camp but "soon", or "finishing touches are being made", or "Axl has a few vocals to finish" etc etc etc?????

I for one, am completely over waiting.

It's a complete and utter joke that 3 years after their RIR3 performance that we THE FANS are still left in the dark.

I know Axl has said to "live our lives" and "soon isn't the word" but is the guy gonna be 50 before he decides to release the album???

Why promise an album to your fans and keep them in the dark about it anyway???
Oh, that's right, to add an element of mystery... yeah right!

They probably don't tell us anything because even they themselves don't know.

Anyway, that's my whinge for the day.

I'm gonna go check the message boards for VR, at least they let their fans know what's going on.

I really have no reason to believe or not believe you. It would be really interesting to hear who your source is. I wouldn't jump down your throat if you said it was Axl or Axl's garbage man...

same here i just would like to know the source ;)

What gets to me the most is that bastard website of Interscopes and  iwill harp on about it until it is changed.

I believe the reason it was changed last time is because of the general pissed off atmosphere after the FAILED tour and people wanting to know what has happened.

Then all of a sudden..news coming soon..jesus....i checked that site rehtorically for like 3 months after that to see what this NEWS was....er....can someone enlighten to me as to what it says now please?

Jeez its the  bands gateway to connect to their fans without having to speak to them face to face and have us all asking questions....

Im not gonna argue this point because its the fucking truth.

Would you all or would you not like to see a simple update on gnronline.com that does not include the word "SOON".

Fucks sake.


And sorry to the Lovers out there....i know im gonna get...this band dont owe me shit..and yes your right they dont and i dont owe them shit either but ill still go buy the fucking album!

**Twaddles off to the VR website to check for some BAND updates**

same here :hihi:

 :hihi:

I'm starting to think this silence thing is part of a plan somehow. Like everything henges on the release of CD (in depth interviews, updating the website, speaking to the public). This is a good plan... If they would have released the album in 2002 not 2004  :no:

Dude the website was updated last year...go and take a look its awesome...a personal message from Axl, which reading behind the lines says:-

Fuck you for all your support.

Its beautiful...new photos of Bucket and Robin eating KFC together, Brain playing drums ona Kfc Bucket, Richard playing with a Britney Spears Doll and Tommy and Dizzy being totally cool and doing their own thang, perhaps realising that they could make more money touring on their own rather than waiting for "SOON" to occur.

Theres also some Mp3's as well but they dont work...maybe the advertisement at the bottom of the page saying : currently recruiting new webmaster means something?

I agree with this post entirely. Sucks to say but its all true.Metallex78 also puts across a good point.Wish I could be more optamistic but whats the point. I know when the release date is announced and I finally get the damn thing itll be the greatest moment in my sad life, i just cant handle this intense suspense waiting for something to happen.

Rock in Rio 4 happens at the end of May.  Assuming the album is released around that time, then it's totally feasible and fits that the announcement and a single would be out in March.  I may be a little naive, but I really do believe the album will come out at some point, and this time it does seem really likely.

By the way, if you want to question raoxsle and whatever, you might as well just PM him rather than discussing it in the forum here.  He's a pretty open and straight forward guy.

I have.

Maybe he doesnt answer cynical bastards like me!

Which isnt really suprising is it?

Would you?

Argghh - this is all jumping the gun - let's wait for the release date.
Then start bitching again when it gets delayed!

Something along the lines of an update on gnronline, press-release, interview etc.

i like jarmo's update more
its better than "stay tuned for news and updates on chinese democracy coming soon"
well rao.i kinda do blv you and really hope that v have at least a single
look at vr their album come out in may..they have a release date for the album as well as for the first single...and here v donteven know who's still in the band :-\

I'll be looking forward to March then. If nothing then...I guess I'll throw in the GnR towel. They'll be too many other cool albums coming out.

I firmly believe it will come out, but not before March 30:

If you go to interscope.com you can find listed the "coming soon" releases.
The last one listed is by "snow patrol" (who are they? ???) on March, 30

you got a right for your opinion but not to call anyone naive and stupid if they think it will be out before RIR4, if it does come out, thats if, i got a right to call you a fucking................. :peace:

your only makeing every miserable with your negative shit.
Axl said on the MTV interview after being asked when it will be out and he said "we'll see it, i dont know is soon is the word" and that was 2002 man, Axl has a masterplane.
IT WILL COME OUT

Hope is gone...

We must remain positive : ok:

We are almost at the finish line imho :peace:

i think there is no chance of it coming out before Rio, cause IMO it would be stupid to release it. i think you need to have a MAJOR buzz going before you release it. and i think playing a few live shows is the best way to get the buzz going again.

if the strategy was up to me, i'd have gnr play festivals all summer, with a single released in july, album released in september with a full world tour starting in the fall. with lots of other promotion along the way (radio, print, etc.)
 

They are legit even though I have never heard of them either.  Check out www.snowpatrol.net  :no:

Well there have been some good points here.  And I guess I'll wait till the end of March to post my "I told you so" thread.  because by that time we will still have nothing.  Guaranteed.

Raoxsle has no real source or we would know about it.  He's like the kid that says "I know something but I'm not tell you."  And those kids are just out to draw attention to themselves.  So don't hang on his word, please.  And if I am wrong Raoxsle then you can go ahead and prove me wrong by stating your source, but my guess is that you won't because you have no real source.

Would anyone here be even mildly surprised if there was no word by July 1, 2004?  

/Tulip

p.s.  I have every right to be negative about this "non-band".  As a matter of fact, I have more right to be negative about this than you have to be positive.  WFT is there to be positive about??

That's good advice and I agree with it.

Just because something is posted on a message board doesn't make it true.

I'd say there are only a few reliable places for news and since this person hasn't proved to be right about anything yet, he's not one of them.

I'm not expecting any album news, but if they're gonna play shows in Europe in June, they better start announcing them soon.

Last time they announced European summer dates, they did it in February. That was in 2001....I remember the Stockholm tickets went on sale in March 2001.


/jarmo

offical news could be rock inrio 4

i have been one of rao's biggest doubters, but i think he has been onthis board to long to put his nuts on the chopping block now, u know?

why would he put his reputation and his status on this board on the line if he didnt know something?
then again it is just a message board so maybe it doesnt mean much to some people

there are two ways to look at it

rao knows shit and is being honest or

he is going for the homerun bankin on Rock in Rio 4 as being the real return of GNR and he is pretending to know shit gambling that he will be right so if he does guess right he will look like a GOD to gnr fans etc and will forever be loved and rained down on with attention etc also with gnr there are always all sorts of loopholes

i call it the aunt ger loophole, dizzy said cd out by thanksgiving but "lets blame axl" with axl things can change at anytime

these people are wrong its axls fault when in reality he never claimed any such release date but he looks like the cocksucker due to false rumors which isnt necessarily fair to axl

hey everybody jsut chill. chances are its comin out this year,with dizzy sayin all this stuff about it bein done and that its comin out soon, and give axl some respect he knows what hes doin,hes a perfectionist he wnats to give his fans the best album of all time. ya maybe some updates would be nice but hey its axl. the band already said there would be a huge announcment at rock in rio 4. so im not sayin nothin bad about axl until then because there not gonna play the same show they did last year. so theres gonna be somehtin difffeent hopefully an announcemnt worth waiting for. so its comin out and its gonna be awsome axl said the tunes like the blues chinese democracy and madagascar wouldnt even be singles so what kind of tunes has he got up his sleeve i cant wait see ya.

Why cant you hold the towel and still buy all those other albums?Are you not allowed to listen to other bands while waiting for CD?

I agree. Liek the past people have claimed stuff based on reasonable assumption of what the band might do.
Being that I truly believe it will be out before cd, I could go and make another name and layout a whole process and say im involved or whatver. If it happens then you would all bow down. If it doesnt, like the dannys,pures of the world, id be gone.

The most important thing I am going to look at regarding Raoxsle is not so much an announcement because if they do make an announcement it will be soon but its when he mentioned a song title a few weeks ago. If that title is on cd, then i guess he knows his shit, if not then I cant take him seriously. And they "bumped" the song off the album doesnt count.

What was the name of the song?

My prediction still stands. May is when it will drop.

The song title Raoxsle dropped was "The Beaten Path."
/Mike

When? Who? I didn't see nothing about it... Before that Dizzy's interview in some radio station, we even didn't know if RIR4 was confirmed by the band itself. Sure, the RIR organization won't put news about it if it wasn't 100% sure, but some of you didn't believe until someone from the band could confirm.
The poster sandman did an awesome guess:
That's what I guess too. I think it's safe enough for a band who needs some positive buzz. Altought there's a little hope to predict that the CD release will be in 2004, I think it's pretty down to earth to see the things starting after RIR : ok:

Thanks. Does anyone know where the title "Ides Of March" came from? I'm really confused.

Ancient Greece. :D

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?board=2;action=display;threadid=9617;start=0

"Most of the songs had working titles but I know that "Oklahoma" and "Ides of March" were songs that were almost complete."

- Dave Dominguez



/jarmo

"Ides of March", huh?  Forgot about that one. Maybe we should be on the lookout for an announcement on that day.... ;)
/Mike

Thank god the strategy isnt up to you, and hopefully gnr do not have the same thing in mind.

You only need a 1 1/2- 2 months of promotion for this album . The album already has a natural mystique and mystery to it and anticipation. All it needs is to be confirmed that its coming out and to be promoted 100x harder than a reg album would.

You say you would have them play a bunch of summer festivals. What would thier setlist be in these festivals if the album isnt out? more afd or if your lucky illusions? Thats totally dumb in my opinion.

I dont care how long it takes them to have the record finished. But when they do, thats when they should go full force.They cant afford to have any more stop n go's with an afd tour.
So when they do finish the album they should have the announcement 2 months before the release. That announcement should tell about the mosnter tour, the album,single,video etc. Then obiviously release the single and video 2 -4 weeks beofre the album. Then go play rio4 with a cd set and some classic songs sprinckled in. Then go on the festival tour and just take off with there 3 album/tour for each plan.

I alsop think they have a lot of new marketing strategies planned and this album will be promoted like no other. SO im not worried. As zak wylde put it, axl is one smart guy. He has kept an intense anticipation within his old fans, and some curiosity to the genral public without saying a word. All they have to do is put out the material and kick the rock world in the balls and take the elevator straight to thetop.

younggunner - i hope you're right, man.

i think we agree that the record label NEEDS this to be huge. and that they are gonna do everything on their end they can.....basically as much promotion as possible.

but i also think that a few live shows will put gnr back in a positive light (last time most people heard any news was a year ago - no shows and cancelled tours.)

i'm no music industry expert, so i'm probably way off on this.

 :hihi:


Thanks Jarmo. "Ides Of March" (my birthday! :D) and "Oklahoma" came from an engineer. The names "General", "Thyme", "Seven"... and I forgot the others, came from Marco's site. I'm just trying to get this straight because I've heard other titles floating around that I have no idea where they came from or if they're real. "This I Love" was mentioned by Axl, "Prostitute" was mentioned by Youth, but I have no idea why everyone is talking about Catcher In The Rye and Eulogy Of A Broken Heart, I think those came from a fan but I'm not sure anymore.  :nervous:

Eulogy and Catcher are mentioned in this rumor:
http://home.no.net/gnr2001/ny_side_20.htm

Id, Catcher in the Rye was played by Axl for David Wild of Rolling Stone in Dec 1999 along with Irs, Chinese Democracy, TWAT, Oklahoma, The Blues. Axl played him 12 songs but those are the only titles I remember.

Thanks a lot man!

I can't believe this is where it came from. I thought at least the rumor would have been "I met Axl back stage". That story is pretty lame.

As of now Catcher and Eulogy do not exsist, IMO.

Are you sure it was Catcher In The Rye? Now I'm really confused.

I know no one at Interscope knows whats going on, and that there's only rumors... Shhhit. I have no clue anymore.

Go to the articles section 2000 Axl Speaks and read!!!!!!!

Imagine Led Zeppelin's Physical Graffiti remixed by Beck and Trent Reznor, and you'll have some sense of Axl's new sound.

Song after song combines the edgy hard rock force and pop smarts of vintage Guns N Roses with surprisingly modern and ambitious music textures. In addition to the album's almost grungy title track, tentative song titles include ''Catcher in the Rye,'' ''I.R.S,'' ''The Blues'' and ''TWAT,'' which he says stands for ''there was a time.''

Another song, called ''Oklahoma'' - heard tonight only as an instrumental - was inspired by a court date with ex-wife Erin Everly. ''I was sitting in my litigation with my ex-wife, and it was the day after the bombing,'' Rose remembers with a wince. ''We had a break, and I'm sitting with my attorneys with a sort of smile on my face, more like a nervous thing - it was like, 'Forgive me, people, I'm having trouble taking this seriously.' It's just ironic that we're sitting there and this person is spewing all kinds of things and 168 people just got killed. And this person I'm sitting there with, she don't care. Obliterating me is their goal.''

That was 2000

That above rumor was 2001, so they could have known about Catcher.

Okay. Eulogy Of A Broken Heart doesn't exist IMO.

This I love, General, Thyme, Seven, Oklahoma, Catcher In The Rye, IRS, There Was A Time, Ides Of March are legit titles we know exist.

What TyRod?  Did you get tired of screwing with other members (through your other board names) via PM's?

Yeah, and I'm the "kid."


Bottom line, it's been fun folks but I've had enough of this.  Here's what I have to say and, if it doesn't happen, feel free to "chop away at my nuts on the chopping block."  Jarmo can have the first swing.  ;)


- The band is scheduled to regroup in a few weeks for final rehearsals.  

- After that, Chinese Democracy (which is finished) will be turned over to the   label.

- Expect official news - an album release date and tour dates - in March, as well as the first (and possibly second) single off the record.

- The first single will be a song called The Chain.

- Democracy will be out soon afterwards.

- Live show dates continue to be scheduled for Europe, the U.S., and elsewhere.  The first show on the American leg of the tour will be in Los Angeles.

- A track from the new album will be on an upcoming film soundtrack in the late-spring to early-summer.

- The follow-up album is currently in post-production.  While there is enough material for a third record, there is a "wait and see" attitude as to whether one will be released.

Oh yes, and my "source?"

A guy named Axl Rose.

Any proof to back up your source?

Amen to that. And thank you.
Lay off dude. He gave us a shitload of info. You dontneed any sources when someone give information liek this. Its as simple as this:
If half of this is true, particularly "the Chain", then we dont need a source. Raoaxsle has put himself out there to either be pummled when this doesnt happen or be the 1st gnr insider any gnr message board has ever had. HTgTHt will be the first site to ever have a credible insider roam the boards.

Yes you need a source. Since as of right now this is just unconfirmed specualation

Okay everyone.......listen up please

Why all the rudeness to whatever raoxsle posts? ???

First of all, he is a nice person and has always suggested if you have questions, to pm him with answers. ;)

Do some of you get off on being insulting to others?  Raoxsle has never been rude to anyone of you, so why be rude to him?  Or is it jealousy due to the fact he knows what you are so eagerly waiting for and you despise the fact that he has the upper hand and the connections?

If you don't want to believe what he posts, fine....that is your perrogative.  But no need to be rude about it.  Ignore what he says if you don't or are not convinced he is legit.

All I asked for is if he could prove his source. Why are you all jumping on me? I ask everyone if they start a rumor if they have a way to prove the source.

Wow don't think I've heard that before. True or not, that's some balls there bro!  :o :hihi:

Normally these are posts I usually tend to shy away from, read them and take iy for what its worth.

A big part of me wants to believe that rao is legit,.......and I am willing to give the benifit of doubt.......but I usually don't repond in this kind of thread because of all the hostility it creates among fans.........shit I am an old time GNR fan..........but I love the new and old equally, having been afforded the chance to see both "old" n "new".

personally I do believe that this will be the the time, and I dont usually put my support for this unless I feel strongly......I didnt last yr and didnt after the VMA's. ANd alot of people have desimated that show like it was the most horrble thing ever.....................please...............that night was so energenic and magical. Those that saw it live know what O mean........so to go of and critique it 2 yrs later is like everything else, everyones got and asshole and an opinion. But < I am starting to think that GNr fans are scared that this might actually come out and are afraid that they wont have anymore therories or rumors to mull over because it will be out there for everyone to see., and long gone will be this "safe haven" for "fans". Shame on alot you!

JOE

Whenever a poster tries to be mysterious, that makes me suspicious. The guy claims that Axl gave him info, but offers no further insight as to how he met or spoke with him. He just lists info and says it's from Axl.

Personally, if I really met Axl and he gave me information, I'd RUSH to these boards and give you EVERY PIECE OF INFO on how I met him, what he said, what he wore, and if I took pics I'd show you all.....it'd be a celebration!! Certainly I wouldn't just list some info and say "its from Axl. Later." That makes it unbelieveable.

I'm not trying to pick on the guy who listed the latest stuff; I'm just speaking in general. If you try to be mysterious with the news, odds are you 1.) are spreading false rumors and/or 2.) gonna get flamed by the posters here. The people here are tired of B.S., so if someone wants to make people believe they have info, they had better post a well rounded, COMPLETE post with all the details and without mystery.

Who was rude to this guy? Someone asked him for proof. That is not being rude at all.  If this guy was posting something negative you'd be all over him but because he posts a lot of positive things he is suddenly deemed nice.

It's natural for people to be skeptical of this guy when he has yet to shown any proof to back up his claims. In fact he posted here quite some time and never claimed to be an insider until recently. Why is he suddenly motivated to share these things now? If he is right I won't have any problem with admitting it but as of now I don't think he should be treated any more differently than anyone else who spreads rumors. As far as we know his source could be Latigo.  ::)

Girlgunner,

Are you really that narrowminded?

Is this part of the board the only place you post?

If you look at other threads, there are posters on here who have been extremely rude to him.

Anyway, why are you so hung up on Latigo?  I mean I do remember you from the chat and you were one of the ones who bought in to it as well.....now you can try and pass it off like you didn't, but those of us involved in the chat do remember you.  I could also post all my logs I have and embarrass you :yes: , I do have proof you know, .....but I have better things to do with my time.

Furthermore, I have had convos with raoxsle that have NOTHING to do with GNR.  He is a nice guy.

I don't like BS just like you don't.  But do you have any proof that raoxsle is lying?   ::)  Nope..didn't think you did.  

And to say Latigo is his source.....I never knew you studied comedy.  Is that your occupation because that is one funny ass comment. :hihi:

Well this has to be the best rumor I've seen of the late.

It's either two things.

1) It's legit.

2) RA got tired of being called a liar and upped the ante by telling the biggest and baddest lies he could.

You decide.

The guy has said twice (that I remember) to ban him if the stuff he says doesn't come true. At least he's trying to stand behind his words. Or...he's a lyin' dog and now knows how long his shelf life is after telling the big whopper(s).... :hihi:

I'm not talking about other posts where people are being rude to him. I am talking about this particular post where you commented. Someone asked for proof and you claim they were being rude.


You remember me from the Latigo chat? What was my name then? .I was not even participating in anything GNR related  on the net at the time it started. I didn't find this site until Axl no showed Philly. I definitely never fell for Latigo because I have a logical brain that works. Please post the logs because it's not true  Anyway, I fail to see what that has to do with anything.

I merely mentioned his name to illustrate that we have no idea where this guy got his info from. He could have gotten it from someone on the net pretending to be Axl. That was my point.


It's great that he is a nice guy but that doesn't mean he isn't a liar. The best liars are nice people because they fool you by gaining your trust.


No, I can't prove he is lying and I never claimed that I could. That's why I am choosing to be skeptical and treat him like every other person who posts rumors because he is no different and doesn't deserve special treatment just because you happen to like what he has to say. Like I said, if he is right in the end I will be more than happy to admit it and apologize to him but until then I am remaining skeptical.

There are  people post here who are actually connected to the band to a degree (Mysteron, Aunt Ger) and not one of them seems to know detailed information as raoxsle claims to know. If they do know they aren't sharing it because they respect Axl's wishes. So what makes you think this guy knows more than these people? If he is legit then why can't he give us proof? Why can't he share exactly how he is connected to Axl?

No, I can't prove he is lying and I never claimed that I could. That's why I am choosing to be skeptical and treat him like every other person who posts rumors because he is no different and doesn't deserve special treatment just because you happen to like what he has to say. Like I said, if he is right in the end I will be more than happy to admit it and apologize to him but until then I am remaining skeptical.

There are  people post here who are actually connected to the band to a degree (Mysteron, Aunt Ger) and not one of them seems to know detailed information as raoxsle claims to know. If they do know they aren't sharing it because they respect Axl's wishes. So what makes you think this guy knows more than these people? If he is legit then why can't he give us proof? Why can't he share exactly how he is connected to Axl?




I guess that is what precisely separates myself from you because I know he is legit : ok:

Do you have any proof that he is?


BTW I'd really like to see those logs.

I think this is the first catfight I've seen on this board! Holy smokes.... :o

Let's just see what happens. It's right around the corner. We'll know soon enough. It's not like he's saying something will drop 6 months from now and then disapears in a couple of weeks.

I guess that is what precisely separates myself from you because I know he is legit : ok:



Do you have any proof that he is?  

Um....yeah I do.


BTW I'd really like to see those logs.  
Okay. : ok:

Care on sharing that proof?

With you?  No because you are far too negative for my tastes and you'd still find fault with what I'd share so keep on guessing.

I in the meantime, will rest comfortably :D

Meaning you don't have shit.

BTW I meant sharing it with the board since you publically stated you know this guy is real and have the proof he is.

Man, I'm sick of these "I have info and I have proof, but I'm not telling!" posts.

I mean, hello... WE ARE ALL GUNS FANS HERE!!!
We are all starved for information, so why not share????
Why hide it from us??? What good does it do???

It's like others have said, the only real reason to not give evidence of your claims is because you don't have any.

Too many bullshit posts have been made for me and many others to be optimistic about any so called "insider" information to be posted here.
Hell, it seems that even the band members themesleves are clueless when it comes to release dates etc.

what kind of song will be?

any info on it?

What the fuck are you talking about??  I don't have any other fucking names and I certainly don't PM anyone on this board with anything.  Have Jarmo check my IPs if you son't believe me.  

You're a liar and when you got confronted with your bullshit by someone who doesn't believe a word you say, you decided to get defensive turn it around and makeup a bullshit story about me.  That is a sure sign that you're full of shit.  Pretty pathetic.  Stick to making up stories bitch and stfu.

/Tulip

WTF? Is this a joke or I have missed something?  ??? Ancient Greece? Ides of March is not from the ancient Greek history, but the Roman Empire. Iulius Caesar was killed on that day, and Ides of March = March 15th.
This is the date for the 1848 Hungarian revolution, too, but I doubt Axl knows anything about it.

Look...This whole situation reminds me of the theorem the Bush administration is using to justify the chaos in Iraq.  That being: "The absence of evidence does not indicate evidence of absence."  This is obviously circular logic and rhetoric meant to deflect any doubts of credibility because at this juncture, this person can't exactly prove themselves legit any futher without putting their position in jeopardy. At the same time, none of us can exactly "prove" that this person is fabricating anything because the stated time frame has not yet come to pass.
  Everyone here is simpathetic to one another and we all know that we have layer upon layer of thick skin from all the times we've been unfairly whipped into a frenzy.  However, you guys realize that 90% of the times we've been revved up, it's been OUR doing.  We're all masochists here or we wouldn't be GNR fans.  Let this person say what they will, be grateful that a conversation of interest was brought to the table in this quiet period, and move on.  Don't clog Jarmo's site with intense bickering, it's just not necessary.  Say your piece and allow time to progress.  Obviously, if the poster is someone of importance, they gain nothing or lose nothing by providing this.  Those who speak with him do so not only because of who he claims to be, but because they think he's cool and enjoy his conversation.  If none of this comes true, those same folks will continue to speak with him anyhow.  The remainder of us will never hear from this person again, so just let him be.  If it happens, he'll be a hero.  If not, he'll disappear into the countryside and 3 months later, another poster will come on with info, and again, we'll eat it up by posting 9 pages questioning their cred because let's face it, we're ALL desperate.  There's no way to verify anything right now....carry on.
Cheers,
Joe

Hey raoaxsle, this is pretty cool shit dude. :yes: : ok:

I hope it's bang on the money man. :peace: :beer: :smoking:

If it isn't, oh well. [headbanger]

This isn't an insult dude but, you're not very bright are you??? ??? ??? ??? :P


If a person was to actually have a "source", do you think they'd still have a "source" afterwards, if they revealed who their "source" was???????????

If I was a "source" and I was revealed, I wouldn't be a "source" any longer because I'd know that my "info leaker" couldn't be trusted.

My job where I was getting all my info from, to supply as a "source" would more than likely be gone and I wouldn't have any more info after that, to give out to my "info-leaker(s)" now then would I???.

[headscratch]

As far as the band members go, I think they all know what's going on and they're just playing dumb and adding to the mystique and suspense of this whole project.

Under orders to do so from Uncle Axl his-self. :yes: : ok: :peace: :beer: :smoking:

True...very true.


If someone told me something in confidence, I wouldn't share it with anyone unless the person said it was okay to.  And with that, I'd probably tell Jarmo since it's his board and Jarmo is one you can trust. : ok:

There is not a Guns n'roses song called "The Chain"

Sorry  :peace:

Oh we have a real mystery on our hands now! Which one is telling the truth???

Mysteron has conducted him self in a respectable manner therefore my money's with his version.

No mystery. I just asked management

I can forward my email to Jarmo if you wish, or you can just simply ask yourself

*Claps his hands together with glee*

GNR's management? I would very much like to see that email.

Oh dear Raoxsle......

would be cool if you could forward this email to jarmo!! :o


...btw: did you receive my PM?s!?? i am waiting for an answer...... ;)

What a shock!  Raoxsle is a fraud??  I'm just astonished.   ::)

If a guy names Axl Rose as his source, chances are he may be lying.  I hope all of you that said "Thanks Raoxsle for the info" think about these stupid rumors before you jump on board and start thanking these idiots for there info.  I'm sick of being lied to by morons.

/Tulip

I have forwarded the email to Jarmo

cool!  :peace:



*waiting for jarmo*  ::) ;)

This is good news...but lets not celebrate too much untill we have confirmation from Jarmo.

Well, I?ll love to hear something about it:

MADISON, from MYGNR spoke to Axl some time ago in a backstage and he said to her the name of the FIRST SINGLE, of course the name could be changed, but I think its could be cool if MYSTERON ( that have contact to axl?s manager ) have a little conversation with her about this "first single name", if the song was caled  ***** and changed with time, etc ...
She said that can?t tell the song?s name couse it could be face like another rumor, so she is waitng some "real source" to confirm the title to say something...

what do you think?

and about roaxsle, I wanna believe what he said, but now is:
Roaxsle           x           Mysteron
                       or
        Axl           x           Axl?s manager

 :rofl:

I agree.  But he did state that his source was Axl Rose himself.  That is pretty much all the confirmation I need.  :\

I know I've been edgy lately, but I just have this feeling in my stomach that we will have no news or anything by May 30, 2004 and that we will be just as much in the dark  then as we are now.  On top of that, wehave people claiming they know information, or they know marketing strategies or they have GNR booked in Texas.  This is getting me pissed.

/Tulip

The easiest thing to do is to not believe anyone, and wait for some official news  :peace:

In response to InsupportofAxl's post, it's really not cool to degrade someone and to insult their intelligence on the board.  If you have an issue with someone, take it up through PM.  Regarding Raoxsle's job safety after leaking said info; Whether he reveals his sources or not, do you honestly believe that anyone that was in any way associated with GNR's camp would still have a secure position after they leaked even half of what Raoxsle has said, especially when you consider that the band members themselves can't even discuss these topics publicly?

Joe

raoxsle: You got some 'splainin to do, Lucy.

Mysteron: As always, you bring a glimmer of hope in the proverbial sea of chaos.

TyRod: Don't stress too much - it really looks like things are rolling right along for some official news in the next few weeks.. and check your PMs!

-darknemus

This is definately my approach and has been for a very long time.  The only flaw with this is the lack of any official news (or even the utterance of a word) from Axl in over 14 months.  This void of inforamtion makes some people want to believe rumors so bad that its clouds their ability to reason and their judgement.

But for what it's worth, your advice is dead on...don't believe a thing unless it comes up on gnronline or you hear it in a press release from the record company or an interview with Axl himself (which, of course, statements made by Axl in an interview might not have much validity either).

/Tulip

Also, remember Axl has a long list of things that the interviewer is not allowed to ask.

Do any of us really want to read an interview with him where he says the same ol' live your life, finishing touches stuff, etc.?

I got the e-mail Mysteron mentioned.

Seems like management thinks this guy is full of shit.


Also, don't you think somebody leaking all that information would get into some kind of trouble if he/she was involved with the band?




/jarmo

YES, you?re right about this, but we have a person that spoke and got some new from axl and we got other person that talk to axl?s menager anytime he wants, don?t you think we can get some REAL info if this two people just talk for 1 minute?

All the people that matter are saying 'very soon'

Just be patient for a little bit longer  :peace:

It's official... Darknemus has the WORST judge of character of anyone I've ever known  :hihi:

If you look back at a thread, he said a single was never played on the Trunk show when GNR management confirmed it.

why don't you Jarmo or Mysteron put the E-mail to our sight also.

It's an inside joke that no one would get.

To protect myself and my sources

If the wording is printed and the wrong person reads it, it then reveals who I am, or who my sources are

fair enough.

[younggunner quote]

Raoaxsle has put himself out there to either be pummled when this doesnt happen or be the 1st gnr insider any gnr message board has ever had. HTgTHt will be the first site to ever have a credible insider roam the boards.

*********


Dare to dream.

But in Roman times the expression "Ides of March" did not necessarily evoke a dark mood?it was simply the standard way of saying "March 15."

I think what's interesting is that this thread (to my knowledge) is the first where Mysterion has desputed what  Raoxsle has posted.  Could this mean that Rao wasn't to far off the mark?

Wishful thinking, I know...

Who knows, maybe he's not too far off the mark   :hihi:

I'm not here to dispute everything everyone says. I like the chatter, the rumors and the discussion. It's fun  :D

es, you are right, but the expression today is famous because of the murder. But one can never know, if there is a an existing song with the name, and what the theme is. Like Riyadh and the bedouins - the words do not make sens to me.
Or Axl wants to release it as the first single on March 15?  :rofl:

Or Axl is planning "something" for a March 15 release (i.e., press conference, press release, gnronline update, new single, etc., etc., etc.).

AA.

Ancient ROME!!  :hihi:

It was a period of the year.. Julius Caesar was murdered during those days!

There you have it folks...

Ancient Greece was a funny answer though...

I'm numb to insiders now. Any info, true or false isn't going to make CD come out any faster.

Thanks for clearing this up, Mysteron.

insupportofaxl, I am still waiting for those logs.  ::)

GirlGunner, I'm afraid you'll be waiting for a while.  I've been in the chatroom for pretty much 14 months solid or so now and I've never seen you there.  Therefore, I can vouch for the fact that I believe insupportofaxl is mistaken.

-darknemus

Thank you, darknemus, for vouching for me.  :)

I think its great that thier hasn't been a word out I mean that is what makes this good b/c no one knows.Axl is doing a good job of that : ok:

Like I said, it was an inside joke that no one on this board is on the inside of... I'll explain it though. See, I'm with a comedy group called The Stupid Show that makes various types of comedy shorts (for eventual compilation on a DVD). One time we were out with one of our guys and he was dressed as Caesar. He kept saying "I AM CAESAR! THE GREEK GOD!" to get people to correct him. Only one person corrected him.

Just to establish the fact that I actually know something. ;D

 :hihi:im very pissed off that i missed this huge news day! damn! so now i get to weigh in at the end

rao is very convincing, i mean why would he just start spitting lies all of a sudden?

why are we so fuckin happy that rao is a fraud if he is?

shouldnt we had hoped he was legit cause if he were that would mean c.d. is coming

its almost like proving he is fake is better than gettin the cd which is strange to me

lets just hope something happens soon! i agree with whoever said i hate that fuckin word soon! lol!


lol@slcpunk! first catfight statement! lmmfao! :hihi:

Well I don't know what to say.

You see, a source disproved the rumor.

I took Axls advice and got on with my life and just revisit this site occasionally to peruse any new info.... and guess what we are still where we were 14 months ago....could turn into 14 years at this rate!!  As far as I can see no official band/axl announcement has been made since the the msg show. The countless true sources/rumours etc about cd and tours have come to nil, yes we have a rumour about Lisbon but no concrete evidence...please correct me if there is 'official' word, no not promotoesr who want to sell tickets. In Europe previously we had a cancelled tour which axl alleged he never knew about so I'm not optimistic. The longer the silence drags on the more ordinary folk, even fans, are going to give up and move on. So either it is all over, we are all fooling ourselves or the greatest comeback ever is on its way. nb Im a big fan, was at Leeds and MSG, but I think now it really needs an official axl backed pr statement or its already over. Any views??

if the summer has past and we have no updates, yeah im gonna start becoming a little worried, but ill be optimistic this year just like i was last year

hell it has to come out some time doesnt it?

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?board=2;action=display;threadid=10087

I think we just had this dicussion :)

(again)

raoxsle is really..... Paul Huge!

Why have you come to that conclusion?

Hey guys.
I rarely post but i have read this site since around when it was started and
i've been watching this raoxsle guys posts for a while. He seemed quite believable.

But i think the joke is up.
Check his profile. We've been duped.

i'm annoyed for about three minutes because that's all he's worth.

Well, for those of you who did nothing but tell people not to rip down raoxsle, go ahead and look at his profile, you'll see he's left his thanks to you for your support.

I don't think a person who really gets any information from Axl would spread it on message boards because Axl and/ or the band would surely not like that. If they don't say anything, it's because they don't have anything to say right now to their fans. It will come, we just have to be patient. If they don't have anything official to say, I don't think they would give all that info to someone who would potentially post that on a forum.

As for Mysteron, he has been pretty smart from the beginning, he never gave up too much information and as far as I know he has never been proven wrong. I personnally like people who just say what they can say without overreacting or inventing stuff from what they might have heard.

As for the rest, I guess it's up to everyone on the board to decide what they want to believe. Mysteron has always said we should not trust anything we read/ hear and just wait for an official announcement. I know it's stressful for some of us sometimes but that's all we can do for now.

From Raoxsles profile...

Signature:
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

 : ok:

Damn you, Booker! You just took the words out of my mouth. Except I was going to quote where she claims to know he is legit.  :hihi:

did u guys see rao's personal quote it reads
" you can call me..the joker"...so i think its pretty official that the fucker was lying :rant: :rant:
(http://www.newgnr.com/bbs/images/smiles/icon_shoot.gif) raoxsle

Well is he banned yet? Or did he loose his nuts? Which one?

He was a lyin' ass dog the whole time!

lets wait until march ::)

Quote from insupportofaxl

I guess that is what precisely separates myself from you because I know he is legit



Do you have any proof that he is?  

Um....yeah I do.


BTW I'd really like to see those logs.  
Okay.  





Oh deary ,deary me.
Seems that when RAO was found to be full o shit that he took one particular sycophant with him.

As Rao says
hahahahahahahahaha

GNR fans are cynical about the band for VERY, VERY good reasons. If some of us are negative at times...let it go, cos negativity has more credebility with this band than your idol worship mentality. They are a rock band.....period. Stop being so damn vacuous. Axl is just a guy, nothing more.
Oh and the word is LIKE....pretty easy.

OK I feel better now........go girlgunner    rahhhhh

P.S ....I hope GNR do release it soon and its great and you love it, but till then chill on the defending axl's honour bit, cos he's a big boy and dont need it from you ok.

Yes.

And this thread isn't about how that guy fooled some people and how stupid they are. Just a reminder.



/jarmo

Out with Raoxsle and all sycophants who "knew" he was legit.   8)

Let this be a lesson to all potential bullshitters out there.

oops , Im still figurin gout how to post quotes..


heres my last post


Agreed.

But to ban a guy for lying to us about his inside knowledge , and then having ISOA claiming to have PROOF of this individuals legitimacy is treading a fine line dont you think??  A warning should have been given. I think we are all sick and tired of liars on this board, and Im also sure that ISOA smug claim to have proof then not give it actually suckered in a number of people. This is simply wrong, and not acceptable.

People come here cos they are GNR fans and would love to hear a new record, not be be conned by someone who is so desperate to win an argument that they fabricate things, post it and leave people dissapointed when those posts turn out to be an ego driven bogus claim.

Yes one of these people was mailcious the other simply emotionally delusional, but the principle remains.

Anyway as I said in a thread i started the other day I hope we can discuss some less vacuous topics here.  I think Ides of march title lends itself well.

Despite Raoxle being a fraud, I still think that we will here something before Libson.  I wonder if is Raoxle is Danny??  It seems like something he would do :rant:

Its not rocket science. IF gnr is going to release the album before Rio we will be getting all the info anytime from now till mid march at the latest. If the days pass after that, then lets see what they say at rio.

im just glad he was found out b4 rock in rio 4 that way if something doesnt happen axl want get the blame like he would have if rao hadnt been disproven

im not getting my hopes up to high on anything

like ive said a hundred times axl could have a press conference tomorrow and give a release date and i still wouldnt believe 100 percent that the cd will come out, cause as we all know dont count y our eggs b4 they hatch, with axl anything is possible

What I have learnt from this so many years since the early days of this board (Babyaxl,Gnrfan etc. days) is not to believe the fuckers who spread rumors, bla bla bla.

When gnr make an official statement or axl speaks that's smth to believe. Actually Axl could say "european tour? what, I dont know that" we all know that. Even Axl is not a reliable source maybe ::)

I think you all can see what gnr "did-does-will do" in that point of view.  : ok:

Time will reveal all...I think I'm deceiving myself by giving the album until september-october, but we'll see...I have a hunch we'll hear something around march-april, I just hope it's not a GH press release :nervous:
Joe

mysteron said we would ger something in a few weeks ;)

Did anyone notice that RAO has a new screenname The Joker?  :rant:

He was an attention seeker who wanted to feel important. He's the first insider who wanted people to PM him. Even when he slipped up and said IRS was never played on the Trunk show, when GNR management said it was, people still believed him. It's no ones fault that believed him, its the fact that some people vouched for him, saying they knew he was legit, or alluding that THEY knew he was in the know. That's the difference between this cat and the other "insiders". I don't understand anyone vouching for him at all...

when he said that?
and " a few weeks" can be 6/7 weeks... and I think that this "news" should be some annoucement about Rock in rio 4 from the band... so, could be nothing.

fuck its been a few weeks for about a month now, how many weeks are a few? is a few weeks lifetime for eternity?

Yes, and with all due respect why can't Mysteron say "xx weeks"?

couse if he say, he?ll die!
that?s what I heard...

and guess what?!
I HEARD IY FROM AXL HIMSELF !!! WOOWWWW  :drool:

I as, ah, joking...

The thread, I believe, was titled something like "It's almost February and no News" or something like that.  

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?board=2;action=display;threadid=9912

Because that kind of information/level of detail, is almost impossible to get hold of

so what can u tell now?

Nothing new

i?ve read all of rao?s posts and i have to say that he is not the average poster... alot of it was reallly interesting..

what if he took it too far, lets say, to many sent him pm?s and too many believed him and such... i?m sure axl wouldn?t want to be known as a message board dude.. he was to obvious and not mesterious like mysteron.. what if he wanted to be banned and that he wanted us to believe he was a froud in the end...

i guess i just have to be more critical when i read this board.. rao had me going tho.. the beaten path and all that shit..  :P

fuck me

Well back on topic....lets see a show of hand of the board members that actually think CD will be out before RIR4.  I started this thread over a week ago now, and at the time many people said to wait till mid-March.  Well, is there really a need to wait till mid-March?  I'd really like to know who here still has faith that CD will be out before RIR4.

/Tulip

The only time I ever had faith that CD was actually coming out at a certain time was when there was a new album listed for Nov. 25th release on Amazon.com.

Right now, I still think it's possible it'll be out before RIR4.  I am actually giving it until the beginning of May for an announcement before I entirely rule it out, but after the beginning of April or so, I'd think it'd be highly unlikely.

If it was coming out May 24th, for example, it seems completely feasible that we wouldn't hear an announcement until the beginning of April.  I mean, this is Chinese Democracy after all, it's not going to be a normal release.  Of course, there are certain things they will and need to do for marketing, and there has to be an announcement a little while before the album comes out, but I wouldn't base my expectations of how the album release will work on other albums.  I think the best comparison would be the UYI's release, which, from what I've heard and read, wasn't very standard either.

Regardless, we'll get some news by RIR4, even if the news is that the band isn't going to appear.  Something, which is better than nothing.

Honestly, this is the first time I have absolutely no idea what is going on. But if Axl really sues his label it looks worse than ever...

I'll wait for RIR.


/lastroots

I agree, I think that this might turn into a big ugly battle if it happens.  Lets say that Axl sues them and wins, so no greatest hits are released.  Then Axl, feeling good about his win decides to jump ship to a new label because of what they did to him.  Then we start over again with the waiting game.  That would be really bad.   :rofl:

Ok..here we are again.  When I started this thread in early february, there were many posts about "wait till mid-March" because we would surely know by then when CD would be out.  And if we don't know by then then it will never come out.

Just pick any of the previous pages on this thread and you will likely find 2 or 3 posters state that if we don't hear anything by mid-march then they would begin to worry or they would be sure that CD won't be out by RIR4.

Well here we are folks, March 10, 2004.  And we haven't heard a single word (NOT ONE WORD) from Axl Rose since 12/5/2002.  That is just incredibly hard to believe.  We actually don't know of one word that he has uttered since that date.  We visit here each day and it may seem like there is stuff going on from time to time, but the fact is that Axl hasn't utter a word to his fans or about CD or even about RIR4 since 12/5/02.

There is now absolutely no chance of CD coming out before RIR4 or near the VR release date.  There is probably a good chance that an album, per se, doesn't even exist in the form of an album.  If it does, then it most likely hasn't been given to the record company yet.

I have been visiting this board over the last month (as I have been over the last 3 or 4 years) and haven't bothered to post too much, but it seems that the majority of people here are willing to "wait till RIR4" because we will surely have word by then of Axl's plans.

I fail to see what connection GH has with release date of CD, and the only reason for no word from Axl on RIR4 is because he's not sure he is going to be there.  If I were in that area I wouldn't bother buying tickets to see GNR unless there are other bands there that you would like to see.  It is very possible (hell some would say likely) that GNR won't be there.

/Tulip

Personally, I thought that for it to come out before RIR4, we'd need to hear something by the end of March.

With the greatest hits and all, I can't see that happening. However, from what Mysteron said, I expect some news by the end of April latest hopefully.

@#$%Muther

TYROD, well, can't say I disagree with you except for the fact I believe there is an album....may or may not ever be released. Gnronline says all you need to hear-"NO NEWS FOUND".

what about now?!? :p

I think we'll hear something this month.

i hope you're right, any news will be exciting about now



rock n' roll

I'm just catching up on what went down in this thread, but this infamous quote caught my eye.....

At this point who on this board would even take Axl himself seriously if he posted here?
Obviously the man has some serious demons in that gifted head of his. Does anyone really believe that Axl even has a real concept of time?  I would rather hear from a record exec.  or a lawyer as to the status of CD right now, rather than him.  Don't get me wrong, Axl is a musical genious and all, but in his paranoid head this album will never silence all his questioning deamons.  Axl is a cool guy who all of us would like to chill with, but the man is horribly unstable.  I would like to see one of his "handlers" slip a ruffie in his drink, swipe all his musical material, and hand it off to the record company.  Hell, in the morning tell him a little fiery floated away with his art so it could be placed alongside all the greatest musical works of the universe.  Tell ol' uncle Axl that the fiery will return on the fourth full moon of every second year from now forth.  I bet the genious will start flowing out of his weaved up dome like a sift after that.  

 

No way in hell is it coming out before RIR4. For God's sake its the 11th of march and not a whisper, no updated site, no half credible rumour, no inkling of a possibility, nothing.
I have long since given up hope on Chinese Democracy partly due to advice from Mr Rose himself, he said "live your life" or words to that effect and thats just what I'm doing. I check these boards occasionally but my interest in CD has diminished signifcantly.
I dont think anyone knows when CD is coming out, perhaps even Axl himself, who knows anything.
The only certain fact is that we now know not much, if anything at all, more than we knew say in 99/00, that is the most damming fact of all.

well, gnronline is updated and that has got to count for something  :hihi:

i doubht we'll hear anything about cd before rir4, but who knows??? i do think that we'll hear something at the gig tho...

 :peace:

Agreed.  I can't believe people still think this album is coming anytime soon, if ever.  My guess is these people haven't been around the GNR community that long.  

I've only followed this site for a year and a half--a relatively short time compared to some.  Despite what Dizzy's wife, Dizzy himself, members of the band, or Mysteron says (who would all have you believe CD is near), I don't feel like anything has changed in a year and a half.  Aside from the tour (where no new songs were played), nothing has happened.  Zero.

From a personal point of view - I feel that the release of GH indicates that CD may very well be released 'sometime soon'.
It seems to me that the record company are making moves to remind the casual music buyer and ex-fans just how good the band was which will generate interest in a new CD! (OK the track selection isn't as good as it should be but the label are always going to compile a tracklist with songs people regonise from the radio/TV etc. rather than putting songs on it that Mr. Joe Public won't instantly recall)

If Axls goes along with this promotional  idea is another matter but from a corporate point of view it makes good buisness sense and that is exactly what a record company is...a buisness!

Anyway that's my take on the situation

Sun King

People who have hung around these boards the longest can see that there is an album, and this is the closest we've come to thinking it's finished. There's nothing incredible about people thinking it's coming soon.

@#$%Muther

I'm starting to believe this thread more and more.  Are they ever going to promote Chinese Democracy at all?  Is this something Axl's doing for fun?  I mean Geffen/Axl needs to get there act together and start getting the show on the road!

Muther, I've been posting on this board pretty frequently, riding the runaway train that is GNR.  I've seen rumours of all types and levels of validity, and I support this album as much as anyone on here, but I can't help but feeling that despite every post, every glimmer of hope, and every inside source, there is nothing to indicate that the album is any closer now than in months and years past.  Yes, theoretically time has moved forward, so one would assume that THE ALBUM MUST be closer, but really, what evidence is there?
       Of course, I'm not questioning the credibilty of Dizzy, or Aunt Ger, or Dizzy's wife, or even, for that matter Mysteron.  But the fact remains that even if the album is "done", things in the business change in an instant, over the course of a phonecall.  All of these people may have valid info at certain points, but it is only a fraction of the real puzzle..When you combine the mechanics of the industry with an individual who is crippled by paranoia, self-doubt and control issues, thats a very combustible elixir right there.
         It's become painfully obvious that Axl refuses to let this child go and committ anything to stone.  Aside from that, any legal issues that could arise from the release of this farce of a greatest hits between Axl and Universal threaten to drag this soap opera on even further.  Everyone, myself included, is viewing RIR as some sort of Judgment Day, the literal second coming of our collective savior.  Whether or not GNR is confirmed, there is a great possibility that they will no show...Even if they do, there may be no indication outside of a few empty words that CD is "on the way."  Don't get me wrong, I'm pulling for this thing beyond words, but the logical perspective, I fear, sees the members slowly walking away as the months progress....How I hope I am wrong....Thanks for reading.
Joe

why would they promote an album that dosnt exist ?

what the hell does that mean?  dumb....

Kurt: What's gonna happen now? Is Chinese Democracy going to come out? Are we gonna see it soon?

Axl: Umm you'll see it, I dont know if soon is the word. But it will come out and we will, we'll go back, we'll do some more recording and then we'll start the American leg of the tour... And see how it goes from there.............


Well, we all know the outcome.  The tour was canceled.  Now there are reports BucketHead is out of GNR.  I do not think that was the initial part of the whole "big guns" that Axl had in mind.  He tried and it did not work out like he had planned.  I can not fault the guy for trying to glue back together the greatest rock n' roll band.  Unfortunately, I believe that if GNR do play RIO, it will be the last performance ever so those of you who are lucky enough to actually be there you should savor the moment.  And those of us who will be looking for payperview shows of RIO or bootlegs will either set the VCR or create a special file on our hard drive entitled "last performance". :crying: